At this moment, this Presidency is not going well

[Crepitus]

No matter what you post, what Trump has done for America thus far is multitudes better than the destruction wrought by his predecessor Obama and categorically better than anything Hillary would have done.

He may not be "ideal", but the criticism is misplaced at best.

Finally, it's hard to blame Mr. Trump when your Leftist judges continually run the country from the bench. Seems we have a gallery of Presidents at this point thanks to Leftist obstructionism.

That said, "All that is required for evil men to prevail is for good men to do nothing"

So blame is deserved on both sides.

What destruction did President Obama perpetrate? What is it you think Clinton would have done? Can you point to specifics or are you just spouting crap you've been told to repeat?

 

[jc456]

I'm sure you're right, thanks!
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Yes I am right. For example, the Stock Market fluctuates all the time. That being said, over time, the U.S. stock market gives a positive return. If it did not, there would be no such thing as a 401K. Picking on a short time frame in the stock market in order to blame someone or something on a 'bad' economy is nothing but propaganda. Smart investors know that the best way to invest is 'dollar cost averaging' which has been a tried and true strategy for investing for probably multiple decades going back a long way.

Yes, that is very brilliant stuff there. I'll be sure to pass it on to my CFP/Financial Advisor peers.

Now, my post was clearly and specifically about where we are right now.

Maybe you could have somebody read it to you.
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Your post was pure nonsense . Keep patting your back. You double jointed

 

[candycorn]

Not that it really matters to some, but we're not really in a good place at the moment. Things could turn, and most of us continue to hope for the best. But, as of early morning, August 24, here we are:

The Economy
While the unemployment figures look very good on their face, they are clearly not translating to growth, especially at the cost of the exploding deficit that temporarily goosed the economy. GDP is currently at 2.1%, but we can certainly remain hopeful that it will reverse course and increase. There have been spotty signs that growth-push inflation may be ticking up, but the trade war is clearly effecting sentiment (not to mention data) at a terribly delicate moment. Right now, this is a decent economy, at best, with consumers lacking the resources to push it and their household debt above 2008 levels.

Trade With China
Our President doesn't appear to understand that China is paying attention. They realize quite well that he's trying to bully them into a trade deal, like an eight-year old boy trying to bully another child out of their lunch at the playground. Meanwhile, Trump exhibits zero (0) understanding of the fact that China can theoretically out-wait us here, since they don't have those pesky elections to worry about all that much if the populace gets pissed off. While anything is certainly possible, it's tough to imagine China making any long term commitments until after they see who they're dealing with in January of 2021.

International Relations
Our President has not only isolated himself and his country from the rest of the world with his actions, but also with his petulant behaviors. Even for those of us who have done all we can to lower our standards and expectations of his child-like behavior, the thought of this goofy, pointless dust-up with Denmark (Denmark!) makes us wonder if this man can get along with anyone outside his base. Meanwhile, the crazy fat kid in North Korea is shooting off rockets like he's in charge of the Fourth of July celebration at the park. Like China, the world is clearly looking ahead, with hope, to November 2020.

The Wall
Trump's signature, paranoid, shallow, hyper-simplistic election issue piece isn't exactly flying up with checks to pay for it coming in from Mexico. Even with the White House, House and Senate, this President wasn't able to do much more than slap up a few new two by fours to fix some areas of our existing wall. Any completely "new" wall is spotty at best, and now he's ready to steal cash from one place to placate his base with a few miles of a much less Trumpish wall here and there. Gee, great, so much for that idea. I guess "Build! The! Wall!" could still serve as a standby rally chant when needed.

Race
Well, examining this topic is most likely a waste of time here, since there are many on this board who are telling us that racism no longer exists, or it's fake news, or that if you don't show up to work wearing a white hood you can't be a racist. What a disaster. And minorities are supposed to ignore all of it, because the unemployment rate is down at the moment. While the sycophants continue to run interference for the President Who Doesn't Know Who David Duke is, the rest of the country and the rest of the world are simply not buying the bullshit. But it sure sounds good on talk radio.

The silver lining? By far the most "successful" component of the Trump years will probably turn out to be the courts. The SC is in good shape for them, and they now have the added bonus of hoping that Ruth is quickly ravaged by cancer and dies soon. Ditto (no pun intended) for the lower courts, the nominations of which don't make much news but sure look like Sean Hannity picked 'em.

