Arming people in movie theaters

[Mr Natural]

Word to the wise:

Always sit in the No Shooting section of the theater.

 

[2aguy]

Word to the wise:

Always sit in the No Shooting section of the theater.

all the people in the Colorado theater thought they had.....and then the shooter came in...

 

[rightwinger]

Very sad. Sounds like a drunken fool.

I hope the woman survives.

I worry a lot about drunken fools who are driving.

We take away their driving license

What do we do with armed drunks?

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Do we need more gov regulation to keep our streets/theaters/etc safe for the general public?
And our homes safe from phone marketers, scammers, & hackers?

It's sad that we, the RESPONSIBLE citizens, are losing our personal freedoms due to the recklessness & stupidity of small minorities.
Each mature citizen should have full freedom ... until convicted of crime.
Innocent until proven guilty.
However, catching a criminal is not always easy ...

With tech advancements, and the trend toward IoT (Internet of Things), i can see law enforcement improving with "smart chips". Guns could be sold with tiny smart chips that would match a chip ID in a driver's license or permit.
Of course, this does not prevent criminals from using unregistered guns, until old guns are discovered & removed from societies ... in a few hundred years ... and we continue to lose our privacy.

Just enjoying random thoughts about how tech is changing our lives, for better and worse.

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Do we need drunken assholes thinking they need to protect us filling our movie theaters?

 

[reconmark]

Agree

Problem is there were not enough guns in that theater to respond after the first shot was fired

It was an accident. Returning fire would be stupid as hell.

Having a bunch of guns in a dark theater when a shot goes off and idiots assuming a massacre is taking place then randomly shooting at everyone else with a gun is bound to happen.

And yet in crowd situations during mass shootings where the idiot mass shooter chose a non gun free zone…….there hasn't been the problem has there…….normal gun owners have reacted incredibly responsibly in mass shooting attacks……...

So it's safe to assume that you are going to post a direct rebuttal to my statement and stop comparing apples to oranges...or not.

What are you talking about……most theaters are gun free zones……like the Colorado theater shooting so no one except the shooter had a gun……but at the gabby giffords shooting….a very crowded event…you had two concealed carry gun owners and neither one of them just blasted away, or shot innocent people……

Actual mass shooter events with concealed carry permit holders, in the few places that were not gun grabber created gun free zones did not result in people just firing randomly…you are wrong.

Slow down spot...you are confusing yourself. Stop comparing apples to oranges, Gabby was not in a dark crowded theater, your propaganda que card is wrong.
A crowded dark theater full of people with an unknown number of them firing is a recipe for disaster...regardless of how you want to bend common sense.
Here's another asshole who almost got himself and another killed because he substituted his brain with his gun:

"I came out of that store, I clicked the safety off, and I was ready," he explained on Fox and Friends. "I had my hand on my gun. I had it in my jacket pocket here. And I came around the corner like this." Zamudio demonstrated how his shooting hand was wrapped around the weapon, poised to draw and fire. As he rounded the corner, he saw a man holding a gun. "And that's who I at first thought was the shooter," Zamudio recalled. "I told him to 'Drop it, drop it!' "
But the man with the gun wasn't the shooter. He had wrested the gun away from the shooter. "Had you shot that guy, it would have been a big, fat mess," the interviewer pointed out.

The Arizona Daily Star, based on its interview with Zamudio, adds two details to the story. First, upon seeing the man with the gun, Zamudio "grabbed his arm and shoved him into a wall" before realizing he wasn't the shooter. And second, one reason why Zamudio didn't pull out his own weapon was that "he didn't want to be confused as a second gunman."
This is a much more dangerous picture than has generally been reported. Zamudio had released his safety and was poised to fire when he saw what he thought was the killer still holding his weapon. Zamudio had a split second to decide whether to shoot. He was sufficiently convinced of the killer's identity to shove the man into a wall. But Zamudio didn't use his gun. That's how close he came to killing an innocent man. He was, as he acknowledges, "very lucky."

 

[my2¢]

I'm blaming this shooting on the movie.

 

[Dale Smith]

Agree

Problem is there were not enough guns in that theater to respond after the first shot was fired

It was an accident. Returning fire would be stupid as hell.

Having a bunch of guns in a dark theater when a shot goes off and idiots assuming a massacre is taking place then randomly shooting at everyone else with a gun is bound to happen.

And yet in crowd situations during mass shootings where the idiot mass shooter chose a non gun free zone…….there hasn't been the problem has there…….normal gun owners have reacted incredibly responsibly in mass shooting attacks……...

Quite a few of the mass shootings in the last few years have been DHS staged events...one of the ways you can always tell is that they were running mass shooter/casualty drills mere days or on the day that this event occurred. Sandy Hook was a massive DHS drill that was presented as a live event. Same with Charleston, S.C and the Virginia TV reporter and they are so poorly pulled of that anyone with a little common sense could see that they were fake.

I'm sorry! Did you just post what I think you did? What kind of conspiracy nut are you?

