Asylum seekers and the solution...

[Darkwind]

Here is the solution to the notion that in order to seek asylum, you must be on US soil.

Build a building right on the border. A locked and well-guarded door is in the back on the US side and leads directly to a Judicial bench.

The door on the Mexican side IS the border. The moment an immigrant crosses the threshold, they are given an application for asylum and a table on the side to sit and fill it out.

When completed, they take the form to the bailiff and he presents it to the presiding judge.

The judge is to make an immediate ruling on the validity of the application. In other words, the application will be adjudicated right on the spot.

If denied, the applicant will be escorted out the Mexican side of the building and set free back into Mexico.

That applicant's name will be entered into a database accessible by ALL US Law Enforcement and if the individual is caught in the US after the application, they are to be charged with a felony.

If approved, the bailiff can escort the individual out the door on the US side of the building.

No one gets an appeal, and no one gets released into our society pending another hearing only to disappear.

The rejected application can be given a form for legal immigration if they desire it and can then fill that form out, on their own time, and submit it through proper channels.

Mothers with children (Proof they are the parents of the children in their custody must be provided upon application) can apply with their children. No need to make each child file for asylum.

Other restrictions can apply, and if anyone has any other ideas of controlling entry into the US, post them here.

 

[Sunni Man]

A complete DNA test for the so called parents and their alleged children before any family is granted asylum.

If the test shows they aren't related.

They will all be denied entry and put on a permanent black list. ....

 

[Darkwind]

A complete DNA test for the so called parents and their alleged children before any family is granted asylum.

If the test shows they aren't related.

They will all be denied entry and put on a permanent black list. ....

Well, the cost for that will be pretty significant. Unless they bring their own test results. I would opt for any credible ID issued by a government that could be verified through normal channels. The applicant will be required to wait on the Mexican side until such documents can be authenticated.

 

[Sunni Man]

Well, the cost for that will be pretty significant. Unless they bring their own test results. I would opt for any credible ID issued by a government that could be verified through normal channels. The applicant will be required to wait on the Mexican side until such documents can be authenticated.

Any document can be easily forged or handed out by corrupt government officials for a small bribe.

The cost of a DNA test is pennies compared to the millions of dollars taxpayers are forced to shell out to an illegal immigrant for housing, food, medical, and other costs over a their entire lifetime. ....

 

[Darkwind]

Well, the cost for that will be pretty significant. Unless they bring their own test results. I would opt for any credible ID issued by a government that could be verified through normal channels. The applicant will be required to wait on the Mexican side until such documents can be authenticated.

Any document can be easily forged or handed out by corrupt government officials for a small bribe.

The cost of a DNA test is pennies compared to the millions of dollars taxpayers are forced to shell out to an illegal immigrant for housing, food, medical, and other costs over a their lifetime. ....

Sure, but I believe in small government and the smaller the costs, the better. By saving on DNA tests AND keeping illegals out, it's a win-win.

 

[candycorn]

Here is the solution to the notion that in order to seek asylum, you must be on US soil.

Build a building right on the border. A locked and well-guarded door is in the back on the US side and leads directly to a Judicial bench.

The door on the Mexican side IS the border. The moment an immigrant crosses the threshold, they are given an application for asylum and a table on the side to sit and fill it out.

When completed, they take the form to the bailiff and he presents it to the presiding judge.

The judge is to make an immediate ruling on the validity of the application. In other words, the application will be adjudicated right on the spot.

If denied, the applicant will be escorted out the Mexican side of the building and set free back into Mexico.

That applicant's name will be entered into a database accessible by ALL US Law Enforcement and if the individual is caught in the US after the application, they are to be charged with a felony.

If approved, the bailiff can escort the individual out the door on the US side of the building.

No one gets an appeal, and no one gets released into our society pending another hearing only to disappear.

The rejected application can be given a form for legal immigration if they desire it and can then fill that form out, on their own time, and submit it through proper channels.

Mothers with children (Proof they are the parents of the children in their custody must be provided upon application) can apply with their children. No need to make each child file for asylum.

Other restrictions can apply, and if anyone has any other ideas of controlling entry into the US, post them here.

I wish Social Security Disability claims were handled that way. You guys should be pissed about that which actually does cost the nation billions. Immigration doesn’t.

 

[Darkwind]

Here is the solution to the notion that in order to seek asylum, you must be on US soil.

Build a building right on the border. A locked and well-guarded door is in the back on the US side and leads directly to a Judicial bench.

The door on the Mexican side IS the border. The moment an immigrant crosses the threshold, they are given an application for asylum and a table on the side to sit and fill it out.

When completed, they take the form to the bailiff and he presents it to the presiding judge.

The judge is to make an immediate ruling on the validity of the application. In other words, the application will be adjudicated right on the spot.

If denied, the applicant will be escorted out the Mexican side of the building and set free back into Mexico.

That applicant's name will be entered into a database accessible by ALL US Law Enforcement and if the individual is caught in the US after the application, they are to be charged with a felony.

If approved, the bailiff can escort the individual out the door on the US side of the building.

No one gets an appeal, and no one gets released into our society pending another hearing only to disappear.

The rejected application can be given a form for legal immigration if they desire it and can then fill that form out, on their own time, and submit it through proper channels.

Mothers with children (Proof they are the parents of the children in their custody must be provided upon application) can apply with their children. No need to make each child file for asylum.

Other restrictions can apply, and if anyone has any other ideas of controlling entry into the US, post them here.

I wish Social Security Disability claims were handled that way. You guys should be pissed about that which actually does cost the nation billions. Immigration doesn’t.

In fact, illegal immigration costs us billions. I'm not sure what you mean by Social Security. I thought you clowns said it was our money?

 

[candycorn]

Here is the solution to the notion that in order to seek asylum, you must be on US soil.

Build a building right on the border. A locked and well-guarded door is in the back on the US side and leads directly to a Judicial bench.

The door on the Mexican side IS the border. The moment an immigrant crosses the threshold, they are given an application for asylum and a table on the side to sit and fill it out.

When completed, they take the form to the bailiff and he presents it to the presiding judge.

The judge is to make an immediate ruling on the validity of the application. In other words, the application will be adjudicated right on the spot.

