Bearing False Witness

[irosie91]

Spanish Inquisition wasn't that bad if you had calluses on your feet, no gnads, elastic skin, and high pain tolerances. Right?

For Heretics to go through readmisson into the Catholic church Raymond VII of Toulouse's and others were forced bare footed, a nose tied around the neck, and shirtless. (I am told this was how heretics were dressed before burnings).
They were paraded around the church a certain number of times and scourged by a church official.
Pope Innocent III 1161-1216 "Use against heretics the spiritual sword of excommunication, and if this does not prove effective, use the material sword."
The Art of Medieval Torture (this material sword) Torture was enthusiastically applied by early Church officials and noblemen in their employ for four reasons:
To force confessions or secret information from those accused of heresy or witchcraft, whether guilty or innocent; To punish or discourage dissent and intellectual freedom; To persuade Jews(who by the way they claim follow the same God), Muslims, and other non-believers to accept Christianity; and To enjoy the sadistic pleasure of inflicting agony, including experimenting with newly devised or perfected techniques of torture. Devices used by the Church: the foot was fitted into an oversized COPPER BOOT, boiling oil was slowly poured into the boot to strip the flesh from the bones.

Another device of the Church: was the infamous viselike FOOT PRESS which was slowly tightened by the crank to crush feet between its solid iron plates, which were lined with hundreds of razor-sharp spikes to make the torture even more intense. More sadistic torture could be found in the way they would devise FOOT ROASTING, which was the favorite torture of the Spanish Inquisition. Immobilized in the stocks, the soles of the victim's bare feet were thickly basted with lard and slowly broiled over red-hot coals.

Everyone has seen "the RACK" in movies: The rollers of this RACK pulled the victim's wrists and ankles in opposite directions to tear his body apart. A spiked drum might be installed to disembowel the face-downward victim. There was also a bench held which victim immobile while he was slowly SKINNED ALIVE with a scalpel-like instrument. Salt was rubbed into the raw flesh to make for a more horrifying experience.
They also had these toothed iron TESTICLE CRUSHERS slowly squeezed the victim's testicles until they were destroyed. *(note- today singers use these to hit their high notes)*

Surely we see there is a pattern here,
if it walks like satan, talks like satan, acts like satan & admits it is satan, off shoot sects admit the founders were satanist, then it is Satanic.

yes---but it was fair and moderate

 

[irosie91]

Spanish Inquisition wasn't that bad if you had calluses on your feet, no gnads, elastic skin, and high pain tolerances. Right?

For Heretics to go through readmisson into the Catholic church Raymond VII of Toulouse's and others were forced bare footed, a nose tied around the neck, and shirtless. (I am told this was how heretics were dressed before burnings).
They were paraded around the church a certain number of times and scourged by a church official.
Pope Innocent III 1161-1216 "Use against heretics the spiritual sword of excommunication, and if this does not prove effective, use the material sword."
The Art of Medieval Torture (this material sword) Torture was enthusiastically applied by early Church officials and noblemen in their employ for four reasons:
To force confessions or secret information from those accused of heresy or witchcraft, whether guilty or innocent; To punish or discourage dissent and intellectual freedom; To persuade Jews(who by the way they claim follow the same God), Muslims, and other non-believers to accept Christianity; and To enjoy the sadistic pleasure of inflicting agony, including experimenting with newly devised or perfected techniques of torture. Devices used by the Church: the foot was fitted into an oversized COPPER BOOT, boiling oil was slowly poured into the boot to strip the flesh from the bones.

Another device of the Church: was the infamous viselike FOOT PRESS which was slowly tightened by the crank to crush feet between its solid iron plates, which were lined with hundreds of razor-sharp spikes to make the torture even more intense. More sadistic torture could be found in the way they would devise FOOT ROASTING, which was the favorite torture of the Spanish Inquisition. Immobilized in the stocks, the soles of the victim's bare feet were thickly basted with lard and slowly broiled over red-hot coals.

Everyone has seen "the RACK" in movies: The rollers of this RACK pulled the victim's wrists and ankles in opposite directions to tear his body apart. A spiked drum might be installed to disembowel the face-downward victim. There was also a bench held which victim immobile while he was slowly SKINNED ALIVE with a scalpel-like instrument. Salt was rubbed into the raw flesh to make for a more horrifying experience.
They also had these toothed iron TESTICLE CRUSHERS slowly squeezed the victim's testicles until they were destroyed. *(note- today singers use these to hit their high notes)*

Surely we see there is a pattern here,
if it walks like satan, talks like satan, acts like satan & admits it is satan, off shoot sects admit the founders were satanist, then it is Satanic.

