Assholes making trouble in Oregon

[Wry Catcher]

This is all about deciding how taxpayer property is going to be used. The old timer traditional cattle ranchers want to continue the tradition and the 21rst Century proponents are ready to value the lands for something more than massive feed lots for ranchers living in the 19th and 20th century. The rhetoric about freedom and the constitution are just being used as covers for desperate old guys trying to hang on to the past and demanding the taxpayers support and subsidize them.

Yeth, those ranchers should raise Quinoa and Tofu anyway...

Say Camp, you are occasionally lucid, by what Constitutional authority does the federal government own 92% of the land in the west anyway?

The Property Clause Article lV Section 3 Clause 2
Before there was BLM, National Forest, National Parks, National Monuments, Wildlife Preserves and whatever, we just called our property territory.

We? What did the Native American's call it?

 

[BULLDOG]

Funny you think they aren't.

Try to walk into a post office in the middle of the night to get your mail

You'll be slapped with a charge of felony trespass then you can explain to the judge that you own the post office and have the right to enter it whenever you want

I do it quite often. The counter area is closed, but the P.O. boxes are accessible.

I don't have a PO box so I can't get my mail from the building I own can I?

Why should I have to pay for a PO box in a building you say I own anyway?

So WE don't have to pay someone to work there 24/7.

Why do we have to pay people to work in a building we own?

If we own it we should all be able to walk in any time and have access to everything

We don't ergo we don't own it

If you're that dumb, you wouldn't understand the answer anyway.

 

[Camp]

Anti-Constitution dopes claiming to be "protecting" the Constitution have criminally taken over possession of property owned by the citizens of America. The property they have taken over and are attempting to steal for redistribution under their misinterpretation is in fact, every American citizen's birthright ownership as stipulated and written into the Constitution by the founding fathers.

Property Clause Article lV Section 3 Clause 2

"The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to prejudice any claims of the United States or of any particular state."

The founders recognized territories and wrote the ownership and control of those territories into the Constitution. The various states other than the first 13 colonies were territories before they became states. They became states understanding and accepting that unclaimed lands within their borders would remain the property of the United States. The new States did not have resources to protect or care for those lands. They were dependent on protection from US Military forces, Marshalls and courts and the creation of infrastructures and maintenance by federal funds and agencies.

The property currently being held in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon were a part of Oregon Territory and when Oregon became a state remained US property by virtue of its unclaimed ownership. Portions not acquired by Treaty with Paiute native Americans (in reality, all of it) or direct cash payments to privately owned ranches after Treaties were made with the Paiutes have been the public property of the United State since these various methods of acquiring the property.

annenbergclassroom.org/page/article-iv-section-3

heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/4/essays/126/property-clause

Funny you think government buildings are owned by the citizens

Funny you think they aren't.

Try to walk into a post office in the middle of the night to get your mail

You'll be slapped with a charge of felony trespass then you can explain to the judge that you own the post office and have the right to enter it whenever you want

I don't recall when it was that liberals/lefties became such Fascist ? and they've build up so much hate for their own fellow countrymen and women. it's damn ugly though
all this over a gawddam BUILDING

It is an old historical building built in the Great Depression and is the visitor center. Occupation by armed men prevents people from visiting the refuge. Why should we be providing utilities to these people? Plus, they are doing more than just occupying a building. They are using our ATV's, trucks, maintenance garage, tools, generators, fuel, etc.
Does not wanting strangers to come live in your house when you go away for a weekend or holiday make you a fascist? Would you be angry when you came home and a bunch of guys with semi-auto rifles told you they liked your place and had decided to stay for awhile?

 

[Old Rocks]

That is incorrect. Do you have a LINK to support your claim? Even the Hanmond family reject these assholes.

Oregon ranchers reject Cliven Bundy family occupation

On their lawyers advice, of course.

So far I have not seen a proof from KG or you that the locals or the Hammond are thrilled that they are getting attention because of these assholes.

You haven't seen proof that the locals are "calling for their removal", either.

Read the entirety of this link and it tells you that hundreds of residents that attend town hall meeting rejecting these dudes.

