Armed security

[idb]

You guys..... keep jinxing those countries.... their gun control laws do not protect them, their populations are becoming more violent, and they have just as much access to guns as our criminals do...once they decide to commit mass shootings, they will be even more helpless because in a lot of those places, the normal police are not armed....

Even while our rate of mass shootings remains much lower than that of the US. There must be some other explanation, eh?

Primary among "other explanations" is the fetish facet of fascination with firearms. Why is the AR 15 the weapon of choice for mass murderers when, as we so often see insisted, it is 'only' a rifle like others? It is the faux-military appeal. There is a sick mindset of many who dwell in the land of armed rebellion fantasies. When their frustrations reach an unforeseen level, disasters occur. It is definitely a mental health issue, and those so devoted to the Second Amendment need to be in the forefront of addressing it.

It is not the weapon of choice for mass murderers....hand guns are..... and it isn't the weapon that is the issue, it is the gun free zone that allows them the time to kill a lot of people....

And had he wanted to murder even more people he would have used a rental truck...a muslim terrorist in France used a Rental truck to murder 86 people and wound 450.......

In Crimea last week a shooter killed 21 people with a pump action shotgun, not an AR-15...and the shooter at the synagogue had 3 pistols with him so banning an AR-15 would have saved no one.

It's a lot harder to get a rental truck through the doors of a school.

And why would you try to take it into a building...? You have to stop mixing your meds with booze...it makes you even more stupid than you already are.....

You would run people over at the start or end of the day.......making it far deadlier than any rifle...

You've obviously thought this through with some detail.
Should we be mentioning you to someone?

 

[idb]

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

Anyone who advocates for more guns and armed security as a ‘solution’ to the problem of gun crime and violence is being intellectually lazy.

That was the implicit point in my posting. All of these security measures are basically a load of shit in a society awash with guns and nutters. Build a fence and metal detectors etc................fine, I will wait till school is over and mow them down when they come out. Its blindingly obvious what the problem is.

Yes......as we learned from France, a muslim terrorist used a rental Truck to murder 86 people...and wound 450 people....far more than any mass shooter in our country were killed with that rental truck than with a rifle, pistol or shotgun.....and you simply need a drivers license to have that weapon of mass murder....

And yet...despite all your obviously well-reasoned arguments...the US leads the world in mass shootings.

No, actually, we don't.....

Fact Checker Snopes.com's big mistakes in comparing mass public shootings in the US and Europe - Crime Prevention Research Center

Looking at individual countries in Europe is a lot like examing individual states in the United States. Snopes.com thinks one should look at the median yearly rate that mass public shootings occur. If you want to compare median yearly rates that there are deaths in different countries in Europe, why not compare individual countries in Europe to individual states in the US. The countries in Europe that had a mass public shooting had an average population of 23.5 million. The total US was 323.3 million.

We can break down the US into individual states just as Europe is broken down into individual countries (click on the table below to enlarge). Snopes makes much of the fact that while Europe as a whole has mass public shootings every year, most European countries didn’t.


Indeed, eleven of the fifteen European countries shown had only one year from 2009-2015 where they had a mass public shooting (if you include Russia, it would be eleven out of sixteen countries). But the same pattern holds true for US states, where 14 of the 18 states that had a mass public shooting experienced only one year with such deaths from 2009-2015. To put it differently, 73% of the European countries had deaths from a mass public shooting in only one year (69%, including the European part of Russia). By contrast, 78% of the states with a mass public shooting had deaths in only one year.

While it’s true that all European countries have a median mass public shooting death toll of zero, it is also zero for all but one of the 50 US states — California. Looking at average deaths among states and European countries, we find that six of the ten worst are European countries.
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Snopes.com makes it look like our analysis only compared the US to individual countries in Europe. They completely ignore that we also compared the US to the EU and Europe as a whole. For four of these seven years, the total number of deaths from mass public shootings is greater in these European countries than in the US. If one compares the yearly median for Europe to the yearly median for the US, they are virtually the same. With or without France, the median for Europe is 19. For the US, it is 18.
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Norway has a population of about 5 million people. Seven states in the US have populations between 4.4 million (Kentucky) and 5.7 million (Wisconsin). The other states are Louisiana (4.7 million), Alabama (4.9 million), South Carolina (4.9 million), Colorado (5.5 million), and Minnesota (5.5 million).

Three of those states had no mass public shootings.

The other four each had one mass public shooting, just like Norway.

The big difference is that those seven states had a total of 33 deaths from mass public shootings, while Norway had 69.


