Baker Who Won’t Make Cakes for Same-Sex Weddings Appeals Mandatory Re-Education Order

[WorldWatcher]

Actually, the proper term is "heterosexual", but that's a bit clumsy to say, so straight works better.

It isn't an issue of "moral". I've know a gay couple who've been in a committed relationship for decades, I've known straight couples who cheat, abandon their kids, and so on.

If Britany Spears' drive through Vegas wedding is deserving of legal recognition, so it the relationship of a gay couple who've been together for years. And neither one should be hassled about buying a fucking cake.

Except for Windsor 2013's "states' choice" Constitutional Finding on gay marriage. Oh, and Hobby Lobby's Finding on "business' choice" more recently...

Just those two little snags.

Nether are snags at all.

1. Windsor was a federal recognition question, it did not extend to the states. What should have you very worried - and maybe behind the scenes you are, hence you denial - that the language that describes the act of discrimination without a compelling government interest (which Windsor does do) is unconstitutional. That that logic means that State bans are not going to standup to SCOTUS review.

2. Secondly, Hobby Lobby was about Federal law - again, not State law. The bakers in Colorado and Oregon and the Photographer in New Mexico were found in violation of State Public Accommodation laws. The Elane Photography case went through the New Mexico Supreme Court (which upheld the violation) and the SCOTUS rejected the appeal allowing the law to remain valid.​

The Hobby Lobby decision (Federal) and the Elane Photography (State) rejection, clearly indicates that there States can regulate commerce within the State.


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[Rozman]

It's not going to be enough to accept gays and work towards equal treatment.
If heterosexuals aren't over the top supportive and promoting a gay lifestyle for all...

Well then off to a government provided paid for by employers to a mandatory gay re education
camp or forfeit employment....

This is probably 10 years away.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

It's not going to be enough to accept gays and work towards equal treatment.
If heterosexuals aren't over the top supportive and promoting a gay lifestyle for all...

Well then off to a government provided paid for by employers to a mandatory gay re education
camp or forfeit employment....

This is probably 10 years away.

Nonsense, but thanks. The law is just playing catchup to where the rational decent people already are.

 

[JFK_USA]

I believe he has a strong chance of getting that order overturned. No one should be forced to choose between his faith and his livelihood. Had he known that he would be forced to choose between the two, he would not have opened up the shop in 1993. It's not fair after 20 years in business to ask him now to renounce his faith.

It's not fair to have gay people being denied a service open to everyone else just because they are gay. That's a greater travesty.

Btw, Southerners believed 50 years ago that it was against their religion to desegregate. So this religion excuse is nonsense. If he serves the general public, he must serve every group in the public.

There is no reference to racism being good in the bible. there are plenty of references to homosexuality being bad.

Doesn't matter. Discrimination is against the law. The bible makes many references to slavery. Should we bring back slavery? Just because a book says something doesn't mean you can deny a group of people equal treatment under the law in a secular society

 

[kaz]

It's not going to be enough to accept gays and work towards equal treatment.
If heterosexuals aren't over the top supportive and promoting a gay lifestyle for all...

Well then off to a government provided paid for by employers to a mandatory gay re education
camp or forfeit employment....

This is probably 10 years away.

Nonsense, but thanks. The law is just playing catchup to where the rational decent people already are.

LOL, what would you know about rational decent people?

You don't understand government, nothing they do is to help people, it's about control. Any law like this comes with a far higher cost than benefit.

 

[Wake]

So now he's being forced to be "re-educated"?

That is fascism. He shouldn't be forced to bend to certain viewpoints.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

So now he's being forced to be "re-educated"?

That is fascism. He shouldn't be forced to bend to certain viewpoints.

Following the laws when you own a business isn't bending, it's business. He's trying to bend the rules, and shouldn't be.

 

[Silhouette]

It's not going to be enough to accept gays and work towards equal treatment.
If heterosexuals aren't over the top supportive and promoting a gay lifestyle for all...

Well then off to a government provided paid for by employers to a mandatory gay re education
camp or forfeit employment....

This is probably 10 years away.

Depends on who the next administration is. It could be as soon as five years away.