You need serious psychiatric help!

Nope, I am dead serious and any kind of investigating and searching will show the many holes in the official stories.

 

[JOSweetHeart]

Agree

Problem is there were not enough guns in that theater to respond after the first shot was fired

It was an accident. Returning fire would be stupid as hell.

I disagree because only the person firing the shot will know that it was an accident if it really was an accident. How is everyone else supposed to know that it came from a person who is drunk.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

Because it was one shot….and not anymore…..if it was a mass shooter the shots wouldn't stop. A good indicator that there is a problem in the theater…..

That one shot is still all that it takes to make other shots happen next and if there is going to be one, then we should expect more to follow, just like when one person give their two cents about any subject, expect more pairs of pennies to be thrown down afterwards.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

P.S. It only being one shot is another thing that no one else is going to know except the shooter them self.

Actually, I disagree.

You are sitting in the theater and a loud BANG happens………everyone is startled…a woman cries out…..and then no other shots follow……it would not be reasonable to think that if normal gun owners are in the theater that they would just start shooting…….

Just because no other shots are fired at first means that the shooter is done with whatever their agenda is. Only the shooter knows what their intentions are and since they have made it as clear as crystal glass that they are armed, there is only one way to make sure that they do not do any further damage to innocent people.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

 

[westwall]

Man's gun goes off in theater, hits woman

The incident happened shortly after 8 p.m. PT at the Regal Cinemas at The Landing in Renton.

According to Renton police, a man who appeared intoxicated went to the showing of 13 Hours. Police say the man walked inside the theater with a gun and "accidentally" discharged his weapon, hitting a woman in the theater.

The woman was transported to Harborview Medical Center in Seattle in critical condition, according to firefighters

No. He negligently discharged his weapon and he was also in violation of several laws by carrying a weapon while intoxicated. Sounds like a right proper jackass who will hopefully spend the rest of his life in prison.

 

[rdean]

yup

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by Monica Steiner, Contributing Author​

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It is almost always a crime to possess a firearm while under the influence of alcohol or any controlled substance. Many states also prohibit people from carrying a firearm into establishments that serve liquor (such as bars and nightclubs), even with a concealed carry permit, and even if you are not drinking.
The laws that apply to you depend on the state in which you live. To learn more about the gun laws in your state, see Gun Control Laws, and click the link to your state under the section entitled “Gun Laws by State”.
But I have a concealed carry permit. May I carry my weapon while intoxicated?

Having a concealed carry permit does not give you free reign to carry your weapon at any time or under every circumstance that you wish. Most permits come with a set of places or circumstances where you may not carry your gun, and one circumstance is usually while you are under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
This is the case in Tennessee, where as a concealed carry permit holder, you may have your license suspended for up to three years (in addition to fines and possible jail time) for drinking in an establishment that sells liquor while in possession of your firearm.

[FONT=Proxima Nova Rg Regular, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Is it illegal to possess a firearm while under the influence of alcohol or drugs? | Criminal Law[/FONT]

I looked it up.

It is illegal to carry in a bar in Washington state, but I see no mention of it being illegal to carry while drunk.

Gun laws in Washington - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think it's in Texas where you can carry in bars.

Virginia passed concealed carry in bars,a,year ago......the anti gunners were weepy thinking about all the gun violence from drunk red necks shooting each other....


Do you know what happened......crime in bars went down.........

You can prove that? Can't wait to see the data.

 

[2aguy]

It was an accident. Returning fire would be stupid as hell.

Having a bunch of guns in a dark theater when a shot goes off and idiots assuming a massacre is taking place then randomly shooting at everyone else with a gun is bound to happen.

And yet in crowd situations during mass shootings where the idiot mass shooter chose a non gun free zone…….there hasn't been the problem has there…….normal gun owners have reacted incredibly responsibly in mass shooting attacks……...

So it's safe to assume that you are going to post a direct rebuttal to my statement and stop comparing apples to oranges...or not.

What are you talking about……most theaters are gun free zones……like the Colorado theater shooting so no one except the shooter had a gun……but at the gabby giffords shooting….a very crowded event…you had two concealed carry gun owners and neither one of them just blasted away, or shot innocent people……

Actual mass shooter events with concealed carry permit holders, in the few places that were not gun grabber created gun free zones did not result in people just firing randomly…you are wrong.

Slow down spot...you are confusing yourself. Stop comparing apples to oranges, Gabby was not in a dark crowded theater, your propaganda que card is wrong.
A crowded dark theater full of people with an unknown number of them firing is a recipe for disaster...regardless of how you want to bend common sense.
Here's another asshole who almost got himself and another killed because he substituted his brain with his gun:

"I came out of that store, I clicked the safety off, and I was ready," he explained on Fox and Friends. "I had my hand on my gun. I had it in my jacket pocket here. And I came around the corner like this." Zamudio demonstrated how his shooting hand was wrapped around the weapon, poised to draw and fire. As he rounded the corner, he saw a man holding a gun. "And that's who I at first thought was the shooter," Zamudio recalled. "I told him to 'Drop it, drop it!' "
But the man with the gun wasn't the shooter. He had wrested the gun away from the shooter. "Had you shot that guy, it would have been a big, fat mess," the interviewer pointed out.

