Assholes making trouble in Oregon

[Arianrhod]

Ammon Bundy took out $530,000 federal loan - CNN.com

 

[B. Kidd]

Yeah. they are just mad because judges sentenced a couple of arsonists. boo hoo

A controlled burn is not arson, dumbass, and neither is it terrorism.

So you are OK with prosecuting people who started fires on their own land it land that they have used for more than 20 years, over a fire that was done over 15 years ago?

You are a special kind of fuck face twat, arent you?

Dude do you ever do your research before trashing people with your uncivilized attitude? I put this link for you so you do not embarrassed yourself.

Eastern Oregon Ranchers Convicted of Arson Resentenced to Five Years in Prison

EUGENE, Ore. – Dwight Lincoln Hammond, Jr., 73, and his son, Steven Dwight Hammond, 46, both residents of Diamond, Oregon in Harney County, were sentenced to five years in prison by Chief U.S. District Judge Ann Aiken for arsons they committed on federal lands.

A jury sitting in Pendleton, Oregon found the Hammonds guilty of the arsons after a two-week trial in June 2012. The trial involved allegations that the Hammonds, owners of Hammond Ranches, Inc., ignited a series of fires on lands managed by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM), on which the Hammonds had grazing rights leased to them for their cattle operation.

The jury convicted both of the Hammonds of using fire to destroy federal property for a 2001 arson known as the Hardie-Hammond Fire, located in the Steens Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. Witnesses at trial, including a relative of the Hammonds, testified the arson occurred shortly after Steven Hammond and his hunting party illegally slaughtered several deer on BLM property. Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out “Strike Anywhere” matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to “light up the whole country on fire.” One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson. The fire consumed 139 acres of public land and destroyed all evidence of the game violations. After committing the arson, Steven Hammond called the BLM office in Burns, Oregon and claimed the fire was started on Hammond property to burn off invasive species and had inadvertently burned onto public lands. Dwight and Steven Hammond told one of their relatives to keep his mouth shut and that nobody needed to know about the fire.

The jury also convicted Steven Hammond of using fire to destroy federal property regarding a 2006 arson known as the Krumbo Butte Fire located in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge and Steen Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. An August lightning storm started numerous fires and a burn ban was in effect while BLM firefighters fought those fires. Despite the ban, without permission or notification to BLM, Steven Hammond started several “back fires” in an attempt save the ranch’s winter feed. The fires burned onto public land and were seen by BLM firefighters camped nearby. The firefighters took steps to ensure their safety and reported the arsons.

Eastern Oregon Ranchers Convicted of Arson Resentenced to Five Years in Prison | USAO-OR | Department of Justice

A DOJ link? Are you kidding us? I guess you believe anything this Admin. tells you.........for example, if you like your doctor, than you can keep your doctor................

 

[Luddly Neddite]

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The only Mormon I've seen that needed a snack was Shawn Bradley

The old fart who was sitting in a rocking chair in the middle of the road is a morm with 11 kids.

What are those kids gonna do when he goes to the clink and the gov wants his half million dollar SBA loan back? Sad

BTW, Ammon Bundy borrowed something like $240K from the federal government he says he hates.

Now he doesn't want to pay it back.

The Bundy's are just welfare queens - to the tune of millions of dollars.

 

[Tilly]

I take it you would support a situation where a man in his 20's was convicted of shoplifting, given 6 months in prison, then released. 30 years later he protests against an action by Obama, so a federal judge orders him to 10 years of prison on the shoplifting charge, arguing the original sentence was too light?

Is this what you of the left see as the "brave new world?"

If so, the Bundy is correct and we no longer are a nation of law.

You are distorting and misrepresenting the case being discussed. You want it to be something it is not. Whether you or I agree or not in regards to the fairness of the case and sentencing is irrelevant to the situation where armed thugs have taken over taxpayer-owned property at the point of a gun and threat of violence. You are for domestic terrorism or against it, that is what the topic narrows down to.

At the point of a gun? The buildings were empty of people.