Could the economy turn back up? Yes, definitely, hopefully, but some kind of GOOD trade deal with China is now pretty much mandatory for that to happen. The Courts are the Courts. They'll probably be able to gather enough Lego™ blocks to build enough of a wall somewhere to keep talk radio and the base happy. International Relations? Race Relations? Pffffft. Who cares. Fake news.
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Perhaps your glass is half empty, Dotard, I see it as half full and getting fuller every day. Just as with the stock market, you have your ups and your downs. You just have to take the good with the bad and be patient. Gee, if you think things are bad now, you must have been ripping your hair out 8 years ago under Obumma.

Another one who can't address my clear and specific posts with clear and specific responses.

Platitudes, insults and Obama. Par for the course.

Holy crap, that must be 25 of you by now.
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I DID, Moron. Can't help you're an idiot. Need it SPELLED OUT FOR YOU?

THE ECONOMY: It goes up and down.
TRADE WITH CHINA: Fuck China. The Tariffs are hitting them at least 4X harder than us, and sooner or later they are going to crack, give in, concede, or be badly damaged as we restructure or trade elsewhere. This is a huge fundamental shift in the planet and will take time.
INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS: We are finding out a lot of our "friends" were only fair weather friends. Now that the USA is asking them to put up their fair share, we are finding out many aren't really our friends. We'll get by. Make new friends. Don't see too many of them worrying about losing OUR friendship!
THE WALL: Slowly getting built piece by piece despite everything the Dems can do to block it.
RACE: Only an issue where the race-baiters want to make it an issue. If you have the moxy, the opportunities are there for you.

Perfect, thanks.

Trumpworld, on full display, right there.
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Whatever, butthead. The economy doesn't go up and down? We're NOT going to beat China at trade? Some of our allies AREN'T fair weather friends? The wall ISN'T slowly getting built? Racial justice ISN'T out there for those who want it being made a political ploy by the Left?

Thanks for your opinion, FWIW, as to TRumpWorld, Learn it, Live, It Love it, because like it or not (and no one gives a shit if you don't), it is the new norm in America and for a long time to come.

No. We’re not going to beat China on trade and the wall will not be built.

The reason discount stores are thriving isn’t because of choice...it’s all most can afford. As prices rise, disposable income which is already small shrinks further.

 

[jc456]

And yet you implied the economy tanking

You just keep trying this. I pointed out where the economy IS RIGHT NOW. I made no projections. Not one.

If this is beyond you, just don't read the thread.
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What does this mean then?

we can certainly remain hopeful that it will reverse course and increase. There have been spotty signs that

You don’t even know what you wrote

My goodness. This really isn't that difficult.

Two quarters ago, GDP was up 3.1%. Last quarter, it was up 2.1%. In Normal Word, that's a downward trend that I'd like to see reverse.

That could happen. I don't know. I made no projections.

Is this really that difficult? Is English your first language?
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You’re so childish you fk. I give two shits your position. There’s no sign of downturn and consumer spending up that’s a key indicator. Plus, as you conveniently left out the entire world is actually in a recession. The US isn’t and is the cause for the inversion but leave that out. You’re just the kind of tool that would do that. You are never honest

You obviously "give two shits", since you keep posting to me. I didn't post to you.

Yes, the world is not in good shape, which makes this trade war an even worse idea.

You guys are really melting down here. Much appreciated.
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You’re the OP, miss informing people, I’ll have none of that. I give two shits your position,

 

[jc456]

I'm sure you're right, thanks!
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Yes I am right. For example, the Stock Market fluctuates all the time. That being said, over time, the U.S. stock market gives a positive return. If it did not, there would be no such thing as a 401K. Picking on a short time frame in the stock market in order to blame someone or something on a 'bad' economy is nothing but propaganda. Smart investors know that the best way to invest is 'dollar cost averaging' which has been a tried and true strategy for investing for probably multiple decades going back a long way.

Yes, that is very brilliant stuff there. I'll be sure to pass it on to my CFP/Financial Advisor peers.

Now, my post was clearly and specifically about where we are right now.

Maybe you could have somebody read it to you.
.

I answered every point in your post yet, you pivot, spin, obfuscate and avoid directly addressing my posts. Perhaps you should ask your Mom or your junior high teacher or something to help you.

Okay, thanks. I'm sure that dollar cost averaging is a key component of our current situation.

