Armed vet destroys gun nuts’ argument by explaining why he didn’t attack Oregon killer

[Rustic]

The silly progressives want people be in a gun fight with "hope and change" ...

Good luck

 

[JimBowie1958]

Armed vet destroys gun nuts’ argument on mass shooters by explaining why he didn’t attack Oregon killer



A veteran who says he was carrying a concealed weapon on the UCC campus Thursday when 26-year-old Christopher Harper Mercer went on a murderous rampage, says he didn’t intervene because he knew police SWAT team members wouldn’t know him from the shooter.

In an interview with MSNBC, vet John Parker said he knows lots of students who conceal carry at the school because, despite a school policy that discourages weapons on campus, Oregon state law does allow it.

Saying he does conceal carry in case “I’m in close proximity” to an incident where he might try to save some lives, Parker admitted he’s not the type who believes that “there’s always somebody out there behind your back ready to do something like this.”


Ruins the whole "gun free zone" malarkey doesnt it

Good illustration of the fundamental flaw with the concealed-carry arguements - most people are too chickenshit. Happened back during the Arizona political shooting too. At least one guy had a weapon but was on the deck cowering like everybody else.

Which one was that, Giffords?....there were 2....and the one didn't fire because he didn't have to......

Armed citizens have stopped mass shooters all around the country...you should pay more attention....

Giffords that's it. Sorry name eluded me. Guy was in the supermarket or whatever cowering though armed.

Same again with this armed veteran more worried about being shot by arriving police than saving people with his gun. Practical concern but reveals a futility in the whole 'if I had a gunI'd have been able to do something about it' arguements.

Again, the point of allowing people to carry concealed is not that they will heroically run to the sound of gun fire to kill the bad guys, but that if the bad guy comes down on them the innocent can SHOOT BACK.

All this Rambo crap is a straw man drawn by gun grabbers trying to lampoon what gun rights advocates are actually trying to assert. Every person has the right to defend themselves any time any where and the gun free zones do not work, they only draw the loons to go to them for sitting ducks.

FACT

Every Mass Shooting in the US Since the 1950s Except Two Occurred in Gun Free Zones ⋆ Conservative Firing Line

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

A veteran who says he was carrying a concealed weapon on the UCC campus Thursday when 26-year-old Christopher Harper Mercer went on a murderous rampage, says he didn’t intervene because he knew police SWAT team members wouldn’t know him from the shooter.

Was he anywhere near him?

 

[daws101]

I continue to be amazed at the inability of some to connect the dots with this gun shit. How the fuck can any sane person think more gun laws would prevent an Oregon-type shooting? How?

Meanwhile....offuckingcourse if a concealed carry person is in that classroom, the casualty rate is far, far less tonight!!!

duh

Any real world stats on that ?
Far as I know it's never happened.

 

[daws101]

Gun free zones and armed citizens are both rediculous it's been proven that the first is in effective.
The second would end up doing far more damage .
Imagine 5 or 10 "heroes"packing heat and of that number only half practice on a regular basis and of those only 2 are any thing close to a decent shot.
Only one has been under fire.
The rest have purchased a firearm they have no business having .
44 magnum, desert eagles. Etc.
They engage the shooter or shooters who have blockaded himself inside a room or area with lots of people , he fires .
They fire back . Colateral damage doesn't quite capture the carnage.

Millions of concealed carriers out there and how many times has that happened?

I guess normal armed citizens are NOT as stupid and irresponsible as you would like to think.

There not one incident of a civilian gun slingers ever Saving anyone.
Since we have a mass shooting every 3 months they've had ample opportunity to prove their effectiveness.
Mass shooters 10 concealed carriers 0

 

[westwall]

Gun free zones and armed citizens are both rediculous it's been proven that the first is in effective.
The second would end up doing far more damage .
Imagine 5 or 10 "heroes"packing heat and of that number only half practice on a regular basis and of those only 2 are any thing close to a decent shot.
Only one has been under fire.
The rest have purchased a firearm they have no business having .
44 magnum, desert eagles. Etc.
They engage the shooter or shooters who have blockaded himself inside a room or area with lots of people , he fires .
They fire back . Colateral damage doesn't quite capture the carnage.