Are you denying that these yokels are armed?

Are you incapable of understanding the written word?

When it's in English, yes. What were you questioning?

It is in English. Do you have comprehension problems?

 

[Camp]

This is all about deciding how taxpayer property is going to be used. The old timer traditional cattle ranchers want to continue the tradition and the 21rst Century proponents are ready to value the lands for something more than massive feed lots for ranchers living in the 19th and 20th century. The rhetoric about freedom and the constitution are just being used as covers for desperate old guys trying to hang on to the past and demanding the taxpayers support and subsidize them.

 

[Dot Com]

Outside Patriot Groups Are Warming Up To The Bundy Siege In Oregon

The takeover of a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon by armed anti-government extremists Saturday was initially a step too far for some other hard-right patriot groups. But with the occupiers, led by Ammon Bundy, commanding national media attention for much of the week, their once-skeptical fellow travelers have started to come around.

It's a subtle shift, but in interviews this week some of the most strident extremist critics of the move on the refuge have conceded that the publicity the action has produced is helpful to their cause. And some of the critics have even gotten in on the action, claiming to act as back channels for communications among the armed occupiers, law enforcement, and the local community.

Outside Patriot Groups Are Warming Up To The Bundy Siege In Oregon

Maybe the longer this lasts, the more the locals are supporting them?

Earlier in the week, groups like the Three Percenters Club Oregon and the Oath Keepers posted statements condemning the decision to occupy the refuge center in Oregon after a demonstration protesting the federal jail sentence facing two local ranchers, Dwight and Steven Hammond. While members of those groups were involved in organizing the protest that preceded the occupation of the refuge, they decried occupiers' tactics in the immediate aftermath and claimed they were unaware of the plans to make a stand at the refuge.

But now, while they still say it was not a part of the original plan to take over the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, they agree with the occupiers’ message and even appreciate the attention the siege is bringing to the grievances they have against the federal government

That's what I keep hearing.

on FB?

 

[Uncensored2008]

This is all about deciding how taxpayer property is going to be used. The old timer traditional cattle ranchers want to continue the tradition and the 21rst Century proponents are ready to value the lands for something more than massive feed lots for ranchers living in the 19th and 20th century. The rhetoric about freedom and the constitution are just being used as covers for desperate old guys trying to hang on to the past and demanding the taxpayers support and subsidize them.

Yeth, those ranchers should raise Quinoa and Tofu anyway...

Say Camp, you are occasionally lucid, by what Constitutional authority does the federal government own 92% of the land in the west anyway?

 

[Camp]

You are distorting and misrepresenting the case being discussed. You want it to be something it is not. Whether you or I agree or not in regards to the fairness of the case and sentencing is irrelevant to the situation where armed thugs have taken over taxpayer-owned property at the point of a gun and threat of violence. You are for domestic terrorism or against it, that is what the topic narrows down to.

At the point of a gun? The buildings were empty of people.

Are you denying that these yokels are armed?

Are you incapable of understanding the written word?

When it's in English, yes. What were you questioning?

It is in English. Do you have comprehension problems?

We speak American in America. It is a dialect that confuses some from the island where the original language came from.

 

[koshergrl]

This is all about deciding how taxpayer property is going to be used. The old timer traditional cattle ranchers want to continue the tradition and the 21rst Century proponents are ready to value the lands for something more than massive feed lots for ranchers living in the 19th and 20th century. The rhetoric about freedom and the constitution are just being used as covers for desperate old guys trying to hang on to the past and demanding the taxpayers support and subsidize them.

No, it's really not. It's about the BLM illegally seizing and destroying property, and throwing people in jail if they complain. It's about them entering into cooperative management with land owners, and then immediately and illegally seeking to block those land owners from accessing their own properties. It's about them failing to adhere to the legislation that THEY HELPED CRAFT setting down rules and guidelines for responsibilities and interactions between the BLM and private land owners. They ignore the letter and the intent of the law...then selectively persecute private owners for violations of the LETTER of the law in total and complete violation of the spirit of the laws that were especially crafted for land management in this region.