Do you have a source for this other than a movie? I didn't think so.

You are ignoring the history and promoting the propaganda. Proof, please.

c'mon clement-----there were contemporaneous wood cuts detailing the tortures-----what was that all about ARTISTIC LICENSE?

 

[HaShev]

Spanish Inquisition wasn't that bad if you had calluses on your feet, no gnads, elastic skin, and high pain tolerances. Right?

For Heretics to go through readmisson into the Catholic church Raymond VII of Toulouse's and others were forced bare footed, a nose tied around the neck, and shirtless. (I am told this was how heretics were dressed before burnings).
They were paraded around the church a certain number of times and scourged by a church official.
Pope Innocent III 1161-1216 "Use against heretics the spiritual sword of excommunication, and if this does not prove effective, use the material sword."
The Art of Medieval Torture (this material sword) Torture was enthusiastically applied by early Church officials and noblemen in their employ for four reasons:
To force confessions or secret information from those accused of heresy or witchcraft, whether guilty or innocent; To punish or discourage dissent and intellectual freedom; To persuade Jews(who by the way they claim follow the same God), Muslims, and other non-believers to accept Christianity; and To enjoy the sadistic pleasure of inflicting agony, including experimenting with newly devised or perfected techniques of torture. Devices used by the Church: the foot was fitted into an oversized COPPER BOOT, boiling oil was slowly poured into the boot to strip the flesh from the bones.

Another device of the Church: was the infamous viselike FOOT PRESS which was slowly tightened by the crank to crush feet between its solid iron plates, which were lined with hundreds of razor-sharp spikes to make the torture even more intense. More sadistic torture could be found in the way they would devise FOOT ROASTING, which was the favorite torture of the Spanish Inquisition. Immobilized in the stocks, the soles of the victim's bare feet were thickly basted with lard and slowly broiled over red-hot coals.

Everyone has seen "the RACK" in movies: The rollers of this RACK pulled the victim's wrists and ankles in opposite directions to tear his body apart. A spiked drum might be installed to disembowel the face-downward victim. There was also a bench held which victim immobile while he was slowly SKINNED ALIVE with a scalpel-like instrument. Salt was rubbed into the raw flesh to make for a more horrifying experience.
They also had these toothed iron TESTICLE CRUSHERS slowly squeezed the victim's testicles until they were destroyed. *(note- today singers use these to hit their high notes)*

Surely we see there is a pattern here,
if it walks like satan, talks like satan, acts like satan & admits it is satan, off shoot sects admit the founders were satanist, then it is Satanic.

Do you have a source for this other than a movie? I didn't think so.

You are ignoring the history and promoting the propaganda. Proof, please.

OMG the denial is unbelievable, it just makes the newbies look just as sick as the ones who performed these stunts.
Proof is in the devices pictures along side the words but I did not save the pics and I know you want them to revel over, as it probably makes your nipples hard.

 

[Penelope]

Spanish Inquisition wasn't that bad if you had calluses on your feet, no gnads, elastic skin, and high pain tolerances. Right?

For Heretics to go through readmisson into the Catholic church Raymond VII of Toulouse's and others were forced bare footed, a nose tied around the neck, and shirtless. (I am told this was how heretics were dressed before burnings).
They were paraded around the church a certain number of times and scourged by a church official.
Pope Innocent III 1161-1216 "Use against heretics the spiritual sword of excommunication, and if this does not prove effective, use the material sword."
The Art of Medieval Torture (this material sword) Torture was enthusiastically applied by early Church officials and noblemen in their employ for four reasons:
To force confessions or secret information from those accused of heresy or witchcraft, whether guilty or innocent; To punish or discourage dissent and intellectual freedom; To persuade Jews(who by the way they claim follow the same God), Muslims, and other non-believers to accept Christianity; and To enjoy the sadistic pleasure of inflicting agony, including experimenting with newly devised or perfected techniques of torture. Devices used by the Church: the foot was fitted into an oversized COPPER BOOT, boiling oil was slowly poured into the boot to strip the flesh from the bones.