Even if you look at the mass public shootings in all the ten states between 4 and 7 million, the total number of deaths from mass public shootings is 48, with a total population of 78.5 million. Their total population is 15.5 times greater than Norway’s. Does Snopes.com really want to argue that Norway should only be compared to the US as a whole?

Snopes?

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

Anyone who advocates for more guns and armed security as a ‘solution’ to the problem of gun crime and violence is being intellectually lazy.

That was the implicit point in my posting. All of these security measures are basically a load of shit in a society awash with guns and nutters. Build a fence and metal detectors etc................fine, I will wait till school is over and mow them down when they come out. Its blindingly obvious what the problem is.

Yes......as we learned from France, a muslim terrorist used a rental Truck to murder 86 people...and wound 450 people....far more than any mass shooter in our country were killed with that rental truck than with a rifle, pistol or shotgun.....and you simply need a drivers license to have that weapon of mass murder....

And yet...despite all your obviously well-reasoned arguments...the US leads the world in mass shootings.

No, actually, we don't.....

Fact Checker Snopes.com's big mistakes in comparing mass public shootings in the US and Europe - Crime Prevention Research Center

Looking at individual countries in Europe is a lot like examing individual states in the United States. Snopes.com thinks one should look at the median yearly rate that mass public shootings occur. If you want to compare median yearly rates that there are deaths in different countries in Europe, why not compare individual countries in Europe to individual states in the US. The countries in Europe that had a mass public shooting had an average population of 23.5 million. The total US was 323.3 million.

We can break down the US into individual states just as Europe is broken down into individual countries (click on the table below to enlarge). Snopes makes much of the fact that while Europe as a whole has mass public shootings every year, most European countries didn’t.


Indeed, eleven of the fifteen European countries shown had only one year from 2009-2015 where they had a mass public shooting (if you include Russia, it would be eleven out of sixteen countries). But the same pattern holds true for US states, where 14 of the 18 states that had a mass public shooting experienced only one year with such deaths from 2009-2015. To put it differently, 73% of the European countries had deaths from a mass public shooting in only one year (69%, including the European part of Russia). By contrast, 78% of the states with a mass public shooting had deaths in only one year.

While it’s true that all European countries have a median mass public shooting death toll of zero, it is also zero for all but one of the 50 US states — California. Looking at average deaths among states and European countries, we find that six of the ten worst are European countries.
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Snopes.com makes it look like our analysis only compared the US to individual countries in Europe. They completely ignore that we also compared the US to the EU and Europe as a whole. For four of these seven years, the total number of deaths from mass public shootings is greater in these European countries than in the US. If one compares the yearly median for Europe to the yearly median for the US, they are virtually the same. With or without France, the median for Europe is 19. For the US, it is 18.
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Norway has a population of about 5 million people. Seven states in the US have populations between 4.4 million (Kentucky) and 5.7 million (Wisconsin). The other states are Louisiana (4.7 million), Alabama (4.9 million), South Carolina (4.9 million), Colorado (5.5 million), and Minnesota (5.5 million).

Three of those states had no mass public shootings.

The other four each had one mass public shooting, just like Norway.

The big difference is that those seven states had a total of 33 deaths from mass public shootings, while Norway had 69.


Even if you look at the mass public shootings in all the ten states between 4 and 7 million, the total number of deaths from mass public shootings is 48, with a total population of 78.5 million. Their total population is 15.5 times greater than Norway’s. Does Snopes.com really want to argue that Norway should only be compared to the US as a whole?

If you want to compare median yearly rates that there are deaths in different countries in Europe, why not compare individual countries in Europe to individual states in the US.

Really?
Why not just compare individual European countries that start with the letter 'L' to US cities that have a river through them?
It would be just as relevant.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

It is the faux-military appeal.

Well, its large mag capacity will have a bit to do with it, as will its ubiquity.

That the AR platform is modular is the primary appeal.

Just like the 'real thing'. In their minds, it's an M16.

It's Barbie for men; mix and match uppers and lowers, multiple calibers with one platform, add all the tacticool stuff you want; what's not to like.

 

[NoNukes]

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

If this type of protection is needed, the US is in a world of trouble, and there is no cure.

 

[NoNukes]

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

All of America needs to be better armed... We need to step it up

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

All of America needs to be better armed... We need to step it up

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

All of America needs to be better armed... We need to step it up

It is really sad what has happened to the US.

 

[justinacolmena]

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

It's a labor union of sorts. They made it illegal for "us" to carry guns so that they can charge money to carry guns on our behalf.

Except it's not actually "us" those hired killers are protecting.