If denied, the applicant will be escorted out the Mexican side of the building and set free back into Mexico.

That applicant's name will be entered into a database accessible by ALL US Law Enforcement and if the individual is caught in the US after the application, they are to be charged with a felony.

If approved, the bailiff can escort the individual out the door on the US side of the building.

No one gets an appeal, and no one gets released into our society pending another hearing only to disappear.

The rejected application can be given a form for legal immigration if they desire it and can then fill that form out, on their own time, and submit it through proper channels.

Mothers with children (Proof they are the parents of the children in their custody must be provided upon application) can apply with their children. No need to make each child file for asylum.

Other restrictions can apply, and if anyone has any other ideas of controlling entry into the US, post them here.

I wish Social Security Disability claims were handled that way. You guys should be pissed about that which actually does cost the nation billions. Immigration doesn’t.

In fact, illegal immigration costs us billions. I'm not sure what you mean by Social Security. I thought you clowns said it was our money?

Social Security Disability.

Trends With Benefits - This American Life

 

[Darkwind]

Here is the solution to the notion that in order to seek asylum, you must be on US soil.

Build a building right on the border. A locked and well-guarded door is in the back on the US side and leads directly to a Judicial bench.

The door on the Mexican side IS the border. The moment an immigrant crosses the threshold, they are given an application for asylum and a table on the side to sit and fill it out.

When completed, they take the form to the bailiff and he presents it to the presiding judge.

The judge is to make an immediate ruling on the validity of the application. In other words, the application will be adjudicated right on the spot.

If denied, the applicant will be escorted out the Mexican side of the building and set free back into Mexico.

That applicant's name will be entered into a database accessible by ALL US Law Enforcement and if the individual is caught in the US after the application, they are to be charged with a felony.

If approved, the bailiff can escort the individual out the door on the US side of the building.

No one gets an appeal, and no one gets released into our society pending another hearing only to disappear.

The rejected application can be given a form for legal immigration if they desire it and can then fill that form out, on their own time, and submit it through proper channels.

Mothers with children (Proof they are the parents of the children in their custody must be provided upon application) can apply with their children. No need to make each child file for asylum.

Other restrictions can apply, and if anyone has any other ideas of controlling entry into the US, post them here.

I wish Social Security Disability claims were handled that way. You guys should be pissed about that which actually does cost the nation billions. Immigration doesn’t.

In fact, illegal immigration costs us billions. I'm not sure what you mean by Social Security. I thought you clowns said it was our money?

Social Security Disability.

Trends With Benefits - This American Life

I note your attempt to deflect from the topic of the thread, but will just comment with, "What, you don't believe in following the law?"

Color Me shocked.

BTW....My solution should be remarkably familiar to anyone who follows US immigration policy with regard to negotiations between the US, Mexico, and the UN.

care to comment?

 

[candycorn]

Here is the solution to the notion that in order to seek asylum, you must be on US soil.

Build a building right on the border. A locked and well-guarded door is in the back on the US side and leads directly to a Judicial bench.

The door on the Mexican side IS the border. The moment an immigrant crosses the threshold, they are given an application for asylum and a table on the side to sit and fill it out.

When completed, they take the form to the bailiff and he presents it to the presiding judge.

The judge is to make an immediate ruling on the validity of the application. In other words, the application will be adjudicated right on the spot.

If denied, the applicant will be escorted out the Mexican side of the building and set free back into Mexico.

That applicant's name will be entered into a database accessible by ALL US Law Enforcement and if the individual is caught in the US after the application, they are to be charged with a felony.

If approved, the bailiff can escort the individual out the door on the US side of the building.

No one gets an appeal, and no one gets released into our society pending another hearing only to disappear.

The rejected application can be given a form for legal immigration if they desire it and can then fill that form out, on their own time, and submit it through proper channels.

Mothers with children (Proof they are the parents of the children in their custody must be provided upon application) can apply with their children. No need to make each child file for asylum.

Other restrictions can apply, and if anyone has any other ideas of controlling entry into the US, post them here.

I wish Social Security Disability claims were handled that way. You guys should be pissed about that which actually does cost the nation billions. Immigration doesn’t.

In fact, illegal immigration costs us billions. I'm not sure what you mean by Social Security. I thought you clowns said it was our money?

Social Security Disability.

Trends With Benefits - This American Life

I note your attempt to deflect from the topic of the thread, but will just comment with, "What, you don't believe in following the law?"

Color Me shocked.

BTW....My solution should be remarkably familiar to anyone who follows US immigration policy with regard to negotiations between the US, Mexico, and the UN.

care to comment?

You'd have a line from the border to the Falkland islands for one thing so it's incredibly impractical.

We've had a border with Mexico since 1845 or whatever and immigration (both legal and illegal) has taken place at essentially the same levels for most of that time on a year basis. During that time the US economy has grown by leaps and bounds. Clearly the status quo of immigration is not destroying the nation as some would have you believe. The only reason there is this crisis atmosphere is because the blob in the Oval Office said there was one and his dumbass enablers believed him. I personally think there is a much darker motive for the creation of this faux crisis--you'll notice nobody worries about the Canadian border which is much larger and much more porous.

But I digress.

The reason I bring up SSD is because of 2 things. It actually does cost the Taxpayers billions per year ($144B in 2013, estimated to be about $200B now--much more than the wild stories you guys spend about immigration) and the hearings are jokes as the link would have told you. I would prefer your system to what we have in place now which is nobody arguing against the loafer getting SSD for life.

 

[Darkwind]

Here is the solution to the notion that in order to seek asylum, you must be on US soil.

Build a building right on the border. A locked and well-guarded door is in the back on the US side and leads directly to a Judicial bench.

The door on the Mexican side IS the border. The moment an immigrant crosses the threshold, they are given an application for asylum and a table on the side to sit and fill it out.

When completed, they take the form to the bailiff and he presents it to the presiding judge.

The judge is to make an immediate ruling on the validity of the application. In other words, the application will be adjudicated right on the spot.

If denied, the applicant will be escorted out the Mexican side of the building and set free back into Mexico.