Another device of the Church: was the infamous viselike FOOT PRESS which was slowly tightened by the crank to crush feet between its solid iron plates, which were lined with hundreds of razor-sharp spikes to make the torture even more intense. More sadistic torture could be found in the way they would devise FOOT ROASTING, which was the favorite torture of the Spanish Inquisition. Immobilized in the stocks, the soles of the victim's bare feet were thickly basted with lard and slowly broiled over red-hot coals.

Everyone has seen "the RACK" in movies: The rollers of this RACK pulled the victim's wrists and ankles in opposite directions to tear his body apart. A spiked drum might be installed to disembowel the face-downward victim. There was also a bench held which victim immobile while he was slowly SKINNED ALIVE with a scalpel-like instrument. Salt was rubbed into the raw flesh to make for a more horrifying experience.
They also had these toothed iron TESTICLE CRUSHERS slowly squeezed the victim's testicles until they were destroyed. *(note- today singers use these to hit their high notes)*

Surely we see there is a pattern here,
if it walks like satan, talks like satan, acts like satan & admits it is satan, off shoot sects admit the founders were satanist, then it is Satanic.

Spreading cheap stupid propaganda. None of this stuff is real. Sensationalism is what it is.

 

[Penelope]

Spanish Inquisition wasn't that bad if you had calluses on your feet, no gnads, elastic skin, and high pain tolerances. Right?

For Heretics to go through readmisson into the Catholic church Raymond VII of Toulouse's and others were forced bare footed, a nose tied around the neck, and shirtless. (I am told this was how heretics were dressed before burnings).
They were paraded around the church a certain number of times and scourged by a church official.
Pope Innocent III 1161-1216 "Use against heretics the spiritual sword of excommunication, and if this does not prove effective, use the material sword."
The Art of Medieval Torture (this material sword) Torture was enthusiastically applied by early Church officials and noblemen in their employ for four reasons:
To force confessions or secret information from those accused of heresy or witchcraft, whether guilty or innocent; To punish or discourage dissent and intellectual freedom; To persuade Jews(who by the way they claim follow the same God), Muslims, and other non-believers to accept Christianity; and To enjoy the sadistic pleasure of inflicting agony, including experimenting with newly devised or perfected techniques of torture. Devices used by the Church: the foot was fitted into an oversized COPPER BOOT, boiling oil was slowly poured into the boot to strip the flesh from the bones.

Another device of the Church: was the infamous viselike FOOT PRESS which was slowly tightened by the crank to crush feet between its solid iron plates, which were lined with hundreds of razor-sharp spikes to make the torture even more intense. More sadistic torture could be found in the way they would devise FOOT ROASTING, which was the favorite torture of the Spanish Inquisition. Immobilized in the stocks, the soles of the victim's bare feet were thickly basted with lard and slowly broiled over red-hot coals.

Everyone has seen "the RACK" in movies: The rollers of this RACK pulled the victim's wrists and ankles in opposite directions to tear his body apart. A spiked drum might be installed to disembowel the face-downward victim. There was also a bench held which victim immobile while he was slowly SKINNED ALIVE with a scalpel-like instrument. Salt was rubbed into the raw flesh to make for a more horrifying experience.
They also had these toothed iron TESTICLE CRUSHERS slowly squeezed the victim's testicles until they were destroyed. *(note- today singers use these to hit their high notes)*

Surely we see there is a pattern here,
if it walks like satan, talks like satan, acts like satan & admits it is satan, off shoot sects admit the founders were satanist, then it is Satanic.

Do you have a source for this other than a movie? I didn't think so.

You are ignoring the history and promoting the propaganda. Proof, please.

OMG the denial is unbelievable, it just makes the newbies look just as sick as the ones who performed these stunts.
Proof is in the devices pictures along side the words but I did not save the pics and I know you want them to revel over, as it probably makes your nipples hard.

I find Jews hate the RC and EO but have a love for evangelicals as the evangelicals send them money and believe in the Rapture and feel some sort of obligation to Israel.

 

[irosie91]

Spanish Inquisition wasn't that bad if you had calluses on your feet, no gnads, elastic skin, and high pain tolerances. Right?

