Assholes making trouble in Oregon

[koshergrl]

Stupid ass. This is not about Waco, this is about a bunch of outsiders that are not wanted and are causing trouble.

Infidels who fail to bow to the living god you worship.

So can you get Reno out their to kill them and their families?

they think they can come in with their arsenal, and bully the whole community, and the US Government, as well. They need to spend major time in the iron bar hotel.

I thought you wanted to slaughter them all? These are white people. Isn't it the policy of the democratic - socialist party that whites should be killed on sight? Remember, white lives don't matter.

And he's lying. The locals don't mind them there. The locals are thrilled that FINALLY their situation is getting some attention.

That is incorrect. Do you have a LINK to support your claim? Even the Hanmond family reject these assholes.

Oregon ranchers reject Cliven Bundy family occupation

On their lawyers advice, of course.

So, their lawyers are in on it too?

What do you even mean, Toad? Do you know? "In on" what, exactly?

 

[Tilly]

A little drawn out and long, but an impressive bitch slap.

I take it you would support a situation where a man in his 20's was convicted of shoplifting, given 6 months in prison, then released. 30 years later he protests against an action by Obama, so a federal judge orders him to 10 years of prison on the shoplifting charge, arguing the original sentence was too light?

Is this what you of the left see as the "brave new world?"

If so, the Bundy is correct and we no longer are a nation of law.

You are distorting and misrepresenting the case being discussed. You want it to be something it is not. Whether you or I agree or not in regards to the fairness of the case and sentencing is irrelevant to the situation where armed thugs have taken over taxpayer-owned property at the point of a gun and threat of violence. You are for domestic terrorism or against it, that is what the topic narrows down to.

At the point of a gun? The buildings were empty of people.

Are you denying that these yokels are armed?

Are you incapable of understanding the written word?

 

[Tilly]

Stupid ass. This is not about Waco, this is about a bunch of outsiders that are not wanted and are causing trouble.

Infidels who fail to bow to the living god you worship.

So can you get Reno out their to kill them and their families?

they think they can come in with their arsenal, and bully the whole community, and the US Government, as well. They need to spend major time in the iron bar hotel.

I thought you wanted to slaughter them all? These are white people. Isn't it the policy of the democratic - socialist party that whites should be killed on sight? Remember, white lives don't matter.

And he's lying. The locals don't mind them there. The locals are thrilled that FINALLY their situation is getting some attention.

That is incorrect. Do you have a LINK to support your claim? Even the Hanmond family reject these assholes.

Oregon ranchers reject Cliven Bundy family occupation

On their lawyers advice, of course.

So, their lawyers are in on it too?

Doubtful. Lawyers regularly advise their clients. You know that, don't you?

 

[Skylar]

AGAIN retard, Pollard was still a prisoner. The SCOTUS upheld reversing the SUSPENSION of the sentence he was serving.

I don't know if you're lying or really this stupid. Either way, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Again, shit-stain....you don't know what you're talking about. Once again, I'm gonna educate you. Here's the summary of the decision from the USSC:

After petitioner had pleaded guilty to a federal offense and had left the courtroom, the District Court entered judgment suspending sentence and placed petitioner on probation for three years. Nearly two years later, in 1954, upon petitioner's arrest for violation of probation, the District Court entered a formal judgment and commitment sentencing petitioner to 2 years' imprisonment and setting aside the earlier judgment and order.

FindLaw's United States Supreme Court case and opinions.

In 1952 Pollard had been RELEASED on probation after his sentence was suspended by the District Court judge. It wasn't until two years later that he was arrested on a probation violation that the his original sentence was overturned in 1954. And he was given prison time rather than a suspended sentence.

His original sentence was overturned by a higher court in 1954. And here's what the USSC had to say about that:

• 
  3. The 1954 sentence did not violate the Double Jeopardy Clause of the Fifth Amendment. Pp. 359-361.

AFTER Pollard's release his original sentence was overturned. Something you insist can't be done. You're insisting that the original sentence MUST be followed. And the USSC found the opposite. That no, there is no such requirement. That even YEARS later, if the original sentence was found to be in errror, a correct sentence can be issued.

