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Well let's hear it from the horse's mouth, by listening to offspring of the IslamoNazi Palestinians animals as to how they enjoyed the killing and theiving.



LOL, this drivel from a well known Hasbara site was posted in 2011 when the woman was 92, that would mean she was 10 years old in 1929; she probably never witnessed anything as young girls would have been kept indoors during a riot, but it's possible she may have heard exaggerated stories in the decades that followed, nevertheless hardly a reliable "witness" or source. FYI, I spoke to a veteran of el-Alemein a few years ago, he was in his nineties too and he was convinced that Germans used 150mm anti tank guns against him; I suggested 50mm (the standard german AT gun at the time), but he said definitely 150mm...memories are unreliable unless corroborated from other sources.








The Germans did use 150mm artillery in the direct fire mode against armor in times of emergency so he could very well be correct. Memory is indeed fallible, however certain things will remain solidly reliable up until the person dies. Traumatic events such as those being discussed are the very type of events that remain crystal clear in the memory banks.


I'm well aware of that, but without straying too far off topic, the chap I was speaking to was a tank gunner in the Sherwood Rangers Regiment, which I was researching at the time. After noting his account, I checked the Regimental diary to put his account in context. The regiment never got as far as the enemy artillery areas so never encountered emergency direct fire from german artillery; it never happened as he described. However the regiment, part of 10th Armoured Division, was attacked on the 24th October while holding Miteiriya Ridge, during which it suffered from an intense artillery barrage, which undoubtedly included 150mm shells alongside the more commonplace 105mm and assorted mortar rounds. After 60-70 years, his memories of the traumatic experience he may have had, closed up in a Crusader turret, may well have been skewed and conflated, with this or subsequent combats. Memories become unreliable the further away from the incident the person is in time, even for eye witnesses.

Returning to the 10 year old girl, who was probably never an eye witness to the events of 1929, nor would she have been traumatised at the time, but subsequent brutality or trauma she may have encountered from subsequent events, like the Zionist terrorism in the1940's or the 1948 Palestinian expulsions could easily create fantasies in her head conflated with stories she may have heard at other times. That's why any such account must be corroborated before it's given undue credence.

It also amuses me that anything filmed by Palestinians that may be detrimental to their image is considered "gospel truth" by the Hasbarists here, yet anything filmed by Palestinians detrimental to the Zionist regime is always glibly dismissed as "Pallywood".







During the battles of Alamein, there were multiple times that British armor made it to German artillery batteries. I don't know which regimental record you are reading but I have the German and British histories for most of the units involved and they ALL describe the chaotic nature of the battle. As regards the ten year old girl, I find your reasoning lacking, the fact is the terrorists like to show their kids what they are doing as it makes the perps feel good, and it serves as a warning to the youngsters to tow the line.

Pallywood productions are just that, productions. You can watch them rehearsing and frequently we get to see the documentary of the production as well! More to the point, when the Israel supporters here make the claim that a video is a pallywood production, they can back it up with photographic proof. Something that your side can't for the most part.


Had you bothered to read my post you would have found the name of the regiment in question and the Division to which it belonged.

Thank you for making my point for me, "they ALL describe the chaotic nature of the battle"; correct.

That's exactly why individual memories are suspect without corroboration from other sources and should never be taken at face value, especially as in this case, a one minute sound bite by a 90 year old during a protest or demonstration.

Same applies to "photographic proof"; video and photographs can be edited and or manipulated to create "Pallywood" and "Hasbara".










Yes, I did, and I own that particular regimental history. And it does describe a assault into a German artillery position. In fact it describes two of them, and the loss of at least one tank to direct fire. There were three tanks lost in total on that particular day, but only one can definitively be attributed to a arty hit. Chaos does not imply inability to remember significant acts. I was friends with Alexander Uhlig and up until the day he died he was able to accurately describe, in great detail, detail that was verifiable from both American and German sources, his Knights Cross action outside of Perrier on D +30.

