Assholes making trouble in Oregon

[koshergrl]

Guns? No problem
Threats? Big Deal
Arson? Controlled burn lol

Man, its funny to see the same bunch who cry at every protest be the same ones to defend shit like Arson by calling it a "controlled burn". How was it controlled? LOL

Could you be more ridiculous, please?

I can. That CVS in Baltimore was a controlled burn too

Really, you don't understand land management issues, so you should abstain from exposing your ignorance.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

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The only Mormon I've seen that needed a snack was Shawn Bradley

The old fart who was sitting in a rocking chair in the middle of the road is a morm with 11 kids.

 

[Agit8r]

Guns? No problem
Threats? Big Deal
Arson? Controlled burn lol

Man, its funny to see the same bunch who cry at every protest be the same ones to defend shit like Arson by calling it a "controlled burn". How was it controlled? LOL

Could you be more ridiculous, please?

I can. That CVS in Baltimore was a controlled burn too

Really, you don't understand land management issues, so you should abstain from exposing your ignorance.

Really? Maybe you should abstain from discussions on law and criminality. I grew up in the boondocks. From a very young age, I was aware that going onto property that wasn't yours and f~cking it up was wrong and illegal. And yet people like yourself have reached the age of majority without ever attaining this moral sense. Pathetic.

 

[koshergrl]

Guns? No problem
Threats? Big Deal
Arson? Controlled burn lol

Man, its funny to see the same bunch who cry at every protest be the same ones to defend shit like Arson by calling it a "controlled burn". How was it controlled? LOL

Could you be more ridiculous, please?

I can. That CVS in Baltimore was a controlled burn too

Really, you don't understand land management issues, so you should abstain from exposing your ignorance.

Really? Maybe you should abstain from discussions on law and criminality. I grew up in the boondocks. From a very young age, I was aware that going onto property that wasn't yours and f~cking it up was wrong and illegal. And yet people like yourself have reached the age of majority without ever attaining this moral sense. Pathetic.

As I said, you're clueless about the land use issues. Ranchers and the BLM entered into a cooperative method of dealing with wildfires and other issues..and the BLM totally ignored the legislation that THEY HELPED TO CRAFT that allows for a cooperative approach to things like fire management and property access and use.

The Hammonds fires were perfectly normal and killed only sagebrush and juniper...and juniper is an invasive species. Ranchers and property owners all over the place engage in the same practices, with the same results. As a matter of fact, the BLM and the Forest Service have done exponentially MORE damage to PRIVATE property with their methods...yet property owners have no redress against them when they light fires that eat up fences, pasture, livestock, and structures. The loony fire fighter who set a fire intentionally, because she was "bored"...a fire that ate up tens of thousands of BLM land...received a sentence of 13 months.

The judge and the jury who originally heard the case recognized that the minimum sentence was against all good sense, and in fact would be cruel and unusual punishment for such a minor issue. The Hammonds SERVED THE TIME THEY WERE GIVEN. You cannot be dragged back to jail after you have already served your sentence. They weren't released early or anything like that..they were sentenced, they served their sentence, and they are done.

But the BLM and our criminal administration don't care about the law. They want to own Oregon. And they might own it eventually. But they'll have to kill or imprison a lot of people before that happens.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Yeah. they are just mad because judges sentenced a couple of arsonists. boo hoo

A controlled burn is not arson, dumbass, and neither is it terrorism.

So you are OK with prosecuting people who started fires on their own land it land that they have used for more than 20 years, over a fire that was done over 15 years ago?

You are a special kind of fuck face twat, arent you?

