Are conservatives smarter than liberals?

[Unkotare]

Do you really think a thread about intelligence is one you are equipped to post on?

Do you?

 

[peach174]

Conservatives give just as much to charities as Liberals do.
They do not hate the poor
We pay into those programs for years before we receive them.

Oh, so terms like 'moochers' is meant to be endearing...

I myself would never use that word.
People that can work for a living but take government assistance programs.
Why should they when the can get more in assistance than working in a low paying job?
Would most work at a job that pays 12,000.00 a year or get government assistance that pays 32,000.00 a year?

We found who the 47% Romney trashed really are...

America's safety net is below almost every other industrialized country in every measure. America more closely resembles the likes of Mexico than a modern First World industrialized nation.

We heard the ignorant rant of Mitt Romney and his 47%...

If there is a citizenry on this planet that does NOT have an entitlement mentality, it is the American people. American workers receive less benefits, paid leave, health care and take less vacation time than any other people. American workers take pride in the quality of their work and their work ethic.

What Romney said is a gross insult and reveals a dangerous mindset. He reeks of contempt for middle class working people and the poor.

Who are the 47%?

Federal budget and Census data show that, in 2010, 91 percent of the benefit dollars from entitlement and other mandatory programs went to the elderly (people 65 and over), the seriously disabled, and members of working households. People who are neither elderly nor disabled — and do not live in a working household — received only 9 percent of the benefits.

Moreover, the vast bulk of that 9 percent goes for medical care, unemployment insurance benefits (which individuals must have a significant work history to receive), Social Security survivor benefits for the children and spouses of deceased workers, and Social Security benefits for retirees between ages 62 and 64. Seven out of the 9 percentage points go for one of these four purposes.

80 percent of the workforce has seen their wages decline in real terms over the last quarter-century, and the average household has seen 40 percent of its wealth disappear during the Great Recession. Through it all, families never asked for a handout from anyone, especially Washington. They were left to go on their own, working harder, squeezing nickels, and taking care of themselves. But their economic boats have been taking on water for years, and now the crisis has swamped millions of middle class families. ref ref

"Labor is the United States. The men and women, who with their minds, their hearts and hands, create the wealth that is shared in this country—they are America."
President Dwight D. Eisenhower

Romney was talking about the 47% who do not pay taxes.
Fact-checking Romney s 47 percent comment - CBS News
The Quote "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
True or false? Much of Romney's statement relies on assumptions about one demographic: The 47 percent of Americans who he says "pay no income tax." So is it true that 47 percent of Americans don't pay income tax? Essentially, yes, according to the the Tax Policy Center, which provides data showing that in 2011, 46.4 percent of American households paid no federal income tax.
There is where he messed up by not saying federal income tax.

WOW. talk about blind ignorance...

You IGNORE this?

"who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them"

Truth is not a friend to some people, it seems to be an insult.
Many Americans have come to view government as the solution to their problems rather than the cause of them. The principles of limited government by our Founders, to an ever larger government is a dangerously misguided trend that promotes an entitlement mentality in a country that has long been known for its positive work ethic. The entitlement mentality, in turn, encourages the growth of government and the cycle continues, creating a downward spiral toward disaster.
After decades of prosperity, America’s economy is being undermined by a rapidly mutating government that devours initiative, drive, innovation, and the capital needed to seed an economic recovery. Too many Americans have bought into the increasingly discredited philosophy of the left that the government is the answer to all problems.
Some government does help but not all. There needs to be a delicate balance between the two.

 

[ricechickie]

Roadrunner, Katzngoz, Kosh, Stephanie -

Posting statements assuring us how intelligent you all are and how stupid everyone else is would seem to go a long way towards establishing my point.

Beyond vague insults and claims to startling insight and intelligence - do any of you ever actually have anything of substance to say?

Do you not think that maybe posting intelligent comments might provide better evidence of actual intelligence?

Let's see.

I have two BA's and a Masters from the University of Texas at Austin, score 98th percentile on the NTE when I took it, taught successfully for 25 years, and retired at 55.

That convinces me I am smarter than the average Dem.

Do you think you're smarter than the average Republican?