Tribe in Oregon blasts takeover
Native tribe blasts Oregon takeover - CNN.com

The Paiute got there in the 1700s. The blm is their enemy too, but they're so stupid and hateful they've forgotten.

At the meeting yesterday, the locals overwhelmingly expressed gratitude that Bundy had brought attention to the situation.Residents near Oregon standoff like militants' message, but still want them to leave the Oregonian, which has been ridiculing and running farcical memes about the situation, is trying really really hard to mislead the public by presenting the stories as if the locals are clamoring for the bundys to leave...but they aren't. Everybody applauds the attention the occupation has brought. They are visiting the refuge and the bundys by the dozens....bringing them supplies, praying with them, giving them support. They carefully couch their statements in terms that won't bring the law down on them, by saying they don't approve of trespass...but they ALL voice appreciation. The sheriff said he himself will escort them out of the county when they go.

Out of the county to the nearest Federal Pen. LOL

 

[Weatherman2020]

Anti-Constitution dopes claiming to be "protecting" the Constitution have criminally taken over possession of property owned by the citizens of America. The property they have taken over and are attempting to steal for redistribution under their misinterpretation is in fact, every American citizen's birthright ownership as stipulated and written into the Constitution by the founding fathers.

Property Clause Article lV Section 3 Clause 2

"The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to prejudice any claims of the United States or of any particular state."

The founders recognized territories and wrote the ownership and control of those territories into the Constitution. The various states other than the first 13 colonies were territories before they became states. They became states understanding and accepting that unclaimed lands within their borders would remain the property of the United States. The new States did not have resources to protect or care for those lands. They were dependent on protection from US Military forces, Marshalls and courts and the creation of infrastructures and maintenance by federal funds and agencies.

The property currently being held in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon were a part of Oregon Territory and when Oregon became a state remained US property by virtue of its unclaimed ownership. Portions not acquired by Treaty with Paiute native Americans (in reality, all of it) or direct cash payments to privately owned ranches after Treaties were made with the Paiutes have been the public property of the United State since these various methods of acquiring the property.

annenbergclassroom.org/page/article-iv-section-3

heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/4/essays/126/property-clause

Didn't hear anyone from the left say the Occupoopers need to get off public property.
More selective outrage.

 

[koshergrl]

A controlled burn is not arson, dumbass, and neither is it terrorism.

So you are OK with prosecuting people who started fires on their own land it land that they have used for more than 20 years, over a fire that was done over 15 years ago?

You are a special kind of fuck face twat, arent you?

Dude do you ever do your research before trashing people with your uncivilized attitude? I put this link for you so you do not embarrassed yourself.

Eastern Oregon Ranchers Convicted of Arson Resentenced to Five Years in Prison

EUGENE, Ore. – Dwight Lincoln Hammond, Jr., 73, and his son, Steven Dwight Hammond, 46, both residents of Diamond, Oregon in Harney County, were sentenced to five years in prison by Chief U.S. District Judge Ann Aiken for arsons they committed on federal lands.

A jury sitting in Pendleton, Oregon found the Hammonds guilty of the arsons after a two-week trial in June 2012. The trial involved allegations that the Hammonds, owners of Hammond Ranches, Inc., ignited a series of fires on lands managed by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM), on which the Hammonds had grazing rights leased to them for their cattle operation.

The jury convicted both of the Hammonds of using fire to destroy federal property for a 2001 arson known as the Hardie-Hammond Fire, located in the Steens Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. Witnesses at trial, including a relative of the Hammonds, testified the arson occurred shortly after Steven Hammond and his hunting party illegally slaughtered several deer on BLM property. Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out “Strike Anywhere” matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to “light up the whole country on fire.” One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson. The fire consumed 139 acres of public land and destroyed all evidence of the game violations. After committing the arson, Steven Hammond called the BLM office in Burns, Oregon and claimed the fire was started on Hammond property to burn off invasive species and had inadvertently burned onto public lands. Dwight and Steven Hammond told one of their relatives to keep his mouth shut and that nobody needed to know about the fire.