That applicant's name will be entered into a database accessible by ALL US Law Enforcement and if the individual is caught in the US after the application, they are to be charged with a felony.

If approved, the bailiff can escort the individual out the door on the US side of the building.

No one gets an appeal, and no one gets released into our society pending another hearing only to disappear.

The rejected application can be given a form for legal immigration if they desire it and can then fill that form out, on their own time, and submit it through proper channels.

Mothers with children (Proof they are the parents of the children in their custody must be provided upon application) can apply with their children. No need to make each child file for asylum.

Other restrictions can apply, and if anyone has any other ideas of controlling entry into the US, post them here.

I wish Social Security Disability claims were handled that way. You guys should be pissed about that which actually does cost the nation billions. Immigration doesn’t.

In fact, illegal immigration costs us billions. I'm not sure what you mean by Social Security. I thought you clowns said it was our money?

Social Security Disability.

Trends With Benefits - This American Life

I note your attempt to deflect from the topic of the thread, but will just comment with, "What, you don't believe in following the law?"
P
Color Me shocked.
BTW....My solution should be remarkably familiar to anyone who follows US immigration policy with regard to negotiations between the US, Mexico, and the UN.

care to comment?

You'd have a line from the border to the Falkland islands for one thing so it's incredibly impractical.

We've had a border with Mexico since 1845 or whatever and immigration (both legal and illegal) has taken place at essentially the same levels for most of that time on a years. During that time the US economy has grown by leaps and bounds. Clearly the status quo of immigration is not destroying the nation as some would have you believe. The only reason there is this crisis atmosphere is because the blob in the Oval Office said there was one and his dumbass enablers believed him. I personally think there is a much darker motive for the creation of this faux crisis--you'll notice nobody worries about the Canadian border which is much larger and much more porous.

But I digress.

The reason I bring up SSD is because of 2 things. It actually does cost the Taxpayers billions per year ($144B in 2013, estimated to be about $200B now--much more than the wild stories you guys spend about immigration) and the hearings are jokes as the link would have told you. I would prefer your system to what we have in place now which is nobody arguing against the loafer getting SSD for life.

Where to begin.

We have had a border with Mexico since the inception of our country. So, ask yourself why the US economy has grown by leaps and bounds while theirs has not? Please do not say because of immigrants, because then I'll know you for a fool if you do.

Clearly, the status quo of immigration has been harming us, it can be seen in our budget. Clearer still, we have not had the illegal problem in the past that we have now. The reason we have a crisis now is that the open border clowns who want to have a welfare state and allow the whole world entrance into our country. Prior to the advent of policy and laws that make it enticing to the poor of the world, we did not have this problem. I blame some of that on the GOP as well as the traitorous Democrats. The GOP for the longest time promoted open immigration for cheap labor. The difference is that the GOP wanted cheap labor from legal immigration, whereas the Democrats want cheap labor because their too good to go pick their own veggies. That and they need votes.

The US/Mexico/UN solution was the perfect one for this problem. Mexico would have allowed these alleged immigrants to remain in Mexico while they have their asylum requests processed. Leave it to the left to say that isn't good enough becuase it will take too long.

Well, guess what. No one cares and no one should care that it is a long process. ONLY that the law is followed. Like the SS law that grants people the right to apply for disability claims.

Of course, we can always change the SS law.

 

[candycorn]

I wish Social Security Disability claims were handled that way. You guys should be pissed about that which actually does cost the nation billions. Immigration doesn’t.

In fact, illegal immigration costs us billions. I'm not sure what you mean by Social Security. I thought you clowns said it was our money?

Social Security Disability.

Trends With Benefits - This American Life

I note your attempt to deflect from the topic of the thread, but will just comment with, "What, you don't believe in following the law?"
P
Color Me shocked.
BTW....My solution should be remarkably familiar to anyone who follows US immigration policy with regard to negotiations between the US, Mexico, and the UN.

care to comment?

You'd have a line from the border to the Falkland islands for one thing so it's incredibly impractical.

We've had a border with Mexico since 1845 or whatever and immigration (both legal and illegal) has taken place at essentially the same levels for most of that time on a years. During that time the US economy has grown by leaps and bounds. Clearly the status quo of immigration is not destroying the nation as some would have you believe. The only reason there is this crisis atmosphere is because the blob in the Oval Office said there was one and his dumbass enablers believed him. I personally think there is a much darker motive for the creation of this faux crisis--you'll notice nobody worries about the Canadian border which is much larger and much more porous.

But I digress.

The reason I bring up SSD is because of 2 things. It actually does cost the Taxpayers billions per year ($144B in 2013, estimated to be about $200B now--much more than the wild stories you guys spend about immigration) and the hearings are jokes as the link would have told you. I would prefer your system to what we have in place now which is nobody arguing against the loafer getting SSD for life.

Where to begin.

We have had a border with Mexico since the inception of our country. So, ask yourself why the US economy has grown by leaps and bounds while theirs has not? Please do not say because of immigrants, because then I'll know you for a fool if you do.

Clearly, the status quo of immigration has been harming us, it can be seen in our budget. Clearer still, we have not had the illegal problem in the past that we have now. The reason we have a crisis now is that the open border clowns who want to have a welfare state and allow the whole world entrance into our country. Prior to the advent of policy and laws that make it enticing to the poor of the world, we did not have this problem. I blame some of that on the GOP as well as the traitorous Democrats. The GOP for the longest time promoted open immigration for cheap labor. The difference is that the GOP wanted cheap labor from legal immigration, whereas the Democrats want cheap labor because their too good to go pick their own veggies. That and they need votes.

The US/Mexico/UN solution was the perfect one for this problem. Mexico would have allowed these alleged immigrants to remain in Mexico while they have their asylum requests processed. Leave it to the left to say that isn't good enough becuase it will take too long.

The expansion of the economy, America's influence, etc... tells a much different story than you do.

Well, guess what. No one cares and no one should care that it is a long process. ONLY that the law is followed. Like the SS law that grants people the right to apply for disability claims.

Of course, we can always change the SS law.

I like your plan for SSD claims.

The politics transcend party in both cases. The "traitorous" moniker is stupid.

 

[Darkwind]

In fact, illegal immigration costs us billions. I'm not sure what you mean by Social Security. I thought you clowns said it was our money?

