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Bernie Calls For a Moral Economy; Why Not?

JimBowie1958

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We can change tax policies to encourage a more moral and considerate form of economics, so why not do it?

Why do we prefer to live in an economic jungle instead of a 'well regulated' economic garden?

Which would you rather leave to your kids and grand kids?

At the Vatican, Sanders Calls for a ‘Moral Economy’
During a speech this morning at the Vatican, Senator Bernie Sanders advocated for an end to income inequality in America, condemned Wall Street for contributing to that inequality, and called for “a truly moral economy.”...


Sanders was the only presidential candidate invited to a conference at the Vatican today, which was hosted by the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences. According to The New York Times, Bishop Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo, the academy’s chancellor, said Sanders was invited because he is “the candidate who cites the pope the most in his campaign.”

The conference marks the 25th anniversary of Pope John Paul II’s Centesimus Annus encyclical, which called for social and economic justice at the end of the Cold War. In that encyclical, the Pope spoke out against the “illicit exploitation, speculation, or the breaking of solidarity among working people” in pursuit of profit. That made the conference fertile ground for Sanders to discuss his core campaign issues, including income inequality and corporate greed.

But while Sanders is often challenged to explain the mechanics of his plans to decrease income inequality in the United States, the speech at the Vatican was a rare chance to lay out a purely moral argument for doing so.

The issue of wealth and income inequality is the great economic issue of our time, the great political issue of our time, and the great moral issue of our time,” he said. “It is an issue that we must confront in my nation and across the world.

Though Pope Francis wasn’t in attendance at the conference, Sanders invoked the Pope’s speeches and writings, showcasing the similarities between himself and Pope Francis.

“As Pope Francis has stated: ‘Man is not in charge today, money is in charge, money rules,'” Sanders said. “And the Pope has also stated: ‘We have created new idols. The worship of the golden calf of old has found a new and heartless image in the cult of money and the dictatorship of an economy which is faceless and lacking any truly humane goal.'”
 
Democrats want to create a "moral economy"?
How about AFTER Unicorns sh#t rainbows?

So the Vatican is Democrat?

Hows that?

Alot more people want a moral economic system, instead of the rule of the Jungle where everyone is encouraged to eat their own.
 
A moral economy?

You mean, one where people get only what they pay for (or work for)?

Count me in.

(Except that's NEVER what Bernie Sanders means.)

When socialist liberals (which is most of them) refer to a "moral economy", they usually mean an economy where people get what the liberals think they should get. According to some fuzzy notions in their heads that they can't even voice much less agree on. But which have little to do with how much the person's work is actually worth.
 
Good Lord....I'm not sure here....Did the Bern EVER hold an actual job in his 75 years? Just curious - because he apparently has no clue whatsoever as to how an "Economy" and the "demand" in the economy works. So, I don't know, what do we do? elect this clown, allow him to make the government 10 times the size it is now and 20-25 TRILLION in debt and have him make hundreds of thousands a year while he tells US what WE can make?

Sounds pretty damned tyrannical to me - sort of like Fidel Castro....
 
A moral economy?

You mean, one where people get only what they pay for (or work for)?

Count me in.

(Except that's NEVER what Bernie Sanders means.)

When socialist liberals (which is most of them) refer to a "moral economy", they usually mean an economy where people get what the liberals think they should get. According to some fuzzy notions in their heads that they can't even voice much less agree on. But which have little to do with how much the person's work is actually worth.


So we have a county where there are people mining for gold (taken straight out of history) and making fortunes.

At first it is easy, then it gets hard to find, but thousands are still flocking in to get rich. After a while, if you strike gold you keep it to yourself or else other starving miners might rob you and leave you for crow food. It devolves into a jungle of rats feeding on each other.

Then come the biggest rats who bully the starving miners into line and buy all the producing mines and hire the starving miners to work the mines. The few miners with producing mines that wont sell get forced into it by big mining company interests. That is how you start with 30 companies all doing the same service or product getting reduced down to 3 or so. They rob, steal and connive to kill their competition.

That is how the Carnegies and so forth got to be monopolies; they dint have the best mouse trap, they stole the mouse trap and killed their competition.

What is wrong with saying, 'Hey, lets all organize in this democratic Republic and make the companies and corporations play fair? Make them stop screwing people over for a dime and make them obey the laws? Why not give them financial incentives to behave like a decent human being instead of a money grubbing whore?'
 
Good Lord....I'm not sure here....Did the Bern EVER hold an actual job in his 75 years? Just curious - because he apparently has no clue whatsoever as to how an "Economy" and the "demand" in the economy works. So, I don't know, what do we do? elect this clown, allow him to make the government 10 times the size it is now and 20-25 TRILLION in debt and have him make hundreds of thousands a year while he tells US what WE can make?