For Heretics to go through readmisson into the Catholic church Raymond VII of Toulouse's and others were forced bare footed, a nose tied around the neck, and shirtless. (I am told this was how heretics were dressed before burnings).
They were paraded around the church a certain number of times and scourged by a church official.
Pope Innocent III 1161-1216 "Use against heretics the spiritual sword of excommunication, and if this does not prove effective, use the material sword."
The Art of Medieval Torture (this material sword) Torture was enthusiastically applied by early Church officials and noblemen in their employ for four reasons:
To force confessions or secret information from those accused of heresy or witchcraft, whether guilty or innocent; To punish or discourage dissent and intellectual freedom; To persuade Jews(who by the way they claim follow the same God), Muslims, and other non-believers to accept Christianity; and To enjoy the sadistic pleasure of inflicting agony, including experimenting with newly devised or perfected techniques of torture. Devices used by the Church: the foot was fitted into an oversized COPPER BOOT, boiling oil was slowly poured into the boot to strip the flesh from the bones.

Another device of the Church: was the infamous viselike FOOT PRESS which was slowly tightened by the crank to crush feet between its solid iron plates, which were lined with hundreds of razor-sharp spikes to make the torture even more intense. More sadistic torture could be found in the way they would devise FOOT ROASTING, which was the favorite torture of the Spanish Inquisition. Immobilized in the stocks, the soles of the victim's bare feet were thickly basted with lard and slowly broiled over red-hot coals.

Everyone has seen "the RACK" in movies: The rollers of this RACK pulled the victim's wrists and ankles in opposite directions to tear his body apart. A spiked drum might be installed to disembowel the face-downward victim. There was also a bench held which victim immobile while he was slowly SKINNED ALIVE with a scalpel-like instrument. Salt was rubbed into the raw flesh to make for a more horrifying experience.
They also had these toothed iron TESTICLE CRUSHERS slowly squeezed the victim's testicles until they were destroyed. *(note- today singers use these to hit their high notes)*

Surely we see there is a pattern here,
if it walks like satan, talks like satan, acts like satan & admits it is satan, off shoot sects admit the founders were satanist, then it is Satanic.

Do you have a source for this other than a movie? I didn't think so.

You are ignoring the history and promoting the propaganda. Proof, please.

OMG the denial is unbelievable, it just makes the newbies look just as sick as the ones who performed these stunts.
Proof is in the devices pictures along side the words but I did not save the pics and I know you want them to revel over, as it probably makes your nipples hard.

hashev----clement is reading the redacted records stored in
the Vatican Vault

 

[HaShev]

Spanish Inquisition wasn't that bad if you had calluses on your feet, no gnads, elastic skin, and high pain tolerances. Right?
For Heretics to go through readmisson into the Catholic church Raymond VII of Toulouse's and others were forced bare footed, a nose tied around the neck, and shirtless. (I am told this was how heretics were dressed before burnings).
They were paraded around the church a certain number of times and scourged by a church official.
Pope Innocent III 1161-1216 "Use against heretics the spiritual sword of excommunication, and if this does not prove effective, use the material sword."
The Art of Medieval Torture (this material sword) Torture was enthusiastically applied by early Church officials and noblemen in their employ for four reasons:
To force confessions or secret information from those accused of heresy or witchcraft, whether guilty or innocent; To punish or discourage dissent and intellectual freedom; To persuade Jews(who by the way they claim follow the same God), Muslims, and other non-believers to accept Christianity; and To enjoy the sadistic pleasure of inflicting agony, including experimenting with newly devised or perfected techniques of torture. Devices used by the Church: the foot was fitted into an oversized COPPER BOOT, boiling oil was slowly poured into the boot to strip the flesh from the bones.
Another device of the Church: was the infamous viselike FOOT PRESS which was slowly tightened by the crank to crush feet between its solid iron plates, which were lined with hundreds of razor-sharp spikes to make the torture even more intense. More sadistic torture could be found in the way they would devise FOOT ROASTING, which was the favorite torture of the Spanish Inquisition. Immobilized in the stocks, the soles of the victim's bare feet were thickly basted with lard and slowly broiled over red-hot coals.
Everyone has seen "the RACK" in movies: The rollers of this RACK pulled the victim's wrists and ankles in opposite directions to tear his body apart. A spiked drum might be installed to disembowel the face-downward victim. There was also a bench held which victim immobile while he was slowly SKINNED ALIVE with a scalpel-like instrument. Salt was rubbed into the raw flesh to make for a more horrifying experience.
They also had these toothed iron TESTICLE CRUSHERS slowly squeezed the victim's testicles until they were destroyed. *(note- today singers use these to hit their high notes)*
Surely we see there is a pattern here,
if it walks like satan, talks like satan, acts like satan & admits it is satan, off shoot sects admit the founders were satanist, then it is Satanic.