Social Security Disability.

Trends With Benefits - This American Life

I note your attempt to deflect from the topic of the thread, but will just comment with, "What, you don't believe in following the law?"
P
Color Me shocked.
BTW....My solution should be remarkably familiar to anyone who follows US immigration policy with regard to negotiations between the US, Mexico, and the UN.

care to comment?

You'd have a line from the border to the Falkland islands for one thing so it's incredibly impractical.

We've had a border with Mexico since 1845 or whatever and immigration (both legal and illegal) has taken place at essentially the same levels for most of that time on a years. During that time the US economy has grown by leaps and bounds. Clearly the status quo of immigration is not destroying the nation as some would have you believe. The only reason there is this crisis atmosphere is because the blob in the Oval Office said there was one and his dumbass enablers believed him. I personally think there is a much darker motive for the creation of this faux crisis--you'll notice nobody worries about the Canadian border which is much larger and much more porous.

But I digress.

The reason I bring up SSD is because of 2 things. It actually does cost the Taxpayers billions per year ($144B in 2013, estimated to be about $200B now--much more than the wild stories you guys spend about immigration) and the hearings are jokes as the link would have told you. I would prefer your system to what we have in place now which is nobody arguing against the loafer getting SSD for life.

Where to begin.

We have had a border with Mexico since the inception of our country. So, ask yourself why the US economy has grown by leaps and bounds while theirs has not? Please do not say because of immigrants, because then I'll know you for a fool if you do.

Clearly, the status quo of immigration has been harming us, it can be seen in our budget. Clearer still, we have not had the illegal problem in the past that we have now. The reason we have a crisis now is that the open border clowns who want to have a welfare state and allow the whole world entrance into our country. Prior to the advent of policy and laws that make it enticing to the poor of the world, we did not have this problem. I blame some of that on the GOP as well as the traitorous Democrats. The GOP for the longest time promoted open immigration for cheap labor. The difference is that the GOP wanted cheap labor from legal immigration, whereas the Democrats want cheap labor because their too good to go pick their own veggies. That and they need votes.

The US/Mexico/UN solution was the perfect one for this problem. Mexico would have allowed these alleged immigrants to remain in Mexico while they have their asylum requests processed. Leave it to the left to say that isn't good enough becuase it will take too long.

The expansion of the economy, America's influence, etc... tells a much different story than you do.

Well, guess what. No one cares and no one should care that it is a long process. ONLY that the law is followed. Like the SS law that grants people the right to apply for disability claims.

Of course, we can always change the SS law.

I like your plan for SSD claims.

The politics transcend party in both cases. The "traitorous" moniker is stupid.

It doesn't, but I'm sure you have all kinds of documentation showing otherwise. If you want to talk SS, then by all means, start a thread and I'll consider joining in.

Me, I'll support the USA over foreign immigrants who show up at My door making demands of Me. But then, I support the USA over other nations.

 

[candycorn]

Social Security Disability.

Trends With Benefits - This American Life

I note your attempt to deflect from the topic of the thread, but will just comment with, "What, you don't believe in following the law?"
P
Color Me shocked.
BTW....My solution should be remarkably familiar to anyone who follows US immigration policy with regard to negotiations between the US, Mexico, and the UN.

care to comment?

You'd have a line from the border to the Falkland islands for one thing so it's incredibly impractical.

We've had a border with Mexico since 1845 or whatever and immigration (both legal and illegal) has taken place at essentially the same levels for most of that time on a years. During that time the US economy has grown by leaps and bounds. Clearly the status quo of immigration is not destroying the nation as some would have you believe. The only reason there is this crisis atmosphere is because the blob in the Oval Office said there was one and his dumbass enablers believed him. I personally think there is a much darker motive for the creation of this faux crisis--you'll notice nobody worries about the Canadian border which is much larger and much more porous.

But I digress.

The reason I bring up SSD is because of 2 things. It actually does cost the Taxpayers billions per year ($144B in 2013, estimated to be about $200B now--much more than the wild stories you guys spend about immigration) and the hearings are jokes as the link would have told you. I would prefer your system to what we have in place now which is nobody arguing against the loafer getting SSD for life.

Where to begin.

We have had a border with Mexico since the inception of our country. So, ask yourself why the US economy has grown by leaps and bounds while theirs has not? Please do not say because of immigrants, because then I'll know you for a fool if you do.

Clearly, the status quo of immigration has been harming us, it can be seen in our budget. Clearer still, we have not had the illegal problem in the past that we have now. The reason we have a crisis now is that the open border clowns who want to have a welfare state and allow the whole world entrance into our country. Prior to the advent of policy and laws that make it enticing to the poor of the world, we did not have this problem. I blame some of that on the GOP as well as the traitorous Democrats. The GOP for the longest time promoted open immigration for cheap labor. The difference is that the GOP wanted cheap labor from legal immigration, whereas the Democrats want cheap labor because their too good to go pick their own veggies. That and they need votes.

The US/Mexico/UN solution was the perfect one for this problem. Mexico would have allowed these alleged immigrants to remain in Mexico while they have their asylum requests processed. Leave it to the left to say that isn't good enough becuase it will take too long.

The expansion of the economy, America's influence, etc... tells a much different story than you do.

Well, guess what. No one cares and no one should care that it is a long process. ONLY that the law is followed. Like the SS law that grants people the right to apply for disability claims.

Of course, we can always change the SS law.

I like your plan for SSD claims.

The politics transcend party in both cases. The "traitorous" moniker is stupid.

It doesn't, but I'm sure you have all kinds of documentation showing otherwise.

Again, if illegal immigration was some sort of debilitating phenomenon, ours would not be the largest economy in the world since we have essentially always had illegal immigration; including those from Europe by the way. It used to the be the Irish that you guys hated with NINA and what have you.

If you want to talk SS, then by all means, start a thread and I'll consider joining in.

I bring it up as something that does cost us money with near zero ancillary benefit since, by law, these people drawing SSD cannot earn more than $1,200 a month. I'm sure there are a lot of illegals not working as well but they are not making $15,000 a year for literally doing nothing courtesy of the tax payers. It should be something that you guys would be upset about. But since your master didn't tell you to get upset...you're not.