Millions of concealed carriers out there and how many times has that happened?

I guess normal armed citizens are NOT as stupid and irresponsible as you would like to think.

There not one incident of a civilian gun slingers ever Saving anyone.
Since we have a mass shooting every 3 months they've had ample opportunity to prove their effectiveness.
Mass shooters 10 concealed carriers 0

Wrong.


9 Potential Mass Shootings That Were Stopped By Someone With A Personally Owned Firearm

9 Potential Mass Shootings That Were Stopped By Someone With A Personally Owned Firearm

 

[daws101]

Gun free zones and armed citizens are both rediculous it's been proven that the first is in effective.
The second would end up doing far more damage .
Imagine 5 or 10 "heroes"packing heat and of that number only half practice on a regular basis and of those only 2 are any thing close to a decent shot.
Only one has been under fire.
The rest have purchased a firearm they have no business having .
44 magnum, desert eagles. Etc.
They engage the shooter or shooters who have blockaded himself inside a room or area with lots of people , he fires .
They fire back . Colateral damage doesn't quite capture the carnage.

Millions of concealed carriers out there and how many times has that happened?

I guess normal armed citizens are NOT as stupid and irresponsible as you would like to think.

There not one incident of a civilian gun slingers ever Saving anyone.
Since we have a mass shooting every 3 months they've had ample opportunity to prove their effectiveness.
Mass shooters 10 concealed carriers 0

Wrong.


9 Potential Mass Shootings That Were Stopped By Someone With A Personally Owned Firearm

9 Potential Mass Shootings That Were Stopped By Someone With A Personally Owned Firearm

Potential meaning maybe, almost ,.might have.
Not did.

 

[Lakhota]

If you're going to carry, you'd better have the balls to use it; otherwise, leave it at home.

 

[westwall]

Gun free zones and armed citizens are both rediculous it's been proven that the first is in effective.
The second would end up doing far more damage .
Imagine 5 or 10 "heroes"packing heat and of that number only half practice on a regular basis and of those only 2 are any thing close to a decent shot.
Only one has been under fire.
The rest have purchased a firearm they have no business having .
44 magnum, desert eagles. Etc.
They engage the shooter or shooters who have blockaded himself inside a room or area with lots of people , he fires .
They fire back . Colateral damage doesn't quite capture the carnage.

Millions of concealed carriers out there and how many times has that happened?

I guess normal armed citizens are NOT as stupid and irresponsible as you would like to think.

There not one incident of a civilian gun slingers ever Saving anyone.
Since we have a mass shooting every 3 months they've had ample opportunity to prove their effectiveness.
Mass shooters 10 concealed carriers 0

Wrong.


9 Potential Mass Shootings That Were Stopped By Someone With A Personally Owned Firearm

9 Potential Mass Shootings That Were Stopped By Someone With A Personally Owned Firearm

Potential meaning maybe, almost ,.might have.
Not did.

Deaf, dumb and blind you are. Each of those was a mass shooting about to occur and they were ALL stopped by a good guy with a gun.

But, as usual, when presented with facts, you lie.

 

[westwall]

If you're going to carry, you'd better have the balls to use it; otherwise, leave it at home.

Agreed. However, the guidance given when you obtain one is you don't seek out trouble. In a shooting situation you are supposed to stay in place and protect yourself till the area is cleared. Allow more people to carry in more places and the mass shootings will go away like they did in Israel.

 

[daws101]

Gun free zones and armed citizens are both rediculous it's been proven that the first is in effective.
The second would end up doing far more damage .
Imagine 5 or 10 "heroes"packing heat and of that number only half practice on a regular basis and of those only 2 are any thing close to a decent shot.
Only one has been under fire.
The rest have purchased a firearm they have no business having .
44 magnum, desert eagles. Etc.
They engage the shooter or shooters who have blockaded himself inside a room or area with lots of people , he fires .
They fire back . Colateral damage doesn't quite capture the carnage.