Sounds pretty damned tyrannical to me - sort of like Fidel Castro....

No,it is nothinglike Fidel Castro.

You simply cannot distinguish between democratic socialism that made this country a great nation vrs communism.

Thats not Sanders fault, dude.
 
Good Lord....I'm not sure here....Did the Bern EVER hold an actual job in his 75 years? Just curious - because he apparently has no clue whatsoever as to how an "Economy" and the "demand" in the economy works. So, I don't know, what do we do? elect this clown, allow him to make the government 10 times the size it is now and 20-25 TRILLION in debt and have him make hundreds of thousands a year while he tells US what WE can make?

Sounds pretty damned tyrannical to me - sort of like Fidel Castro....

No,it is nothinglike Fidel Castro.

You simply cannot distinguish between democratic socialism that made this country a great nation vrs communism.

Thats not Sanders fault, dude.


Look. You like the "little Castro" and I get it. Hell, Vote for him if you like. You and about 100,000 other "socialists" will watch on election night as he is slaughtered. Just as McGovern was and just like McCarthy was. This is America buddy. I realize that you are unhappy about it - but you're always free to leave...
 
Look. You like the "little Castro" and I get it. Hell, Vote for him if you like. You and about 100,000 other "socialists" will watch on election night as he is slaughtered. Just as McGovern was and just like McCarthy was. This is America buddy. I realize that you are unhappy about it - but you're always free to leave...

And I should leave this country to the corporate pirates to then steal from my children? To then plunder the rest of the planet with no bounds to their greed?

Oh, no, I think I'll take 'Burn the Bastards in Their Sleep' for $5 Alex.
 
We can change tax policies to encourage a more moral and considerate form of economics, so why not do it?

Why do we prefer to live in an economic jungle instead of a 'well regulated' economic garden?

Which would you rather leave to your kids and grand kids?

At the Vatican, Sanders Calls for a ‘Moral Economy’
During a speech this morning at the Vatican, Senator Bernie Sanders advocated for an end to income inequality in America, condemned Wall Street for contributing to that inequality, and called for “a truly moral economy.”...


Sanders was the only presidential candidate invited to a conference at the Vatican today, which was hosted by the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences. According to The New York Times, Bishop Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo, the academy’s chancellor, said Sanders was invited because he is “the candidate who cites the pope the most in his campaign.”

The conference marks the 25th anniversary of Pope John Paul II’s Centesimus Annus encyclical, which called for social and economic justice at the end of the Cold War. In that encyclical, the Pope spoke out against the “illicit exploitation, speculation, or the breaking of solidarity among working people” in pursuit of profit. That made the conference fertile ground for Sanders to discuss his core campaign issues, including income inequality and corporate greed.

But while Sanders is often challenged to explain the mechanics of his plans to decrease income inequality in the United States, the speech at the Vatican was a rare chance to lay out a purely moral argument for doing so.

The issue of wealth and income inequality is the great economic issue of our time, the great political issue of our time, and the great moral issue of our time,” he said. “It is an issue that we must confront in my nation and across the world.

Though Pope Francis wasn’t in attendance at the conference, Sanders invoked the Pope’s speeches and writings, showcasing the similarities between himself and Pope Francis.

“As Pope Francis has stated: ‘Man is not in charge today, money is in charge, money rules,'” Sanders said. “And the Pope has also stated: ‘We have created new idols. The worship of the golden calf of old has found a new and heartless image in the cult of money and the dictatorship of an economy which is faceless and lacking any truly humane goal.'”

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...


Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...


You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one


Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...


You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one






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Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...
People just living for today is the problem, dude. To survive you need foresight and to paln for the future, You need to pull together as part of a community.

And everything we think we know ultimately rests on the concept of an Orderly Minded Creator.

Without such a Creator, the universe is a dark, insane and cold place.
 
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...
People just living for today is the problem, dude. To survive you need foresight and to paln for the future, You need to pull together as part of a community.

And everything we think we know ultimately rests on the concept of an Orderly Minded Creator.

Without such a Creator, the universe is a dark, insane and cold place.


From my point of view you only have basically three systems, communism, capitalism or dictatorships

The only dictatorship that ever worked out for the best was Bill France in NASCAR

Communism only makes the government officials rich

Capitilism only makes the private individual rich.


All the rest if you ask me are just some sort of combination of the above, you can not legistratee morality it will never work .

Some one will always look and find a loop hole and you can keep trying to close them untill EVERY one loses their freedom. What one person thinks is moral right the others will disagree.