Me, I'll support the USA over foreign immigrants who show up at My door making demands of Me. But then, I support the USA over other nations.

But you seem to have no problem with your neighbors (about 10,000,000 of them) showing up at your door and making demands of you.

Strange lot, you Trump enablers.

 

[Darkwind]

I note your attempt to deflect from the topic of the thread, but will just comment with, "What, you don't believe in following the law?"
P
Color Me shocked.
BTW....My solution should be remarkably familiar to anyone who follows US immigration policy with regard to negotiations between the US, Mexico, and the UN.

care to comment?

You'd have a line from the border to the Falkland islands for one thing so it's incredibly impractical.

We've had a border with Mexico since 1845 or whatever and immigration (both legal and illegal) has taken place at essentially the same levels for most of that time on a years. During that time the US economy has grown by leaps and bounds. Clearly the status quo of immigration is not destroying the nation as some would have you believe. The only reason there is this crisis atmosphere is because the blob in the Oval Office said there was one and his dumbass enablers believed him. I personally think there is a much darker motive for the creation of this faux crisis--you'll notice nobody worries about the Canadian border which is much larger and much more porous.

But I digress.

The reason I bring up SSD is because of 2 things. It actually does cost the Taxpayers billions per year ($144B in 2013, estimated to be about $200B now--much more than the wild stories you guys spend about immigration) and the hearings are jokes as the link would have told you. I would prefer your system to what we have in place now which is nobody arguing against the loafer getting SSD for life.

Where to begin.

We have had a border with Mexico since the inception of our country. So, ask yourself why the US economy has grown by leaps and bounds while theirs has not? Please do not say because of immigrants, because then I'll know you for a fool if you do.

Clearly, the status quo of immigration has been harming us, it can be seen in our budget. Clearer still, we have not had the illegal problem in the past that we have now. The reason we have a crisis now is that the open border clowns who want to have a welfare state and allow the whole world entrance into our country. Prior to the advent of policy and laws that make it enticing to the poor of the world, we did not have this problem. I blame some of that on the GOP as well as the traitorous Democrats. The GOP for the longest time promoted open immigration for cheap labor. The difference is that the GOP wanted cheap labor from legal immigration, whereas the Democrats want cheap labor because their too good to go pick their own veggies. That and they need votes.

The US/Mexico/UN solution was the perfect one for this problem. Mexico would have allowed these alleged immigrants to remain in Mexico while they have their asylum requests processed. Leave it to the left to say that isn't good enough becuase it will take too long.

The expansion of the economy, America's influence, etc... tells a much different story than you do.

Well, guess what. No one cares and no one should care that it is a long process. ONLY that the law is followed. Like the SS law that grants people the right to apply for disability claims.

Of course, we can always change the SS law.

I like your plan for SSD claims.

The politics transcend party in both cases. The "traitorous" moniker is stupid.

It doesn't, but I'm sure you have all kinds of documentation showing otherwise.

Again, if illegal immigration was some sort of debilitating phenomenon, ours would not be the largest economy in the world since we have essentially always had illegal immigration; including those from Europe by the way. It used to the be the Irish that you guys hated with NINA and what have you.

If you want to talk SS, then by all means, start a thread and I'll consider joining in.

I bring it up as something that does cost us money with near zero ancillary benefit since, by law, these people drawing SSD cannot earn more than $1,200 a month. I'm sure there are a lot of illegals not working as well but they are not making $15,000 a year for literally doing nothing courtesy of the tax payers. It should be something that you guys would be upset about. But since your master didn't tell you to get upset...you're not.

Me, I'll support the USA over foreign immigrants who show up at My door making demands of Me. But then, I support the USA over other nations.

But you seem to have no problem with your neighbors (about 10,000,000 of them) showing up at your door and making demands of you.

Strange lot, you Trump enablers.

Again, we do NOT owe our economy to illegal immigration. Never have. To make such a claim is to stretch credibility beyond breaking.

I agree, SS does cost us money and we should have done away with it a long time ago. Of course, people lose their minds when we start talking about real solutions. None of which has anything to do with illegal immigration except, of course, those illegals who manage to scam the system and collect SS without having ever had to pay into it. Kind of like our social safety net.

None of My neighbors show up at My door, but they have been showing up at OUR door, demanding that we take them in. Instead of them taking matters into their own hands and overthrowing their own governments. It is what desperate people do, isn't it? Oh, maybe if they weren't disarmed...

 

[candycorn]

You'd have a line from the border to the Falkland islands for one thing so it's incredibly impractical.

We've had a border with Mexico since 1845 or whatever and immigration (both legal and illegal) has taken place at essentially the same levels for most of that time on a years. During that time the US economy has grown by leaps and bounds. Clearly the status quo of immigration is not destroying the nation as some would have you believe. The only reason there is this crisis atmosphere is because the blob in the Oval Office said there was one and his dumbass enablers believed him. I personally think there is a much darker motive for the creation of this faux crisis--you'll notice nobody worries about the Canadian border which is much larger and much more porous.

But I digress.

The reason I bring up SSD is because of 2 things. It actually does cost the Taxpayers billions per year ($144B in 2013, estimated to be about $200B now--much more than the wild stories you guys spend about immigration) and the hearings are jokes as the link would have told you. I would prefer your system to what we have in place now which is nobody arguing against the loafer getting SSD for life.

Where to begin.

We have had a border with Mexico since the inception of our country. So, ask yourself why the US economy has grown by leaps and bounds while theirs has not? Please do not say because of immigrants, because then I'll know you for a fool if you do.

Clearly, the status quo of immigration has been harming us, it can be seen in our budget. Clearer still, we have not had the illegal problem in the past that we have now. The reason we have a crisis now is that the open border clowns who want to have a welfare state and allow the whole world entrance into our country. Prior to the advent of policy and laws that make it enticing to the poor of the world, we did not have this problem. I blame some of that on the GOP as well as the traitorous Democrats. The GOP for the longest time promoted open immigration for cheap labor. The difference is that the GOP wanted cheap labor from legal immigration, whereas the Democrats want cheap labor because their too good to go pick their own veggies. That and they need votes.