Millions of concealed carriers out there and how many times has that happened?

I guess normal armed citizens are NOT as stupid and irresponsible as you would like to think.

There not one incident of a civilian gun slingers ever Saving anyone.
Since we have a mass shooting every 3 months they've had ample opportunity to prove their effectiveness.
Mass shooters 10 concealed carriers 0

Wrong.


9 Potential Mass Shootings That Were Stopped By Someone With A Personally Owned Firearm

9 Potential Mass Shootings That Were Stopped By Someone With A Personally Owned Firearm

Potential meaning maybe, almost ,.might have.
Not did.

Deaf, dumb and blind you are. Each of those was a mass shooting about to occur and they were ALL stopped by a good guy with a gun.

But, as usual, when presented with facts, you lie.

About is the same as almost it's simple shit either happens or it doesn't.
That's fact.
No lie intended or presented.

 

[westwall]

Millions of concealed carriers out there and how many times has that happened?

I guess normal armed citizens are NOT as stupid and irresponsible as you would like to think.

There not one incident of a civilian gun slingers ever Saving anyone.
Since we have a mass shooting every 3 months they've had ample opportunity to prove their effectiveness.
Mass shooters 10 concealed carriers 0

Wrong.


9 Potential Mass Shootings That Were Stopped By Someone With A Personally Owned Firearm

9 Potential Mass Shootings That Were Stopped By Someone With A Personally Owned Firearm

Potential meaning maybe, almost ,.might have.
Not did.

Deaf, dumb and blind you are. Each of those was a mass shooting about to occur and they were ALL stopped by a good guy with a gun.

But, as usual, when presented with facts, you lie.

About is the same as almost it's simple shit either happens or it doesn't.
That's fact.
No lie intended or presented.

What the hell are you blabbering about? You said it had never happened. I showed you nine times it had and all you can do is clamp your hands over your ears and go lalalalalla

 

[Contumacious]

Armed vet destroys gun nuts’ argument on mass shooters by explaining why he didn’t attack Oregon killer



A veteran who says he was carrying a concealed weapon on the UCC campus Thursday when 26-year-old Christopher Harper Mercer went on a murderous rampage, says he didn’t intervene because he knew police SWAT team members wouldn’t know him from the shooter.

In an interview with MSNBC, vet John Parker said he knows lots of students who conceal carry at the school because, despite a school policy that discourages weapons on campus, Oregon state law does allow it.

Saying he does conceal carry in case “I’m in close proximity” to an incident where he might try to save some lives, Parker admitted he’s not the type who believes that “there’s always somebody out there behind your back ready to do something like this.”


Ruins the whole "gun free zone" malarkey doesnt it

BULLSHIT




The apparent pro-Democratic Party front group mistakenly assumed that the community college in question was somehow under the same guidelines as state universities.

The school, Umpqua Community College, is, in fact, a gun-free campus. An archived copy of their student code of conduct shows:



In addition to the written policy of the community college, the university’s president, Rita Cavin, stated in a press conference that the university is a gun-free campus and there are “no plans” to change security policy."

.

 

[ClosedCaption]

^^ still getting fooled I see

 

[Correll]

Armed vet destroys gun nuts’ argument on mass shooters by explaining why he didn’t attack Oregon killer



A veteran who says he was carrying a concealed weapon on the UCC campus Thursday when 26-year-old Christopher Harper Mercer went on a murderous rampage, says he didn’t intervene because he knew police SWAT team members wouldn’t know him from the shooter.

In an interview with MSNBC, vet John Parker said he knows lots of students who conceal carry at the school because, despite a school policy that discourages weapons on campus, Oregon state law does allow it.

Saying he does conceal carry in case “I’m in close proximity” to an incident where he might try to save some lives, Parker admitted he’s not the type who believes that “there’s always somebody out there behind your back ready to do something like this.”