Examples: I think abortion is morally wrong You and others might think it is not.

I think allowing weird dudes in dresses into young girls bathrooms is morally wrong. you and others might think it is morally right.




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From my point of view you only have basically three systems, communism, capitalism or dictatorships...

Communism only makes the government officials rich

Capitilism only makes the private individual rich.
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Well, you have every right to think that, but the fact is that it is not true. There are many shades of gray between capitalism and communism and the Golden Mean is somewhere in the middle.
 
Capitalism has brought more people out of poverty than any other system ever in the world. Spare me your moral elitism.
According to who; capitalist stooges?

Capitalism is like a fire; it is dangerous and you have to control it or it can burn down the whole house but, controlled, you can do a lot of good with it.

Government is exactly the same way.

And no, I will not spare you my moral elitism, bubba.
 
From my point of view you only have basically three systems, communism, capitalism or dictatorships...

Communism only makes the government officials rich

Capitilism only makes the private individual rich.
.

Well, you have every right to think that, but the fact is that it is not true. There are many shades of gray between capitalism and communism and the Golden Mean is somewhere in the middle.


Notify me if any country ever finds it. I wish it to be true, But by the looks of the Panama story this week I have a long wait to go.


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From my point of view you only have basically three systems, communism, capitalism or dictatorships...

Communism only makes the government officials rich

Capitilism only makes the private individual rich.
.

Well, you have every right to think that, but the fact is that it is not true. There are many shades of gray between capitalism and communism and the Golden Mean is somewhere in the middle.


Notify me if any country ever finds it. I wish it to be true, But by the looks of the Panama story this week I have a long wait to go.


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You might be interested in reading about so-called 'Nordic Socialism' which is the kind of Socialism that Sanders wants. Norway which uses that form of socialism has a higher stanard of living than the USA does.

There is no reason we have to live and work in a 'rat eats rat' world.
 
We can change tax policies to encourage a more moral and considerate form of economics, so why not do it?

Why do we prefer to live in an economic jungle instead of a 'well regulated' economic garden?

Which would you rather leave to your kids and grand kids?

At the Vatican, Sanders Calls for a ‘Moral Economy’
During a speech this morning at the Vatican, Senator Bernie Sanders advocated for an end to income inequality in America, condemned Wall Street for contributing to that inequality, and called for “a truly moral economy.”...


Sanders was the only presidential candidate invited to a conference at the Vatican today, which was hosted by the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences. According to The New York Times, Bishop Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo, the academy’s chancellor, said Sanders was invited because he is “the candidate who cites the pope the most in his campaign.”

The conference marks the 25th anniversary of Pope John Paul II’s Centesimus Annus encyclical, which called for social and economic justice at the end of the Cold War. In that encyclical, the Pope spoke out against the “illicit exploitation, speculation, or the breaking of solidarity among working people” in pursuit of profit. That made the conference fertile ground for Sanders to discuss his core campaign issues, including income inequality and corporate greed.

But while Sanders is often challenged to explain the mechanics of his plans to decrease income inequality in the United States, the speech at the Vatican was a rare chance to lay out a purely moral argument for doing so.

The issue of wealth and income inequality is the great economic issue of our time, the great political issue of our time, and the great moral issue of our time,” he said. “It is an issue that we must confront in my nation and across the world.

Though Pope Francis wasn’t in attendance at the conference, Sanders invoked the Pope’s speeches and writings, showcasing the similarities between himself and Pope Francis.

“As Pope Francis has stated: ‘Man is not in charge today, money is in charge, money rules,'” Sanders said. “And the Pope has also stated: ‘We have created new idols. The worship of the golden calf of old has found a new and heartless image in the cult of money and the dictatorship of an economy which is faceless and lacking any truly humane goal.'”

What could be more "immoral" than looting money from the people who earned it so you can dispense to ticks on the ass of society?
 
From my point of view you only have basically three systems, communism, capitalism or dictatorships...

Communism only makes the government officials rich

Capitilism only makes the private individual rich.
.

Well, you have every right to think that, but the fact is that it is not true. There are many shades of gray between capitalism and communism and the Golden Mean is somewhere in the middle.


Notify me if any country ever finds it. I wish it to be true, But by the looks of the Panama story this week I have a long wait to go.


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.


You might be interested in reading about so-called 'Nordic Socialism' which is the kind of Socialism that Sanders wants. Norway which uses that form of socialism has a higher stanard of living than the USA does.

There is no reason we have to live and work in a 'rat eats rat' world.

So-called "Nordic socialism" is indistinguishable from capitalism.
 

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