The jury also convicted Steven Hammond of using fire to destroy federal property regarding a 2006 arson known as the Krumbo Butte Fire located in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge and Steen Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. An August lightning storm started numerous fires and a burn ban was in effect while BLM firefighters fought those fires. Despite the ban, without permission or notification to BLM, Steven Hammond started several “back fires” in an attempt save the ranch’s winter feed. The fires burned onto public land and were seen by BLM firefighters camped nearby. The firefighters took steps to ensure their safety and reported the arsons.

Eastern Oregon Ranchers Convicted of Arson Resentenced to Five Years in Prison | USAO-OR | Department of Justice

A DOJ link? Are you kidding us? I guess you believe anything this Admin. tells you.........for example, if you like your doctor, than you can keep your doctor................

The Assistant U.S. Attorneys in the case are based in Oregon.

The particular voice that demanded it be dragged into the ninth circus was a demented Obama appointee who has since been retired to the funny farm, after she approached a Mexican drug cartel member to kill a fellow bar member (that she had, incidentally, also been stalking).

Do you have a link to support your claim? So far you have not provided any link that I requested.

Oregon's top federal prosecutor traveled from commune to the corner office
UNBELIEVABLE Update - Oregon "Bundy Militia" Standoff - The U.S. Attorney At The Heart of The Hammond Family Problem...

 

[Old Rocks]

That is incorrect. Do you have a LINK to support your claim? Even the Hanmond family reject these assholes.

Oregon ranchers reject Cliven Bundy family occupation

On their lawyers advice, of course.

So far I have not seen a proof from KG or you that the locals or the Hammond are thrilled that they are getting attention because of these assholes.

You haven't seen proof that the locals are "calling for their removal", either.

Read the entirety of this link and it tells you that hundreds of residents that attend town hall meeting rejecting these dudes.

Tribe in Oregon blasts takeover
Native tribe blasts Oregon takeover - CNN.com

The Paiute got there in the 1700s. The blm is their enemy too, but they're so stupid and hateful they've forgotten.

At the meeting yesterday, the locals overwhelmingly expressed gratitude that Bundy had brought attention to the situation.Residents near Oregon standoff like militants' message, but still want them to leave the Oregonian, which has been ridiculing and running farcical memes about the situation, is trying really really hard to mislead the public by presenting the stories as if the locals are clamoring for the bundys to leave...but they aren't. Everybody applauds the attention the occupation has brought. They are visiting the refuge and the bundys by the dozens....bringing them supplies, praying with them, giving them support. They carefully couch their statements in terms that won't bring the law down on them, by saying they don't approve of trespass...but they ALL voice appreciation. The sheriff said he himself will escort them out of the county when they go.

My, my, I am sure the Paiute appreciate your opinion. Kosher speaks for a very small minority here in Oregon. She should move to Nevada, where they think locos are normal.

 

[koshergrl]

And he's lying. The locals don't mind them there. The locals are thrilled that FINALLY their situation is getting some attention.

That is incorrect. Do you have a LINK to support your claim? Even the Hanmond family reject these assholes.

Oregon ranchers reject Cliven Bundy family occupation

On their lawyers advice, of course.

So far I have not seen a proof from KG or you that the locals or the Hammond are thrilled that they are getting attention because of these assholes.

You haven't seen proof that the locals are "calling for their removal", either.

Read the entirety of this link and it tells you that hundreds of residents that attend town hall meeting rejecting these dudes.

Tribe in Oregon blasts takeover
Native tribe blasts Oregon takeover - CNN.com

Lol

 

[koshergrl]

On their lawyers advice, of course.

So far I have not seen a proof from KG or you that the locals or the Hammond are thrilled that they are getting attention because of these assholes.

You haven't seen proof that the locals are "calling for their removal", either.

Read the entirety of this link and it tells you that hundreds of residents that attend town hall meeting rejecting these dudes.

Tribe in Oregon blasts takeover
Native tribe blasts Oregon takeover - CNN.com

The Paiute got there in the 1700s. The blm is their enemy too, but they're so stupid and hateful they've forgotten.

