As many as 10 dead in shooting at Batman premiere in Denver: reports

[bigrebnc1775]

Is that a Mosin (with the stripper in the receiver)?

No that's an SKS

This is a Mosin Nagant

Okay.

You have a nice collection. All in good condition.

Those aren't mine but I do have one of each.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Not comparing anything with anything, but rather adressing the ways in which to help stop a mass killing (yes the wounded are also included in the numbers as well, so it best not to try and water down the numbers with just ten killed), from being so efficient and precise by a radical killer in these ways.

Newpolitics used the term cost benefit analysis. Unless you want to fracking defend his position stay the frack out of a conversation you are not paying attention to.

To not explore ways to stop this without banning weapons or guns from responsible citizens as being the key always, is to place ones head in the sand until the day comes when the liberals finally reach their fictional blissful state of government being in total control, in which they think is somehow a good thing, in which they hope for someday to come out of all of this.

More people die as a result of car accidents than gun violence. Do you know of anyone that has ever called for a ban of cars as a result of someone doing something stupid with them? Does anyone demand that the government do background checks on drivers every time someone runs a red light and kills a child? Does anyone demand that they keep crazy people from buying a car?

Until you are willing to treat cars like guns you have no business discussing the issues here. I want everyone to be able to buy a gun as easily as they buy a car.

Hmmmm, I may need to re-clarify a statement in which I wrote or make it better understood than what I did when wrote it - It should have read "To not explore ways to stop these acts without having to ban weapons or guns from responsible citizens, should be the key and goal always to keeping our rights to bare or own firearms" - It should be interpreted in this way.... By not exploring ways to keep guns out of the hands of the bad guys or using technology to protect gun ownership for the good guy's, we will lose our ability to keep the guns in which we desire to keep eventually, by a government who would over reach it's boundaries, because we refuse to do what is needed ourselves to help in these situations or areas in which are getting out of control.

The statement above was not to ban weapons or guns from responsible citizens, but rather to help to keep our gun rights, by thinking of ways to always make them safer and more out of reach from the bad guy's. I can see how it may have been taken wrong in the way that I had wrote or phrased the statement or sentence after re-read by me, so sorry if I had created a bit of confusion yall.

There is no way to keep guns out of the hands of bad guys, any attempt to do so will result in taking them away from law abiding citizens.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The best smart technology to emplore first on weapons, would be a tracking device built into it, that is linked to a super computer back at central dispatch in all major cities (just like the ON-Star system that is in GM vehicles now). The device would alert dispatch by way of a flag being lit up red up on a screen once the gun is discharged. At the same time GPS would be activated giving the exact location of the address and person that discharged the weapon or gun.

All registered weapons would be brought to a designated location for GPS to be mounted on board the weapon free, and all confiscated weapons found in crimes or picked up off of the street will be introduced to the technology as well, and then re-sold to responsible gun owners with the new technology on board. The stock could be where the batteries will go that will operate the new technology (keeping the gun on line). These batteries would be kept current just like the batteries in ones smoke alarm or security system. If a gun goes off grid due to low batteries and such, then a call will be generated by dispatch, in order to find out what has happend to it.

Gun ranges and other authorized locations for shooting weapons could be listed on screen, and this would be in order that these locations would be accepted as proper locations for the guns to be used without prompting a response by dispatch once see the location of the gun being fired or a gun owner could simply call in the location prior to use. A temporary number/permit could be assigned to him or her for the location whether it is for hunting, skeet or target practice, where as a registration would be looked up and the authorization would be granted for that location if everything checks out properly.

If a gun is stolen, immediately it would be located by dispatch, where next an alert would be sounded to police in the area of the weapon's location.

If the tracking device is attemped to be removed without a proper tool or athorized method, the gun would be rendered non-usable or non-operational due to this attempt.

These are win win situations for legal responsible gun owners and law enforcement in battling this kind of epidemic going on in this nation now.

Just...no. And I say that as someone whose home was burglarized 18 years ago and some guns were stolen.

I don't even like the fact that my phone can function as a tracking device. As long as I'm not breaking any laws, I don't want the government's nose up my ass.

What about the citizens running the program then ?

Nope.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Just...no. And I say that as someone whose home was burglarized 18 years ago and some guns were stolen.

I don't even like the fact that my phone can function as a tracking device. As long as I'm not breaking any laws, I don't want the government's nose up my ass.

Phones and guns are not the same issue, but I take your point... It shouldn't excuse you however, from having a solutional based thinking on this topic, so do you have any ideas to add that could help, or are you just concerned about yourself and your guns ?