Exactly as occured in Hammond's case. Which might explain why:

1) The Hammond's never argued double jeopardy, despite your hysteric, panty shitting insistence it was.

2) The Supreme Court already rejected the Hammond appeal of the 9th circuit court's decision..

And no, they didn't uphold his suspended sentence. The upheld the 1954 resentencing that sent Polland to prison until 1956 and affirmed that Polland 'must lose on the merits'.

Once again, shit stain....you don't know what you;'re talking about.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

 

[charwin95]

That is incorrect. Do you have a LINK to support your claim? Even the Hanmond family reject these assholes.

Oregon ranchers reject Cliven Bundy family occupation

The Hammond's fear to say anything that could offend the regime. They were given three years in prison for speaking in opposition to the criminal regime and know that anything they say could mean prison time.

The only thing the Hammond's are going to say is "Yessah massah obama sirs, weez goan be gud and dooz wats yoo beez telling us massah."

Dude..... Your brain is messed up. Since when a POTUS dictate every court decisions about crimes such as arson? Do you have a proof Obama is involved in this case?

 

[Tilly]

Outside Patriot Groups Are Warming Up To The Bundy Siege In Oregon

The takeover of a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon by armed anti-government extremists Saturday was initially a step too far for some other hard-right patriot groups. But with the occupiers, led by Ammon Bundy, commanding national media attention for much of the week, their once-skeptical fellow travelers have started to come around.

It's a subtle shift, but in interviews this week some of the most strident extremist critics of the move on the refuge have conceded that the publicity the action has produced is helpful to their cause. And some of the critics have even gotten in on the action, claiming to act as back channels for communications among the armed occupiers, law enforcement, and the local community.

Outside Patriot Groups Are Warming Up To The Bundy Siege In Oregon

 

[Agit8r]

the authorities should pretend they are Negroes ..............

Or terror suspects in Yemen.

 

[Agit8r]

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The only Mormon I've seen that needed a snack was Shawn Bradley

 

[Agit8r]

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Considering the Hammonds set the fires to cover up their poaching, the crybabies should be more than willing to poach their snacks.

The refuge is the result of the feds bailing out failed ranchers in 1934 and now these yahoos 'want the land back'?

These welfare ranchers get bail out money every every single year and now they've got their hands out for more.

And they're vandalizing and stealing from the site. Typical RWNJs traitors.

To say nothing of a half million dollar subsidized SBA loan...

 

[Tilly]

Maybe the longer this lasts, the more the locals are supporting them?

Earlier in the week, groups like the Three Percenters Club Oregon and the Oath Keepers posted statements condemning the decision to occupy the refuge center in Oregon after a demonstration protesting the federal jail sentence facing two local ranchers, Dwight and Steven Hammond. While members of those groups were involved in organizing the protest that preceded the occupation of the refuge, they decried occupiers' tactics in the immediate aftermath and claimed they were unaware of the plans to make a stand at the refuge.

But now, while they still say it was not a part of the original plan to take over the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, they agree with the occupiers’ message and even appreciate the attention the siege is bringing to the grievances they have against the federal government

 

[koshergrl]

Outside Patriot Groups Are Warming Up To The Bundy Siege In Oregon

The takeover of a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon by armed anti-government extremists Saturday was initially a step too far for some other hard-right patriot groups. But with the occupiers, led by Ammon Bundy, commanding national media attention for much of the week, their once-skeptical fellow travelers have started to come around.

It's a subtle shift, but in interviews this week some of the most strident extremist critics of the move on the refuge have conceded that the publicity the action has produced is helpful to their cause. And some of the critics have even gotten in on the action, claiming to act as back channels for communications among the armed occupiers, law enforcement, and the local community.

Outside Patriot Groups Are Warming Up To The Bundy Siege In Oregon

Maybe the longer this lasts, the more the locals are supporting them?