 

[Redfish]

do a google search on the defective liberal gene. its been identified as DRD4. Its not really stupidity, its a mental disease.

And the four grammatical errors in your two sentences are clearly an indicator of greater intelligence, rig

do a google search on the defective liberal gene. its been identified as DRD4. Its not really stupidity, its a mental disease.

And the four grammatical errors in your two sentences are clearly an indicator of greater intelligence, right?

punctuation and grammar are two different things, my grammar is fine, my punctuation is off by not capitalizing letters and not using apostrophes. but nice dodge attempt.

have you googled the defective liberal gene (DRD4)? its real, check it out. Maybe someday medical science will find a cure.

 

[peach174]

Do you really think a thread about intelligence is one you are equipped to post on?

Do you?

 

[Saigon]

Redfish -

I did google search that, and was redirected to the site of a home for the Criminally Insane, with a list of current inmates including yourself and Dick Cheney.

 

[ricechickie]

Study Connects Low IQ with Conservatives

Study Connects Low IQ with Conservatives

Liberal stupidity is connected with support of obama and obamacare
That is a proven fact. Just ask the creator of obamacare.

Kind of true. After all, "Obamacare" was based on a conservative plan to reform healthcare, in lieu of going all out for the better plan of universal single payer healthcare.

But we had to compromise.

 

[zeke]

Roadrunner, Katzngoz, Kosh, Stephanie -

Posting statements assuring us how intelligent you all are and how stupid everyone else is would seem to go a long way towards establishing my point.

Beyond vague insults and claims to startling insight and intelligence - do any of you ever actually have anything of substance to say?

Do you not think that maybe posting intelligent comments might provide better evidence of actual intelligence?

Let's see.

I have two BA's and a Masters from the University of Texas at Austin, score 98th percentile on the NTE when I took it, taught successfully for 25 years, and retired at 55.

That convinces me I am smarter than the average Dem.

Do you think you're smarter than the average Republican?[/QUOTE]




I know you aren't asking me.....but.......if what I read on here is fair representation of the "average Republican" then I know I sure as hell am (smarter than the average Republican)! For sure.

But that ain't sayin' much. LMAO.
And I'm not even a Democrat.

 

[Rocko]

OP is a straw-man. Both sides claim intellectual superiority all the time.

 

[peach174]

Study Connects Low IQ with Conservatives

Study Connects Low IQ with Conservatives

Liberal stupidity is connected with support of obama and obamacare
That is a proven fact. Just ask the creator of obamacare.

Kind of true. After all, "Obamacare" was based on a conservative plan to reform healthcare, in lieu of going all out for the better plan of universal single payer healthcare.

But we had to compromise.

We had to compromise because there was Dems who were also against a universal single payer.
RomneyCare - The Truth about Massachusetts Health Care Mitt Romney Central

It is often asserted that RomneyCare is the same thing as ObamaCare, but this is simply not true. It is important to note that Massachusetts, the state where Romneycare was founded, opposed Obamacare. In fact, Massachusetts opposed Obamacare so much that they elected Senator Scott Brown (R) in 2010 to be the deciding vote against Obamacare after Senator Ted Kennedy’s death. Why would the state where Romneycare was founded be opposed to Obamacare if the two laws were really the same? The answer is, of course, that they are not the same. While there are similarities between the two laws, there are also key differences. Below is a table of differences between the Romney plan and the Obama plan.