Actually, I just read the official court document:

"The jury convicted both of the Hammonds of using fire to destroy federal property for a 2001 arson known as the Hardie-Hammond Fire, located in the Steens Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. Witnesses at trial, including a relative of the Hammonds, testified the arson occurred shortly after Steven Hammond and his hunting party illegally slaughtered several deer on BLM property. Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out “Strike Anywhere” matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to “light up the whole country on fire.” One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson. The fire consumed 139 acres of public land and destroyed all evidence of the game violations. After committing the arson, Steven Hammond called the BLM office in Burns, Oregon and claimed the fire was started on Hammond property to burn off invasive species and had inadvertently burned onto public lands. Dwight and Steven Hammond told one of their relatives to keep his mouth shut and that nobody needed to know about the fire.

"The jury also convicted Steven Hammond of using fire to destroy federal property regarding a 2006 arson known as the Krumbo Butte Fire located in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge and Steen Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. An August lightning storm started numerous fires and a burn ban was in effect while BLM firefighters fought those fires. Despite the ban, without permission or notification to BLM, Steven Hammond started several “back fires” in an attempt save the ranch’s winter feed. The fires burned onto public land and were seen by BLM firefighters camped nearby. The firefighters took steps to ensure their safety and reported the arsons."

Eastern Oregon Ranchers Convicted of Arson Resentenced to Five Years in Prison | USAO-OR | Department of Justice

Agit8, thank you for posting the official charges and witness accounts. I wondered about the specific of the charges. I also know that the northwest is very serious about fires, especially forest fires. I am assuming the Hammonds are aware of that even more than a Michigander like me. And they at least surrendered peacefully, for which I applaud them.

Wildfires are a considerable problem here, yes. Doubly a problem for those with respiratory disorders.

Now its a problem for the Hammond's too.

Bet they'll think twice next time they want to cover up their poaching but that doesn't mean the domestic terrorists should be given land for nothing.

 

[Agit8r]

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The only Mormon I've seen that needed a snack was Shawn Bradley

The old fart who was sitting in a rocking chair in the middle of the road is a morm with 11 kids.

What are those kids gonna do when he goes to the clink and the gov wants his half million dollar SBA loan back? Sad

 

[Agit8r]

Guns? No problem
Threats? Big Deal
Arson? Controlled burn lol

Man, its funny to see the same bunch who cry at every protest be the same ones to defend shit like Arson by calling it a "controlled burn". How was it controlled? LOL

Could you be more ridiculous, please?

I can. That CVS in Baltimore was a controlled burn too

Really, you don't understand land management issues, so you should abstain from exposing your ignorance.

Really? Maybe you should abstain from discussions on law and criminality. I grew up in the boondocks. From a very young age, I was aware that going onto property that wasn't yours and f~cking it up was wrong and illegal. And yet people like yourself have reached the age of majority without ever attaining this moral sense. Pathetic.

As I said, you're clueless about the land use issues.

I know what a controlled burn is. They happened nearby where I grew up every few years. They were never prescribed to cover up poaching activities.

 

[koshergrl]

Could you be more ridiculous, please?

I can. That CVS in Baltimore was a controlled burn too

Really, you don't understand land management issues, so you should abstain from exposing your ignorance.

Really? Maybe you should abstain from discussions on law and criminality. I grew up in the boondocks. From a very young age, I was aware that going onto property that wasn't yours and f~cking it up was wrong and illegal. And yet people like yourself have reached the age of majority without ever attaining this moral sense. Pathetic.

As I said, you're clueless about the land use issues.

I know what a controlled burn is. They happened nearby where I grew up every few years. They were never prescribed to cover up poaching activities.

And they weren't in this instance, either.

 

[Agit8r]

I can. That CVS in Baltimore was a controlled burn too

Really, you don't understand land management issues, so you should abstain from exposing your ignorance.

Really? Maybe you should abstain from discussions on law and criminality. I grew up in the boondocks. From a very young age, I was aware that going onto property that wasn't yours and f~cking it up was wrong and illegal. And yet people like yourself have reached the age of majority without ever attaining this moral sense. Pathetic.

As I said, you're clueless about the land use issues.

I know what a controlled burn is. They happened nearby where I grew up every few years. They were never prescribed to cover up poaching activities.

And they weren't in this instance, either.

