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I am all for the Bundys. They are on the right.
But they have to tread really carefully.....with Hussein wanting to ban guns, and all that... not the most perfect timing....you know what I'm saying?
And whatever they do...they should not fire the first shot.
I'm sure cooler heads will prevail.
How ridiculous. Everybody else knows what the issue is....if you are too stupid to read the material please do everybody a favor and quit wasting bandwidth.Allie....when can we be expecting an answer as to who owned that land before the Feds?
As well as what peach174 said -
Feds holding and leasing BLM land is not abuse, but taking land that belongs to ranchers that holds deeds is.
This is a claim I have never heard before but I'm sure that peach174 will be along any minute now with a link.
Just like koshergrl will post links to her claim that this is not about getting use of land for free.
Right?
IOW, you're wrong and you know it.
Gotta go but if you can come up with some proof of your claim "They want the Fed's to surrender the property they stole to state control." (whatever THAT means!), by all means post it.
Prove that the land was stolen from the welfare ranchers.
Same to peach174
Still no facts from koshergrl or peach174
I've posted reams of facts, names, and history. You're too stupid to read, and that's not my problem. Back on ignore you go, loser.
Which the journalist stated he'd paid for before offering.Really, you don't understand land management issues, so you should abstain from exposing your ignorance.Could you be more ridiculous, please?Guns? No problem
Threats? Big Deal
Arson? Controlled burn lol
Man, its funny to see the same bunch who cry at every protest be the same ones to defend shit like Arson by calling it a "controlled burn". How was it controlled? LOL
I can. That CVS in Baltimore was a controlled burn too
Really? Maybe you should abstain from discussions on law and criminality. I grew up in the boondocks. From a very young age, I was aware that going onto property that wasn't yours and f~cking it up was wrong and illegal. And yet people like yourself have reached the age of majority without ever attaining this moral sense. Pathetic.
A link I posted earlier had a bit about the yee-hadists are vandalizing and stealing from the site. One of them asked a journalist if they wanted a souvenir.
The law enforcement folks have them on ignore.Also, why don't they just go to the store? Nobody is stopping them.
I provide facts and you pretend they're opinions.How ridiculous. Everybody else knows what the issue is....if you are too stupid to read the material please do everybody a favor and quit wasting bandwidth.As well as what peach174 said -
Feds holding and leasing BLM land is not abuse, but taking land that belongs to ranchers that holds deeds is.
This is a claim I have never heard before but I'm sure that peach174 will be along any minute now with a link.
Just like koshergrl will post links to her claim that this is not about getting use of land for free.
Right?
IOW, you're wrong and you know it.
Gotta go but if you can come up with some proof of your claim "They want the Fed's to surrender the property they stole to state control." (whatever THAT means!), by all means post it.
Prove that the land was stolen from the welfare ranchers.
Same to peach174
Still no facts from koshergrl or peach174
I've posted reams of facts, names, and history. You're too stupid to read, and that's not my problem. Back on ignore you go, loser.
No koshergrl you have not.
You just spew opinions and pretend they're facts.
The Property Clause Article lV Section 3 Clause 2This is all about deciding how taxpayer property is going to be used. The old timer traditional cattle ranchers want to continue the tradition and the 21rst Century proponents are ready to value the lands for something more than massive feed lots for ranchers living in the 19th and 20th century. The rhetoric about freedom and the constitution are just being used as covers for desperate old guys trying to hang on to the past and demanding the taxpayers support and subsidize them.
Yeth, those ranchers should raise Quinoa and Tofu anyway...
Say Camp, you are occasionally lucid, by what Constitutional authority does the federal government own 92% of the land in the west anyway?
He's a libtard. That's what libtards do.I provide facts and you pretend they're opinions.How ridiculous. Everybody else knows what the issue is....if you are too stupid to read the material please do everybody a favor and quit wasting bandwidth.
IOW, you're wrong and you know it.
Gotta go but if you can come up with some proof of your claim "They want the Fed's to surrender the property they stole to state control." (whatever THAT means!), by all means post it.
Prove that the land was stolen from the welfare ranchers.
Same to peach174
Still no facts from koshergrl or peach174
I've posted reams of facts, names, and history. You're too stupid to read, and that's not my problem. Back on ignore you go, loser.
No koshergrl you have not.
You just spew opinions and pretend they're facts.
Credible link?A controlled burn is not arson, dumbass, and neither is it terrorism.Yeah. they are just mad because judges sentenced a couple of arsonists. boo hoo
So you are OK with prosecuting people who started fires on their own land it land that they have used for more than 20 years, over a fire that was done over 15 years ago?