At the meeting yesterday, the locals overwhelmingly expressed gratitude that Bundy had brought attention to the situation.Residents near Oregon standoff like militants' message, but still want them to leave the Oregonian, which has been ridiculing and running farcical memes about the situation, is trying really really hard to mislead the public by presenting the stories as if the locals are clamoring for the bundys to leave...but they aren't. Everybody applauds the attention the occupation has brought. They are visiting the refuge and the bundys by the dozens....bringing them supplies, praying with them, giving them support. They carefully couch their statements in terms that won't bring the law down on them, by saying they don't approve of trespass...but they ALL voice appreciation. The sheriff said he himself will escort them out of the county when they go.

My, my, I am sure the Paiute appreciate your opinion. Kosher speaks for a very small minority here in Oregon. She should move to Nevada, where they think locos are normal.

Says the statist nutjob.

 

[Camp]

Anti-Constitution dopes claiming to be "protecting" the Constitution have criminally taken over possession of property owned by the citizens of America. The property they have taken over and are attempting to steal for redistribution under their misinterpretation is in fact, every American citizen's birthright ownership as stipulated and written into the Constitution by the founding fathers.

Property Clause Article lV Section 3 Clause 2

"The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to prejudice any claims of the United States or of any particular state."

The founders recognized territories and wrote the ownership and control of those territories into the Constitution. The various states other than the first 13 colonies were territories before they became states. They became states understanding and accepting that unclaimed lands within their borders would remain the property of the United States. The new States did not have resources to protect or care for those lands. They were dependent on protection from US Military forces, Marshalls and courts and the creation of infrastructures and maintenance by federal funds and agencies.

The property currently being held in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon were a part of Oregon Territory and when Oregon became a state remained US property by virtue of its unclaimed ownership. Portions not acquired by Treaty with Paiute native Americans (in reality, all of it) or direct cash payments to privately owned ranches after Treaties were made with the Paiutes have been the public property of the United State since these various methods of acquiring the property.

annenbergclassroom.org/page/article-iv-section-3

heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/4/essays/126/property-clause

Didn't hear anyone from the left say the Occupoopers need to get off public property.
More selective outrage.

Sorry, I did not know they were armed and took over a federal facility. It has been my understanding that many of them were arrested and many had their possessions confiscated and destroyed when they refused to tear down their tents erected in city parks.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

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[Camp]

This is all about deciding how taxpayer property is going to be used. The old timer traditional cattle ranchers want to continue the tradition and the 21rst Century proponents are ready to value the lands for something more than massive feed lots for ranchers living in the 19th and 20th century. The rhetoric about freedom and the constitution are just being used as covers for desperate old guys trying to hang on to the past and demanding the taxpayers support and subsidize them.

Yeth, those ranchers should raise Quinoa and Tofu anyway...

Say Camp, you are occasionally lucid, by what Constitutional authority does the federal government own 92% of the land in the west anyway?

The Property Clause Article lV Section 3 Clause 2
Before there was BLM, National Forest, National Parks, National Monuments, Wildlife Preserves and whatever, we just called our property territory.

We? What did the Native American's call it?

Home

 

[Agit8r]

Dude do you ever do your research before trashing people with your uncivilized attitude? I put this link for you so you do not embarrassed yourself.

Eastern Oregon Ranchers Convicted of Arson Resentenced to Five Years in Prison

EUGENE, Ore. – Dwight Lincoln Hammond, Jr., 73, and his son, Steven Dwight Hammond, 46, both residents of Diamond, Oregon in Harney County, were sentenced to five years in prison by Chief U.S. District Judge Ann Aiken for arsons they committed on federal lands.

A jury sitting in Pendleton, Oregon found the Hammonds guilty of the arsons after a two-week trial in June 2012. The trial involved allegations that the Hammonds, owners of Hammond Ranches, Inc., ignited a series of fires on lands managed by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM), on which the Hammonds had grazing rights leased to them for their cattle operation.

The jury convicted both of the Hammonds of using fire to destroy federal property for a 2001 arson known as the Hardie-Hammond Fire, located in the Steens Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. Witnesses at trial, including a relative of the Hammonds, testified the arson occurred shortly after Steven Hammond and his hunting party illegally slaughtered several deer on BLM property. Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out “Strike Anywhere” matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to “light up the whole country on fire.” One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson. The fire consumed 139 acres of public land and destroyed all evidence of the game violations. After committing the arson, Steven Hammond called the BLM office in Burns, Oregon and claimed the fire was started on Hammond property to burn off invasive species and had inadvertently burned onto public lands. Dwight and Steven Hammond told one of their relatives to keep his mouth shut and that nobody needed to know about the fire.