RomneyCare	ObamaCare
Overall Size and Scope	-Whole bill was 70 pages -Romney vetoed significant sections of the bill including the employer penalty for not providing health insurance -Romney favored an “opt out” provision from the mandate -Romney favored no mandated benefits for health care coverage, catastrophic only -No federal gov. insurance option -Intended as a market driven solution to healthcare	-Whole bill was 2,074 pages -Very broad regulation of the insurance industry including an employer penalty for not providing health insurance and no “opt out” provision -Establishes a 15 member board of unelected bureaucrats with great control over health care benefits and risks rationing health care -Leaves open the option of creating single-payer gov. insurance in the future -Intended as a step toward gov. run insurance
Costs	-No new taxes! -Romney balanced the state’s budget first, then passed healthcare law -No cuts to Medicare benefits -Modest cost to state (only added 1% to state budget)	-Increased taxes by $500 billion and taxes people who don’t buy insurance -Despite massive federal gov. debt, Obama still passed Obamacare -Cuts Medicare by $500 billion -Overall costs unknown!
Popularity	-Very strong bipartisan support -Strong special interest support -Very popular among the public in Massachusetts -Strong consensus of approval was built in the state to support the law -Consensus was built to support an individual mandate	-Absolutely no bipartisan support -Very controversial and divided special interest groups -Unpopular in nation overall -No consensus was built to support a mandate
Does Constitution Define it as a “Tax” or “Penalty/Fee”?	-Supreme Court Chief Justice Roberts ruled state mandates are “penalties” because states have different authority and powers than the fed. gov. -Mass. constitution never considered this a tax	-Supreme Court ruled that federal gov. only has the authority to enact this law by its ability “tax,” and does not meet the required standards to be considered a “penalty.” -This tax will be enforced by the IRS and breaks Obama’s promise that he would not raise taxes on the middle class
Federalism	-A state solution to a unique state problem. Much easier to change and adapt a state law. However, ObamaCare is a new federal entitlement program (like Medicare & Social Security), thus extremely difficult to reform. -Through collaboration and discussion, Massachusetts created a consensus among stake holders to support its new law.	-Federal gov. “one-size-fits-all” plan -Doesn’t take into account that each state is unique in important ways such as: 1)Vastly different debt levels between states (some states can’t afford new spending on health care) 2)Some states have three times the percentage of uninsured citizens (Much greater costs will be imposed on states with a larger percentage of uninusured citizens) 3)Conservative states will reject implementation of federal gov. plan.

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[JFK_USA]

When liberals have to LIE to trick their own base into supporting their policies, well there you have it.

1. Many weren't "tricked" in the way you think they were. Most democrats understood that taxes needed to be in the bill. But the American public hates taxes even though they like the services that the government provides. So to get the good things in the bill like pre-existing conditions covered and coverage for people all across this nation, it had to include taxes. So we knew it include taxes because that's what government programs require.

2. And what was the Republicans response to the health care debate? Oh right it was about death panels. So Republicans didn't lie? Okay....

3. Studies consistently show that Liberals are more educated than conservatives. As seen, conservatives don't have the capacity to defend their arguments in any rational way. So they insult thinking they win.

For instance, HereWeGoAgain made a policy argument that no one who doesn't pay taxes can vote. Other "stupid liberals" questioned the policy with fact situations that would arise from the policy, and we got called "stupid" or "idiots" for actual situations that would arise.

But see that's the issue with conservatives in general, they truly believe that situations are so simplistic that a simplified solution will solve the world ills. "no welfare and everyone will have jobs!" "No minimum wage and there will be more jobs!" No that's not how the world works. They don't have the intelligence to understand the complexity of the world we live in.

Now let ad hominem commence!

 

[Saigon]

It is always interesting that conservatives assume that Dems supported Obamacare because they are stupid - whereas to my mind most liberals understood the pros and cons of universal healthcare very well from the get.go, and supported the policies because they thought they were best for America.

What is ironic about this is that so many on the extreme right wing clearly did not understand the concept of universal healthcare at all - as evidenced by protesters waving banners about Dachau and fascism.

 

[Rocko]

It is always interesting that conservatives assume that Dems supported Obamacare because they are stupid - whereas to my mind most liberals understood the pros and cons of universal healthcare very well from the get.go, and supported the policies because they thought they were best for America.

What is ironic about this is that so many on the extreme right wing clearly did not understand the concept of universal healthcare at all - as evidenced by protesters waving banners about Dachau and fascism.

The people who designed Obamacare thought they could get people to support it because people are stupid. True story.

 

[Unkotare]

It is always interesting that conservatives assume that Dems supported Obamacare because they are stupid - whereas to my mind most liberals understood the pros and cons of universal healthcare very well from the get.go, and supported the policies because they thought they were best for America.....

I'm sure all manner of nonsense goes on in your 'mind' that has no connection to reality.

 

[Faun]

When liberals have to LIE to trick their own base into supporting their policies, well there you have it.