That's why I have no problem believing the recollections of the woman in the video. As far as the pallywood silliness, I hate to break it to you but when they have multiple angles of them rehearsing, and film the production from "behind the scenes" that is impossible to fake. Inj a court of law there is a very old saying. Once a liar, always a liar. Which basically means if you discover that a person has perjured themselves under oath, they will ALWAYS do so if it benefits them, and even if it doesn't sometimes. Thus, they are no longer called as witnesses for ANYTHING.

The same go's for our pallywood producers. They have been caught lying so many times, that they are simply not to be used. They have zero credibility, and anyone who ignores that, likewise has no credibility. Your judgement is suspect.
 
Yes, I did, and I own that particular regimental history. And it does describe a assault into a German artillery position. In fact it describes two of them, and the loss of at least one tank to direct fire. There were three tanks lost in total on that particular day, but only one can definitively be attributed to a arty hit.

Do tell, what "particular day" as my veteran was wounded on 25th october repelling the German counter attack on Miteiriya Ridge and took no further part in the battle?
 

1941-1945
- Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin al-Husayni Collaborates with the Axis Powers


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Image of Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Hajj Amin al-Husayni.
Source: Library of Congress, "His Eminence the Grand Mufti," loc.gov (accessed Oct. 28, 2015)

"Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin al-Husayni (Arab nationalist and prominent Muslim religious leader)—escaped to Berlin, where they broadcast appeals to their home countries in order to foment unrest, sabotage, and insurrection against the Allies. In exile in Europe from 1941 to 1945, al-Husayni's status was that of a prominent individual anti-Jewish Arab and Muslim leader...

[Haj Amin] al-Husayni sought public recognition from the Axis powers of his status as leader of a proposed Arab nation. He also sought public approval from the Axis powers for an independent Arab state or federation to 'remove' or 'eliminate' the proposed Jewish homeland in Palestine...

When he [Hitler] received al-Husayni on November 28, 1941, a meeting covered in the German press, Hitler was sympathetic, but declined to give al-Husayni the public declaration of support that he sought. Despite Hitler's response, al-Husayni still collaborated with Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy in several ways. He broadcast anti-Allied and anti-Jewish propaganda by radio to the Arab world and to Muslim communities under German control or influence. He sought to inspire and to indoctrinate Muslim men to serve in Axis military and auxiliary units. Even after he realized that the Germans would not give him what he sought and intended to use his Muslim recruits without regard to his advice, al-Husayni continued to work with both Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany until 1945."

US Holocaust Memorial Museum "Hajj Amin al-Husayni: Wartime Propagandist," ushmm.org

...and from 1921 to to 1936 he collaborated with the British, so what? There's an old saying out there, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"

Oh, interestingly there's scant evidence he actually made any broadcasts himself, but that's just one of those facts, Zionists find "inconvenient" when trying to make him out as the "ultimate evil-doer" against their colonial project.
Noooo, he only organized a Muslim Nazi army (called it "the cream of Islam") that went around killing Christians and Jews in Eastern Europe. He also incited the Muslims to commit a second Holocaust on Jews in their own holy land, and failed miserably. What a funny internet jihadi you are.

The Germans created and organised local Muslim units in Yugoslavia to fight Tito's Communist partizans, the Mufti was rolled out from time to time for recruitment propaganda. There is no credible evidence that the Handschar SS Mountain Division participated in the Holocaust, I've debunked this so many times, it's getting boring, nor is there any credible evidence of the Mufti inciting Palestinian muslims to commit genocide in Palestine.
Stop blaberring so much.

-He was a declared Nazi and officially classified as such by the US state dept. Nazis gave him a lavish residence in Germany to coordinate his activities abroad.
-He wrote letters to Black Muslim leaders in the US to terrorize Americans, rise up against Roosevelt, arm themselves, and seceed from US by grabbing a state or territory. He created a Muslim Nazi army that went around killing Jews and Christians.
-He instigated Muslims in Israel to commit genocide against Jews in their own holy land. He successfully influenced other Arab nations to commit genocide and ethnic cleansing on Jews that had been living in the Middle East for centuries.
-He directly caused over 400,000 Jews to be sent to death camps, including the death of thousands of children.
-He inspired and became one of the fathers of the Islamic movement known as "Muslim Brotherhood" which today has become the Harvard for Islamic terrorists and radical Islamic ideology.