Earlier in the week, groups like the Three Percenters Club Oregon and the Oath Keepers posted statements condemning the decision to occupy the refuge center in Oregon after a demonstration protesting the federal jail sentence facing two local ranchers, Dwight and Steven Hammond. While members of those groups were involved in organizing the protest that preceded the occupation of the refuge, they decried occupiers' tactics in the immediate aftermath and claimed they were unaware of the plans to make a stand at the refuge.

But now, while they still say it was not a part of the original plan to take over the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, they agree with the occupiers’ message and even appreciate the attention the siege is bringing to the grievances they have against the federal government

That's what I keep hearing.

 

[charwin95]

Stupid ass. This is not about Waco, this is about a bunch of outsiders that are not wanted and are causing trouble.

Infidels who fail to bow to the living god you worship.

So can you get Reno out their to kill them and their families?

they think they can come in with their arsenal, and bully the whole community, and the US Government, as well. They need to spend major time in the iron bar hotel.

I thought you wanted to slaughter them all? These are white people. Isn't it the policy of the democratic - socialist party that whites should be killed on sight? Remember, white lives don't matter.

And he's lying. The locals don't mind them there. The locals are thrilled that FINALLY their situation is getting some attention.

That is incorrect. Do you have a LINK to support your claim? Even the Hanmond family reject these assholes.

Oregon ranchers reject Cliven Bundy family occupation

On their lawyers advice, of course.

So far I have not seen a proof from KG or you that the locals or the Hammond are thrilled that they are getting attention because of these assholes.

 

[Tilly]

Outside Patriot Groups Are Warming Up To The Bundy Siege In Oregon

The takeover of a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon by armed anti-government extremists Saturday was initially a step too far for some other hard-right patriot groups. But with the occupiers, led by Ammon Bundy, commanding national media attention for much of the week, their once-skeptical fellow travelers have started to come around.

It's a subtle shift, but in interviews this week some of the most strident extremist critics of the move on the refuge have conceded that the publicity the action has produced is helpful to their cause. And some of the critics have even gotten in on the action, claiming to act as back channels for communications among the armed occupiers, law enforcement, and the local community.

Outside Patriot Groups Are Warming Up To The Bundy Siege In Oregon

Maybe the longer this lasts, the more the locals are supporting them?

Earlier in the week, groups like the Three Percenters Club Oregon and the Oath Keepers posted statements condemning the decision to occupy the refuge center in Oregon after a demonstration protesting the federal jail sentence facing two local ranchers, Dwight and Steven Hammond. While members of those groups were involved in organizing the protest that preceded the occupation of the refuge, they decried occupiers' tactics in the immediate aftermath and claimed they were unaware of the plans to make a stand at the refuge.

But now, while they still say it was not a part of the original plan to take over the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, they agree with the occupiers’ message and even appreciate the attention the siege is bringing to the grievances they have against the federal government

That's what I keep hearing.

I think the libturds are hugely disappointed that these guys have not perpetrated any violence, and that the authorities are holding back, not cutting off their utilities, allowing their supporters to show up with food, and even allowing them to go grocery shopping. I suspect that the longer things stay this way, the greater the chance their support they will grow.

 

[Tilly]

Stupid ass. This is not about Waco, this is about a bunch of outsiders that are not wanted and are causing trouble.

Infidels who fail to bow to the living god you worship.

So can you get Reno out their to kill them and their families?

they think they can come in with their arsenal, and bully the whole community, and the US Government, as well. They need to spend major time in the iron bar hotel.

I thought you wanted to slaughter them all? These are white people. Isn't it the policy of the democratic - socialist party that whites should be killed on sight? Remember, white lives don't matter.

And he's lying. The locals don't mind them there. The locals are thrilled that FINALLY their situation is getting some attention.

That is incorrect. Do you have a LINK to support your claim? Even the Hanmond family reject these assholes.

Oregon ranchers reject Cliven Bundy family occupation

On their lawyers advice, of course.

So far I have not seen a proof from KG or you that the locals or the Hammond are thrilled that they are getting attention because of these assholes.