And I think this might be part of the GOP election strategy. Along with all these judicial fiats attempting to defy Windsor 2013's "states' choice" Upholding. I think it's a vote harvest. And it's going to work. The beauty is in its simplicity: rattle people at their core that gay=fascism. And since gay really does = fascism as we've all seen....piece of cake.

Gotta hand it to those republicans. They know strategy and the true minds of people like the back of their hands. When you become PC-blind, you lose touch with the millions in the middle.

 

[Wake]

This is just really creepy, and scary. It seems to me like thought-police tactics. What's the next fascist step here?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

It's not going to be enough to accept gays and work towards equal treatment.
If heterosexuals aren't over the top supportive and promoting a gay lifestyle for all...

Well then off to a government provided paid for by employers to a mandatory gay re education
camp or forfeit employment....

This is probably 10 years away.

Nonsense, but thanks. The law is just playing catchup to where the rational decent people already are.

LOL, what would you know about rational decent people?

You don't understand government, nothing they do is to help people, it's about control. Any law like this comes with a far higher cost than benefit.

That's also nonsense, these laws have been on the books for decades, and they work very well, allowing everyone to get on with their lives without having to worry about whether a business serves "their kind". Need gas? Pull in, gas up, and off you go. That is what works for the US.

 

[Wake]

So now he's being forced to be "re-educated"?

That is fascism. He shouldn't be forced to bend to certain viewpoints.

Following the laws when you own a business isn't bending, it's business. He's trying to bend the rules, and shouldn't be.

With all due respect, I understand that your viewpoint is quite biased, judging by your post history. Please forgive me for taking your comments here with a little bit of salt.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

This is just really creepy, and scary. It seems to me like thought-police tactics. What's the next fascist step here?

He can think whatever he damn well pleases, he just has to serve the public and remind his employees what the law says, and to always follow it.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

So now he's being forced to be "re-educated"?

That is fascism. He shouldn't be forced to bend to certain viewpoints.

Following the laws when you own a business isn't bending, it's business. He's trying to bend the rules, and shouldn't be.

With all due respect, I understand that your viewpoint is quite biased, judging by your post history. Please forgive me for taking your comments here with a little bit of salt.

My viewpoint has absolutely no bias in it, unless you call requiring people to follow the law a bias, which I don't.

If you wish to say the law is wrong, by all means, but you can't be the law or order party if you won't follow the law or defend those who do the same.

 

[kaz]

Nonsense, but thanks. The law is just playing catchup to where the rational decent people already are.

LOL, what would you know about rational decent people?

You don't understand government, nothing they do is to help people, it's about control. Any law like this comes with a far higher cost than benefit.

That's also nonsense, these laws have been on the books for decades, and they work very well, allowing everyone to get on with their lives without having to worry about whether a business serves "their kind". Need gas? Pull in, gas up, and off you go. That is what works for the US.

You know what works better than running to government to use force to make someone bake you a cake? Going down the street to their competitor who doesn't give a rat's ass who you sleep with. Most bakers don't. Most business people are working hard to get customers and aren't going to let anyone go away no matter how they personally feel about them. And it's stupid to want to give money to a homophobe when he tells you what he is and you could have given money to someone who isn't.

These laws are completely unnecessary. And unnecessary laws are dangerous because they give government more power for no benefit. But that's your goal. Government power. It has nothing to do with gays. You are an authoritarian leftist. Just be honest that government power and control is in fact your goal.

 

[Mac1958]

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The gay couple could have just flipped the guy off and gone somewhere else. But no, they chose to make an example out of the guy, they chose to issue "consequences". Because that's what the PC Police does -- punish, intimidate, subjugate.

Sure is interesting, though, to see the Left's passionate and dogged defense of and adherence to "the law". I assume they extend this commitment to opposing people who are in America illegally.

Right?

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[PaintMyHouse]

LOL, what would you know about rational decent people?

You don't understand government, nothing they do is to help people, it's about control. Any law like this comes with a far higher cost than benefit.

