Bernie Calls For a Moral Economy; Why Not?

[bripat9643]

A moral economy?

You mean, one where people get only what they pay for (or work for)?

Count me in.

(Except that's NEVER what Bernie Sanders means.)

When socialist liberals (which is most of them) refer to a "moral economy", they usually mean an economy where people get what the liberals think they should get. According to some fuzzy notions in their heads that they can't even voice much less agree on. But which have little to do with how much the person's work is actually worth.

A moral economy does not allow a small number of the richest and most powerful to use their advantage to exploit and abuse the rest of the society.

How are the rich "exploiting and abusing" the rest of society? That is, unless you're referring to the crony capitalists that the Dims are all pals with.

 

[Stephanie]

I can't believe we have a flaming commie sympathizer/avowed Socialist calling for anything in this country. let alone running for President. sheeesh this country is doomed with the citizens of today

 

[guno]

I can't believe we have a flaming commie sympathizer/avowed Socialist calling for anything in this country. let alone running for President. sheeesh this country is doomed with the citizens of today

yep can you imagine all the trailer park dwellers being able to vote , real low info people

 

[Iceweasel]

So we have a county where there are people mining for gold (taken straight out of history) and making fortunes.

At first it is easy, then it gets hard to find, but thousands are still flocking in to get rich. After a while, if you strike gold you keep it to yourself or else other starving miners might rob you and leave you for crow food. It devolves into a jungle of rats feeding on each other.

If it's mined out you go somewhere else or find another way to feed your face. Stealing is immoral and that's what socialism does. It takes from the miner that risked it all, busted his ass and finally prospered to someone how stands around crying about income disparity. socialism is the worse vice on earth, the thinking of children and the method of the corrupt power brokers.

 

[Mac1958]

yep can you imagine all the trailer park dwellers being able to vote , real low info people

My guess is that there are a lot of people living in trailer parks who are far more content in their lives than those who feel a need to insult them.

But whatever helps you feel a little better about yourself, I reckon.
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[Stephanie]

yep can you imagine all the trailer park dwellers being able to vote , real low info people

My guess is that there are a lot of people living in trailer parks who are far more content in their lives than those who feel a need to insult them.

But whatever helps you feel a little better about yourself, I reckon.
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they are the people who runs the board into the gutter

 

[SuperDemocrat]

I thought our economy was a pretty moral thing. We don't allow people to steal or scam others to get things. I don't see what is so immoral about it.

 

[BluesLegend]

A moral economy where deadbeats and moochers get off their fat lazy lard asses and pay their fair share lowering my taxes?

 

[Mac1958]

A moral economy is one that recognizes the fact that...

...different individuals possess different capacities for wealth creation
...those on the lower end of that scale still have value
...everyone's standard of life is improved when we as a society can provide a better foundation for all

I'm selfish -- not seeing people suffering in the streets, not seeing decrepit parks, knowing that people are not living in squalor improves my quality of life.
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[FJO]

Good Lord....I'm not sure here....Did the Bern EVER hold an actual job in his 75 years? Just curious - because he apparently has no clue whatsoever as to how an "Economy" and the "demand" in the economy works. So, I don't know, what do we do? elect this clown, allow him to make the government 10 times the size it is now and 20-25 TRILLION in debt and have him make hundreds of thousands a year while he tells US what WE can make?

Sounds pretty damned tyrannical to me - sort of like Fidel Castro....

I used to live in Burlington, Ontario, Canada in the 1970's and 1980's and we used to have this Burlington International Games, in which young competitors from Burlington, Ontario and Burlington, Vermont would meet in friendly competition in various sports. Location alternated from year to year. Guest kids were billeted, stayed with the families of their opponents, develop friendship and promoting understanding, cultures and customs in our two countries. Each year the mayor of the host city would welcome the guests, give a speech and then let the games begin. Ontario automatically (but not without a valiant effort) conceded soft ball to Vermont, while soccer belonged to Ontario.

I first met Bernie Sanders at one of these events. As years went by, and as our kids have grown up, Vermont and Sanders faded in my memory, until I saw and old picture of Sanders, which brought it all back.

Thought to myself: Could this be real? How could anyone be such a perpetual freeloader, living off the taxpayer, improving only his own status in life from the mayor of an insignificant little town in an insignificant little state to United States Senator and a contender for the Presidency, while not producing a single tangible evidence that his political manoeuvrings benefited nobody but himself? How can such a hypocrite claim to be INDEPENDENT, but always sucking up to (i.e. caucusing with) Democrats? How can he get away with such cowardly behavior running under the Democrat banner?

If this freeloading fucker claims that he is for the middle class, he should try to be middle class. Produce something, be it a screw in place on an assembly line or a line in a computer program or forever hold his peace. Or if he claims to be the champion of the oppressed who work for minimum wage, try to work for the minimum wage. Or, better still, imagine himself to be the employer who faces the choice of going bankrupt or laying off employees who need whatever they earn to provide for heir families.

This time of the year there is talk about "Tax Freedom" day, which is the day that a person has paid all his federal taxes by.

This useless fuck forgot to mention that if all his wild promises came true, the "Tax Freedom" day for Americans would be the day coinciding not with the Resurrection, but with the birth of someone whom he hates.

 

[FJO]

I can't believe we have a flaming commie sympathizer/avowed Socialist calling for anything in this country. let alone running for President. sheeesh this country is doomed with the citizens of today

yep can you imagine all the trailer park dwellers being able to vote , real low info people

Trailer park dwellers DO vote. And they vote far more intelligently than the inner city slum dwellers like you.

 

[Iceweasel]

A moral economy is one that recognizes the fact that...