Do some reading like everyone else.

 

[skye]

I am all for the Bundys. They are on the right.

But they have to tread really carefully.....with Hussein wanting to ban guns, and all that... not the most perfect timing....you know what I'm saying?

And whatever they do...they should not fire the first shot.

I'm sure cooler heads will prevail.

 

[koshergrl]

Guns? No problem
Threats? Big Deal
Arson? Controlled burn lol

Man, its funny to see the same bunch who cry at every protest be the same ones to defend shit like Arson by calling it a "controlled burn". How was it controlled? LOL

Could you be more ridiculous, please?

 

[koshergrl]

Stupid ass. This is not about Waco, this is about a bunch of outsiders that are not wanted and are causing trouble.

Infidels who fail to bow to the living god you worship.

So can you get Reno out their to kill them and their families?

they think they can come in with their arsenal, and bully the whole community, and the US Government, as well. They need to spend major time in the iron bar hotel.

I thought you wanted to slaughter them all? These are white people. Isn't it the policy of the democratic - socialist party that whites should be killed on sight? Remember, white lives don't matter.

And he's lying. The locals don't mind them there. The locals are thrilled that FINALLY their situation is getting some attention.

That is incorrect. Do you have a LINK to support your claim? Even the Hanmond family reject these assholes.

Oregon ranchers reject Cliven Bundy family occupation

On their lawyers advice, of course.

So far I have not seen a proof from KG or you that the locals or the Hammond are thrilled that they are getting attention because of these assholes.

You haven't seen proof that the locals are "calling for their removal", either.

 

[Agit8r]

Yeah. they are just mad because judges sentenced a couple of arsonists. boo hoo

A controlled burn is not arson, dumbass, and neither is it terrorism.

So you are OK with prosecuting people who started fires on their own land it land that they have used for more than 20 years, over a fire that was done over 15 years ago?

You are a special kind of fuck face twat, arent you?

Actually, I just read the official court document:

"The jury convicted both of the Hammonds of using fire to destroy federal property for a 2001 arson known as the Hardie-Hammond Fire, located in the Steens Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. Witnesses at trial, including a relative of the Hammonds, testified the arson occurred shortly after Steven Hammond and his hunting party illegally slaughtered several deer on BLM property. Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out “Strike Anywhere” matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to “light up the whole country on fire.” One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson. The fire consumed 139 acres of public land and destroyed all evidence of the game violations. After committing the arson, Steven Hammond called the BLM office in Burns, Oregon and claimed the fire was started on Hammond property to burn off invasive species and had inadvertently burned onto public lands. Dwight and Steven Hammond told one of their relatives to keep his mouth shut and that nobody needed to know about the fire.

"The jury also convicted Steven Hammond of using fire to destroy federal property regarding a 2006 arson known as the Krumbo Butte Fire located in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge and Steen Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. An August lightning storm started numerous fires and a burn ban was in effect while BLM firefighters fought those fires. Despite the ban, without permission or notification to BLM, Steven Hammond started several “back fires” in an attempt save the ranch’s winter feed. The fires burned onto public land and were seen by BLM firefighters camped nearby. The firefighters took steps to ensure their safety and reported the arsons."

Eastern Oregon Ranchers Convicted of Arson Resentenced to Five Years in Prison | USAO-OR | Department of Justice

Agit8, thank you for posting the official charges and witness accounts. I wondered about the specific of the charges. I also know that the northwest is very serious about fires, especially forest fires. I am assuming the Hammonds are aware of that even more than a Michigander like me. And they at least surrendered peacefully, for which I applaud them.

Wildfires are a considerable problem here, yes. Doubly a problem for those with respiratory disorders.

 

[Agit8r]

Guns? No problem
Threats? Big Deal
Arson? Controlled burn lol

Man, its funny to see the same bunch who cry at every protest be the same ones to defend shit like Arson by calling it a "controlled burn". How was it controlled? LOL

Could you be more ridiculous, please?

I can. That CVS in Baltimore was a controlled burn too