It doesn't get any worse that this. He was the embodiment of evil.

This is why the Palestinians are the bastard children of the marriage between Nazism and Arab Islamic nationlism.

Sounds like stuff from one of your wet-dram fantasy sites, care to provide a link or a source for this?
It's indisputable and irrefutable historical fact.
 
Oh I do wish people wouldn't fixate so much on "Administrative geography" as opposed to actual physical geography or tradition. Example, the old "County of Avon" (now called Somerset again) in the UK was called administratively at one point or other "North West Somerset", "Bath and North East Somerset (!?)" and "South Gloucestershire". Ask a native and he/she wil tell you they live in Somerset, or Gloucestershire, the ancient names for these areas, regardless of what the bureaucrats decided to call the place for administrative purposes.
The Turks did not call it Palestine or Falastine for 700 years. Neither did the Arabs. "Palestine" was the name the Europeans gave to the region, which became obsolete after the Arab / Muslim invasions about 1200 years ago. When the British conquered the region after the fall of the Ottoman Empire after WWI in the early 1900's, they renamed it "Palestine mandate", a British territory. There was no such thing as a Palestine before that.

I think the preceeding posting has adequately shown you are talking out of your posterior orifice as usual.
Just because you say so and eat out of there? :rofl:
 
Quit deflecting, the comparison was with the photo of the Israeli school girls writing murderous notes on bombs. The Israelis bomb apartment buildings filled with women and children, killing hundreds at a pop, what's worse, killing hundreds and thousands of children, or suicide bombers killing dozens, if that, of Israelis... I'll wait for your answer.

Tell You honestly, during the 2nd Lebanon war, being a young kid, seeing all the dead children propaganda made me express the same outrage. I thought "how can that girl write a message on a bomb that might kill another girl her age she barely knows??!"

Then we slept a couple of nights in the shelters, alerts, explosions....
And later I've learned these girls were living in a military base with their fathers serving as professional soldiers, seeing military activity all day long...given the situation it's 'natural' . Especially since Israeli kids learn to respect a conventional army - not teenage suicide bombers, or stabbing martyrs.

We don't have "days of rage' either, like the Palestinians had just yesterday.

Oppressed people under occupation rarely have an army, professional or otherwise. I don't think it is natural for children to write death notes on bombs sent to kill children whose only crime is not being Jewish. Desperate acts by desperate people, on the other hand, are somewhat more understandable from a neutral perspective, though admittedly they elicit anger when one is the potential target of desperate acts.
Oh how he whines for the IslamoNazis! Palestinians are governed by terrorists with a terrorist army that has been declared so by the US govt. what are you blaberring again?
 
Why did the Arab Palestinians target the Jewish Palestinians centuries before political Zionism?

Because they understood that the Jews, who were not Palestinians (they were from Spain and Portugal), had the intention of removing them in time.
Dang, so the invading Arab savages got to decide whether Jews get to come or stay in their own holy land? Ha ha ha. Yup, this guy is a whack job.
 
Even BEFORE 1948 Jews & were being massacred & ethnically cleansed in & around the holy land by Muslims. Hey I have an idea. Lets blame it on Israel.

Point of No Return: Jewish Refugees from Arab Countries: Massacres of Jews by Muslims before 1948

Another Hasbara site. Do you morons think anyone, except you morons, take propaganda sites seriously?

Oh, hi ya Monte. Live & learn. Enjoy!

Jews Among the Arabs

The Jewish Buffalo Blog. Please keep it up, you are hilarious.
 
Even BEFORE 1948 Jews & were being massacred & ethnically cleansed in & around the holy land by Muslims. Hey I have an idea. Lets blame it on Israel.

