Ark of the Covenant

[surada]

Moses may have been based on a popular romantic story about Sinhue the physician.

In Ras Shamra which was Northcoast Canaanite they have thousands of clay tablets in 5 early semitic languages. Scholars are studying them since 1928 to help more clearly translate ancient Hebrew.

When You demand to know whether Moses was literate are you thinking Moses actually wrote the Pentateusch? They weren't written until 800 years AFTER Moses.

The best answer is probably that we don't know.

 

[SweetSue92]

Moses grew up and was educated in Egypt in a quite privileged environment so the claim he was illiterate is almost certainly false.

 

[toobfreak]

Ok. Where is it? What is it? Does it still exist or did it disintegrate?

I have one just like that in my livingroom. I opened it once but all it had in it were some ashes and some spooky ghouls came out flying around making all my guests faces melt.

So I generally just leave it alone.

 

[surada]

@toofreak

In ancient times the Bedouin tribes all carried their gods from place to place in a box.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Moses grew up and was educated in Egypt in a quite privileged environment so the claim he was illiterate is almost certainly false.

But saying so relies on the same "historical" record that says 259 years after Moses was born, he left Egypt at the age of 80. And only the highest ranking officials of ancient Egypt were taught to read and write heiroglyphics, of which Moses was certainly not one.

Every time you guys try to support a "nonzero" chance of any part of this myth being true (which is light years away from supporting it as true or likely true), you make these huge leaps of faith that cherry pick from the flawed and impossible pseudohistory in the Bible. These add up to a farce on your part.

 

[surada]

You can argue that Exodus is a myth or that Moses as a prince of Egypt was illiterate.. Which is it?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You can argue that Exodus is a myth or that Moses as a prince of Egypt was illiterate.. Which is it?

Likely both. It's not an either/or proposition. We haven't even gotten to the absurdities of the Exodus myth, or of the hilariously magical idea of god poofing stone tablets into existence, or of Moses transporting hundreds of the ancient torah cuneiform stone tablets down a mountain and that weighed hundreds of pounds each.

What we find is that, as we work our way through these silly myths start to finish, we have to make huge, specious leaps of faith at nearly every turn that defy every bit of knowledge we have of the natural world and of ancient history.

So one is left to admit these myths are obviously false or that one has to employ strong faith and ignore evidence to believe them.

So a discussion based on facts and evidence is a dog and pony show.

 

[Blues Man]

He didn't have to be the burning bush read the tablets to him

 

[ding]

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Ok. Where is it? What is it? Does it still exist or did it disintegrate?

Rational answer? Never existed, neither did the ten commandment tablets. Even if the other tales of Moses and his flock were true, they were almost certainly, to a man, illiterate. Written language didn't even really exist in that area of the world, as far as we can tell. If it did, only a very few people could write or read it. So the idea that god wrote rules on stone tablets and gifted them to a group of illiterate people is absurd on its face.

They passed down history, knowledge, wisdom, laws, etc orally from generation to generation. These were not dumb people. They were heads and shoulders above their contemporaries when it came to morals and passing down information from generation to generation.

Bible Possibly Written Centuries Earlier, Text Suggests

The Bible may have been written earlier than thought, newfound ancient Hebrew writing suggests.

www.livescience.com

 

[Blues Man]

Oral history

 

[ding]

Oral history

Which is why the original meanings were lost through time. We aren't getting the dialogue that ancient man had after telling these accounts. But that doesn't mean we have to be completely idiotic in trying to extract the original meaning. That's why I find the accounts of the Bible so fascinating.

 

[surada]

You can argue that Exodus is a myth or that Moses as a prince of Egypt was illiterate.. Which is it?

Likely both. It's not an either/or proposition. We haven't even gotten to the absurdities of the Exodus myth, or of the hilariously magical idea of god poofing stone tablets into existence, or of Moses transporting hundreds of the ancient torah cuneiform stone tablets down a mountain and that weighed hundreds of pounds each.

What we find is that, as we work our way through these silly myths start to finish, we have to make huge, specious leaps of faith at nearly every turn that defy every bit of knowledge we have of the natural world and of ancient history.

So one is left to admit these myths are obviously false or that one has to employ strong faith and ignore evidence to believe them.

So a discussion based on facts and evidence is a dog and pony show.

P

Ok. Where is it? What is it? Does it still exist or did it disintegrate?

Rational answer? Never existed, neither did the ten commandment tablets. Even if the other tales of Moses and his flock were true, they were almost certainly, to a man, illiterate. Written language didn't even really exist in that area of the world, as far as we can tell. If it did, only a very few people could write or read it. So the idea that god wrote rules on stone tablets and gifted them to a group of illiterate people is absurd on its face.

They passed down history, knowledge, wisdom, laws, etc orally from generation to generation. These were not dumb people. They were heads and shoulders above their contemporaries when it came to morals and passing down information from generation to generation.

Bible Possibly Written Centuries Earlier, Text Suggests

The Bible may have been written earlier than thought, newfound ancient Hebrew writing suggests.

www.livescience.com

The Exodus is considered a myth... not history. Egypt controlled Sinai and Canaan at the time and the Israelites couldn't remember the name of the Pharaoh. But, its a great story.

 

[ding]

You can argue that Exodus is a myth or that Moses as a prince of Egypt was illiterate.. Which is it?

Likely both. It's not an either/or proposition. We haven't even gotten to the absurdities of the Exodus myth, or of the hilariously magical idea of god poofing stone tablets into existence, or of Moses transporting hundreds of the ancient torah cuneiform stone tablets down a mountain and that weighed hundreds of pounds each.