The Arizona Daily Star, based on its interview with Zamudio, adds two details to the story. First, upon seeing the man with the gun, Zamudio "grabbed his arm and shoved him into a wall" before realizing he wasn't the shooter. And second, one reason why Zamudio didn't pull out his own weapon was that "he didn't want to be confused as a second gunman."
This is a much more dangerous picture than has generally been reported. Zamudio had released his safety and was poised to fire when he saw what he thought was the killer still holding his weapon. Zamudio had a split second to decide whether to shoot. He was sufficiently convinced of the killer's identity to shove the man into a wall. But Zamudio didn't use his gun. That's how close he came to killing an innocent man. He was, as he acknowledges, "very lucky."

Yeah....and notice the whole point.....he didn't shoot.....let me repeat that again twit.......he came out and did not shoot the guy he thought was the shooter, he calmly disarmed him....and let me repeat....in the midst of the chaos of a political meet and greet with people running away from the shooter, he sees someone with a gun who could be the shooter.......and did not shoot him...

This shows that you are wrong.....he did not shoot even in the midst of all that chaos with an actual shooter on the loose....he reacted responsibly and took care of the situation....and did not shoot the other guy......

Everything he did shows that you are wrong...he took into account the situation, did not increase the problem and had the guy been the shooter he would have dealt with him...

So how does this post in any way support your point?

 

[2aguy]

Very sad. Sounds like a drunken fool.

I hope the woman survives.

I worry a lot about drunken fools who are driving.

We take away their driving license

What do we do with armed drunks?

---
Do we need more gov regulation to keep our streets/theaters/etc safe for the general public?
And our homes safe from phone marketers, scammers, & hackers?

It's sad that we, the RESPONSIBLE citizens, are losing our personal freedoms due to the recklessness & stupidity of small minorities.
Each mature citizen should have full freedom ... until convicted of crime.
Innocent until proven guilty.
However, catching a criminal is not always easy ...

With tech advancements, and the trend toward IoT (Internet of Things), i can see law enforcement improving with "smart chips". Guns could be sold with tiny smart chips that would match a chip ID in a driver's license or permit.
Of course, this does not prevent criminals from using unregistered guns, until old guns are discovered & removed from societies ... in a few hundred years ... and we continue to lose our privacy.

Just enjoying random thoughts about how tech is changing our lives, for better and worse.

.

Do we need drunken assholes thinking they need to protect us filling our movie theaters?

No, but normal gun owners would be helpful since these mass shooters target gun free zones....like the Colorado theater shooter...who chose the theater because his initial choice of target...an Airport...had armed security..the theater did not and was a gun free zone. You can read it in his notes which the police released....

 

[2aguy]

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by Monica Steiner, Contributing Author​

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It is almost always a crime to possess a firearm while under the influence of alcohol or any controlled substance. Many states also prohibit people from carrying a firearm into establishments that serve liquor (such as bars and nightclubs), even with a concealed carry permit, and even if you are not drinking.
The laws that apply to you depend on the state in which you live. To learn more about the gun laws in your state, see Gun Control Laws, and click the link to your state under the section entitled “Gun Laws by State”.
But I have a concealed carry permit. May I carry my weapon while intoxicated?

Having a concealed carry permit does not give you free reign to carry your weapon at any time or under every circumstance that you wish. Most permits come with a set of places or circumstances where you may not carry your gun, and one circumstance is usually while you are under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
This is the case in Tennessee, where as a concealed carry permit holder, you may have your license suspended for up to three years (in addition to fines and possible jail time) for drinking in an establishment that sells liquor while in possession of your firearm.

[FONT=Proxima Nova Rg Regular, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Is it illegal to possess a firearm while under the influence of alcohol or drugs? | Criminal Law[/FONT]

I looked it up.

It is illegal to carry in a bar in Washington state, but I see no mention of it being illegal to carry while drunk.

Gun laws in Washington - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think it's in Texas where you can carry in bars.

Virginia passed concealed carry in bars,a,year ago......the anti gunners were weepy thinking about all the gun violence from drunk red necks shooting each other....


Do you know what happened......crime in bars went down.........

You can prove that? Can't wait to see the data.

You can prove that? Can't wait to see the data

Yep....here is the news article on Virginia allowing concealed carry in bars...

http://www.wnd.com/2011/08/334117/

When Virginia passed a law allowing concealed carry in bars and alcohol-serving restaurants beginning July 1 of last year, opponents of the change decried the dangers of mixing guns and alcohol, for fear violent crimes would escalate.

But one year later, the Richmond Times-Dispatch did a study to see if the gloomy prognostications came true.

According to state police records, not only did gun violence in bars and restaurants not increase under the new law, it decreased by 5.2 percent.


