Best argument against gun control. Nothing else needs to be said.

[Pop23]

Oh I think PLENTY more needs to be said.

But this angry clickbait OP is not going to be the appropriate place to say it

Or, you just have nothing relevant, which is likely true.

 

[kaz]

You people need to calm the fuck down.

Nobody wants your damn guns.

The question is whether you're really that stupid or just a liar

I vote liar.

Agreed. It's incredible how anyone can sit there with a straight face and tell such an obvious lie as that the Democrat party doesn't want to ban guns and wouldn't if it were up to them. I mean please. Tell me Santa Claus is real ...

 

[kaz]

You people need to calm the fuck down.

Nobody wants your damn guns.

The question is whether you're really that stupid or just a liar

I vote liar.

Wrong....both.

I didn’t realize that was an option.

I stand corrected

Mr Clean probably still believes Obama thought Benghazi was a spontaneous attack by 150 armed attackers on the one year anniversary of 9/11 over a video, that if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor and Hillary lost because of Macedonian content farms

 

[Skull Pilot]

No, just the opposite happens. A police state happens when the government disarms the law abiding populace. That's a police state! Police are government, and that is the only people they want armed. Oh, but the criminals will be armed also.

Um.. okay.

Most industrialized democracies either ban guns or limit who can own them, and they have less of a police presence than we do. They also have less crime and less violence, and lock up a small fraction of the number of people we do.

No they don't have less crime or less violence.

You are twice as likely to be raped or assaulted in the UK than in the US

 

[Skull Pilot]

Wrong.....they all now have increasing violent crime including gun crime, their welfare states have destroyed their families and they are importing violent immigrants who now control the drug trade in those countries....

Yeah, guy... those countries have nowhere near the crime rates we have... i know i hate keep having to break that to you.

United Kingdom vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

The UK crimes per 1000 people 109.6
The US crimes per 1000 people 41.29

The UK has MORE crime per capita than does the US

 

[Skull Pilot]

I own guns and am supportive of law abiding citizens rights to own firearms. I’m fine with placing strong regulations on weapons or accessories that make guns more capable of mass casualties, like autos, bump stocks, and LCMs. I’m also fine with a registration, quick universal background check process, beefing up a restriction database and a waiting period to reduce impulse buys

None of the things you want will stop criminals or mass shooters.....

Do you understand that there is no research that supports anything you suggested? That what you want you simply want out of emotion, and not from any actual detterrent effect?

Yes, like the global warming scam, they do not want to listen to the actual facts. They cling to the lies and perpetuate the lies.

That explains your really stupid post.

You are a global warming denier & we all know those people are dumber than shit.

So you know how the global climate works? Wow, you’re the only one. You should educate us

Educated an ignorant fool is difficult.

I believe the vast majority of climatologists.

We know this:

More CO2 in the atmosphere => higher greenhouse gas effects => warmer temperatures

Then how about you see when the hottest years have occurred since the 1880s.

What facts do you have?

Educated an ignorant fool is difficult?

Before you call other people ignorant or uneducated you might want to brush up on your grammar.

 

[kaz]

No, just the opposite happens. A police state happens when the government disarms the law abiding populace. That's a police state! Police are government, and that is the only people they want armed. Oh, but the criminals will be armed also.

Um.. okay.

Most industrialized democracies either ban guns or limit who can own them, and they have less of a police presence than we do. They also have less crime and less violence, and lock up a small fraction of the number of people we do.

No they don't have less crime or less violence.

You are twice as likely to be raped or assaulted in the UK than in the US

Joe claimed he switched from Democrat to Republican under W v. Gore. Then when that became too long ago he decided to change it he decided he voted for W twice and switched in Romney v. Obama.

Joe claims he is a gun owner, former military and an avid shooter and wants guns banned because he realizes they are useless for self defense. Also he says people on shooting ranges fantasize they are killing things. Oh, but he doesn't.

Joe also after he became a Democrat forgot why Republicans believe what they do and swallowed every Democrat talking point that Republicans believe what they do because they are racists who love corporations and the rich and hate the poor.

Joe also said he made most of the money his employer made but they fired him because of medical bills and he's unfamiliar with how group rates work. He also BTW made them all the money when it turns out he worked in purchasing, not sales.

The US versus the UK actual crime states are way, way above his intellectual pay grade ...

 

[Slade3200]

Uhh, sure some want to ban guns and some want to repeal the 2nd, also some want to keep the 2nd Amendment and institute smart regulations. Can you admit that those all exist on the Left?

What is your stance, and what would your stance accomplish?

I own guns and am supportive of law abiding citizens rights to own firearms. I’m fine with placing strong regulations on weapons or accessories that make guns more capable of mass casualties, like autos, bump stocks, and LCMs. I’m also fine with a registration, quick universal background check process, beefing up a restriction database and a waiting period to reduce impulse buys

And this accomplished what?

And what accomplished what? You asked what I support, I just told you.

A bit of a typo. What would passing those accomplish?

Most are already in place, like the regulations on Autos and the fact you can’t just legally buy them on the street or at the local sporting goods store. I believe we are safer because of that. Same goes for the others. Regulations either make the weapons safer or less accessible to those who shouldn’t own them. It’s not a hard concept to understand. I believe we have had this discussion before

 

[Slade3200]

Do not worry though folks. The liars that lie about everything claim they do not want to ban all guns.

Like I said, the liars who lie about everything and defend their lying socialist scum sucking pig democrats claim they do not want to repeal the 2nd amendment.

Uhh, sure some want to ban guns and some want to repeal the 2nd, also some want to keep the 2nd Amendment and institute smart regulations. Can you admit that those all exist on the Left?

What is your stance, and what would your stance accomplish?