Do you have a source for this other than a movie? I didn't think so.
You are ignoring the history and promoting the propaganda. Proof, please.

OMG the denial is unbelievable, it just makes the newbies look just as sick as the ones who performed these stunts.
Proof is in the devices pictures along side the words but I did not save the pics and I know you want them to revel over, as it probably makes your nipples hard.

How the Spanish Inquisition Worked

10 Most Cruel Torture Devices of All Time | History Rundown

The Horrors of The Church and its Holy Inquisition

The Inquisition: A Model For Modern Interrogators

 

[Penelope]

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Spanish Inquisition wasn't that bad if you had calluses on your feet, no gnads, elastic skin, and high pain tolerances. Right?
For Heretics to go through readmisson into the Catholic church Raymond VII of Toulouse's and others were forced bare footed, a nose tied around the neck, and shirtless. (I am told this was how heretics were dressed before burnings).
They were paraded around the church a certain number of times and scourged by a church official.
Pope Innocent III 1161-1216 "Use against heretics the spiritual sword of excommunication, and if this does not prove effective, use the material sword."
The Art of Medieval Torture (this material sword) Torture was enthusiastically applied by early Church officials and noblemen in their employ for four reasons:
To force confessions or secret information from those accused of heresy or witchcraft, whether guilty or innocent; To punish or discourage dissent and intellectual freedom; To persuade Jews(who by the way they claim follow the same God), Muslims, and other non-believers to accept Christianity; and To enjoy the sadistic pleasure of inflicting agony, including experimenting with newly devised or perfected techniques of torture. Devices used by the Church: the foot was fitted into an oversized COPPER BOOT, boiling oil was slowly poured into the boot to strip the flesh from the bones.
Another device of the Church: was the infamous viselike FOOT PRESS which was slowly tightened by the crank to crush feet between its solid iron plates, which were lined with hundreds of razor-sharp spikes to make the torture even more intense. More sadistic torture could be found in the way they would devise FOOT ROASTING, which was the favorite torture of the Spanish Inquisition. Immobilized in the stocks, the soles of the victim's bare feet were thickly basted with lard and slowly broiled over red-hot coals.
Everyone has seen "the RACK" in movies: The rollers of this RACK pulled the victim's wrists and ankles in opposite directions to tear his body apart. A spiked drum might be installed to disembowel the face-downward victim. There was also a bench held which victim immobile while he was slowly SKINNED ALIVE with a scalpel-like instrument. Salt was rubbed into the raw flesh to make for a more horrifying experience.
They also had these toothed iron TESTICLE CRUSHERS slowly squeezed the victim's testicles until they were destroyed. *(note- today singers use these to hit their high notes)*
Surely we see there is a pattern here,
if it walks like satan, talks like satan, acts like satan & admits it is satan, off shoot sects admit the founders were satanist, then it is Satanic.

Do you have a source for this other than a movie? I didn't think so.
You are ignoring the history and promoting the propaganda. Proof, please.

OMG the denial is unbelievable, it just makes the newbies look just as sick as the ones who performed these stunts.
Proof is in the devices pictures along side the words but I did not save the pics and I know you want them to revel over, as it probably makes your nipples hard.

How the Spanish Inquisition Worked

10 Most Cruel Torture Devices of All Time | History Rundown

The Horrors of The Church and its Holy Inquisition

The Inquisition: A Model For Modern Interrogators

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You might try reading the book posted in the OP.

 

[HaShev]

You fell into your own trap, by setting the standard of proof there were pictographs from 1500's remember there is no camera back then. Now I'll show actual pics of devices from that era and events.
Remember the topic is about bearing false testimony which the OP and you Penelope did just that, but worse they have NO EVIDENCE OF JESUS EXISTiNG AND THE TALL TALE EVENTS.(USING their own standards and reasoning)=traped by your own move=checkmate.
The difference is, yeah they didn't have cameras, but they never claimed to be gods to produce pictures in any era or time line.
Bazinga!

 

[irosie91]

Spanish Inquisition wasn't that bad if you had calluses on your feet, no gnads, elastic skin, and high pain tolerances. Right?