 

[Agit8r]

Yeah. they are just mad because judges sentenced a couple of arsonists. boo hoo

A controlled burn is not arson, dumbass, and neither is it terrorism.

So you are OK with prosecuting people who started fires on their own land it land that they have used for more than 20 years, over a fire that was done over 15 years ago?

You are a special kind of fuck face twat, arent you?

Dude do you ever do your research before trashing people with your uncivilized attitude? I put this link for you so you do not embarrassed yourself.

Eastern Oregon Ranchers Convicted of Arson Resentenced to Five Years in Prison

EUGENE, Ore. – Dwight Lincoln Hammond, Jr., 73, and his son, Steven Dwight Hammond, 46, both residents of Diamond, Oregon in Harney County, were sentenced to five years in prison by Chief U.S. District Judge Ann Aiken for arsons they committed on federal lands.

A jury sitting in Pendleton, Oregon found the Hammonds guilty of the arsons after a two-week trial in June 2012. The trial involved allegations that the Hammonds, owners of Hammond Ranches, Inc., ignited a series of fires on lands managed by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM), on which the Hammonds had grazing rights leased to them for their cattle operation.

The jury convicted both of the Hammonds of using fire to destroy federal property for a 2001 arson known as the Hardie-Hammond Fire, located in the Steens Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. Witnesses at trial, including a relative of the Hammonds, testified the arson occurred shortly after Steven Hammond and his hunting party illegally slaughtered several deer on BLM property. Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out “Strike Anywhere” matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to “light up the whole country on fire.” One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson. The fire consumed 139 acres of public land and destroyed all evidence of the game violations. After committing the arson, Steven Hammond called the BLM office in Burns, Oregon and claimed the fire was started on Hammond property to burn off invasive species and had inadvertently burned onto public lands. Dwight and Steven Hammond told one of their relatives to keep his mouth shut and that nobody needed to know about the fire.

The jury also convicted Steven Hammond of using fire to destroy federal property regarding a 2006 arson known as the Krumbo Butte Fire located in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge and Steen Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. An August lightning storm started numerous fires and a burn ban was in effect while BLM firefighters fought those fires. Despite the ban, without permission or notification to BLM, Steven Hammond started several “back fires” in an attempt save the ranch’s winter feed. The fires burned onto public land and were seen by BLM firefighters camped nearby. The firefighters took steps to ensure their safety and reported the arsons.

Eastern Oregon Ranchers Convicted of Arson Resentenced to Five Years in Prison | USAO-OR | Department of Justice

A DOJ link? Are you kidding us? I guess you believe anything this Admin. tells you.........for example, if you like your doctor, than you can keep your doctor................

The Assistant U.S. Attorneys in the case are based in Oregon.

 

[Camp]

This is all about deciding how taxpayer property is going to be used. The old timer traditional cattle ranchers want to continue the tradition and the 21rst Century proponents are ready to value the lands for something more than massive feed lots for ranchers living in the 19th and 20th century. The rhetoric about freedom and the constitution are just being used as covers for desperate old guys trying to hang on to the past and demanding the taxpayers support and subsidize them.

Yeth, those ranchers should raise Quinoa and Tofu anyway...

Say Camp, you are occasionally lucid, by what Constitutional authority does the federal government own 92% of the land in the west anyway?

Some, even many will survive if they learn to adjust and adapt, but not on cheap leased federal lands. Face it, most of these old ranches have been dependent on cheap leased lands from the taxpayers. Each year that property becomes more and more valuable for other purposes and less valuable for cattle ranching.

 

[B. Kidd]

Yeah. they are just mad because judges sentenced a couple of arsonists. boo hoo

A controlled burn is not arson, dumbass, and neither is it terrorism.

So you are OK with prosecuting people who started fires on their own land it land that they have used for more than 20 years, over a fire that was done over 15 years ago?

You are a special kind of fuck face twat, arent you?

Dude do you ever do your research before trashing people with your uncivilized attitude? I put this link for you so you do not embarrassed yourself.