The US/Mexico/UN solution was the perfect one for this problem. Mexico would have allowed these alleged immigrants to remain in Mexico while they have their asylum requests processed. Leave it to the left to say that isn't good enough becuase it will take too long.

The expansion of the economy, America's influence, etc... tells a much different story than you do.

Well, guess what. No one cares and no one should care that it is a long process. ONLY that the law is followed. Like the SS law that grants people the right to apply for disability claims.

Of course, we can always change the SS law.

I like your plan for SSD claims.

The politics transcend party in both cases. The "traitorous" moniker is stupid.

It doesn't, but I'm sure you have all kinds of documentation showing otherwise.

Again, if illegal immigration was some sort of debilitating phenomenon, ours would not be the largest economy in the world since we have essentially always had illegal immigration; including those from Europe by the way. It used to the be the Irish that you guys hated with NINA and what have you.

If you want to talk SS, then by all means, start a thread and I'll consider joining in.

I bring it up as something that does cost us money with near zero ancillary benefit since, by law, these people drawing SSD cannot earn more than $1,200 a month. I'm sure there are a lot of illegals not working as well but they are not making $15,000 a year for literally doing nothing courtesy of the tax payers. It should be something that you guys would be upset about. But since your master didn't tell you to get upset...you're not.

Me, I'll support the USA over foreign immigrants who show up at My door making demands of Me. But then, I support the USA over other nations.

But you seem to have no problem with your neighbors (about 10,000,000 of them) showing up at your door and making demands of you.

Strange lot, you Trump enablers.

Again, we do NOT owe our economy to illegal immigration. Never have. To make such a claim is to stretch credibility beyond breaking.

Funny since I didn't make it. I did say that immigration was not the debilitating phenomenon that we hear that it is today. Had Trump not brought it up as his centerpiece issue...nobody would have given it a second thought for 4 years running. We would not be lobbing tear gas over the border.

I agree, SS does cost us money and we should have done away with it a long time ago. Of course, people lose their minds when we start talking about real solutions. None of which has anything to do with illegal immigration except, of course, those illegals who manage to scam the system and collect SS without having ever had to pay into it. Kind of like our social safety net.

SSD, not Social Security itself. Enormous difference. SS is one of the best ideas we've ever had.

None of My neighbors show up at My door, but they have been showing up at OUR door, demanding that we take them in. Instead of them taking matters into their own hands and overthrowing their own governments. It is what desperate people do, isn't it? Oh, maybe if they weren't disarmed...

You and I spend much more supporting people who won't work because they have high blood pressure and allergies than you spend supporting illegal immigrants.

The difference is I see it as money out of my pocket in both cases. You only care when the money goes to someone who wants to work and don't care when it goes to someone who chooses not to work. Again, it's bizarre but those are the facts.

 

[Darkwind]

Where to begin.

We have had a border with Mexico since the inception of our country. So, ask yourself why the US economy has grown by leaps and bounds while theirs has not? Please do not say because of immigrants, because then I'll know you for a fool if you do.

Clearly, the status quo of immigration has been harming us, it can be seen in our budget. Clearer still, we have not had the illegal problem in the past that we have now. The reason we have a crisis now is that the open border clowns who want to have a welfare state and allow the whole world entrance into our country. Prior to the advent of policy and laws that make it enticing to the poor of the world, we did not have this problem. I blame some of that on the GOP as well as the traitorous Democrats. The GOP for the longest time promoted open immigration for cheap labor. The difference is that the GOP wanted cheap labor from legal immigration, whereas the Democrats want cheap labor because their too good to go pick their own veggies. That and they need votes.

The US/Mexico/UN solution was the perfect one for this problem. Mexico would have allowed these alleged immigrants to remain in Mexico while they have their asylum requests processed. Leave it to the left to say that isn't good enough becuase it will take too long.

The expansion of the economy, America's influence, etc... tells a much different story than you do.

Well, guess what. No one cares and no one should care that it is a long process. ONLY that the law is followed. Like the SS law that grants people the right to apply for disability claims.

Of course, we can always change the SS law.

I like your plan for SSD claims.

The politics transcend party in both cases. The "traitorous" moniker is stupid.

It doesn't, but I'm sure you have all kinds of documentation showing otherwise.

Again, if illegal immigration was some sort of debilitating phenomenon, ours would not be the largest economy in the world since we have essentially always had illegal immigration; including those from Europe by the way. It used to the be the Irish that you guys hated with NINA and what have you.

If you want to talk SS, then by all means, start a thread and I'll consider joining in.

I bring it up as something that does cost us money with near zero ancillary benefit since, by law, these people drawing SSD cannot earn more than $1,200 a month. I'm sure there are a lot of illegals not working as well but they are not making $15,000 a year for literally doing nothing courtesy of the tax payers. It should be something that you guys would be upset about. But since your master didn't tell you to get upset...you're not.

Me, I'll support the USA over foreign immigrants who show up at My door making demands of Me. But then, I support the USA over other nations.

But you seem to have no problem with your neighbors (about 10,000,000 of them) showing up at your door and making demands of you.

Strange lot, you Trump enablers.

Again, we do NOT owe our economy to illegal immigration. Never have. To make such a claim is to stretch credibility beyond breaking.

Funny since I didn't make it. I did say that immigration was not the debilitating phenomenon that we hear that it is today. Had Trump not brought it up as his centerpiece issue...nobody would have given it a second thought for 4 years running. We would not be lobbing tear gas over the border.

I agree, SS does cost us money and we should have done away with it a long time ago. Of course, people lose their minds when we start talking about real solutions. None of which has anything to do with illegal immigration except, of course, those illegals who manage to scam the system and collect SS without having ever had to pay into it. Kind of like our social safety net.

SSD, not Social Security itself. Enormous difference. SS is one of the best ideas we've ever had.

None of My neighbors show up at My door, but they have been showing up at OUR door, demanding that we take them in. Instead of them taking matters into their own hands and overthrowing their own governments. It is what desperate people do, isn't it? Oh, maybe if they weren't disarmed...

You and I spend much more supporting people who won't work because they have high blood pressure and allergies than you spend supporting illegal immigrants.