Except that the prosecution's witnesses swore under oath that they were.

 

[koshergrl]

Really, you don't understand land management issues, so you should abstain from exposing your ignorance.

Really? Maybe you should abstain from discussions on law and criminality. I grew up in the boondocks. From a very young age, I was aware that going onto property that wasn't yours and f~cking it up was wrong and illegal. And yet people like yourself have reached the age of majority without ever attaining this moral sense. Pathetic.

As I said, you're clueless about the land use issues.

I know what a controlled burn is. They happened nearby where I grew up every few years. They were never prescribed to cover up poaching activities.

And they weren't in this instance, either.

Except that the prosecution's witnesses swore under oath that they were.

The prosectution's witness was a 13 y.o. boy with mental problems, whose testimony was rejected by the presiding judge.

 

[koshergrl]

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The only Mormon I've seen that needed a snack was Shawn Bradley

The old fart who was sitting in a rocking chair in the middle of the road is a morm with 11 kids.

What are those kids gonna do when he goes to the clink and the gov wants his half million dollar SBA loan back? Sad

They've already paid back half of the half million in FINES that was leveled against them.

 

[Uncensored2008]

So far I have not seen a proof from KG or you that the locals or the Hammond are thrilled that they are getting attention because of these assholes.

I'll tell you what, if at some point in the future I make such a claim, I'll be sure to support it.

The Hammond's are political prisoners of a criminal regime, they want to make as few waves as possible in hopes of someday being freed.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I am all for the Bundys. They are on the right.

But they have to tread really carefully.....with Hussein wanting to ban guns, and all that... not the most perfect timing....you know what I'm saying?

And whatever they do...they should not fire the first shot.

I'm sure cooler heads will prevail.

I still expect the emperor with no brains to launch a drone strike on them.

 

[Agit8r]

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The only Mormon I've seen that needed a snack was Shawn Bradley

The old fart who was sitting in a rocking chair in the middle of the road is a morm with 11 kids.

What are those kids gonna do when he goes to the clink and the gov wants his half million dollar SBA loan back? Sad

They've already paid back half of the half million in FINES that was leveled against them.

Who?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Dude..... Your brain is messed up. Since when a POTUS dictate every court decisions about crimes such as arson? Do you have a proof Obama is involved in this case?

When the Hammond's finished their prison sentence and were released in accordance to the law, they began agitating against the BLM. Quickly after that the KGB kidnapped them and the courts imposed prison terms for crimes they had already served their sentence on. Obviously they were on Obama's enemies list and he sicked his dogs on them.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Guns? No problem
Threats? Big Deal
Arson? Controlled burn lol

Man, its funny to see the same bunch who cry at every protest be the same ones to defend shit like Arson by calling it a "controlled burn". How was it controlled? LOL

Could you be more ridiculous, please?

I can. That CVS in Baltimore was a controlled burn too

Really, you don't understand land management issues, so you should abstain from exposing your ignorance.

Really? Maybe you should abstain from discussions on law and criminality. I grew up in the boondocks. From a very young age, I was aware that going onto property that wasn't yours and f~cking it up was wrong and illegal. And yet people like yourself have reached the age of majority without ever attaining this moral sense. Pathetic.

A link I posted earlier had a bit about the yee-hadists are vandalizing and stealing from the site. One of them asked a journalist if they wanted a souvenir.

 

[charwin95]

Yeah. they are just mad because judges sentenced a couple of arsonists. boo hoo

A controlled burn is not arson, dumbass, and neither is it terrorism.

So you are OK with prosecuting people who started fires on their own land it land that they have used for more than 20 years, over a fire that was done over 15 years ago?

You are a special kind of fuck face twat, arent you?

Dude do you ever do your research before trashing people with your uncivilized attitude? I put this link for you so you do not embarrassed yourself.