What we find is that, as we work our way through these silly myths start to finish, we have to make huge, specious leaps of faith at nearly every turn that defy every bit of knowledge we have of the natural world and of ancient history.

So one is left to admit these myths are obviously false or that one has to employ strong faith and ignore evidence to believe them.

So a discussion based on facts and evidence is a dog and pony show.

P

Ok. Where is it? What is it? Does it still exist or did it disintegrate?

Rational answer? Never existed, neither did the ten commandment tablets. Even if the other tales of Moses and his flock were true, they were almost certainly, to a man, illiterate. Written language didn't even really exist in that area of the world, as far as we can tell. If it did, only a very few people could write or read it. So the idea that god wrote rules on stone tablets and gifted them to a group of illiterate people is absurd on its face.

They passed down history, knowledge, wisdom, laws, etc orally from generation to generation. These were not dumb people. They were heads and shoulders above their contemporaries when it came to morals and passing down information from generation to generation.

Bible Possibly Written Centuries Earlier, Text Suggests

The Bible may have been written earlier than thought, newfound ancient Hebrew writing suggests.

www.livescience.com

The Exodus is considered a myth... not history. Egypt controlled Sinai and Canaan at the time and the Israelites couldn't remember the name of the Pharaoh. But, its a great story.

 

[Gracie]

So a discussion based on facts and evidence is a dog and pony show.

NOW I remember why I have you on iggie.
I took a peek tho, to see what you said to get Ding in here.
Anyway....I guess you like dog and pony shows, since you in a thread discussing stuff you think is whinney and arf? Getouttahere then. Shees.

I don't think Atlantis was real, but it sure is fascinating. To me. So..bugger off.

 

[surada]

You can argue that Exodus is a myth or that Moses as a prince of Egypt was illiterate.. Which is it?

Likely both. It's not an either/or proposition. We haven't even gotten to the absurdities of the Exodus myth, or of the hilariously magical idea of god poofing stone tablets into existence, or of Moses transporting hundreds of the ancient torah cuneiform stone tablets down a mountain and that weighed hundreds of pounds each.

What we find is that, as we work our way through these silly myths start to finish, we have to make huge, specious leaps of faith at nearly every turn that defy every bit of knowledge we have of the natural world and of ancient history.

So one is left to admit these myths are obviously false or that one has to employ strong faith and ignore evidence to believe them.

So a discussion based on facts and evidence is a dog and pony show.

P

Ok. Where is it? What is it? Does it still exist or did it disintegrate?

Rational answer? Never existed, neither did the ten commandment tablets. Even if the other tales of Moses and his flock were true, they were almost certainly, to a man, illiterate. Written language didn't even really exist in that area of the world, as far as we can tell. If it did, only a very few people could write or read it. So the idea that god wrote rules on stone tablets and gifted them to a group of illiterate people is absurd on its face.

They passed down history, knowledge, wisdom, laws, etc orally from generation to generation. These were not dumb people. They were heads and shoulders above their contemporaries when it came to morals and passing down information from generation to generation.

Bible Possibly Written Centuries Earlier, Text Suggests

The Bible may have been written earlier than thought, newfound ancient Hebrew writing suggests.

www.livescience.com

The Exodus is considered a myth... not history. Egypt controlled Sinai and Canaan at the time and the Israelites couldn't remember the name of the Pharaoh. But, its a great story.

The Jewish scholars and rabbis announced that Exodus was a myth over 20 years ago now.

The Biblical Exodus Story Is Fiction | HuffPost

The Biblical Exodus Story Is Fiction

When I first heard that there was not a shred of evidence discovered in the Sinai Desert that a large number of Jews had wandered for 40 years, I thought that wasn't such a big deal. I mean, it's a desert, right?

www.huffpost.com

As it turns out, well-known Jewish commentator and author Rabbi David Wolpe has also known about the Exodus Myth. In his article, "Did the Exodus Really Happen?" he mentions that other rabbis wanted him to keep the fiction of the Exodus story on the down-low. The basic story of the Exodus from Egypt (extracting supernatural elements) was touted to me as one of the most historical aspects of the Bible, …

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Furor over L.A. rabbi's reading of Exodus - Jewish ...

Furor over L.A. rabbi's reading of Exodus - Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Passover has passed, but Los Angeles Jews are still heatedly discussing whether the Exodus actually happened. In three sermons during Passover, Rabbi David Wolpe said almost every modern archaeologist who has investigated the Exodus "agrees that the way t

www.jta.org

In three sermons at the beginning and end of Passover, Wolpe examined current research in biblical archaeology and concluded that “virtually every modern archaeologist who has investigated the...

 

[HaShev]

You guys can't even find your chain of command ballot tickets, especially to those under the table suitcase ballots, so if D.C. archived any relics, good luck finding it without your dry cleaner ticket.
*yes that would be like a Seinfeld episode*
Jerry: "What do you mean you lost the Ark of the Covenant archives ticket, you said it was in your suit pants"?
Kramer:"I took that suit to our dry cleaner"
Jerry:"well then get your suit back"
Kramer: "I CAN'T, I lost my dry cleaner ticket"
"Giddyup!"

 

[fncceo]

It's in here ...

 

[Crepitus]

 

[fncceo]

The Jewish scholars and rabbis announced that Exodus was a myth over 20 years ago now.

Jews don't have a hierarchical authority when it comes to scriptural matters. Anyone making an "announcement" is giving an opinion with not ecumenical authority.

There are rabbis who believe in the inerrant nature of Torah and those who believe scripture is metaphor. Both opinions are equally valid.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

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Ok. Where is it? What is it? Does it still exist or did it disintegrate?

Whatcha think?

It didn’t exist as perceived by theists.