In fact, of the 145 reported crimes with guns that occurred in Virginia bars and restaurants in fiscal 2010-11 (compared to 153 incidents in the year before the new law took effect), only two of the aggravated assault cases were related to concealed-carry permit holders.

In one incident, the crime took place at a restaurant that didn’t serve alcohol – thus unrelated to the new law – and in the other, the weapon was neither discharged nor withdrawn from its holster.

“The numbers basically just confirm what we’ve said would happen if the General Assembly changed the law,” Philip Van Cleave, president of the pro-gun Virginia Citizens Defense League, told the Times-Dispatch.

“Keep in mind what the other side was saying – that this was going to be a blood bath, that restaurants will be dangerous and people will stop going. But there was nothing to base the fear-mongering on.”

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2011/08/334117/#oYSskw0dy5eAyXbX.99

 

[2aguy]

It was an accident. Returning fire would be stupid as hell.

Having a bunch of guns in a dark theater when a shot goes off and idiots assuming a massacre is taking place then randomly shooting at everyone else with a gun is bound to happen.

And yet in crowd situations during mass shootings where the idiot mass shooter chose a non gun free zone…….there hasn't been the problem has there…….normal gun owners have reacted incredibly responsibly in mass shooting attacks……...

So it's safe to assume that you are going to post a direct rebuttal to my statement and stop comparing apples to oranges...or not.

What are you talking about……most theaters are gun free zones……like the Colorado theater shooting so no one except the shooter had a gun……but at the gabby giffords shooting….a very crowded event…you had two concealed carry gun owners and neither one of them just blasted away, or shot innocent people……

Actual mass shooter events with concealed carry permit holders, in the few places that were not gun grabber created gun free zones did not result in people just firing randomly…you are wrong.

Slow down spot...you are confusing yourself. Stop comparing apples to oranges, Gabby was not in a dark crowded theater, your propaganda que card is wrong.
A crowded dark theater full of people with an unknown number of them firing is a recipe for disaster...regardless of how you want to bend common sense.
Here's another asshole who almost got himself and another killed because he substituted his brain with his gun:

"I came out of that store, I clicked the safety off, and I was ready," he explained on Fox and Friends. "I had my hand on my gun. I had it in my jacket pocket here. And I came around the corner like this." Zamudio demonstrated how his shooting hand was wrapped around the weapon, poised to draw and fire. As he rounded the corner, he saw a man holding a gun. "And that's who I at first thought was the shooter," Zamudio recalled. "I told him to 'Drop it, drop it!' "
But the man with the gun wasn't the shooter. He had wrested the gun away from the shooter. "Had you shot that guy, it would have been a big, fat mess," the interviewer pointed out.

The Arizona Daily Star, based on its interview with Zamudio, adds two details to the story. First, upon seeing the man with the gun, Zamudio "grabbed his arm and shoved him into a wall" before realizing he wasn't the shooter. And second, one reason why Zamudio didn't pull out his own weapon was that "he didn't want to be confused as a second gunman."
This is a much more dangerous picture than has generally been reported. Zamudio had released his safety and was poised to fire when he saw what he thought was the killer still holding his weapon. Zamudio had a split second to decide whether to shoot. He was sufficiently convinced of the killer's identity to shove the man into a wall. But Zamudio didn't use his gun. That's how close he came to killing an innocent man. He was, as he acknowledges, "very lucky."

It was an accident. Returning fire would be stupid as hell.

Having a bunch of guns in a dark theater when a shot goes off and idiots assuming a massacre is taking place then randomly shooting at everyone else with a gun is bound to happen.

And yet in crowd situations during mass shootings where the idiot mass shooter chose a non gun free zone…….there hasn't been the problem has there…….normal gun owners have reacted incredibly responsibly in mass shooting attacks……...

So it's safe to assume that you are going to post a direct rebuttal to my statement and stop comparing apples to oranges...or not.

What are you talking about……most theaters are gun free zones……like the Colorado theater shooting so no one except the shooter had a gun……but at the gabby giffords shooting….a very crowded event…you had two concealed carry gun owners and neither one of them just blasted away, or shot innocent people……

Actual mass shooter events with concealed carry permit holders, in the few places that were not gun grabber created gun free zones did not result in people just firing randomly…you are wrong.

Slow down spot...you are confusing yourself. Stop comparing apples to oranges, Gabby was not in a dark crowded theater, your propaganda que card is wrong.
A crowded dark theater full of people with an unknown number of them firing is a recipe for disaster...regardless of how you want to bend common sense.
Here's another asshole who almost got himself and another killed because he substituted his brain with his gun:

"I came out of that store, I clicked the safety off, and I was ready," he explained on Fox and Friends. "I had my hand on my gun. I had it in my jacket pocket here. And I came around the corner like this." Zamudio demonstrated how his shooting hand was wrapped around the weapon, poised to draw and fire. As he rounded the corner, he saw a man holding a gun. "And that's who I at first thought was the shooter," Zamudio recalled. "I told him to 'Drop it, drop it!' "
But the man with the gun wasn't the shooter. He had wrested the gun away from the shooter. "Had you shot that guy, it would have been a big, fat mess," the interviewer pointed out.