...different individuals possess different capacities for wealth creation
...those on the lower end of that scale still have value
...everyone's standard of life is improved when we as a society can provide a better foundation for all

I'm selfish -- not seeing people suffering in the streets, not seeing decrepit parks, knowing that people are not living in squalor improves my quality of life.
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Value can't be determined by artificial means. Putting a price tag on something doesn't create value. If you try to sell a dog turd for $50 you will have no luck.

Pretending that elites in government can determine each individual's value is just as silly. A floor sweeper has value, it's what the market will bear. Giving him more than he's worth by law passes the costs on to us or the job goes away. And the government official gets a nifty lifestyle for his good efforts, that we pay for.

 

[Norman]

Last time I checked theft is not moral.

 

[PredFan]

Why not? Because there is nothing moral about taking money from someone to give to someone else.

 

[Stephanie]

I can't believe we have a flaming commie sympathizer/avowed Socialist calling for anything in this country. let alone running for President. sheeesh this country is doomed with the citizens of today

yep can you imagine all the trailer park dwellers being able to vote , real low info people

Trailer park dwellers DO vote. And they vote far more intelligently than the inner city slum dwellers like you.

and they are a lot nicer people too. I mean who want's to live around some snob like the Guano?

 

[Freewill]

Whose morality?

 

[Katzndogz]

A moral economy is one that recognizes the fact that...

...different individuals possess different capacities for wealth creation
...those on the lower end of that scale still have value
...everyone's standard of life is improved when we as a society can provide a better foundation for all

I'm selfish -- not seeing people suffering in the streets, not seeing decrepit parks, knowing that people are not living in squalor improves my quality of life.
.

Value can't be determined by artificial means. Putting a price tag on something doesn't create value. If you try to sell a dog turd for $50 you will have no luck.

Pretending that elites in government can determine each individual's value is just as silly. A floor sweeper has value, it's what the market will bear. Giving him more than he's worth by law passes the costs on to us or the job goes away. And the government official gets a nifty lifestyle for his good efforts, that we pay for.

The floor sweeper has no value. The task of sweeping the floor has value. The floor sweeper could be a nuclear physicist who makes over a hundred thousand a year working as a nuclear physicist. When he works as a floor sweeper, he will make no more than the retard who is only capable of sweeping the floor.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Good Lord....I'm not sure here....Did the Bern EVER hold an actual job in his 75 years? Just curious - because he apparently has no clue whatsoever as to how an "Economy" and the "demand" in the economy works. So, I don't know, what do we do? elect this clown, allow him to make the government 10 times the size it is now and 20-25 TRILLION in debt and have him make hundreds of thousands a year while he tells US what WE can make?

Sounds pretty damned tyrannical to me - sort of like Fidel Castro....

I used to live in Burlington, Ontario, Canada in the 1970's and 1980's and we used to have this Burlington International Games, in which young competitors from Burlington, Ontario and Burlington, Vermont would meet in friendly competition in various sports. Location alternated from year to year. Guest kids were billeted, stayed with the families of their opponents, develop friendship and promoting understanding, cultures and customs in our two countries. Each year the mayor of the host city would welcome the guests, give a speech and then let the games begin. Ontario automatically (but not without a valiant effort) conceded soft ball to Vermont, while soccer belonged to Ontario.

I first met Bernie Sanders at one of these events. As years went by, and as our kids have grown up, Vermont and Sanders faded in my memory, until I saw and old picture of Sanders, which brought it all back.

Thought to myself: Could this be real? How could anyone be such a perpetual freeloader, living off the taxpayer, improving only his own status in life from the mayor of an insignificant little town in an insignificant little state to United States Senator and a contender for the Presidency, while not producing a single tangible evidence that his political manoeuvrings benefited nobody but himself? How can such a hypocrite claim to be INDEPENDENT, but always sucking up to (i.e. caucusing with) Democrats? How can he get away with such cowardly behavior running under the Democrat banner?

If this freeloading fucker claims that he is for the middle class, he should try to be middle class. Produce something, be it a screw in place on an assembly line or a line in a computer program or forever hold his peace. Or if he claims to be the champion of the oppressed who work for minimum wage, try to work for the minimum wage. Or, better still, imagine himself to be the employer who faces the choice of going bankrupt or laying off employees who need whatever they earn to provide for heir families.

This time of the year there is talk about "Tax Freedom" day, which is the day that a person has paid all his federal taxes by.

This useless fuck forgot to mention that if all his wild promises came true, the "Tax Freedom" day for Americans would be the day coinciding not with the Resurrection, but with the birth of someone whom he hates.

Indeed. That's the problem with 95% of politicians these days. They start out with the best intentions - when they run for City Council (or whatever). Slowly, but surely the lust for power creeps in and it's fed by MONEY. By the time they get to Washington DC - they are nothing more than whores that are out for themselves.

 

[FJO]

The epitome and example of political whores, of insatiable free loaders, of egotistical punks, of unpatriotic and self-serving yahoos, of mental and physical cripples, of phony allies of Communist mass murderers was set by Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

Any politician who serves, has served or plans to serve more than what he/she is first elected for or serving now, is a whore.

 

[JoeNormal]

From my point of view you only have basically three systems, communism, capitalism or dictatorships...

Communism only makes the government officials rich

Capitilism only makes the private individual rich.
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Well, you have every right to think that, but the fact is that it is not true. There are many shades of gray between capitalism and communism and the Golden Mean is somewhere in the middle.

Notify me if any country ever finds it. I wish it to be true, But by the looks of the Panama story this week I have a long wait to go.


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You might be interested in reading about so-called 'Nordic Socialism' which is the kind of Socialism that Sanders wants. Norway which uses that form of socialism has a higher stanard of living than the USA does.

There is no reason we have to live and work in a 'rat eats rat' world.

So-called "Nordic socialism" is indistinguishable from capitalism.

What are you afraid of then?