Today I heard someone blame movies & TV shows for the killings; anything but the guns.

Why blame anyone or anything but the person that does the killing?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The guns don't kill anyone.
The bloody idiots who feel the need to be tooled up kill people.

Private gun ownership is a relic from the wild west and should be stopped right now.
The very fact that this madman can legal buy the guns he used to kill is proof enough.

The gun lobby claim gun crime won't stop if you take guns away from the US public.
This is true but it'll stop a lot of it and would probably have saved the lost lives in this terrible event.

Isn't that enough?

Or it could have resulted in something worse because he would have been forced to use explosives instead of guns.

 

[Dr Grump]

Funny how you want to push your foreign beliefs on us Americans.

Why don't you mind your own fucken business?

Wonder how the Japanese, Iraqis and Afghani's feel about your thoughts...

..Moron...

 

[Ariux]

The Swiss have the right idea about firearms » Evansville Courier & Press

Although, the Swiss need to stop letting in those f-ing colds (coons) from Africa. These "immigrants" are a crime wave and in Switzerland, the majority of crimes are committed by non-Swiss.

We're upset that some cracker shot up a move theater (killing a bunch of white people), while Afros run around and kill more than that every day.

 

[bripat9643]

Would this have happened if guns were banned in the US?

Are you brain dead? How many people were killed with guns in DC before the gun ban was lifted?

Australia banned the sale of guns after the Port Arthur massacre. Since then, we have no more mass shootings. Yet America suffers a mass shooting every week, it would appear - why is that?

America has 10 times the population of Australia, you dolt.

 

[Ariux]

Doesn't this shooter look a bit like a young Jew?

 

[IndependntLogic]

Would this have happened if guns were banned in the US?

Yes - if the ban wasn't enforced and the penalties for those actually prosecuted were zilch - which is pretty much the case here.
I'll give you an example or two and then the opposing views on what makes sense.
In Arizona, you can buy 50 AR-15 assault rifles and ten minutes later, sell them to a guy who has been convicted of murder - as long as you don't ask him about it and therefore, don't know he is a convicted murderer.
In Los Angeles, police can pull over a known member of the Crips, Bloods or other gang - find him wearing a wig and disguise and carrying an illegally purchased gun. As long as he hasn't been convicted of a felony yet, he'll plea bargain out in an hour because he hasn't actually killed somone... yet.
As long as you can pass the background check one time, you can become an arms dealer without owning a store or anything. You have less than a 1% chance of ever being investigated. Then you can sell pistols, sniper rifles, assault rifles, silencers (ecause you know, that's so necessary for defense) and whatever. Do these people sell guns illegally? Duh.
So it's not a matter of laws. It's a matter of enforcement.
Extreme Liberals have a solution to America's Gun Violence Problem: They want to ban all guns but they are fairly rare.
Moderate LibDems, Moderates and Indies Liberals have a solution to America's Gun Violence Problem: They think gun ownershio is fine but carrying machine guns into the kindergarten or better yet, the bar where you go get drunk, is just plain foolish. I agree. I own a gun but don't take it to the movies or anywhere in the city. It's at home.
Conservatives Liberals have a solution to America's Gun Violence Problem: More guns. I'm not kidding. Oh and less laws. If our laws and their enforcement is too weak now, the solution is to make even less of them. You'll hear cute little chants they've been taught like "If guns are illegal only criminals wil have guns." Well duh. And if child porn is illegal, only criminals will have child porn. So should we make it legal? The anti-logic of this is almost amusing. Oh well. They really do buy it.
My favorite one is when they compare gun ownership to owning a car. Unreal.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Doesn't this shooter look a bit like a young Jew?

Fuck you

 

[Ariux]

Doesn't this shooter look a bit like a young Jew?

Fuck you

I take that as a "yes". If you were getting off a plane in Israel and saw 24yr old Israeli male, you'd expect him to look something like this.

There are many things about him that suggests jewish heritage, even if not his nominal religion.

 

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[bigrebnc1775]

Doesn't this shooter look a bit like a young Jew?

Fuck you

I take that as a "yes". If you were getting off a plane in Israel and saw 24yr old Israeli male, you'd expect him to look something like this.

There are many things about him that suggests jewish heritage, even if not his nominal religion.

I mean really fuck you.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Would this have happened if guns were banned in the US?