The Arizona Daily Star, based on its interview with Zamudio, adds two details to the story. First, upon seeing the man with the gun, Zamudio "grabbed his arm and shoved him into a wall" before realizing he wasn't the shooter. And second, one reason why Zamudio didn't pull out his own weapon was that "he didn't want to be confused as a second gunman."
This is a much more dangerous picture than has generally been reported. Zamudio had released his safety and was poised to fire when he saw what he thought was the killer still holding his weapon. Zamudio had a split second to decide whether to shoot. He was sufficiently convinced of the killer's identity to shove the man into a wall. But Zamudio didn't use his gun. That's how close he came to killing an innocent man. He was, as he acknowledges, "very lucky."

And here is some more of the actual shooting at a crowded political event.........Zamudio did the right things in the midst of chaos...

The Tucson Atrocity: Joe Zamudio’s StoryAmerican Handgunner | American Handgunner

Zamudio had long kept a gun in his car. The previous August, when buying a Ruger P95 9mm, he had learned from the gun dealer that Arizona had legalized permit-less carry, and from that day on had worn the Ruger constantly. Left-handed, he was carrying it that day, butt forward in the inside right breast pocket of his jacket, fully loaded with 16 rounds.
Zamudio continued, “I reached into my pocket, put my hand on my pistol, took the safety off, and ran down the sidewalk (toward the shooting scene). That’s when I saw a group of people wrestling with (Loughner).

The first thing I focused on was the man closest to me. His back was to me. He raised up with a Glock in his hand, open, magazine sticking out. In that second I decided that because the gun was open, I didn’t have to shoot him. I immediately grabbed him by the wrist, turned the gun in toward him, told him to drop the weapon. He did.

So again......how does any of that story support your point.....all it does is show that you are wrong....

 

[2aguy]

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by Monica Steiner, Contributing Author​

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It is almost always a crime to possess a firearm while under the influence of alcohol or any controlled substance. Many states also prohibit people from carrying a firearm into establishments that serve liquor (such as bars and nightclubs), even with a concealed carry permit, and even if you are not drinking.
The laws that apply to you depend on the state in which you live. To learn more about the gun laws in your state, see Gun Control Laws, and click the link to your state under the section entitled “Gun Laws by State”.
But I have a concealed carry permit. May I carry my weapon while intoxicated?

Having a concealed carry permit does not give you free reign to carry your weapon at any time or under every circumstance that you wish. Most permits come with a set of places or circumstances where you may not carry your gun, and one circumstance is usually while you are under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
This is the case in Tennessee, where as a concealed carry permit holder, you may have your license suspended for up to three years (in addition to fines and possible jail time) for drinking in an establishment that sells liquor while in possession of your firearm.

[FONT=Proxima Nova Rg Regular, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Is it illegal to possess a firearm while under the influence of alcohol or drugs? | Criminal Law[/FONT]

I looked it up.

It is illegal to carry in a bar in Washington state, but I see no mention of it being illegal to carry while drunk.

Gun laws in Washington - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think it's in Texas where you can carry in bars.

Virginia passed concealed carry in bars,a,year ago......the anti gunners were weepy thinking about all the gun violence from drunk red necks shooting each other....


Do you know what happened......crime in bars went down.........

You can prove that? Can't wait to see the data.

And here you go.....you can call the Richmond Times-Dispatch if you want more information.....

Gun crimes drop at Virginia bars and restaurants

The number of major crimes involving firearms at bars and restaurants statewide declined 5.2 percent from July 1, 2010, to June 30, 2011, compared with the fiscal year before the law went into effect, according to crime data compiled by Virginia State Police at the newspaper's request.