Point of No Return: Jewish Refugees from Arab Countries: Massacres of Jews by Muslims before 1948

Another Hasbara site. Do you morons think anyone, except you morons, take propaganda sites seriously?

Oh, hi ya Monte. Live & learn. Enjoy!

Jews Among the Arabs

The Jewish Buffalo Blog. Please keep it up, you are hilarious.

Can You correct or refute anything written in the blog?
Or is it only because it comes from a Jew...
 
Even BEFORE 1948 Jews & were being massacred & ethnically cleansed in & around the holy land by Muslims. Hey I have an idea. Lets blame it on Israel.

Point of No Return: Jewish Refugees from Arab Countries: Massacres of Jews by Muslims before 1948

Another Hasbara site. Do you morons think anyone, except you morons, take propaganda sites seriously?

Do You deny Jews were discriminated against and mascaraed in Palestine prior to Zionism?
 
It is amazing how a tiny desert population, the Arabian desert could support very few people, have so many descendants. You people just don't do logic, do you. The "Arabian hordes" were almost all local converts, don't you get it.

Fertile Israel is nothing like the Arabian desert that the tribes of banu-Abbas and al-Husseini came from. It actually could be one of the reasons they might have stayed in the area.
Lebanon with its' 44% Arabians is an example. .
 
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Even BEFORE 1948 Jews & were being massacred & ethnically cleansed in & around the holy land by Muslims. Hey I have an idea. Lets blame it on Israel.

Point of No Return: Jewish Refugees from Arab Countries: Massacres of Jews by Muslims before 1948

Another Hasbara site. Do you morons think anyone, except you morons, take propaganda sites seriously?

Oh, hi ya Monte. Live & learn. Enjoy!

Jews Among the Arabs

The Jewish Buffalo Blog. Please keep it up, you are hilarious.

Can You correct or refute anything written in the blog?
Or is it only because it comes from a Jew...

Yes, it is a load of bullshit. Read some real history about the Jews and Muslims and you will find that the allied themselves with the Muslims and oppressed the Christians on their behalf. The Jews had high positions in Government. Most Americans, and English speaking in general, only read propaganda, in English, on the subject mostly written by Jews. How about reading peer reviewed academic material.

https://rua.ua.es/dspace/bitstream/10045/13209/1/Hinojosa_Judios_España.pdf
 
Even BEFORE 1948 Jews & were being massacred & ethnically cleansed in & around the holy land by Muslims. Hey I have an idea. Lets blame it on Israel.

Point of No Return: Jewish Refugees from Arab Countries: Massacres of Jews by Muslims before 1948

Another Hasbara site. Do you morons think anyone, except you morons, take propaganda sites seriously?

Oh, hi ya Monte. Live & learn. Enjoy!

Jews Among the Arabs

The Jewish Buffalo Blog. Please keep it up, you are hilarious.

Can You correct or refute anything written in the blog?
Or is it only because it comes from a Jew...

Yes, it is a load of bullshit. Read some real history about the Jews and Muslims and you will find that the allied themselves with the Muslims and oppressed the Christians on their behalf. The Jews had high positions in Government. Most Americans, and English speaking in general, only read propaganda, in English, on the subject mostly written by Jews. How about reading peer reviewed academic material.

https://rua.ua.es/dspace/bitstream/10045/13209/1/Hinojosa_Judios_España.pdf
I'm not saying Jews in Muslim countries experienced anything even close to the horrors in the Christian countries - -nothing compares to that.

I'm sure You don't mean to say Jews weren't targeted dhimmis who had to wear the infamous yellow badge. Or weren't massacred and expelled en mass?
No forced conversions?
 
Even BEFORE 1948 Jews & were being massacred & ethnically cleansed in & around the holy land by Muslims. Hey I have an idea. Lets blame it on Israel.

Point of No Return: Jewish Refugees from Arab Countries: Massacres of Jews by Muslims before 1948

Another Hasbara site. Do you morons think anyone, except you morons, take propaganda sites seriously?