The difference is I see it as money out of my pocket in both cases. You only care when the money goes to someone who wants to work and don't care when it goes to someone who chooses not to work. Again, it's bizarre but those are the facts.

You are incorrect. Illegal immigration IS the debilitating phenomenon we say it is. I have a question though.

Why are you taking the side of foreigners over those of your own countrymen?

We don't need these people, and we have no obligation to them. The left is not interested in 'compassion' for these people, so why take the position that we MUST accept ANYONE who wants to come to this country?

 

[candycorn]

The expansion of the economy, America's influence, etc... tells a much different story than you do.

I like your plan for SSD claims.

The politics transcend party in both cases. The "traitorous" moniker is stupid.

It doesn't, but I'm sure you have all kinds of documentation showing otherwise.

Again, if illegal immigration was some sort of debilitating phenomenon, ours would not be the largest economy in the world since we have essentially always had illegal immigration; including those from Europe by the way. It used to the be the Irish that you guys hated with NINA and what have you.

If you want to talk SS, then by all means, start a thread and I'll consider joining in.

I bring it up as something that does cost us money with near zero ancillary benefit since, by law, these people drawing SSD cannot earn more than $1,200 a month. I'm sure there are a lot of illegals not working as well but they are not making $15,000 a year for literally doing nothing courtesy of the tax payers. It should be something that you guys would be upset about. But since your master didn't tell you to get upset...you're not.

Me, I'll support the USA over foreign immigrants who show up at My door making demands of Me. But then, I support the USA over other nations.

But you seem to have no problem with your neighbors (about 10,000,000 of them) showing up at your door and making demands of you.

Strange lot, you Trump enablers.

Again, we do NOT owe our economy to illegal immigration. Never have. To make such a claim is to stretch credibility beyond breaking.

Funny since I didn't make it. I did say that immigration was not the debilitating phenomenon that we hear that it is today. Had Trump not brought it up as his centerpiece issue...nobody would have given it a second thought for 4 years running. We would not be lobbing tear gas over the border.

I agree, SS does cost us money and we should have done away with it a long time ago. Of course, people lose their minds when we start talking about real solutions. None of which has anything to do with illegal immigration except, of course, those illegals who manage to scam the system and collect SS without having ever had to pay into it. Kind of like our social safety net.

SSD, not Social Security itself. Enormous difference. SS is one of the best ideas we've ever had.

None of My neighbors show up at My door, but they have been showing up at OUR door, demanding that we take them in. Instead of them taking matters into their own hands and overthrowing their own governments. It is what desperate people do, isn't it? Oh, maybe if they weren't disarmed...

You and I spend much more supporting people who won't work because they have high blood pressure and allergies than you spend supporting illegal immigrants.

The difference is I see it as money out of my pocket in both cases. You only care when the money goes to someone who wants to work and don't care when it goes to someone who chooses not to work. Again, it's bizarre but those are the facts.

You are incorrect. Illegal immigration IS the debilitating phenomenon we say it is. I have a question though.

The well-documented ascension of American power both economic, militaristic, and culturally during the time when we had the traditional immigration policies is proof that you're wrong.

Why are you taking the side of foreigners over those of your own countrymen?

I'm not. I'm pointing out the idiocy of crying about illegal immigrants when others are taking more of a bite out of our largess and contributing very little in return (SSD folks can't make $1200 a month or they lose their status as disabled).

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We don't need these people, and we have no obligation to them. The left is not interested in 'compassion' for these people, so why take the position that we MUST accept ANYONE who wants to come to this country?

You're not representing my position correctly. The OP mentioned some brazenly stupid system to where we have people come up without representation, fill out an asylum form and the judge makes the decision on the spot. I called it stupid.

As for the "need" for these people, if that were true and there were no jobs up here, nobody would be coming. I would submit that someone needs them; likely it is factory farms for the most part. They aren't coming up here for nothing. My preference would be that we stop taking in as many immigrants as we do now from all places, Mexico, Madagascar, Mongolia, Montenegro, etc... We have millions who get SSD, millions more who just do no sort of work at all, older folks who are shunned by employers who would still like to work. Lets stop importing labor from other places in favor of employing more natives.

 

[Darkwind]

It doesn't, but I'm sure you have all kinds of documentation showing otherwise.

Again, if illegal immigration was some sort of debilitating phenomenon, ours would not be the largest economy in the world since we have essentially always had illegal immigration; including those from Europe by the way. It used to the be the Irish that you guys hated with NINA and what have you.

If you want to talk SS, then by all means, start a thread and I'll consider joining in.

I bring it up as something that does cost us money with near zero ancillary benefit since, by law, these people drawing SSD cannot earn more than $1,200 a month. I'm sure there are a lot of illegals not working as well but they are not making $15,000 a year for literally doing nothing courtesy of the tax payers. It should be something that you guys would be upset about. But since your master didn't tell you to get upset...you're not.

Me, I'll support the USA over foreign immigrants who show up at My door making demands of Me. But then, I support the USA over other nations.

But you seem to have no problem with your neighbors (about 10,000,000 of them) showing up at your door and making demands of you.

Strange lot, you Trump enablers.

Again, we do NOT owe our economy to illegal immigration. Never have. To make such a claim is to stretch credibility beyond breaking.

Funny since I didn't make it. I did say that immigration was not the debilitating phenomenon that we hear that it is today. Had Trump not brought it up as his centerpiece issue...nobody would have given it a second thought for 4 years running. We would not be lobbing tear gas over the border.

I agree, SS does cost us money and we should have done away with it a long time ago. Of course, people lose their minds when we start talking about real solutions. None of which has anything to do with illegal immigration except, of course, those illegals who manage to scam the system and collect SS without having ever had to pay into it. Kind of like our social safety net.

SSD, not Social Security itself. Enormous difference. SS is one of the best ideas we've ever had.

None of My neighbors show up at My door, but they have been showing up at OUR door, demanding that we take them in. Instead of them taking matters into their own hands and overthrowing their own governments. It is what desperate people do, isn't it? Oh, maybe if they weren't disarmed...

You and I spend much more supporting people who won't work because they have high blood pressure and allergies than you spend supporting illegal immigrants.