Eastern Oregon Ranchers Convicted of Arson Resentenced to Five Years in Prison

EUGENE, Ore. – Dwight Lincoln Hammond, Jr., 73, and his son, Steven Dwight Hammond, 46, both residents of Diamond, Oregon in Harney County, were sentenced to five years in prison by Chief U.S. District Judge Ann Aiken for arsons they committed on federal lands.

A jury sitting in Pendleton, Oregon found the Hammonds guilty of the arsons after a two-week trial in June 2012. The trial involved allegations that the Hammonds, owners of Hammond Ranches, Inc., ignited a series of fires on lands managed by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM), on which the Hammonds had grazing rights leased to them for their cattle operation.

The jury convicted both of the Hammonds of using fire to destroy federal property for a 2001 arson known as the Hardie-Hammond Fire, located in the Steens Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. Witnesses at trial, including a relative of the Hammonds, testified the arson occurred shortly after Steven Hammond and his hunting party illegally slaughtered several deer on BLM property. Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out “Strike Anywhere” matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to “light up the whole country on fire.” One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson. The fire consumed 139 acres of public land and destroyed all evidence of the game violations. After committing the arson, Steven Hammond called the BLM office in Burns, Oregon and claimed the fire was started on Hammond property to burn off invasive species and had inadvertently burned onto public lands. Dwight and Steven Hammond told one of their relatives to keep his mouth shut and that nobody needed to know about the fire.

The jury also convicted Steven Hammond of using fire to destroy federal property regarding a 2006 arson known as the Krumbo Butte Fire located in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge and Steen Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. An August lightning storm started numerous fires and a burn ban was in effect while BLM firefighters fought those fires. Despite the ban, without permission or notification to BLM, Steven Hammond started several “back fires” in an attempt save the ranch’s winter feed. The fires burned onto public land and were seen by BLM firefighters camped nearby. The firefighters took steps to ensure their safety and reported the arsons.

Eastern Oregon Ranchers Convicted of Arson Resentenced to Five Years in Prison | USAO-OR | Department of Justice

A DOJ link? Are you kidding us? I guess you believe anything this Admin. tells you.........for example, if you like your doctor, than you can keep your doctor................

The Assistant U.S. Attorneys in the case are based in Oregon.

And............?........that gives them credibility?

 

[MaryL]

Good to see the media is giving them all the attention they want...

Who cares? They aren't inciting riots based on exaggerated racial claims like the black lives movement. And didn't the liberal media that created an backlash against cops then warn against an anti Muslim backlash after Muslim terrorism attacks, those same blokes? Who's side is the media on, anyway?

 

[Seawytch]

You are distorting and misrepresenting the case being discussed. You want it to be something it is not. Whether you or I agree or not in regards to the fairness of the case and sentencing is irrelevant to the situation where armed thugs have taken over taxpayer-owned property at the point of a gun and threat of violence. You are for domestic terrorism or against it, that is what the topic narrows down to.

At the point of a gun? The buildings were empty of people.

Are you denying that these yokels are armed?

Are you incapable of understanding the written word?

When it's in English, yes. What were you questioning?

It is in English. Do you have comprehension problems?

Rube English isn't real English.

You questioned that they were armed, did you not? They ARE armed. Are you okay with armed seditionists taking over Federal Buildings, yes or no?

 

[koshergrl]

Yeah. they are just mad because judges sentenced a couple of arsonists. boo hoo

A controlled burn is not arson, dumbass, and neither is it terrorism.

So you are OK with prosecuting people who started fires on their own land it land that they have used for more than 20 years, over a fire that was done over 15 years ago?

You are a special kind of fuck face twat, arent you?

Dude do you ever do your research before trashing people with your uncivilized attitude? I put this link for you so you do not embarrassed yourself.

Eastern Oregon Ranchers Convicted of Arson Resentenced to Five Years in Prison

EUGENE, Ore. – Dwight Lincoln Hammond, Jr., 73, and his son, Steven Dwight Hammond, 46, both residents of Diamond, Oregon in Harney County, were sentenced to five years in prison by Chief U.S. District Judge Ann Aiken for arsons they committed on federal lands.