Holy crap.
..

You’re truly a putz

 

[jc456]

Not that it really matters to some, but we're not really in a good place at the moment. Things could turn, and most of us continue to hope for the best. But, as of early morning, August 24, here we are:

The Economy
While the unemployment figures look very good on their face, they are clearly not translating to growth, especially at the cost of the exploding deficit that temporarily goosed the economy. GDP is currently at 2.1%, but we can certainly remain hopeful that it will reverse course and increase. There have been spotty signs that growth-push inflation may be ticking up, but the trade war is clearly effecting sentiment (not to mention data) at a terribly delicate moment. Right now, this is a decent economy, at best, with consumers lacking the resources to push it and their household debt above 2008 levels.

Trade With China
Our President doesn't appear to understand that China is paying attention. They realize quite well that he's trying to bully them into a trade deal, like an eight-year old boy trying to bully another child out of their lunch at the playground. Meanwhile, Trump exhibits zero (0) understanding of the fact that China can theoretically out-wait us here, since they don't have those pesky elections to worry about all that much if the populace gets pissed off. While anything is certainly possible, it's tough to imagine China making any long term commitments until after they see who they're dealing with in January of 2021.

International Relations
Our President has not only isolated himself and his country from the rest of the world with his actions, but also with his petulant behaviors. Even for those of us who have done all we can to lower our standards and expectations of his child-like behavior, the thought of this goofy, pointless dust-up with Denmark (Denmark!) makes us wonder if this man can get along with anyone outside his base. Meanwhile, the crazy fat kid in North Korea is shooting off rockets like he's in charge of the Fourth of July celebration at the park. Like China, the world is clearly looking ahead, with hope, to November 2020.

The Wall
Trump's signature, paranoid, shallow, hyper-simplistic election issue piece isn't exactly flying up with checks to pay for it coming in from Mexico. Even with the White House, House and Senate, this President wasn't able to do much more than slap up a few new two by fours to fix some areas of our existing wall. Any completely "new" wall is spotty at best, and now he's ready to steal cash from one place to placate his base with a few miles of a much less Trumpish wall here and there. Gee, great, so much for that idea. I guess "Build! The! Wall!" could still serve as a standby rally chant when needed.

Race
Well, examining this topic is most likely a waste of time here, since there are many on this board who are telling us that racism no longer exists, or it's fake news, or that if you don't show up to work wearing a white hood you can't be a racist. What a disaster. And minorities are supposed to ignore all of it, because the unemployment rate is down at the moment. While the sycophants continue to run interference for the President Who Doesn't Know Who David Duke is, the rest of the country and the rest of the world are simply not buying the bullshit. But it sure sounds good on talk radio.

The silver lining? By far the most "successful" component of the Trump years will probably turn out to be the courts. The SC is in good shape for them, and they now have the added bonus of hoping that Ruth is quickly ravaged by cancer and dies soon. Ditto (no pun intended) for the lower courts, the nominations of which don't make much news but sure look like Sean Hannity picked 'em.

Could the economy turn back up? Yes, definitely, hopefully, but some kind of GOOD trade deal with China is now pretty much mandatory for that to happen. The Courts are the Courts. They'll probably be able to gather enough Lego™ blocks to build enough of a wall somewhere to keep talk radio and the base happy. International Relations? Race Relations? Pffffft. Who cares. Fake news.
.

Perhaps your glass is half empty, Dotard, I see it as half full and getting fuller every day. Just as with the stock market, you have your ups and your downs. You just have to take the good with the bad and be patient. Gee, if you think things are bad now, you must have been ripping your hair out 8 years ago under Obumma.

Another one who can't address my clear and specific posts with clear and specific responses.

Platitudes, insults and Obama. Par for the course.

Holy crap, that must be 25 of you by now.
.

I DID, Moron. Can't help you're an idiot. Need it SPELLED OUT FOR YOU?

THE ECONOMY: It goes up and down.
TRADE WITH CHINA: Fuck China. The Tariffs are hitting them at least 4X harder than us, and sooner or later they are going to crack, give in, concede, or be badly damaged as we restructure or trade elsewhere. This is a huge fundamental shift in the planet and will take time.
INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS: We are finding out a lot of our "friends" were only fair weather friends. Now that the USA is asking them to put up their fair share, we are finding out many aren't really our friends. We'll get by. Make new friends. Don't see too many of them worrying about losing OUR friendship!
THE WALL: Slowly getting built piece by piece despite everything the Dems can do to block it.
RACE: Only an issue where the race-baiters want to make it an issue. If you have the moxy, the opportunities are there for you.