That's also nonsense, these laws have been on the books for decades, and they work very well, allowing everyone to get on with their lives without having to worry about whether a business serves "their kind". Need gas? Pull in, gas up, and off you go. That is what works for the US.

You know what works better than running to government to use force to make someone bake you a cake? Going down the street to their competitor who doesn't give a rat's ass who you sleep with. Most bakers don't. Most business people are working hard to get customers and aren't going to let anyone go away no matter how they personally feel about them. And it's stupid to want to give money to a homophobe when he tells you what he is and you could have given money to someone who isn't.

These laws are completely unnecessary. And unnecessary laws are dangerous because they give government more power for no benefit. But that's your goal. Government power. It has nothing to do with gays. You are an authoritarian leftist. Just be honest that government power and control is in fact your goal.

These laws are decades old, and were very necessary at the time, and still are it seems, as long as society refuses to grow up and deal with people equally.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

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The gay couple could have just flipped the guy off and gone somewhere else. But no, they chose to make an example out of the guy, they chose to issue "consequences". Because that's what the PC Police does -- punish, intimidate, subjugate.

Sure is interesting, though, to see the Left's passionate and dogged defense of and adherence to "the law". I assume they extend this commitment to opposing people who are in America illegally.

Right?

They did go somewhere else, and then the state went after the baker for breaking the law. You do want the state to enforce the laws correct??

 

[Mac1958]

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The gay couple could have just flipped the guy off and gone somewhere else. But no, they chose to make an example out of the guy, they chose to issue "consequences". Because that's what the PC Police does -- punish, intimidate, subjugate.

Sure is interesting, though, to see the Left's passionate and dogged defense of and adherence to "the law". I assume they extend this commitment to opposing people who are in America illegally.

Right?

They did go somewhere else, and then the state went after the baker for breaking the law. You do want the state to enforce the laws correct??

How did the state know to go after this guy?

Telepathy? Quija board?

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[PaintMyHouse]

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The gay couple could have just flipped the guy off and gone somewhere else. But no, they chose to make an example out of the guy, they chose to issue "consequences". Because that's what the PC Police does -- punish, intimidate, subjugate.

Sure is interesting, though, to see the Left's passionate and dogged defense of and adherence to "the law". I assume they extend this commitment to opposing people who are in America illegally.

Right?

They did go somewhere else, and then the state went after the baker for breaking the law. You do want the state to enforce the laws correct??

How did the state know to go after this guy?

Telepathy? Quija board?

A complaint was filed, as it should have been. And the state acted, as it is supposed to...

 

[kaz]

That's also nonsense, these laws have been on the books for decades, and they work very well, allowing everyone to get on with their lives without having to worry about whether a business serves "their kind". Need gas? Pull in, gas up, and off you go. That is what works for the US.

You know what works better than running to government to use force to make someone bake you a cake? Going down the street to their competitor who doesn't give a rat's ass who you sleep with. Most bakers don't. Most business people are working hard to get customers and aren't going to let anyone go away no matter how they personally feel about them. And it's stupid to want to give money to a homophobe when he tells you what he is and you could have given money to someone who isn't.

These laws are completely unnecessary. And unnecessary laws are dangerous because they give government more power for no benefit. But that's your goal. Government power. It has nothing to do with gays. You are an authoritarian leftist. Just be honest that government power and control is in fact your goal.

These laws are decades old, and were very necessary at the time, and still are it seems, as long as society refuses to grow up and deal with people equally.

Government has been the discriminator. In fact laws like Jim Crow were passed because the bigots couldn't get businesses to stop dealing with blacks. Free markets are the true protection. Businesses want customers, we don't want to implement government social policy.

If you were a business owner or had any experience in business, you would realize that government is in fact the threat and not the solution. I do believe you realize that. There is no reason to pass a law for the three bakers who discriminate and give government the power to harass the thousands that don't. There is no reason that a business that self identifies as bigoted should be forced to serve anyone and no reason a customer would want to give them their money when they have so many choices.

It just bugs you that anyone would make a different choice than you, which is why you want government to use force to make them, which is what makes you and authoritarian leftists.

In life, shit happens. Government changes that by making more shit happen, not less.