A jury sitting in Pendleton, Oregon found the Hammonds guilty of the arsons after a two-week trial in June 2012. The trial involved allegations that the Hammonds, owners of Hammond Ranches, Inc., ignited a series of fires on lands managed by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM), on which the Hammonds had grazing rights leased to them for their cattle operation.

The jury convicted both of the Hammonds of using fire to destroy federal property for a 2001 arson known as the Hardie-Hammond Fire, located in the Steens Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. Witnesses at trial, including a relative of the Hammonds, testified the arson occurred shortly after Steven Hammond and his hunting party illegally slaughtered several deer on BLM property. Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out “Strike Anywhere” matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to “light up the whole country on fire.” One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson. The fire consumed 139 acres of public land and destroyed all evidence of the game violations. After committing the arson, Steven Hammond called the BLM office in Burns, Oregon and claimed the fire was started on Hammond property to burn off invasive species and had inadvertently burned onto public lands. Dwight and Steven Hammond told one of their relatives to keep his mouth shut and that nobody needed to know about the fire.

The jury also convicted Steven Hammond of using fire to destroy federal property regarding a 2006 arson known as the Krumbo Butte Fire located in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge and Steen Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. An August lightning storm started numerous fires and a burn ban was in effect while BLM firefighters fought those fires. Despite the ban, without permission or notification to BLM, Steven Hammond started several “back fires” in an attempt save the ranch’s winter feed. The fires burned onto public land and were seen by BLM firefighters camped nearby. The firefighters took steps to ensure their safety and reported the arsons.

Eastern Oregon Ranchers Convicted of Arson Resentenced to Five Years in Prison | USAO-OR | Department of Justice

A DOJ link? Are you kidding us? I guess you believe anything this Admin. tells you.........for example, if you like your doctor, than you can keep your doctor................

The Assistant U.S. Attorneys in the case are based in Oregon.

The particular voice that demanded it be dragged into the ninth circus was a demented Obama appointee who has since been retired to the funny farm, after she approached a Mexican drug cartel member to kill a fellow bar member (that she had, incidentally, also been stalking).

 

[Faun]

They should just shoot them already and end this.

What about their families? Should Obama's army kick in the doors of the homes of these infidels and kill their families as warning to others who might think to defy the living god who is our ruler?

You're confusing Obama with Trump. Its Trump who said he wants to punish the families of the infidels.

 

[Tilly]

At the point of a gun? The buildings were empty of people.

Are you denying that these yokels are armed?

Are you incapable of understanding the written word?

When it's in English, yes. What were you questioning?

It is in English. Do you have comprehension problems?

Rube English isn't real English.

You questioned that they were armed, did you not? They ARE armed. Are you okay with armed seditionists taking over Federal Buildings, yes or no?

I didn't question 'if they were armed'. This is what I said:
'At the point of a gun? The buildings were empty of people.'
Maybe English isn't your first language? I've italicised a part in the hope, however remote, that this will help you with your comprehension.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

In the grand scheme of all the issues facing this nation who really gives a phuck if some disgruntled ranchers occupied a vacant building? Stupid

 

[Tilly]

At the point of a gun? The buildings were empty of people.

Are you denying that these yokels are armed?

Are you incapable of understanding the written word?

When it's in English, yes. What were you questioning?

It is in English. Do you have comprehension problems?

Rube English isn't real English.

Rube isn't a language, period. Duhhhhh. Lol.

 

[Tilly]

At the point of a gun? The buildings were empty of people.

Are you denying that these yokels are armed?

Are you incapable of understanding the written word?

When it's in English, yes. What were you questioning?

It is in English. Do you have comprehension problems?

Rube English isn't real English.

You questioned that they were armed, did you not? They ARE armed. Are you okay with armed seditionists taking over Federal Buildings, yes or no?

I don't think they'd get very far if they weren't armed, do you?