The jury also convicted Steven Hammond of using fire to destroy federal property regarding a 2006 arson known as the Krumbo Butte Fire located in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge and Steen Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. An August lightning storm started numerous fires and a burn ban was in effect while BLM firefighters fought those fires. Despite the ban, without permission or notification to BLM, Steven Hammond started several “back fires” in an attempt save the ranch’s winter feed. The fires burned onto public land and were seen by BLM firefighters camped nearby. The firefighters took steps to ensure their safety and reported the arsons.

Eastern Oregon Ranchers Convicted of Arson Resentenced to Five Years in Prison | USAO-OR | Department of Justice

A DOJ link? Are you kidding us? I guess you believe anything this Admin. tells you.........for example, if you like your doctor, than you can keep your doctor................

The Assistant U.S. Attorneys in the case are based in Oregon.

The particular voice that demanded it be dragged into the ninth circus was a demented Obama appointee who has since been retired to the funny farm, after she approached a Mexican drug cartel member to kill a fellow bar member (that she had, incidentally, also been stalking).

Do you have a link to support your claim? So far you have not provided any link that I requested.

Oregon's top federal prosecutor traveled from commune to the corner office
UNBELIEVABLE Update - Oregon "Bundy Militia" Standoff - The U.S. Attorney At The Heart of The Hammond Family Problem...

That's as local Oregon as it gets.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Anti-Constitution dopes claiming to be "protecting" the Constitution have criminally taken over possession of property owned by the citizens of America. The property they have taken over and are attempting to steal for redistribution under their misinterpretation is in fact, every American citizen's birthright ownership as stipulated and written into the Constitution by the founding fathers.

Property Clause Article lV Section 3 Clause 2

"The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to prejudice any claims of the United States or of any particular state."

The founders recognized territories and wrote the ownership and control of those territories into the Constitution. The various states other than the first 13 colonies were territories before they became states. They became states understanding and accepting that unclaimed lands within their borders would remain the property of the United States. The new States did not have resources to protect or care for those lands. They were dependent on protection from US Military forces, Marshalls and courts and the creation of infrastructures and maintenance by federal funds and agencies.

The property currently being held in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon were a part of Oregon Territory and when Oregon became a state remained US property by virtue of its unclaimed ownership. Portions not acquired by Treaty with Paiute native Americans (in reality, all of it) or direct cash payments to privately owned ranches after Treaties were made with the Paiutes have been the public property of the United State since these various methods of acquiring the property.

annenbergclassroom.org/page/article-iv-section-3

heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/4/essays/126/property-clause

Didn't hear anyone from the left say the Occupoopers need to get off public property.
More selective outrage.

Sorry, I did not know they were armed and took over a federal facility. It has been my understanding that many of them were arrested and many had their possessions confiscated and destroyed when they refused to tear down their tents erected in city parks.

After months of taking over public facilities. One Los Angeles park had 170 tons of garbage removed afterwards and the park was left destroyed by the Occupoopers. Ocupoopers murdered and raped at their protests.

 

[JimH52]

Native tribe blasts Oregon takeover - CNN.com

The townspeople want the idiots to leave and the Indian tribe wants them to leave. The Hammonds have said they want nothing to do with them.

AND THESE IDIOTS CONTINUE TO PLAY STUPID. I have read their are criminals among them and the FBI is waiting for the right time to arrest them.

 

[Moonglow]

Some are the same losers that was with the standoff with another family member in 2014..

 

[TNHarley]

At least they aren't burning down the townfolks houses and businesses

 

[koshergrl]

Who cares what the government sellouts think. They got here like 100 years before we did, and the blm pushed them off too.

 

[Moonglow]

At least they aren't burning down the townfolks houses and businesses

At least...They are tracking in mud and snow..

 

[Camp]

Hopefully, they will be convicted of crimes committed during this latest criminal venture that will prevent them from having their 2nd amendment right.
The only federal facilities these goons should be occupying are prison cells.