 

[2aguy]

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

All of America needs to be better armed... We need to step it up

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

All of America needs to be better armed... We need to step it up

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

All of America needs to be better armed... We need to step it up

It is really sad what has happened to the US.

And yet, the unarmed people of Europe, 12 million of them, were handed over to the German Socialists by their own governments....and sent to death camps where they were murdered......those 12 million still far outnumber any number of murders committed by criminals released onto our streets by democrats....do you only care when criminals murder people, and ignore the millions more murdered by their governments in Europe?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

All of America needs to be better armed... We need to step it up

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

All of America needs to be better armed... We need to step it up

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

All of America needs to be better armed... We need to step it up

It is really sad what has happened to the US.

And yet, the unarmed people of Europe, 12 million of them, were handed over to the German Socialists by their own governments....and sent to death camps where they were murdered......those 12 million still far outnumber any number of murders committed by criminals released onto our streets by democrats....do you only care when criminals murder people, and ignore the millions more murdered by their governments in Europe?

You are insane. You are prepared to see people slaughtered every day as long as you can hang on to your penis extension. Your only suggestion is that you need more guns. How much do they pay you to spout this shite ?

 

[NoNukes]

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

All of America needs to be better armed... We need to step it up

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

All of America needs to be better armed... We need to step it up

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

All of America needs to be better armed... We need to step it up

It is really sad what has happened to the US.

And yet, the unarmed people of Europe, 12 million of them, were handed over to the German Socialists by their own governments....and sent to death camps where they were murdered......those 12 million still far outnumber any number of murders committed by criminals released onto our streets by democrats....do you only care when criminals murder people, and ignore the millions more murdered by their governments in Europe?

You are insane. You are prepared to see people slaughtered every day as long as you can hang on to your penis extension. Your only suggestion is that you need more guns. How much do they pay you to spout this shite ?

154 mass shootings so far this year in the US. Not one by a Black or illegal immigrant.

 

[2aguy]

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

All of America needs to be better armed... We need to step it up

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

All of America needs to be better armed... We need to step it up

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

All of America needs to be better armed... We need to step it up

It is really sad what has happened to the US.

And yet, the unarmed people of Europe, 12 million of them, were handed over to the German Socialists by their own governments....and sent to death camps where they were murdered......those 12 million still far outnumber any number of murders committed by criminals released onto our streets by democrats....do you only care when criminals murder people, and ignore the millions more murdered by their governments in Europe?

You are insane. You are prepared to see people slaughtered every day as long as you can hang on to your penis extension. Your only suggestion is that you need more guns. How much do they pay you to spout this shite ?

And there we go....... you see a gun, and you think penis.... for all the other anti-gunners out there....a gun is not a penis....you need to go immediately and find psychiatric help because your sex drive is really screwed up.....

And as to guns in America.....our gun murder rate went down 49% as more Americans own and carry guns...so you are wrong....

In Britain, your gun crime rate has gone up after you banned guns...so you are wrong again...since your gun control laws can't stop your criminals from getting guns....and you have recently had up to 3 almost mass shootings stopped only by dumb luck.... you are facing a future of mass shootings in your country.... your gun crime is not frozen in amber....and criminals are getting more guns, as are your nuts....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

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Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears

Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.

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The document said the boy would “lay low” in Catterick before murdering his ex-girlfriend’s parents and stealing her father’s guns, the court heard.

“I’ll make some explosives then well find a way back to Northallerton and well begin our assault on that f****** school,” it continued

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"This was no teenage fantasy; it was real,” he added. “They intended a re-enactment of the Columbine High School Massacre although fortunately, in the result, they were stopped before their plans were put into action.”

.4/6/18

Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed

A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.

Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.

The 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.

Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
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http://www.guns.com/2015/09/26/british-teen-sentenced-to-life-for-planned-school-attack/

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.

Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.

As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.

According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.

Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.

The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.

In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”

He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.

====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'


15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.

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'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside

Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.

Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.

The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.

He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.



What kept this from becoming a mass shooting?

 

[NoNukes]

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

All of America needs to be better armed... We need to step it up

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

All of America needs to be better armed... We need to step it up

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

All of America needs to be better armed... We need to step it up

It is really sad what has happened to the US.

And yet, the unarmed people of Europe, 12 million of them, were handed over to the German Socialists by their own governments....and sent to death camps where they were murdered......those 12 million still far outnumber any number of murders committed by criminals released onto our streets by democrats....do you only care when criminals murder people, and ignore the millions more murdered by their governments in Europe?

You are insane. You are prepared to see people slaughtered every day as long as you can hang on to your penis extension. Your only suggestion is that you need more guns. How much do they pay you to spout this shite ?

