BARR told Trump to his face, "you're going to lose, you're humiliating yourself: pettiness, acrimony, punching down, chaos--we're tired of this shit"

[Faun]

How does that alter the fact that the plea bargain is not voluntary? So you commit a crime by pleading guilty with a gun pointed at your head? You go to jail for pleading guilty and you go to jail for not pleading guilty.
and that's your conception of "voluntary?"

You are fucking brain damaged.

You don't go to jail when you plead not guilty and the state fails to prove your guilt.

 

[bripat9643]

Of course he broke the law. He told the FBI he did not discuss the sanctions with Kislyak. That was a lie since he did discuss the sanctions with Kislyak.

Are you saying the Mike Pence lied or that Flynn lied? One of your cronies in here said that Flynn lied to Pence, which isn't what he was charged with because lying to Pence isn't a crime. That's what we're discussing.

Do you have that straight now, dumbass?

 

[bripat9643]

Dammit, my mistake, I meant Mike Flynn admitted he lied to the FBI.

That's what his plea bargain said he had to say, which isn't worth a hill of beans because he accepted the plea bargain with a gun pointed at his head. It wasn't voluntary.

 

[Faun]

Having to defend yourself is a bigger penalty than being convicted, you dumbfuck. Defending yourself costs millions of dollars. It's all just part of the DOJ scam.

Pleading guilty sends you to prison. Fighting in court only sends you to prison when the state proves you're guilty.

And as YOU already said -- he had a choice between going to prison or going broke. He chose prison because he knew the state could prove he was guilty had he pleaded not guilty.

 

[bripat9643]

You don't go to jail when you plead not guilty and the state fails to prove your guilt.

You still have to pay lawyers millions of dollars, and Mueller was threatening to go after Flynn's son, so the claim that it's voluntary is horseshit.

 

[Faun]

If I said "give me all your money or I'll blow your brains out," would you consider the choice you make "voluntary?"

Fucking moron, no one threatened to blow his brains out.

Thanks for revealing how desperate you are.

 

[para bellum]

You have it completely backwards. The longer Flynn delays sentencing, the longer he stays out of jail (number one). And the longer he cooperates, the more reason the DOJ has to prove the defendant deserves a lenient sentence.

Think of it like tipping your waiter, either at the beginning, or at the end.

When at the point where all he did was serve an appetizer, your tip won't be very big, since you have no idea how good the service will be throughout dinner.
But if you wait until the end, and you got great service, the tip would be much bigger, than if judged after just the first course.

Well this is all meaningless because it's not what happened. Flynn was prepared to be sentenced when he made the plea agreement. The guidelines were $500-$9500 fine and 0-6 months in jail. The DOJ is not required to "prove" he deserves leniency anyway, the plea agreement sets out the sentencing range.

The prosecution and Mueller were the ones that delayed the sentencing, which is not unusual in cases where the defendant is cooperating with an ongoing investigation. They do that to insure the cooperation continues.

As long as the Mueller investigation was open, Mueller continued to ask the court to delay the sentencing.

First in February 2018

Mueller team seeks delay in Flynn sentencing

Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team has postponed the sentencing of former national security adviser Michael Flynn due to the “status” of the investigation, raising questions as to what the development means for the direction of the Russia probe.

www.foxnews.com

Then again in May

Mueller team asks for second delay in Michael Flynn sentencing hearing

Special Counsel Robert Mueller on Tuesday delayed the sentencing of former national security adviser Michael Flynn for a second time “due to the status” of the investigation, raising questions as to what the development means for the direction of the Russian election-meddling probe.

www.foxnews.com

And again in December

Michael Flynn's sentencing delayed by Mueller team for third time

Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team has once again delayed sentencing for former Trump official Michael Flynn, according to court documents released Friday.

www.foxnews.com

After the Mueller probe finally ended, and documents started coming out from people like Judicial Watch did Flynn change his position. He switched attorneys and they started fighting back in mid-2019 based on the newly released documents. Then in 2020 the DOJ finally dismissed the charges.