Ruins the whole "gun free zone" malarkey doesnt it

Good illustration of the fundamental flaw with the concealed-carry arguements - most people are too chickenshit. Happened back during the Arizona political shooting too. At least one guy had a weapon but was on the deck cowering like everybody else.

Which one was that, Giffords?....there were 2....and the one didn't fire because he didn't have to......

Armed citizens have stopped mass shooters all around the country...you should pay more attention....

Giffords that's it. Sorry name eluded me. Guy was in the supermarket or whatever cowering though armed.

Same again with this armed veteran more worried about being shot by arriving police than saving people with his gun. Practical concern but reveals a futility in the whole 'if I had a gunI'd have been able to do something about it' arguements.

Only if the pro-gun people were claiming that the presence of armed citizens would solve all problems.

Which no pro-gun person is actually doing.

 

[Correll]

Gun free zones and armed citizens are both rediculous it's been proven that the first is in effective.
The second would end up doing far more damage .
Imagine 5 or 10 "heroes"packing heat and of that number only half practice on a regular basis and of those only 2 are any thing close to a decent shot.
Only one has been under fire.
The rest have purchased a firearm they have no business having .
44 magnum, desert eagles. Etc.
They engage the shooter or shooters who have blockaded himself inside a room or area with lots of people , he fires .
They fire back . Colateral damage doesn't quite capture the carnage.

Millions of concealed carriers out there and how many times has that happened?

I guess normal armed citizens are NOT as stupid and irresponsible as you would like to think.

There not one incident of a civilian gun slingers ever Saving anyone.
Since we have a mass shooting every 3 months they've had ample opportunity to prove their effectiveness.
Mass shooters 10 concealed carriers 0

Wrong.


9 Potential Mass Shootings That Were Stopped By Someone With A Personally Owned Firearm

9 Potential Mass Shootings That Were Stopped By Someone With A Personally Owned Firearm

Potential meaning maybe, almost ,.might have.
Not did.

Wow. THAT is insanely dishonest.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Gun free zones and armed citizens are both rediculous it's been proven that the first is in effective.
The second would end up doing far more damage .
Imagine 5 or 10 "heroes"packing heat and of that number only half practice on a regular basis and of those only 2 are any thing close to a decent shot.
Only one has been under fire.
The rest have purchased a firearm they have no business having .
44 magnum, desert eagles. Etc.
They engage the shooter or shooters who have blockaded himself inside a room or area with lots of people , he fires .
They fire back . Colateral damage doesn't quite capture the carnage.

Millions of concealed carriers out there and how many times has that happened?

I guess normal armed citizens are NOT as stupid and irresponsible as you would like to think.

There not one incident of a civilian gun slingers ever Saving anyone.
Since we have a mass shooting every 3 months they've had ample opportunity to prove their effectiveness.
Mass shooters 10 concealed carriers 0

Wrong.


9 Potential Mass Shootings That Were Stopped By Someone With A Personally Owned Firearm

9 Potential Mass Shootings That Were Stopped By Someone With A Personally Owned Firearm

Potential meaning maybe, almost ,.might have.
Not did.

Deaf, dumb and blind you are. Each of those was a mass shooting about to occur and they were ALL stopped by a good guy with a gun.

But, as usual, when presented with facts, you lie.

daws is a PC Nazi and a cretin. a total Tar Baby.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Gun free zones and armed citizens are both rediculous it's been proven that the first is in effective.
The second would end up doing far more damage .
Imagine 5 or 10 "heroes"packing heat and of that number only half practice on a regular basis and of those only 2 are any thing close to a decent shot.
Only one has been under fire.
The rest have purchased a firearm they have no business having .
44 magnum, desert eagles. Etc.
They engage the shooter or shooters who have blockaded himself inside a room or area with lots of people , he fires .
They fire back . Colateral damage doesn't quite capture the carnage.

Millions of concealed carriers out there and how many times has that happened?

I guess normal armed citizens are NOT as stupid and irresponsible as you would like to think.

There not one incident of a civilian gun slingers ever Saving anyone.
Since we have a mass shooting every 3 months they've had ample opportunity to prove their effectiveness.
Mass shooters 10 concealed carriers 0

Wrong.