You are a special kind of fuck face twat, arent you?
Dude do you ever do your research before trashing people with your uncivilized attitude? I put this link for you so you do not embarrassed yourself.
Eastern Oregon Ranchers Convicted of Arson Resentenced to Five Years in Prison
EUGENE, Ore. – Dwight Lincoln Hammond, Jr., 73, and his son, Steven Dwight Hammond, 46, both residents of Diamond, Oregon in Harney County, were sentenced to five years in prison by Chief U.S. District Judge Ann Aiken for arsons they committed on federal lands.
A jury sitting in Pendleton, Oregon found the Hammonds guilty of the arsons after a two-week trial in June 2012. The trial involved allegations that the Hammonds, owners of Hammond Ranches, Inc., ignited a series of fires on lands managed by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM), on which the Hammonds had grazing rights leased to them for their cattle operation.
The jury convicted both of the Hammonds of using fire to destroy federal property for a 2001 arson known as the Hardie-Hammond Fire, located in the Steens Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. Witnesses at trial, including a relative of the Hammonds, testified the arson occurred shortly after Steven Hammond and his hunting party illegally slaughtered several deer on BLM property. Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out “Strike Anywhere” matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to “light up the whole country on fire.” One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson. The fire consumed 139 acres of public land and destroyed all evidence of the game violations. After committing the arson, Steven Hammond called the BLM office in Burns, Oregon and claimed the fire was started on Hammond property to burn off invasive species and had inadvertently burned onto public lands. Dwight and Steven Hammond told one of their relatives to keep his mouth shut and that nobody needed to know about the fire.
The jury also convicted Steven Hammond of using fire to destroy federal property regarding a 2006 arson known as the Krumbo Butte Fire located in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge and Steen Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. An August lightning storm started numerous fires and a burn ban was in effect while BLM firefighters fought those fires. Despite the ban, without permission or notification to BLM, Steven Hammond started several “back fires” in an attempt save the ranch’s winter feed. The fires burned onto public land and were seen by BLM firefighters camped nearby. The firefighters took steps to ensure their safety and reported the arsons.
Eastern Oregon Ranchers Convicted of Arson Resentenced to Five Years in Prison | USAO-OR | Department of Justice
A DOJ link? Are you kidding us? I guess you believe anything this Admin. tells you.........for example, if you like your doctor, than you can keep your doctor................
The Assistant U.S. Attorneys in the case are based in Oregon.
The particular voice that demanded it be dragged into the ninth circus was a demented Obama appointee who has since been retired to the funny farm, after she approached a Mexican drug cartel member to kill a fellow bar member (that she had, incidentally, also been stalking).
Armed occupation of Federal Property is sedition. Considered a pretty serious crime.LOL. The Hammond's are prisoners of a poorly written law mandating minimum sentences. Since the law was passed because of some fruitloop eco-terrorists, you almost certainly supported it. It is unjust in this case, and should not have been applied. But it's application was perfectly legal in all aspects. All too often perfectly legal has nothing to do with justice.
Now idiots like you are trying to make it into a case against the President and government. The law pre-dates 2008, and its unjust enforcement is a matter for the courts. The Bundy's are taking the focus away from that, and actually hurting the Hammod's, not that they give a damn.
Comrade;
What sentence did the presiding judge in the Hammond's trial hand down?
Did the Hammond's serve that sentence? Yes, or no?
Are they convicted criminals yes or no?
Should gangs start doing similar things to get gang bangers lighter sentences?
Wtf? How does that even follow, you nut?
They are using guns to try to get these criminals a shorter sentence. Would you support gangs doing the same thing?
Nonsense. The Hammonds are already in jail, they reported themselves. The protesters occupied a public building that wasn't being used. They're moving in and out of the building, going to the store, hanging out with the locals. They haven't stolen anything, they haven't set fire to anything, they haven't hurt anybody. People are visiting them there. The only crime they're even thinking of charging them with is trespassing, and that's just a violation.
OK, you are away from your home, and someone move in with firearms, states they are going to shoot anyone that tries to remove them. But the buildings were empty of people when they moved in. That is absolutely the stupidest arguement I have ever heard. Are you mentally impaired?At the point of a gun? The buildings were empty of people.You are distorting and misrepresenting the case being discussed. You want it to be something it is not. Whether you or I agree or not in regards to the fairness of the case and sentencing is irrelevant to the situation where armed thugs have taken over taxpayer-owned property at the point of a gun and threat of violence. You are for domestic terrorism or against it, that is what the topic narrows down to.A little drawn out and long, but an impressive bitch slap.