China's economy has been built and the companies using their cheap labor have been thieves and robber barons leaving the working class in the streets; plus we have had leaders using the bully pulpit on how we shouldn't piss China off because of the debt, etc.... I have never understood what makes people think they should go along with a thief and/or a bully. When they do that they are just subjecting everyone and themselves to a bully/thug that will gain more power over them. It is like allowing a bully at school to take your lunch money every day until one day you realize you are starving and you decide you are not going to take it any more.

If I were president Trump I would let them howl like banshees if that is want they want to do and I would not give into thugs and thieves. If the fund managers pushing the likes of Clinton's and Obama and all their crap onto the American public screw them. Let them go broke and whoever invested with them as well.

Cause it’s cheap products in Kmart

 

[jc456]

Yes I am right. For example, the Stock Market fluctuates all the time. That being said, over time, the U.S. stock market gives a positive return. If it did not, there would be no such thing as a 401K. Picking on a short time frame in the stock market in order to blame someone or something on a 'bad' economy is nothing but propaganda. Smart investors know that the best way to invest is 'dollar cost averaging' which has been a tried and true strategy for investing for probably multiple decades going back a long way.

Yes, that is very brilliant stuff there. I'll be sure to pass it on to my CFP/Financial Advisor peers.

Now, my post was clearly and specifically about where we are right now.

Maybe you could have somebody read it to you.
.

I answered every point in your post yet, you pivot, spin, obfuscate and avoid directly addressing my posts. Perhaps you should ask your Mom or your junior high teacher or something to help you.

Okay, thanks. I'm sure that dollar cost averaging is a key component of our current situation.

Holy crap.
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It was an example wherein I proved that your economic treatise is entirely false. If you are old enough to be working and have some kind of investment portfolio like a 401K for example, that is part of what the people who you entrust your 'nest egg' with do. Are you THAT ignorant?

I do enjoy it when you guys try to change the subject and put me on the defensive, but it just doesn't work with me.

It's flattering, though, I must say.

I made specific points about the economy, that were correct. That's where we are, right now, today. Maybe things will improve. Here's hoping.
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No, you didn’t make specific points you listed talking points nonsense as I’ve explained now for the third time

 

[jc456]

Perhaps your glass is half empty, Dotard, I see it as half full and getting fuller every day. Just as with the stock market, you have your ups and your downs. You just have to take the good with the bad and be patient. Gee, if you think things are bad now, you must have been ripping your hair out 8 years ago under Obumma.

Another one who can't address my clear and specific posts with clear and specific responses.

Platitudes, insults and Obama. Par for the course.

Holy crap, that must be 25 of you by now.
.

I DID, Moron. Can't help you're an idiot. Need it SPELLED OUT FOR YOU?

THE ECONOMY: It goes up and down.
TRADE WITH CHINA: Fuck China. The Tariffs are hitting them at least 4X harder than us, and sooner or later they are going to crack, give in, concede, or be badly damaged as we restructure or trade elsewhere. This is a huge fundamental shift in the planet and will take time.
INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS: We are finding out a lot of our "friends" were only fair weather friends. Now that the USA is asking them to put up their fair share, we are finding out many aren't really our friends. We'll get by. Make new friends. Don't see too many of them worrying about losing OUR friendship!
THE WALL: Slowly getting built piece by piece despite everything the Dems can do to block it.
RACE: Only an issue where the race-baiters want to make it an issue. If you have the moxy, the opportunities are there for you.

Perfect, thanks.

Trumpworld, on full display, right there.
.

Whatever, butthead. The economy doesn't go up and down? We're NOT going to beat China at trade? Some of our allies AREN'T fair weather friends? The wall ISN'T slowly getting built? Racial justice ISN'T out there for those who want it being made a political ploy by the Left?

Thanks for your opinion, FWIW, as to TRumpWorld, Learn it, Live, It Love it, because like it or not (and no one gives a shit if you don't), it is the new norm in America and for a long time to come.

No. We’re not going to beat China on trade and the wall will not be built.