9 Potential Mass Shootings That Were Stopped By Someone With A Personally Owned Firearm

9 Potential Mass Shootings That Were Stopped By Someone With A Personally Owned Firearm

Potential meaning maybe, almost ,.might have.
Not did.

Wow. THAT is insanely dishonest.

Standard PC Nazi tactics.

Are you surprised?

 

[2aguy]

Gun free zones and armed citizens are both rediculous it's been proven that the first is in effective.
The second would end up doing far more damage .
Imagine 5 or 10 "heroes"packing heat and of that number only half practice on a regular basis and of those only 2 are any thing close to a decent shot.
Only one has been under fire.
The rest have purchased a firearm they have no business having .
44 magnum, desert eagles. Etc.
They engage the shooter or shooters who have blockaded himself inside a room or area with lots of people , he fires .
They fire back . Colateral damage doesn't quite capture the carnage.

Millions of concealed carriers out there and how many times has that happened?

I guess normal armed citizens are NOT as stupid and irresponsible as you would like to think.

There not one incident of a civilian gun slingers ever Saving anyone.
Since we have a mass shooting every 3 months they've had ample opportunity to prove their effectiveness.
Mass shooters 10 concealed carriers 0

Are you really this stupid or do you just play stupid for the internet.....do you ever actually research what you post about...there are many cases of concealed carry people stopping gun criminals....here are some church shootings...

Some details to help you make your guess....

Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ( 6 dead, 4 wounded)

Charleston church shooting - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ( 9 dead)


vs.


Deputies Osceola pastor shot church janitor in self-defense ( 0 dead)

6 Shot At New Life Church Gunman 2 Churchgoers Dead - 7NEWS Denver TheDenverChannel.com ( 2 dead, 3 wounded)

Remember This SC Concealed Carrier Stops Mass Shooting During Church Service. No Casualties. ( 0 dead)
**********
No guns: 15 dead

Sikh temple ( 6 dead, 4 wounded)

Charleston ( 9 dead)


Parishioners with guns: 2 dead

Osceola ( 0 dead )

New life ( 2 dead, 3 wounded)

South Carolina shotgun guy ( 0 dead)

 

[2aguy]

Con argument - laws don't work

Why then are there any laws against anything. When was the last time dynamite was used by a criminal, or C4, or a .50 cal machine gun.

Why are there laws against driving drunk, thousands are killed by drunk drivers every year so why have laws. Or laws against bank robbing. There are hundreds of bank robberies.

Con logic - laws don't stop anything, let's not have laws

Yes that type of thinking is called self-fulfilling prophecy. Conservatives subconsciously create this world of gun slaughter and then have to find a way of defending it.

And the bodies of children are piling up.

are you this stupid...don't answer that....you will just post something else equally stupid.....

You guys keep saying we don't want any laws...which is a lie...but of course you guys can't debate without lying.

We point out the truth and reality.

We already have laws against using guns to commit crimes. We have laws that say convicted felons can't own, carry or touch a gun.

We need to enforce those laws with longer prison sentences. Right now...gun criminals are getting 3 years and are out in 2 or even sooner.

we arrest criminals who commit crimes with guns and felons caught with guns, we can already do all of this with existing gun laws....

We can do this without licensing gun owners, registering all guns and without creating Universal background checks that will not stop crime or mass shootings.

You guys are the morons. You propose licensing gun owners....will not stop one criminal or mass shooter from getting a gun...and they can be arrested without licensing law abiding gun owners.

You propose registering all guns....even though it has already failed in Canada and every other country where it is tried, and it will not stop one criminal or mass shooter from getting a gun....and we can already arrest criminals who use guns and felons who just possess a gun.

Universal Background Checks will be gotten around the same way current background checks are gotten around...criminals and mass shooters will steal the guns or use a person with a clean record to get the gun...thus making universal background checks useless...

You guys are the morons...each thing you propose will not do one thing to stop gun crime.

None of the measures would have prevented this mass shooting by the way....