And there we go....... you see a gun, and you think penis.... for all the other anti-gunners out there....a gun is not a penis....you need to go immediately and find psychiatric help because your sex drive is really screwed up.....

And as to guns in America.....our gun murder rate went down 49% as more Americans own and carry guns...so you are wrong....

In Britain, your gun crime rate has gone up after you banned guns...so you are wrong again...since your gun control laws can't stop your criminals from getting guns....and you have recently had up to 3 almost mass shootings stopped only by dumb luck.... you are facing a future of mass shootings in your country.... your gun crime is not frozen in amber....and criminals are getting more guns, as are your nuts....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

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Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears

Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.

---------------------------

The document said the boy would “lay low” in Catterick before murdering his ex-girlfriend’s parents and stealing her father’s guns, the court heard.

“I’ll make some explosives then well find a way back to Northallerton and well begin our assault on that f****** school,” it continued

----

"This was no teenage fantasy; it was real,” he added. “They intended a re-enactment of the Columbine High School Massacre although fortunately, in the result, they were stopped before their plans were put into action.”

.4/6/18

Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed

A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.

Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.

The 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.

Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
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http://www.guns.com/2015/09/26/british-teen-sentenced-to-life-for-planned-school-attack/

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.

Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.

As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.

According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.

Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.

The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.

In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”

He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.

====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'


15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.

=======




'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside

Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.

Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.

The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.

He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.



What kept this from becoming a mass shooting?

Gun violence is stronger in areas where you are allowed to carry. Do not listen to the lies on pro gun websites.

 

[2aguy]

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

All of America needs to be better armed... We need to step it up

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

All of America needs to be better armed... We need to step it up

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

All of America needs to be better armed... We need to step it up

It is really sad what has happened to the US.

And yet, the unarmed people of Europe, 12 million of them, were handed over to the German Socialists by their own governments....and sent to death camps where they were murdered......those 12 million still far outnumber any number of murders committed by criminals released onto our streets by democrats....do you only care when criminals murder people, and ignore the millions more murdered by their governments in Europe?

You are insane. You are prepared to see people slaughtered every day as long as you can hang on to your penis extension. Your only suggestion is that you need more guns. How much do they pay you to spout this shite ?

154 mass shootings so far this year in the US. Not one by a Black or illegal immigrant.

That is a lie..... there were not 154 mass shootings you dumb ass..... The definition of a mass shooting by the FBI used to be 4 or more people killed in one place by a someone who was not connected to another crime...... then obama wanted more mass shootings recorded so he lowered that to 3...... and even with that lower number there were........

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation


2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1

 

[2aguy]

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

All of America needs to be better armed... We need to step it up

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

All of America needs to be better armed... We need to step it up

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

All of America needs to be better armed... We need to step it up

It is really sad what has happened to the US.

And yet, the unarmed people of Europe, 12 million of them, were handed over to the German Socialists by their own governments....and sent to death camps where they were murdered......those 12 million still far outnumber any number of murders committed by criminals released onto our streets by democrats....do you only care when criminals murder people, and ignore the millions more murdered by their governments in Europe?

You are insane. You are prepared to see people slaughtered every day as long as you can hang on to your penis extension. Your only suggestion is that you need more guns. How much do they pay you to spout this shite ?

154 mass shootings so far this year in the US. Not one by a Black or illegal immigrant.

That is a lie...

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation


2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1

 

[NoNukes]

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

It's a labor union of sorts. They made it illegal for "us" to carry guns so that they can charge money to carry guns on our behalf.

Except it's not actually "us" those hired killers are protecting.

I live in Ireland where you cannot own a handgun. We do not have gun violence.

 

[NoNukes]

All of America needs to be better armed... We need to step it up

All of America needs to be better armed... We need to step it up

All of America needs to be better armed... We need to step it up

It is really sad what has happened to the US.

And yet, the unarmed people of Europe, 12 million of them, were handed over to the German Socialists by their own governments....and sent to death camps where they were murdered......those 12 million still far outnumber any number of murders committed by criminals released onto our streets by democrats....do you only care when criminals murder people, and ignore the millions more murdered by their governments in Europe?

You are insane. You are prepared to see people slaughtered every day as long as you can hang on to your penis extension. Your only suggestion is that you need more guns. How much do they pay you to spout this shite ?

154 mass shootings so far this year in the US. Not one by a Black or illegal immigrant.

That is a lie..... there were not 154 mass shootings you dumb ass..... The definition of a mass shooting by the FBI used to be 4 or more people killed in one place by a someone who was not connected to another crime...... then obama wanted more mass shootings recorded so he lowered that to 3...... and even with that lower number there were........