Eastern Oregon Ranchers Convicted of Arson Resentenced to Five Years in Prison

EUGENE, Ore. – Dwight Lincoln Hammond, Jr., 73, and his son, Steven Dwight Hammond, 46, both residents of Diamond, Oregon in Harney County, were sentenced to five years in prison by Chief U.S. District Judge Ann Aiken for arsons they committed on federal lands.

A jury sitting in Pendleton, Oregon found the Hammonds guilty of the arsons after a two-week trial in June 2012. The trial involved allegations that the Hammonds, owners of Hammond Ranches, Inc., ignited a series of fires on lands managed by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM), on which the Hammonds had grazing rights leased to them for their cattle operation.

The jury convicted both of the Hammonds of using fire to destroy federal property for a 2001 arson known as the Hardie-Hammond Fire, located in the Steens Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. Witnesses at trial, including a relative of the Hammonds, testified the arson occurred shortly after Steven Hammond and his hunting party illegally slaughtered several deer on BLM property. Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out “Strike Anywhere” matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to “light up the whole country on fire.” One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson. The fire consumed 139 acres of public land and destroyed all evidence of the game violations. After committing the arson, Steven Hammond called the BLM office in Burns, Oregon and claimed the fire was started on Hammond property to burn off invasive species and had inadvertently burned onto public lands. Dwight and Steven Hammond told one of their relatives to keep his mouth shut and that nobody needed to know about the fire.

The jury also convicted Steven Hammond of using fire to destroy federal property regarding a 2006 arson known as the Krumbo Butte Fire located in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge and Steen Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. An August lightning storm started numerous fires and a burn ban was in effect while BLM firefighters fought those fires. Despite the ban, without permission or notification to BLM, Steven Hammond started several “back fires” in an attempt save the ranch’s winter feed. The fires burned onto public land and were seen by BLM firefighters camped nearby. The firefighters took steps to ensure their safety and reported the arsons.

Eastern Oregon Ranchers Convicted of Arson Resentenced to Five Years in Prison | USAO-OR | Department of Justice

 

[Seawytch]

A little drawn out and long, but an impressive bitch slap.

I take it you would support a situation where a man in his 20's was convicted of shoplifting, given 6 months in prison, then released. 30 years later he protests against an action by Obama, so a federal judge orders him to 10 years of prison on the shoplifting charge, arguing the original sentence was too light?

Is this what you of the left see as the "brave new world?"

If so, the Bundy is correct and we no longer are a nation of law.

You are distorting and misrepresenting the case being discussed. You want it to be something it is not. Whether you or I agree or not in regards to the fairness of the case and sentencing is irrelevant to the situation where armed thugs have taken over taxpayer-owned property at the point of a gun and threat of violence. You are for domestic terrorism or against it, that is what the topic narrows down to.

At the point of a gun? The buildings were empty of people.

Are you denying that these yokels are armed?

Are you incapable of understanding the written word?

When it's in English, yes. What were you questioning?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

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The only Mormon I've seen that needed a snack was Shawn Bradley

The old fart who was sitting in a rocking chair in the middle of the road is a morm with 11 kids.

What are those kids gonna do when he goes to the clink and the gov wants his half million dollar SBA loan back? Sad

They've already paid back half of the half million in FINES that was leveled against them.

What about the millions owed in grazing fees?

They already get tax subsidies and ow they're demanding the land be given to them for free.

Very funny is that it was the US govt who bailed failed ranchers out in 1934 and formed the refuge.

If YOU want land, YOU have to pay for it and the feds aren't going to give you tax subsidies. Why should they get money from tax payers?

RWNJs want tax payers to subsidize WallyWorld and others who won't pay their help and I think that's wrong.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

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The only Mormon I've seen that needed a snack was Shawn Bradley

The old fart who was sitting in a rocking chair in the middle of the road is a morm with 11 kids.

What are those kids gonna do when he goes to the clink and the gov wants his half million dollar SBA loan back? Sad

They've already paid back half of the half million in FINES that was leveled against them.

LINK??

Just once, back up your statement with FACTS.