The reason discount stores are thriving isn’t because of choice...it’s all most can afford. As prices rise, disposable income which is already small shrinks further.

Hahaha hahaha

 

[Leo123]

What destruction did President Obama perpetrate? What is it you think Clinton would have done? Can you point to specifics or are you just spouting crap you've been told to repeat?

There are no specifics in the OP, only opinions. What did you expect?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Not that it really matters to some, but we're not really in a good place at the moment. Things could turn, and most of us continue to hope for the best.
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All you're going to get from the Trump Tards is deny, deny, deny.

 

[jc456]

Not that it really matters to some, but we're not really in a good place at the moment. Things could turn, and most of us continue to hope for the best.
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All you're going to get from the Trump Tards is deny, deny, deny.

Deny what? Name something

 

[Leo123]

All you're going to get from the Trump Tards is deny, deny, deny.

Denying lies is a good thing. That's all the TDSers really have are lies. The sad part is that a lot of these dunderheads are now actually believing their own lies. This is the leftist, Neo-Marxist way, tell a lie often enough until it becomes the 'truth.'

 

[Crepitus]

What destruction did President Obama perpetrate? What is it you think Clinton would have done? Can you point to specifics or are you just spouting crap you've been told to repeat?

There are no specifics in the OP, only opinions. What did you expect?

The OP raises a number of specific points.

Do i take this to mean you cannot thing of any answer to my question?

 

[Correll]

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Race
Well, examining this topic is most likely a waste of time here, since there are many on this board who are telling us that racism no longer exists, or it's fake news, or that if you don't show up to work wearing a white hood you can't be a racist. What a disaster. And minorities are supposed to ignore all of it, because the unemployment rate is down at the moment. While the sycophants continue to run interference for the President Who Doesn't Know Who David Duke is, the rest of the country and the rest of the world are simply not buying the bullshit. But it sure sounds good on talk radio....
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When you act like David Duke and the President of the United States should be mentioned in the same sentence,


you are being the problem.

 

[jc456]

What destruction did President Obama perpetrate? What is it you think Clinton would have done? Can you point to specifics or are you just spouting crap you've been told to repeat?

There are no specifics in the OP, only opinions. What did you expect?

The OP raises a number of specific points.

Do i take this to mean you cannot thing of any answer to my question?

With talking points of the leftists. I piss on those

 

[Crepitus]

What destruction did President Obama perpetrate? What is it you think Clinton would have done? Can you point to specifics or are you just spouting crap you've been told to repeat?

There are no specifics in the OP, only opinions. What did you expect?

The OP raises a number of specific points.

Do i take this to mean you cannot thing of any answer to my question?

With talking points of the leftists. I piss on those

I think Google translate let you down on that one comrade. The syntax is a mess.

 

[jc456]

What destruction did President Obama perpetrate? What is it you think Clinton would have done? Can you point to specifics or are you just spouting crap you've been told to repeat?

There are no specifics in the OP, only opinions. What did you expect?

The OP raises a number of specific points.

Do i take this to mean you cannot thing of any answer to my question?

With talking points of the leftists. I piss on those

I think Google translate let you down on that one comrade. The syntax is a mess.

I love it when all you got is grammar. Anytime fk. Any time!

 

[jc456]

All you're going to get from the Trump Tards is deny, deny, deny.

Denying lies is a good thing. That's all the TDSers really have are lies. The sad part is that a lot of these dunderheads are now actually believing their own lies. This is the leftist, Neo-Marxist way, tell a lie often enough until it becomes the 'truth.'

Pointing out nonsense isn’t denying, it’s bringing attention to stupid.
I do enjoy the leftists shame game

 

[Correll]

What destruction did President Obama perpetrate? What is it you think Clinton would have done? Can you point to specifics or are you just spouting crap you've been told to repeat?

There are no specifics in the OP, only opinions. What did you expect?

The OP raises a number of specific points.

Do i take this to mean you cannot thing of any answer to my question?

With talking points of the leftists. I piss on those

I think Google translate let you down on that one comrade. The syntax is a mess.

I love it when all you got is grammar. Anytime fk. Any time!

When lefties whine about grammar or semantics, you know you have kicked their ass, and they know it too.

 

[Leo123]

The OP raises a number of specific points.

Do i take this to mean you cannot thing of any answer to my question?

I answered every 'point' very early in this thread. Most are lies anyway.