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation


2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1

So 3 is OK with you? You are what is known as a gun nut.

 

[2aguy]

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

It's a labor union of sorts. They made it illegal for "us" to carry guns so that they can charge money to carry guns on our behalf.

Except it's not actually "us" those hired killers are protecting.

I live in Ireland where you cannot own a handgun. We do not have gun violence.

You don't have gun violence....? Really?

I guess you have never heard of the IRA........ are you seriously this stupid.....I don't usually post the shootings in Ireland, I just post them for England and Wales....now I may have to start....

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

It's a labor union of sorts. They made it illegal for "us" to carry guns so that they can charge money to carry guns on our behalf.

Except it's not actually "us" those hired killers are protecting.

I live in Ireland where you cannot own a handgun. We do not have gun violence.

Its not fucking complicated is it ?

 

[2aguy]

It is really sad what has happened to the US.

And yet, the unarmed people of Europe, 12 million of them, were handed over to the German Socialists by their own governments....and sent to death camps where they were murdered......those 12 million still far outnumber any number of murders committed by criminals released onto our streets by democrats....do you only care when criminals murder people, and ignore the millions more murdered by their governments in Europe?

You are insane. You are prepared to see people slaughtered every day as long as you can hang on to your penis extension. Your only suggestion is that you need more guns. How much do they pay you to spout this shite ?

154 mass shootings so far this year in the US. Not one by a Black or illegal immigrant.

That is a lie..... there were not 154 mass shootings you dumb ass..... The definition of a mass shooting by the FBI used to be 4 or more people killed in one place by a someone who was not connected to another crime...... then obama wanted more mass shootings recorded so he lowered that to 3...... and even with that lower number there were........

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation


2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1

So 3 is OK with you? You are what is known as a gun nut.

No.....that is why I want to get rid of gun free zones...we know from actual mass public shooters that they targeted locations based on their gun free zone status..... they are not looking for a gun fight, they want to commit murder...as soon as someone with a gun, even a civilian, confronts them, the killing stops...and they surrender, run away or commit suicide...

 

[Tommy Tainant]

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

All of America needs to be better armed... We need to step it up

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

All of America needs to be better armed... We need to step it up

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

All of America needs to be better armed... We need to step it up

It is really sad what has happened to the US.

And yet, the unarmed people of Europe, 12 million of them, were handed over to the German Socialists by their own governments....and sent to death camps where they were murdered......those 12 million still far outnumber any number of murders committed by criminals released onto our streets by democrats....do you only care when criminals murder people, and ignore the millions more murdered by their governments in Europe?

You are insane. You are prepared to see people slaughtered every day as long as you can hang on to your penis extension. Your only suggestion is that you need more guns. How much do they pay you to spout this shite ?

And there we go....... you see a gun, and you think penis.... for all the other anti-gunners out there....a gun is not a penis....you need to go immediately and find psychiatric help because your sex drive is really screwed up.....

And as to guns in America.....our gun murder rate went down 49% as more Americans own and carry guns...so you are wrong....

In Britain, your gun crime rate has gone up after you banned guns...so you are wrong again...since your gun control laws can't stop your criminals from getting guns....and you have recently had up to 3 almost mass shootings stopped only by dumb luck.... you are facing a future of mass shootings in your country.... your gun crime is not frozen in amber....and criminals are getting more guns, as are your nuts....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

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Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears

Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.

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The document said the boy would “lay low” in Catterick before murdering his ex-girlfriend’s parents and stealing her father’s guns, the court heard.

“I’ll make some explosives then well find a way back to Northallerton and well begin our assault on that f****** school,” it continued

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"This was no teenage fantasy; it was real,” he added. “They intended a re-enactment of the Columbine High School Massacre although fortunately, in the result, they were stopped before their plans were put into action.”

.4/6/18

Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed

A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.

Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.

The 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.

Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
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http://www.guns.com/2015/09/26/british-teen-sentenced-to-life-for-planned-school-attack/

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.

Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.

As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.

According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.

Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.

The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.

In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”

He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.

====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'


15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.

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'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside

Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.

Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.

The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.

He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.



What kept this from becoming a mass shooting?

Here you go Bozo.

 

[NoNukes]

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

Tommy, did you ever find out where to send your money for the caravan?...that is very generous of you...I found that mexico, hondorus, el salvador and guatamala will all accept your generosity, the money can be sent to them through their consulates...very nice thing you are doing tommy

There were such caravans in the Bible. And in earlier times in US history.