The difference is I see it as money out of my pocket in both cases. You only care when the money goes to someone who wants to work and don't care when it goes to someone who chooses not to work. Again, it's bizarre but those are the facts.

You are incorrect. Illegal immigration IS the debilitating phenomenon we say it is. I have a question though.

The well-documented ascension of American power both economic, militaristic, and culturally during the time when we had the traditional immigration policies is proof that you're wrong.

Why are you taking the side of foreigners over those of your own countrymen?

I'm not. I'm pointing out the idiocy of crying about illegal immigrants when others are taking more of a bite out of our largess and contributing very little in return (SSD folks can't make $1200 a month or they lose their status as disabled).

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We don't need these people, and we have no obligation to them. The left is not interested in 'compassion' for these people, so why take the position that we MUST accept ANYONE who wants to come to this country?

You're not representing my position correctly. The OP mentioned some brazenly stupid system to where we have people come up without representation, fill out an asylum form and the judge makes the decision on the spot. I called it stupid.

As for the "need" for these people, if that were true and there were no jobs up here, nobody would be coming. I would submit that someone needs them; likely it is factory farms for the most part. They aren't coming up here for nothing. My preference would be that we stop taking in as many immigrants as we do now from all places, Mexico, Madagascar, Mongolia, Montenegro, etc... We have millions who get SSD, millions more who just do no sort of work at all, older folks who are shunned by employers who would still like to work. Lets stop importing labor from other places in favor of employing more natives.

Only if you wrongly interpret history.

Others have the right to take that bite from the apple. If you cannot see the difference then its time for you to stop posting in this thread because this about the rights of citizens, not the rights of immigrants.

It is not some stupid system. In fact, it is one that was negotiated between two sovereign states and the UN. What is stupid is believing that we are so stupids as to think that its okay to open our country to them for the purpose of refugee status and then allow them to game the system.

Maybe you're that dumb, the rest of us are not.

 

[candycorn]

Again, if illegal immigration was some sort of debilitating phenomenon, ours would not be the largest economy in the world since we have essentially always had illegal immigration; including those from Europe by the way. It used to the be the Irish that you guys hated with NINA and what have you.


I bring it up as something that does cost us money with near zero ancillary benefit since, by law, these people drawing SSD cannot earn more than $1,200 a month. I'm sure there are a lot of illegals not working as well but they are not making $15,000 a year for literally doing nothing courtesy of the tax payers. It should be something that you guys would be upset about. But since your master didn't tell you to get upset...you're not.

But you seem to have no problem with your neighbors (about 10,000,000 of them) showing up at your door and making demands of you.

Strange lot, you Trump enablers.

Again, we do NOT owe our economy to illegal immigration. Never have. To make such a claim is to stretch credibility beyond breaking.

Funny since I didn't make it. I did say that immigration was not the debilitating phenomenon that we hear that it is today. Had Trump not brought it up as his centerpiece issue...nobody would have given it a second thought for 4 years running. We would not be lobbing tear gas over the border.

I agree, SS does cost us money and we should have done away with it a long time ago. Of course, people lose their minds when we start talking about real solutions. None of which has anything to do with illegal immigration except, of course, those illegals who manage to scam the system and collect SS without having ever had to pay into it. Kind of like our social safety net.

SSD, not Social Security itself. Enormous difference. SS is one of the best ideas we've ever had.

None of My neighbors show up at My door, but they have been showing up at OUR door, demanding that we take them in. Instead of them taking matters into their own hands and overthrowing their own governments. It is what desperate people do, isn't it? Oh, maybe if they weren't disarmed...

You and I spend much more supporting people who won't work because they have high blood pressure and allergies than you spend supporting illegal immigrants.

The difference is I see it as money out of my pocket in both cases. You only care when the money goes to someone who wants to work and don't care when it goes to someone who chooses not to work. Again, it's bizarre but those are the facts.

You are incorrect. Illegal immigration IS the debilitating phenomenon we say it is. I have a question though.

The well-documented ascension of American power both economic, militaristic, and culturally during the time when we had the traditional immigration policies is proof that you're wrong.

Why are you taking the side of foreigners over those of your own countrymen?

I'm not. I'm pointing out the idiocy of crying about illegal immigrants when others are taking more of a bite out of our largess and contributing very little in return (SSD folks can't make $1200 a month or they lose their status as disabled).

[
We don't need these people, and we have no obligation to them. The left is not interested in 'compassion' for these people, so why take the position that we MUST accept ANYONE who wants to come to this country?

You're not representing my position correctly. The OP mentioned some brazenly stupid system to where we have people come up without representation, fill out an asylum form and the judge makes the decision on the spot. I called it stupid.

As for the "need" for these people, if that were true and there were no jobs up here, nobody would be coming. I would submit that someone needs them; likely it is factory farms for the most part. They aren't coming up here for nothing. My preference would be that we stop taking in as many immigrants as we do now from all places, Mexico, Madagascar, Mongolia, Montenegro, etc... We have millions who get SSD, millions more who just do no sort of work at all, older folks who are shunned by employers who would still like to work. Lets stop importing labor from other places in favor of employing more natives.

Only if you wrongly interpret history.

Well, if you think there is larger economy than ours...that is your business.
If you think there was a more influential nation on Earth during the 1900's and into the 2000's, okay...that's your business.
You're wrong on both counts.

Others have the right to take that bite from the apple. If you cannot see the difference then its time for you to stop posting in this thread because this about the rights of citizens, not the rights of immigrants.



It is not some stupid system. In fact, it is one that was negotiated between two sovereign states and the UN. What is stupid is believing that we are so stupids as to think that its okay to open our country to them for the purpose of refugee status and then allow them to game the system.

So you're okay with John Doe "gaming the system" claiming he can't work because of high blood pressure and getting a check from Uncle Sam for much of his life

But

You're not okay with Juan Doe coming into the nation, working at a menial job providing a service and making a living when it is no direct cost to you

Both John and Juan may have kids going to school, show up at the County ER, drive cars on the freeways, and consume public goods and services.


Strange.

Why is that?

Maybe you're that dumb, the rest of us are not.

Sure you are.