You clearly don't know what the term Liberal means and you clearly haven't visited websites of fact checkers. Last election Republicans stated, "We won't let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers" after being found full of lies just like Fox News is currently today.

Liberal = lying America hating Chinese communist loving socialist puke. Glad I could clear that up for you.

lib·er·al
ˈlib(ə)rəl/tolerant, unprejudiced, unbigoted, broad-minded, open-minded, enlightened;More
permissive, free, free and easy, easygoing, libertarian, indulgent, lenient
"the values of a liberal society"

antonyms:

narrow-minded, bigoted

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• (in a political context) favoring maximum individual liberty in political and social reform.
  "a liberal democratic state"
  

  synonyms:

  progressive, advanced, modern, forward-looking, forward-thinking, progressivist, enlightened, reformist, radical "a liberal social agenda"

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  antonyms:

  reactionary, conservative

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• of or characteristic of Liberals or a Liberal Party.
  adjective: Liberal

• (in the UK) of or relating to the Liberal Democrat Party.
  adjective: Liberal
  "the Liberal leader"

• Theology
  regarding many traditional beliefs as dispensable, invalidated by modern thought, or liable to change.

• 2.
  (of education) concerned mainly with broadening a person's general knowledge and experience, rather than with technical or professional training.
  

  synonyms:

  wide-ranging, broad-based, general

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Liberal = Pelosi lies, the Catholic church calls her out on her lie and incredibly she accuses the Catholic church of lying. lol If you like your plan if you like your doctor you can keep your plan and doctor, period. Any of this refreshing your memory?

A shortened down short list ...

• "And we gave him [Saddam Hussein] a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in. And, therefore, after a reasonable request, we decided to remove him from power." ~ George Bush

• We just heard the Prime Minister talk about the new report. I would remind you that when the inspectors first went into Iraq and were denied -- finally denied access, a report came out of the Atomic -- the IAEA that they were six months away from developing a weapon. I don't know what more evidence we need." ~ George Bush

• Clinton predicted on January 22 that it is "highly likely" that a terrorist group will attack on American soil within the next few years. He is using this risk as the excuse to create a Domestic Terrorism Team headed by a military "commander in chief," with a $2.8 billion budget. We should not underestimate the deceit and deviousness of Clinton's plans to use aggressive presidential actions to wipe out public memory of his impeachment trial." ~ Phyllis Schlafly

• "[Obama] sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China." ~ Mitt Romney

• "In spite of the wildly speculative and false stories of arms for hostages and alleged ransom payments, we did not -- repeat did not -- trade weapons or anything else for hostages nor will we." ~ Ronald Reagan

• "I’m not a crook" ~ Richard Nixon

• "Read my lips, no new taxes." ~ George H.W. Bush

 

[deltex1]

Someone must have already said this....but no matter:

Does a bear shit in the woods?

 

[LoneLaugher]

One thing is certain. Whenever USMB "conservatives" are rightfully accused of something negative.......they will proclaim that "both sides do it!!"

While often true......albeit not to the same degree....this is not an intelligent method of seeking solutions.

 

[ricechickie]

All politicians and policy-makers think that voters are, at least, lazy thinkers. That's why buzzwords like "taxes" and "entitlements" and even real out-there stuff like "death panels" work on people.

 

[Meathead]

It is always interesting that conservatives assume that Dems supported Obamacare because they are stupid - whereas to my mind most liberals understood the pros and cons of universal healthcare very well from the get.go, and supported the policies because they thought they were best for America.

What is ironic about this is that so many on the extreme right wing clearly did not understand the concept of universal healthcare at all - as evidenced by protesters waving banners about Dachau and fascism.

Don't be silly. Very,very few people understood what Obamacare was about. Liberals supported Obamacare because it was an extension of government and Conservatives opposed it for the very same reason.

It passed because the ignorance of voters and the domination of the Democrats in government at that time. It passed because its creators correctly assumed Americans would not understand it. It passed because Obama lied about being able to keep your plan.

I call absolute and unmitigated BS on that. Stop being such a low-life hack.

 

[deltex1]

I keep wondering why the voters are stupid when the voters never voted on it. The politicians did. The Libtard pols voted yes...the reps voted no...