For Heretics to go through readmisson into the Catholic church Raymond VII of Toulouse's and others were forced bare footed, a nose tied around the neck, and shirtless. (I am told this was how heretics were dressed before burnings).
They were paraded around the church a certain number of times and scourged by a church official.
Pope Innocent III 1161-1216 "Use against heretics the spiritual sword of excommunication, and if this does not prove effective, use the material sword."
The Art of Medieval Torture (this material sword) Torture was enthusiastically applied by early Church officials and noblemen in their employ for four reasons:
To force confessions or secret information from those accused of heresy or witchcraft, whether guilty or innocent; To punish or discourage dissent and intellectual freedom; To persuade Jews(who by the way they claim follow the same God), Muslims, and other non-believers to accept Christianity; and To enjoy the sadistic pleasure of inflicting agony, including experimenting with newly devised or perfected techniques of torture. Devices used by the Church: the foot was fitted into an oversized COPPER BOOT, boiling oil was slowly poured into the boot to strip the flesh from the bones.

Another device of the Church: was the infamous viselike FOOT PRESS which was slowly tightened by the crank to crush feet between its solid iron plates, which were lined with hundreds of razor-sharp spikes to make the torture even more intense. More sadistic torture could be found in the way they would devise FOOT ROASTING, which was the favorite torture of the Spanish Inquisition. Immobilized in the stocks, the soles of the victim's bare feet were thickly basted with lard and slowly broiled over red-hot coals.

Everyone has seen "the RACK" in movies: The rollers of this RACK pulled the victim's wrists and ankles in opposite directions to tear his body apart. A spiked drum might be installed to disembowel the face-downward victim. There was also a bench held which victim immobile while he was slowly SKINNED ALIVE with a scalpel-like instrument. Salt was rubbed into the raw flesh to make for a more horrifying experience.
They also had these toothed iron TESTICLE CRUSHERS slowly squeezed the victim's testicles until they were destroyed. *(note- today singers use these to hit their high notes)*

Surely we see there is a pattern here,
if it walks like satan, talks like satan, acts like satan & admits it is satan, off shoot sects admit the founders were satanist, then it is Satanic.

Do you have a source for this other than a movie? I didn't think so.

You are ignoring the history and promoting the propaganda. Proof, please.

OMG the denial is unbelievable, it just makes the newbies look just as sick as the ones who performed these stunts.
Proof is in the devices pictures along side the words but I did not save the pics and I know you want them to revel over, as it probably makes your nipples hard.

I find Jews hate the RC and EO but have a love for evangelicals as the evangelicals send them money and believe in the Rapture and feel some sort of obligation to Israel.

where did you FIND that?-----in the priest's pants? or the panties of the nun?

 

[jillian]

You may be interested in these other titles:

Four Witnesses

The Apostasy That Wasn't

And I don't agree with you, I am non RC and again, I am more interested in the truth than propaganda. The reality is, every mainstream Christian denomination owes it's existence to the RCC, and I don't mean the non-Christian cults from the 1800's and early 1900's.

what does the fact that the RCC was the first Christian church mean to you? OWES ITS EXISTENCE?------you mean other wise all Baptists would be dead if NOT FOR THE CATHOLIC CHURCH-----they might have been happier as hindus

er.... catholicism existed before other sects of christianity which are "protestant" or "reformation".

that's simple fact. i'm not certain why it seems to be putting you into a tizzy

 

[jillian]

Spanish Inquisition wasn't that bad if you had calluses on your feet, no gnads, elastic skin, and high pain tolerances. Right?

For Heretics to go through readmisson into the Catholic church Raymond VII of Toulouse's and others were forced bare footed, a nose tied around the neck, and shirtless. (I am told this was how heretics were dressed before burnings).
They were paraded around the church a certain number of times and scourged by a church official.
Pope Innocent III 1161-1216 "Use against heretics the spiritual sword of excommunication, and if this does not prove effective, use the material sword."
The Art of Medieval Torture (this material sword) Torture was enthusiastically applied by early Church officials and noblemen in their employ for four reasons:
To force confessions or secret information from those accused of heresy or witchcraft, whether guilty or innocent; To punish or discourage dissent and intellectual freedom; To persuade Jews(who by the way they claim follow the same God), Muslims, and other non-believers to accept Christianity; and To enjoy the sadistic pleasure of inflicting agony, including experimenting with newly devised or perfected techniques of torture. Devices used by the Church: the foot was fitted into an oversized COPPER BOOT, boiling oil was slowly poured into the boot to strip the flesh from the bones.