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At The Times-Dispatch's request, state police pulled from their computerized database all major crimes at bars and restaurants reported by local law-enforcement agencies across Virginia for two successive fiscal years. The Times-Dispatch then contacted more than a dozen police departments in Virginia for more detailed information on all aggravated assaults, homicides and sexual assaults involving firearms at those businesses.
Reported robberies were not analyzed because they tend to involve premeditated crimes by perpetrators openly displaying guns, and many of the affected businesses are chain restaurants that don't serve alcohol.
Only two fatal shootings occurred during the last fiscal year — one outside a Petersburg nightclub and the other at a Radford restaurant — but neither involved concealed-gun permit holders. And only two of the 18 aggravated assaults reported could be linked definitively to concealed-carry holders.
Several other cases appear to have involved hidden guns, but the suspects either didn't have a concealed permit, or they fled the scene before they could be identified and arrested.
One of the few unambiguous cases of a concealed-gun permit holder breaking the law occurred on July 28, 2010 — 27 days after the law became active — at a deli in York County. In that case, a patron who had been drinking heavily with a gun concealed in his pocket allegedly sexually harassed a female waitress and, at one point, placed his hand over his hidden gun so the waitress could see its outline.
After making a comment the waitress construed as a threat, the man left but was stopped a short time later by police. They recovered a .380-caliber pistol from his pants pocket and charged him with driving under the influence, brandishing a firearm and carrying a concealed weapon.
He was charged with the latter offense — even though he had a permit to carry the gun — because he had been drinking in the deli while in possession of a concealed firearm. The law forbids concealed-gun permit holders to drink alcohol while they are inside bars and restaurants with guns hidden from view. Patrons who legally carry firearms openly into bars and restaurants can drink freely.
Authorities confiscated the man's concealed-gun permit, but the brandishing and concealed weapon charges were eventually withdrawn by prosecutors. He was convicted of driving while drunk.
In another case closer to home, a Hopewell man with a concealed-carry permit was arrested in June after police said he brandished a gun in the parking lot of a chain restaurant after a verbal dispute escalated into a fight among several patrons. No shots were fired, but punches were thrown.
Although the man pulled a concealed weapon during the fight, the new law didn't really apply because the restaurant where the incident occurred doesn't serve alcohol. The man was convicted last month of brandishing the gun — which he appealed — and a malicious-wounding charge was certified to a Hopewell grand jury.
Aside from the two homicides, the only assault that resulted in a person being shot occurred in February outside a Virginia Beach restaurant and bar. The shooting followed an altercation inside the restaurant. Several unknown men were asked to leave, and the victim was shot and wounded as he walked toward a male in an adjacent parking lot, police said.
But because the suspect was never identified and arrested, police don't know whether the shooter was carrying a concealed gun or whether he had a permit to carry it.

 

[2aguy]

And a major point to be taken from the Virginia experience........they handled all gun crimes that did take place in bars with existing laws.......licensing gun owners had nothing to do with their ability to arrest law breakers, registering guns did not stop the crimes that were committed or help them to solve them and Universal Background Checks wouldn't have stopped any of them either.....

Existing laws handled all of the crimes....

 

[reconmark]

Having a bunch of guns in a dark theater when a shot goes off and idiots assuming a massacre is taking place then randomly shooting at everyone else with a gun is bound to happen.

And yet in crowd situations during mass shootings where the idiot mass shooter chose a non gun free zone…….there hasn't been the problem has there…….normal gun owners have reacted incredibly responsibly in mass shooting attacks……...

So it's safe to assume that you are going to post a direct rebuttal to my statement and stop comparing apples to oranges...or not.

What are you talking about……most theaters are gun free zones……like the Colorado theater shooting so no one except the shooter had a gun……but at the gabby giffords shooting….a very crowded event…you had two concealed carry gun owners and neither one of them just blasted away, or shot innocent people……

Actual mass shooter events with concealed carry permit holders, in the few places that were not gun grabber created gun free zones did not result in people just firing randomly…you are wrong.

Slow down spot...you are confusing yourself. Stop comparing apples to oranges, Gabby was not in a dark crowded theater, your propaganda que card is wrong.
A crowded dark theater full of people with an unknown number of them firing is a recipe for disaster...regardless of how you want to bend common sense.
Here's another asshole who almost got himself and another killed because he substituted his brain with his gun:

"I came out of that store, I clicked the safety off, and I was ready," he explained on Fox and Friends. "I had my hand on my gun. I had it in my jacket pocket here. And I came around the corner like this." Zamudio demonstrated how his shooting hand was wrapped around the weapon, poised to draw and fire. As he rounded the corner, he saw a man holding a gun. "And that's who I at first thought was the shooter," Zamudio recalled. "I told him to 'Drop it, drop it!' "
But the man with the gun wasn't the shooter. He had wrested the gun away from the shooter. "Had you shot that guy, it would have been a big, fat mess," the interviewer pointed out.

The Arizona Daily Star, based on its interview with Zamudio, adds two details to the story. First, upon seeing the man with the gun, Zamudio "grabbed his arm and shoved him into a wall" before realizing he wasn't the shooter. And second, one reason why Zamudio didn't pull out his own weapon was that "he didn't want to be confused as a second gunman."
This is a much more dangerous picture than has generally been reported. Zamudio had released his safety and was poised to fire when he saw what he thought was the killer still holding his weapon. Zamudio had a split second to decide whether to shoot. He was sufficiently convinced of the killer's identity to shove the man into a wall. But Zamudio didn't use his gun. That's how close he came to killing an innocent man. He was, as he acknowledges, "very lucky."

Yeah....and notice the whole point.....he didn't shoot.....let me repeat that again twit.......he came out and did not shoot the guy he thought was the shooter, he calmly disarmed him....and let me repeat....in the midst of the chaos of a political meet and greet with people running away from the shooter, he sees someone with a gun who could be the shooter.......and did not shoot him...