Do You deny Jews were discriminated against and mascaraed in Palestine prior to Zionism?

If there was discrimination it was by the Ottoman rulers, not the Palestinian Christians or Muslims. They were also subjects of the Ottomans. If there was civil strife between confessions, it was simply civil strife. The Druze, Sunni, Christians and Jews all fought each other. You always put the Jews on a separate pedestal, as a European and a Christian I am more likely to support fellow Christians. Jews and Muslims are meh to me. Both disgusting violent sects.
 
Even BEFORE 1948 Jews & were being massacred & ethnically cleansed in & around the holy land by Muslims. Hey I have an idea. Lets blame it on Israel.

Point of No Return: Jewish Refugees from Arab Countries: Massacres of Jews by Muslims before 1948

Another Hasbara site. Do you morons think anyone, except you morons, take propaganda sites seriously?

Do You deny Jews were discriminated against and mascaraed in Palestine prior to Zionism?

If there was discrimination it was by the Ottoman rulers, not the Palestinian Christians or Muslims. They were also subjects of the Ottomans. If there was civil strife between confessions, it was simply civil strife. The Druze, Sunni, Christians and Jews all fought each other. You always put the Jews on a separate pedestal, as a European and a Christian I am more likely to support fellow Christians. Jews and Muslims are meh to me. Both disgusting violent sects.

I'm not talking about personal preferences but about whitewashing all the massacres and systematic discrimination against Jews, in Palestine and elsewhere under the submission of Islam.

This is usually done in support of new events like mentioned above.

BTW even under the Ottoman occupation, Palestinian Jews lived among Arabs, not
Turks. And this still doesn't explain why Jewish communities were targeted FIRST in spite of being unrelated to the inner Arab conflicts.
 
Even BEFORE 1948 Jews & were being massacred & ethnically cleansed in & around the holy land by Muslims. Hey I have an idea. Lets blame it on Israel.

Point of No Return: Jewish Refugees from Arab Countries: Massacres of Jews by Muslims before 1948

Another Hasbara site. Do you morons think anyone, except you morons, take propaganda sites seriously?

Do You deny Jews were discriminated against and mascaraed in Palestine prior to Zionism?

If there was discrimination it was by the Ottoman rulers, not the Palestinian Christians or Muslims. They were also subjects of the Ottomans. If there was civil strife between confessions, it was simply civil strife. The Druze, Sunni, Christians and Jews all fought each other. You always put the Jews on a separate pedestal, as a European and a Christian I am more likely to support fellow Christians. Jews and Muslims are meh to me. Both disgusting violent sects.

I'm not talking about personal preferences but about whitewashing all the massacres and systematic discrimination against Jews, in Palestine and elsewhere under the submission of Islam.

This is usually done in support of new events like mentioned above.

BTW even under the Ottoman occupation, Palestinian Jews lived among Arabs, not
Turks. And this still doesn't explain why Jewish communities were targeted FIRST in spite of being unrelated to the inner Arab conflicts.
Because Jews didn't have a reputation for being violent.
 
They were not targeted first. The Druzes attacked the Christians before the massacre at Safed, and the Sunni do not consider them Muslim. It was civil strife. The Jews, at the time were considered Arabs, quit making things up. They were Arab Jews, like Arab Christians, Arab Sunnis or Arab Druze. The only real Arabians were the Bedouin who were not involved and were roaming around as they have always done.
 
They were not targeted first. The Druzes attacked the Christians before the massacre at Safed, and the Sunni do not consider them Muslim. It was civil strife. The Jews, at the time were considered Arabs, quit making things up. They were Arab Jews, like Arab Christians, Arab Sunnis or Arab Druze. The only real Arabians were the Bedouin who were not involved and were roaming around as they have always done.

There were Yiddish, Ldaino and Judeo-Arabic languages used by Jews in Palestine.
Even though they were promised a pass for being unrelated to the inner struggles they were STILL targeted first.


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