Another device of the Church: was the infamous viselike FOOT PRESS which was slowly tightened by the crank to crush feet between its solid iron plates, which were lined with hundreds of razor-sharp spikes to make the torture even more intense. More sadistic torture could be found in the way they would devise FOOT ROASTING, which was the favorite torture of the Spanish Inquisition. Immobilized in the stocks, the soles of the victim's bare feet were thickly basted with lard and slowly broiled over red-hot coals.

Everyone has seen "the RACK" in movies: The rollers of this RACK pulled the victim's wrists and ankles in opposite directions to tear his body apart. A spiked drum might be installed to disembowel the face-downward victim. There was also a bench held which victim immobile while he was slowly SKINNED ALIVE with a scalpel-like instrument. Salt was rubbed into the raw flesh to make for a more horrifying experience.
They also had these toothed iron TESTICLE CRUSHERS slowly squeezed the victim's testicles until they were destroyed. *(note- today singers use these to hit their high notes)*

Surely we see there is a pattern here,
if it walks like satan, talks like satan, acts like satan & admits it is satan, off shoot sects admit the founders were satanist, then it is Satanic.

Do you have a source for this other than a movie? I didn't think so.

You are ignoring the history and promoting the propaganda. Proof, please.

OMG the denial is unbelievable, it just makes the newbies look just as sick as the ones who performed these stunts.
Proof is in the devices pictures along side the words but I did not save the pics and I know you want them to revel over, as it probably makes your nipples hard.

I find Jews hate the RC and EO but have a love for evangelicals as the evangelicals send them money and believe in the Rapture and feel some sort of obligation to Israel.

not in any actual reality....

but no surprises

 

[irosie91]

You may be interested in these other titles:

Four Witnesses

The Apostasy That Wasn't

And I don't agree with you, I am non RC and again, I am more interested in the truth than propaganda. The reality is, every mainstream Christian denomination owes it's existence to the RCC, and I don't mean the non-Christian cults from the 1800's and early 1900's.

what does the fact that the RCC was the first Christian church mean to you? OWES ITS EXISTENCE?------you mean other wise all Baptists would be dead if NOT FOR THE CATHOLIC CHURCH-----they might have been happier as hindus

er.... catholicism existed before other sects of christianity which are "protestant" or "reformation".

that's simple fact. i'm not certain why it seems to be putting you into a tizzy

TIZZY? not in a tizzy------"OWES" is a loaded word. "came before" is the simple fact

 

[Penelope]

You fell into your own trap, by setting the standard of proof there were pictographs from 1500's remember there is no camera back then. Now I'll show actual pics of devices from that era and events.
Remember the topic is about bearing false testimony which the OP and you Penelope did just that, but worse they have NO EVIDENCE OF JESUS EXISTiNG AND THE TALL TALE EVENTS.(USING their own standards and reasoning)=traped by your own move=checkmate.
The difference is, yeah they didn't have cameras, but they never claimed to be gods to produce pictures in any era or time line.
Bazinga!
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Those are from someone's twisted imagination.

 

[irosie91]

You fell into your own trap, by setting the standard of proof there were pictographs from 1500's remember there is no camera back then. Now I'll show actual pics of devices from that era and events.
Remember the topic is about bearing false testimony which the OP and you Penelope did just that, but worse they have NO EVIDENCE OF JESUS EXISTiNG AND THE TALL TALE EVENTS.(USING their own standards and reasoning)=traped by your own move=checkmate.
The difference is, yeah they didn't have cameras, but they never claimed to be gods to produce pictures in any era or time line.
Bazinga!
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Those are from someone's twisted imagination.

of course the machines of torture used by the catholic church did arise in the twisted imaginations of priests and nuns----then they were manufactured and then they were used whilst the "virgins" moaned in orgiastic delight

 

[Penelope]

I doubt that, most were made to put in films and movies, in Hollywood. Props

 

[irosie91]

I doubt that, most were made to put in films and movies, in Hollywood. Props

they appear in Medieval Woodcuts. There are many approaches to an understanding of history. Art is a very
significant record of reality. The last place to look for accurate
records is the vault of the Vatican

 

[Meriweather]

they appear in Medieval Woodcuts. There are many approaches to an understanding of history. Art is a very significant record of reality. The last place to look for accurate records is the vault of the Vatican

What is also written in records of the time is that even during the periods of Inquisition, people deliberately blasphemed in secular courts in order to get their cases turned over to a more lenient court. The lenient court they wanted was the Church court.