This shows that you are wrong.....he did not shoot even in the midst of all that chaos with an actual shooter on the loose....he reacted responsibly and took care of the situation....and did not shoot the other guy......

Everything he did shows that you are wrong...he took into account the situation, did not increase the problem and had the guy been the shooter he would have dealt with him...

So how does this post in any way support your point?

The Arizona Daily Star, based on its interview with Zamudio, adds two details to the story. First, upon seeing the man with the gun, Zamudio "grabbed his arm and shoved him into a wall" before realizing he wasn't the shooter.

Yes, very calmly...lol....you idiot, a gun is no excuse for you to be this stupid.
Stupid people like you would do as this idiot did, walk around with his finger on the trigger and assume the first person he saw with a gun must be the criminal, he failed to shoot, not as claim, was due to hos calm under pressure, it was because he thought some other idiot like himself and you with a finger on the trigger might blow him away.
His stupidity drew a lucky break that day and you claim it was due to his superior situational awareness.
Stop masturbating to firearms...they can't stroke you back.[/FONT]

 

[jon_berzerk]

Man's gun goes off in theater, hits woman

The incident happened shortly after 8 p.m. PT at the Regal Cinemas at The Landing in Renton.

According to Renton police, a man who appeared intoxicated went to the showing of 13 Hours. Police say the man walked inside the theater with a gun and "accidentally" discharged his weapon, hitting a woman in the theater.

The woman was transported to Harborview Medical Center in Seattle in critical condition, according to firefighters

in most states it is unlawful to have a firearm when intoxicated

so your not showing a good guy with a gun

Everyone is a good guy with a gun....until they turn into a bad guy
Takes a split second

Wrong….90% of people who use guns to murder other people and to commit crime have long histories of violence and long criminal arrest records. It is a lie to say that the owners of over 357 million guns are just a split second away from shooting people…….

There were 8,124 gun murders in 2014, the majority were violent criminals murdering other violent criminals…..

Americans use guns 1.5 million times a year to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives…according to bill clinton and barak obama research…..


which number is bigger….can you tell?

Normal gun owners do not just shoot people…..a violent criminal sub culture in our inner cities, nurtured by democrat social and law enforcement policy does…..

A normal gun owner dropped his gun in a theater and DID shoot someone who is in critical condition. Granted he was drunk, but that's not abnormal (at least not around here). He was not a violent criminal in your inner city nurtured by Democrats. I think the point is, it is not as absolute as your posts sometimes seem to be. The OP is one example of what gun grabbers fear if more and more of the population is armed.

Granted he was drunk, but that's not abnormal

it is abnormal and unlawful in most states

 

[jon_berzerk]

Is it?

yup

Link?

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here is just a random one

by Monica Steiner, Contributing Author​

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It is almost always a crime to possess a firearm while under the influence of alcohol or any controlled substance. Many states also prohibit people from carrying a firearm into establishments that serve liquor (such as bars and nightclubs), even with a concealed carry permit, and even if you are not drinking.
The laws that apply to you depend on the state in which you live. To learn more about the gun laws in your state, see Gun Control Laws, and click the link to your state under the section entitled “Gun Laws by State”.
But I have a concealed carry permit. May I carry my weapon while intoxicated?

Having a concealed carry permit does not give you free reign to carry your weapon at any time or under every circumstance that you wish. Most permits come with a set of places or circumstances where you may not carry your gun, and one circumstance is usually while you are under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
This is the case in Tennessee, where as a concealed carry permit holder, you may have your license suspended for up to three years (in addition to fines and possible jail time) for drinking in an establishment that sells liquor while in possession of your firearm.

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I looked it up.

It is illegal to carry in a bar in Washington state, but I see no mention of it being illegal to carry while drunk.

Gun laws in Washington - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think it's in Texas where you can carry in bars.

Tennessee
Arizona
Georgia
Virginia

a bunch of other states allow cc in restaurants that serve alcohol

 

[2aguy]

And yet in crowd situations during mass shootings where the idiot mass shooter chose a non gun free zone…….there hasn't been the problem has there…….normal gun owners have reacted incredibly responsibly in mass shooting attacks……...

So it's safe to assume that you are going to post a direct rebuttal to my statement and stop comparing apples to oranges...or not.

What are you talking about……most theaters are gun free zones……like the Colorado theater shooting so no one except the shooter had a gun……but at the gabby giffords shooting….a very crowded event…you had two concealed carry gun owners and neither one of them just blasted away, or shot innocent people……

Actual mass shooter events with concealed carry permit holders, in the few places that were not gun grabber created gun free zones did not result in people just firing randomly…you are wrong.