 

[bripat9643]

Pleading guilty sends you to prison. Fighting in court only sends you to prison when the state proves you're guilty.

Does the court pay all your legal fees? Nope. That means it's not voluntary. The penalty is millions of dollars in legal fees even if you are declared innocent.

And as YOU already said -- he had a choice between going to prison or going broke. He chose prison because he knew the state could prove he was guilty had he pleaded not guilty.

So? How does that prove a plea bargain is voluntary?

 

[bripat9643]

Fucking moron, no one threatened to blow his brains out.

Thanks for revealing how desperate you are.

All laws are enforced with guns.

How fucking stupid are you?

 

[Faun]

That's what his plea bargain said he had to say, which isn't worth a hill of beans because he accepted the plea bargain with a gun pointed at his head. It wasn't voluntary.

You're beyond demented, fucking moron. There was no gun pointed at his head. He pleaded guilty because he was guilty.

 

[Faun]

Does the court pay all your legal fees? Nope. That means it's not voluntary. The penalty is millions of dollars in legal fees even if you are declared innocent.



So? How does that prove a plea bargain is voluntary?

You showed he had the choice to go to prison or go broke. You're nuts to think he believed he was innocent but chose prison over going broke.

 

[Faun]

All laws are enforced with guns.

How fucking stupid are you?

LOL

You're such a fucking moron. Having a gun pointed at his head is a figure of speech. He did not have a gun pointed at his head. According to you, EVERY person charged with a crime would plead guilty because they have a gun pointed at their head.

 

[para bellum]

LOL

And then they forced him to plead guilty.

TWICE!

No, he pleaded guilty once, to one count of violating 18 USC 1001, making a false statement.

Michael Flynn Plea Agreement Documents

www.lawfareblog.com

It was a malicious prosecution, it was entrapment, and the DOJ withheld Brady evidence. Their ultimate dismissal of the charge is their acknowledgement of that.

 

[bripat9643]

You're beyond demented, fucking moron. There was no gun pointed at his head. He pleaded guilty because he was guilty.

Of course there was a gun pointed at his head. All laws are ultimately enforced with guns. If you don't obey the law, then eventually men with guns will come and shoot you.

 

[bripat9643]

You showed he had the choice to go to prison or go broke. You're nuts to think he believed he was innocent but chose prison over going broke.

You don't have the choice of walking away without any kind of penalty. That's what the word "voluntary" means. "Hand over your money or I'll shoot you" is not voluntary

 

[bripat9643]

LOL

You're such a fucking moron. Having a gun pointed at his head is a figure of speech. He did not have a gun pointed at his head. According to you, EVERY person charged with a crime would plead guilty because they have a gun pointed at their head.

Right, so if they have the gun in their pocket, that means it's voluntary.


Why do all prog NAZIs believe following laws is voluntary? You don't know the meaning of the word.

 

[Faun]

No, he pleaded guilty once, to one count of violating 18 USC 1001, making a false statement.

Michael Flynn Plea Agreement Documents

www.lawfareblog.com

It was a malicious prosecution, it was entrapment, and the DOJ withheld Brady evidence. Their ultimate dismissal of the charge is their acknowledgement of that.

He pleaded guilty in two separate courts when his case was handed to a second judge and that second judge offered him the opportunity to submit a plea to his court.

 

[Faun]

Of course there was a gun pointed at his head. All laws are ultimately enforced with guns. If you don't obey the law, then eventually men with guns will come and shoot you.

You're deranged, fucking moron. The vast majority of lawbreakers are never shot.

There is something severely wrong with your malfunctioning brain.

 

[Faun]

You don't have the choice of walking away without any kind of penalty. That's what the word "voluntary" means. "Hand over your money or I'll shoot you" is not voluntary

You're still deranged to think people choose to go to prison even when they know they are innocent.

 

[Faun]

Right, so if they have the gun in their pocket, that means it's voluntary.


Why do all prog NAZIs believe following laws is voluntary? You don't know the meaning of the word.

You're a raving lunatic to think following the law is not voluntary.