Yes - if the ban wasn't enforced and the penalties for those actually prosecuted were zilch - which is pretty much the case here.
I'll give you an example or two and then the opposing views on what makes sense.
In Arizona, you can buy 50 AR-15 assault rifles and ten minutes later, sell them to a guy who has been convicted of murder - as long as you don't ask him about it and therefore, don't know he is a convicted murderer.
In Los Angeles, police can pull over a known member of the Crips, Bloods or other gang - find him wearing a wig and disguise and carrying an illegally purchased gun. As long as he hasn't been convicted of a felony yet, he'll plea bargain out in an hour because he hasn't actually killed somone... yet.
As long as you can pass the background check one time, you can become an arms dealer without owning a store or anything. You have less than a 1% chance of ever being investigated. Then you can sell pistols, sniper rifles, assault rifles, silencers (ecause you know, that's so necessary for defense) and whatever. Do these people sell guns illegally? Duh.
So it's not a matter of laws. It's a matter of enforcement.
Extreme Liberals have a solution to America's Gun Violence Problem: They want to ban all guns but they are fairly rare.
Moderate LibDems, Moderates and Indies Liberals have a solution to America's Gun Violence Problem: They think gun ownershio is fine but carrying machine guns into the kindergarten or better yet, the bar where you go get drunk, is just plain foolish. I agree. I own a gun but don't take it to the movies or anywhere in the city. It's at home.
Conservatives Liberals have a solution to America's Gun Violence Problem: More guns. I'm not kidding. Oh and less laws. If our laws and their enforcement is too weak now, the solution is to make even less of them. You'll hear cute little chants they've been taught like "If guns are illegal only criminals wil have guns." Well duh. And if child porn is illegal, only criminals will have child porn. So should we make it legal? The anti-logic of this is almost amusing. Oh well. They really do buy it.
My favorite one is when they compare gun ownership to owning a car. Unreal.

Being that the theater was a gun free zone didn't stop the shooter now did it?

 

[Ariux]

In the resume, Holmes seeks a position as a laboratory technician and touts his work as a summer camp counselor for the Jewish Big Brothers Big Sisters of Los Angeles....

God Damned Jew shooting up gentiles.

Fuck you

I take that as a "yes". If you were getting off a plane in Israel and saw 24yr old Israeli male, you'd expect him to look something like this.

There are many things about him that suggests jewish heritage, even if not his nominal religion.

I mean really fuck you.

Just wondering, do you have a job letting Jews sodomize your ass? Or, is that just a hobby?

 

[beagle9]

You've obviously never been around a farm. Many have trucks for "farm use". There have been several fatal tractor rollovers in my area this year.

Oh please... The contention was that far more people are killed in car crashes than firearms and now you are moving the goalposts to tractors and farm trucks because they aren't registered? Very disingenuous.

Another poster wanted guns treated like cars. That is actually a reasonable suggestion. Cars have to be registered if you are going to use them on the road, which is where 99.99999% of cars are used. Drivers have to be licensed and a fair percentage of drivers probably went through safe driving programs. Drivers have to carry liability insurance on their cars, so that if they hurt someone or damage property, they can be compensated. You have to be at least 15 or 16 years old to get a drivers license. Licenses can be taken away if a driver is irresponsible.

Now look at guns... Guns don't have to be registered. Gun owners don't have to undergo any training, have a license, or carry insurance. You have to be 18 to purchase a gun. Is it not a reasonable expectation that gun owners register their weapons, undergo training classes in how to safely handle and use their guns, and carry liability insurance in case they accidentally hurt someone or destroy property?

I answered your comment that not all vehicle accidents occur on a highway.

There's no need for guns to be registered. There are receipts for their sale. How do you think the cops found out so quickly where Holmes bought his? Same goes for all the ammo and even the body armor that he bought. This crime is barely 48 hours old and the police already know where he bought all of it and have for a day or so. There is a recorded transaction of Holmes' background check on record with Colorado's state police. The gun shops where he bought them have to keep the records with their serial numbers for X number of years.

Want a hunting license? You'll probably have to pass a hunter safety class. Want a carry permit? You'll probably have to pass a class for that too. And pass a criminal background check. And be fingerprinted.

Is the system perfect? No, and it never will be. But that's no excuse to infringe on the rights of law abiding citizens.

Smart Technology implemented into the weapons is the only answer....Takes all the guess work out of it then, and leaves the gun owner alone as well... All you spoke of concerning the police work and knowledge learned is sadly after the fact, where as we need preventive measures and smart technology right now, it is the only thing that could give that preventer to us, just as a case such as this is screaming that to all of us now...