I take it you would support a situation where a man in his 20's was convicted of shoplifting, given 6 months in prison, then released. 30 years later he protests against an action by Obama, so a federal judge orders him to 10 years of prison on the shoplifting charge, arguing the original sentence was too light?
Is this what you of the left see as the "brave new world?"
If so, the Bundy is correct and we no longer are a nation of law.
On their lawyers advice, of course.And he's lying. The locals don't mind them there. The locals are thrilled that FINALLY their situation is getting some attention.Infidels who fail to bow to the living god you worship.
So can you get Reno out their to kill them and their families?
I thought you wanted to slaughter them all? These are white people. Isn't it the policy of the democratic - socialist party that whites should be killed on sight? Remember, white lives don't matter.
That is incorrect. Do you have a LINK to support your claim? Even the Hanmond family reject these assholes.
Oregon ranchers reject Cliven Bundy family occupation
So far I have not seen a proof from KG or you that the locals or the Hammond are thrilled that they are getting attention because of these assholes.
You haven't seen proof that the locals are "calling for their removal", either.
Dude..... Your brain is messed up. Since when a POTUS dictate every court decisions about crimes such as arson? Do you have a proof Obama is involved in this case?
When the Hammond's finished their prison sentence and were released in accordance to the law, they began agitating against the BLM. Quickly after that the KGB kidnapped them and the courts imposed prison terms for crimes they had already served their sentence on. Obviously they were on Obama's enemies list and he sicked his dogs on them.
In the grand scheme of all the issues facing this nation who really gives a phuck if some disgruntled ranchers occupied a vacant building? Stupid
A controlled burn is not arson, dumbass, and neither is it terrorism.Yeah. they are just mad because judges sentenced a couple of arsonists. boo hoo
So you are OK with prosecuting people who started fires on their own land it land that they have used for more than 20 years, over a fire that was done over 15 years ago?
You are a special kind of fuck face twat, arent you?
Dude do you ever do your research before trashing people with your uncivilized attitude? I put this link for you so you do not embarrassed yourself.
Eastern Oregon Ranchers Convicted of Arson Resentenced to Five Years in Prison
EUGENE, Ore. – Dwight Lincoln Hammond, Jr., 73, and his son, Steven Dwight Hammond, 46, both residents of Diamond, Oregon in Harney County, were sentenced to five years in prison by Chief U.S. District Judge Ann Aiken for arsons they committed on federal lands.
A jury sitting in Pendleton, Oregon found the Hammonds guilty of the arsons after a two-week trial in June 2012. The trial involved allegations that the Hammonds, owners of Hammond Ranches, Inc., ignited a series of fires on lands managed by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM), on which the Hammonds had grazing rights leased to them for their cattle operation.
The jury convicted both of the Hammonds of using fire to destroy federal property for a 2001 arson known as the Hardie-Hammond Fire, located in the Steens Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. Witnesses at trial, including a relative of the Hammonds, testified the arson occurred shortly after Steven Hammond and his hunting party illegally slaughtered several deer on BLM property. Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out “Strike Anywhere” matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to “light up the whole country on fire.” One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson. The fire consumed 139 acres of public land and destroyed all evidence of the game violations. After committing the arson, Steven Hammond called the BLM office in Burns, Oregon and claimed the fire was started on Hammond property to burn off invasive species and had inadvertently burned onto public lands. Dwight and Steven Hammond told one of their relatives to keep his mouth shut and that nobody needed to know about the fire.
The jury also convicted Steven Hammond of using fire to destroy federal property regarding a 2006 arson known as the Krumbo Butte Fire located in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge and Steen Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. An August lightning storm started numerous fires and a burn ban was in effect while BLM firefighters fought those fires. Despite the ban, without permission or notification to BLM, Steven Hammond started several “back fires” in an attempt save the ranch’s winter feed. The fires burned onto public land and were seen by BLM firefighters camped nearby. The firefighters took steps to ensure their safety and reported the arsons.
Eastern Oregon Ranchers Convicted of Arson Resentenced to Five Years in Prison | USAO-OR | Department of Justice
A DOJ link? Are you kidding us? I guess you believe anything this Admin. tells you.........for example, if you like your doctor, than you can keep your doctor...............
The Assistant U.S. Attorneys in the case are based in Oregon.
And............?........that gives them credibility?