Slow down spot...you are confusing yourself. Stop comparing apples to oranges, Gabby was not in a dark crowded theater, your propaganda que card is wrong.
A crowded dark theater full of people with an unknown number of them firing is a recipe for disaster...regardless of how you want to bend common sense.
Here's another asshole who almost got himself and another killed because he substituted his brain with his gun:

"I came out of that store, I clicked the safety off, and I was ready," he explained on Fox and Friends. "I had my hand on my gun. I had it in my jacket pocket here. And I came around the corner like this." Zamudio demonstrated how his shooting hand was wrapped around the weapon, poised to draw and fire. As he rounded the corner, he saw a man holding a gun. "And that's who I at first thought was the shooter," Zamudio recalled. "I told him to 'Drop it, drop it!' "
But the man with the gun wasn't the shooter. He had wrested the gun away from the shooter. "Had you shot that guy, it would have been a big, fat mess," the interviewer pointed out.

The Arizona Daily Star, based on its interview with Zamudio, adds two details to the story. First, upon seeing the man with the gun, Zamudio "grabbed his arm and shoved him into a wall" before realizing he wasn't the shooter. And second, one reason why Zamudio didn't pull out his own weapon was that "he didn't want to be confused as a second gunman."
This is a much more dangerous picture than has generally been reported. Zamudio had released his safety and was poised to fire when he saw what he thought was the killer still holding his weapon. Zamudio had a split second to decide whether to shoot. He was sufficiently convinced of the killer's identity to shove the man into a wall. But Zamudio didn't use his gun. That's how close he came to killing an innocent man. He was, as he acknowledges, "very lucky."

Yeah....and notice the whole point.....he didn't shoot.....let me repeat that again twit.......he came out and did not shoot the guy he thought was the shooter, he calmly disarmed him....and let me repeat....in the midst of the chaos of a political meet and greet with people running away from the shooter, he sees someone with a gun who could be the shooter.......and did not shoot him...

This shows that you are wrong.....he did not shoot even in the midst of all that chaos with an actual shooter on the loose....he reacted responsibly and took care of the situation....and did not shoot the other guy......

Everything he did shows that you are wrong...he took into account the situation, did not increase the problem and had the guy been the shooter he would have dealt with him...

So how does this post in any way support your point?

The Arizona Daily Star, based on its interview with Zamudio, adds two details to the story. First, upon seeing the man with the gun, Zamudio "grabbed his arm and shoved him into a wall" before realizing he wasn't the shooter.

Yes, very calmly...lol....you idiot, a gun is no excuse for you to be this stupid.
Stupid people like you would do as this idiot did, walk around with his finger on the trigger and assume the first person he saw with a gun must be the criminal, he failed to shoot, not as claim, was due to hos calm under pressure, it was because he thought some other idiot like himself and you with a finger on the trigger might blow him away.
His stupidity drew a lucky break that day and you claim it was due to his superior situational awareness.
Stop masturbating to firearms...they can't stroke you back.[/FONT]

What part of the story is just not getting through to you....you claimed that concealed carry gun owners would just start blazing away and no one would know who was who and bullets would be flying.

You point to this guy at the Giffords shooting to make your point....but you simply show there were two concealed carry shooters....both of them had their guns ready to go...assessed the situation, and neither one of them started blasting away, they both decided not to shoot which was the appropriate thing to do....

They did the right thing in both cases, which completely negates the point you were trying to make.

He wasn't stupid, neither of them was, they both did the right thing in the middle of chaos, which you said was not possible for normal people in that situation.

Pick your examples better because this one proves you wrong...twice.

 

[2aguy]

yup

Link?

there are lots of links showing so

here is just a random one

by Monica Steiner, Contributing Author​

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It is almost always a crime to possess a firearm while under the influence of alcohol or any controlled substance. Many states also prohibit people from carrying a firearm into establishments that serve liquor (such as bars and nightclubs), even with a concealed carry permit, and even if you are not drinking.
The laws that apply to you depend on the state in which you live. To learn more about the gun laws in your state, see Gun Control Laws, and click the link to your state under the section entitled “Gun Laws by State”.
But I have a concealed carry permit. May I carry my weapon while intoxicated?

Having a concealed carry permit does not give you free reign to carry your weapon at any time or under every circumstance that you wish. Most permits come with a set of places or circumstances where you may not carry your gun, and one circumstance is usually while you are under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
This is the case in Tennessee, where as a concealed carry permit holder, you may have your license suspended for up to three years (in addition to fines and possible jail time) for drinking in an establishment that sells liquor while in possession of your firearm.

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I looked it up.

It is illegal to carry in a bar in Washington state, but I see no mention of it being illegal to carry while drunk.

Gun laws in Washington - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think it's in Texas where you can carry in bars.

Tennessee
Arizona
Georgia
Virginia

a bunch of other states allow cc in restaurants that serve alcohol

Yes.....wasn't it the Luby's Cafe shooting and Suzanah Gratia Hupp who lost her parent's in the shooting who lobbied the Texas legislature to change the concealed carry law?

She was required by law to leave her gun in her car because Luby's served alcohol.....making it one of the first big cases of a gun free zone becoming a killing zone, when the guy drove his truck through the window and came out of his truck murdering people....including her 2 parents....

She also said had she had her gun, she had a direct opportunity to shoot the guy, but couldn't because the gun free zone disarmed her.....