The point is not to excuse or overlook facts of human existence. People are sinners. Sometimes people in authority use bad judgment, and sometimes otherwise good people, when filled with zeal lose their balance. This is oftentimes followed by people (even historians) with an agenda painting with much too broad a brush.

 

[irosie91]

they appear in Medieval Woodcuts. There are many approaches to an understanding of history. Art is a very significant record of reality. The last place to look for accurate records is the vault of the Vatican

What is also written in records of the time is that even during the periods of Inquisition, people deliberately blasphemed in secular courts in order to get their cases turned over to a more lenient court. The lenient court they wanted was the Church court.

The point is not to excuse or overlook facts of human existence. People are sinners. Sometimes people in authority use bad judgment, and sometimes otherwise good people, when filled with zeal lose their balance. This is oftentimes followed by people (even historians) with an agenda painting with much too broad a brush.

oh----you mean CATHOLICS used the PLOY of blaspheming
in court so they could GET OFF-------because they could PROVE that they were good catholics and willing to do all the
rituals that penitent catholics do------I AM SOOO DAMNED
IMPRESSED. ------ you really do not mean to endorse the
torture and murder of non catholics and homo-sexuals-----you were just monetarily UNBALANCED-----of course you can fix that up with confession. In fact Gallileo "got out of it"----
by the same means. ------too broad a brush? (ps---I already knew that catholics had an "out")

 

[Clement]

Spanish Inquisition wasn't that bad if you had calluses on your feet, no gnads, elastic skin, and high pain tolerances. Right?

For Heretics to go through readmisson into the Catholic church Raymond VII of Toulouse's and others were forced bare footed, a nose tied around the neck, and shirtless. (I am told this was how heretics were dressed before burnings).
They were paraded around the church a certain number of times and scourged by a church official.
Pope Innocent III 1161-1216 "Use against heretics the spiritual sword of excommunication, and if this does not prove effective, use the material sword."
The Art of Medieval Torture (this material sword) Torture was enthusiastically applied by early Church officials and noblemen in their employ for four reasons:
To force confessions or secret information from those accused of heresy or witchcraft, whether guilty or innocent; To punish or discourage dissent and intellectual freedom; To persuade Jews(who by the way they claim follow the same God), Muslims, and other non-believers to accept Christianity; and To enjoy the sadistic pleasure of inflicting agony, including experimenting with newly devised or perfected techniques of torture. Devices used by the Church: the foot was fitted into an oversized COPPER BOOT, boiling oil was slowly poured into the boot to strip the flesh from the bones.

Another device of the Church: was the infamous viselike FOOT PRESS which was slowly tightened by the crank to crush feet between its solid iron plates, which were lined with hundreds of razor-sharp spikes to make the torture even more intense. More sadistic torture could be found in the way they would devise FOOT ROASTING, which was the favorite torture of the Spanish Inquisition. Immobilized in the stocks, the soles of the victim's bare feet were thickly basted with lard and slowly broiled over red-hot coals.

Everyone has seen "the RACK" in movies: The rollers of this RACK pulled the victim's wrists and ankles in opposite directions to tear his body apart. A spiked drum might be installed to disembowel the face-downward victim. There was also a bench held which victim immobile while he was slowly SKINNED ALIVE with a scalpel-like instrument. Salt was rubbed into the raw flesh to make for a more horrifying experience.
They also had these toothed iron TESTICLE CRUSHERS slowly squeezed the victim's testicles until they were destroyed. *(note- today singers use these to hit their high notes)*

Surely we see there is a pattern here,
if it walks like satan, talks like satan, acts like satan & admits it is satan, off shoot sects admit the founders were satanist, then it is Satanic.

Do you have a source for this other than a movie? I didn't think so.

You are ignoring the history and promoting the propaganda. Proof, please.

OMG the denial is unbelievable, it just makes the newbies look just as sick as the ones who performed these stunts.
Proof is in the devices pictures along side the words but I did not save the pics and I know you want them to revel over, as it probably makes your nipples hard.

hashev----clement is reading the redacted records stored in
the Vatican Vault

No, I am reading the work of historians.

I expected that this thread might receive this kind of reception, people do not discard their prejudices easily.