I own guns and am supportive of law abiding citizens rights to own firearms. I’m fine with placing strong regulations on weapons or accessories that make guns more capable of mass casualties, like autos, bump stocks, and LCMs. I’m also fine with a registration, quick universal background check process, beefing up a restriction database and a waiting period to reduce impulse buys

And this accomplished what?

None of the thing slade wants does anything to stop criminals or mass shooters...not a single thing. What it does do is make it incrementally more difficult, and incrementally more legally perilous for law abiding people to own and carry guns, as not doing the things he wants will incur stiff penalties on the law abiding, while criminals do whatever they want.

And nothing he suggested will work, or is needed...we have all the laws we need right now, the problem is that the democrat party keeps letting violent gun criminals out of jail........fix that, and our already declining gun violence will go even lower...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...



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-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Do you believe that the regulations we have on automobiles have made the roads safer and decreased car deaths? Things like drivers licenses, airbags, seat belts and speed limits?

 

[kaz]

What is your stance, and what would your stance accomplish?

I own guns and am supportive of law abiding citizens rights to own firearms. I’m fine with placing strong regulations on weapons or accessories that make guns more capable of mass casualties, like autos, bump stocks, and LCMs. I’m also fine with a registration, quick universal background check process, beefing up a restriction database and a waiting period to reduce impulse buys

And this accomplished what?

And what accomplished what? You asked what I support, I just told you.

A bit of a typo. What would passing those accomplish?

Most are already in place, like the regulations on Autos and the fact you can’t just legally buy them on the street or at the local sporting goods store. I believe we are safer because of that. Same goes for the others. Regulations either make the weapons safer or less accessible to those who shouldn’t own them. It’s not a hard concept to understand. I believe we have had this discussion before

Yes, we are safer because government prevents us from having a gun when we need them to protect ourselves. How'd that work out for the teachers and administrators who had CC permits in Parkland?

 

[Pop23]

Uhh, sure some want to ban guns and some want to repeal the 2nd, also some want to keep the 2nd Amendment and institute smart regulations. Can you admit that those all exist on the Left?

What is your stance, and what would your stance accomplish?

I own guns and am supportive of law abiding citizens rights to own firearms. I’m fine with placing strong regulations on weapons or accessories that make guns more capable of mass casualties, like autos, bump stocks, and LCMs. I’m also fine with a registration, quick universal background check process, beefing up a restriction database and a waiting period to reduce impulse buys

And this accomplished what?

None of the thing slade wants does anything to stop criminals or mass shooters...not a single thing. What it does do is make it incrementally more difficult, and incrementally more legally perilous for law abiding people to own and carry guns, as not doing the things he wants will incur stiff penalties on the law abiding, while criminals do whatever they want.

And nothing he suggested will work, or is needed...we have all the laws we need right now, the problem is that the democrat party keeps letting violent gun criminals out of jail........fix that, and our already declining gun violence will go even lower...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...



--------
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Do you believe that the regulations we have on automobiles have made the roads safer and decreased car deaths? Things like drivers licenses, airbags, seat belts and speed limits?

Using your logic, then not nearly enough car regulations are in place.

I pointed out earlier how your proposed solutions would save no lifes, or actually increase deaths. I also posted earlier that, if the goal is to eliminate as many deaths as possible, a "common sense car regulation" would be to simply eliminate any car capable of exceeding 45 mph.

My regulation still allows you to own and drive a car, just limit it's "potential" killing power.

Of course my "common sense car regulation" has proven data to back it up.

Don't worry though, no ones advocating taking your car.

 

[2aguy]

Do not worry though folks. The liars that lie about everything claim they do not want to ban all guns.

Like I said, the liars who lie about everything and defend their lying socialist scum sucking pig democrats claim they do not want to repeal the 2nd amendment.

Wow, nothing like a Trumpette complaining about liars.

Ban the assault type rifles.

More requirements to conceal carry.

Now explain how that is banning all guns.

The AR-15 is not an Assault weapon, it is not a weapon of war it is not a military weapon, and semi automatic rifles of all types are protected under the 2nd Amendment....

If you guys are allowed to ban the fake "Assault" rifle, which is just a semi automatic rifle with different plastic parts, you will come back and say that all semi automatic rifles .... pistols...revolvers....and shotguns, must also be banned since they all operate the same as the AR-15 civilian rifle..... one pull of the trigger, one shot, no manual reload...that is how it becomes a gun ban and according to the CNN Town Hall and the D.C. rallies and now democrat politicians, a gun ban and confiscation...

Your side can no longer hide what they want... they can't control themselves anymore, and they are giving up the game...

Democratic Rep. Ted Deutch: ‘No More Manufacture’ Of Semi-Automatic Rifles, ‘Get Them Out Of Our Communities’

As to concealed carry...law abiding gun owners who carry guns open or concealed carry are not shooting people in democrat controlled cities.... the people who are doing the shooting are criminals who can't buy, own,.......or carry, any gun of any kind....but have been let out of jail by democrat politicians and judges......

 

[2aguy]

Wrong.....they all now have increasing violent crime including gun crime, their welfare states have destroyed their families and they are importing violent immigrants who now control the drug trade in those countries....

Yeah, guy... those countries have nowhere near the crime rates we have... i know i hate keep having to break that to you.

Their crime rates are now going up, while ours are going down..... you don't get that crime rates are not static, and that Europe has done everything they can to create the environment to nurture violent crime...and it is now happening...

 

[2aguy]

You people need to calm the fuck down.

Nobody wants your damn guns.

Then why do they carry signs saying so?

Why did they say it at the CNN Town Hall, why did Justice Stephens say it, why did this democrat say it, including going house to house to grab guns...
Democratic Rep. Ted Deutch: ‘No More Manufacture’ Of Semi-Automatic Rifles, ‘Get Them Out Of Our Communities’

 

[2aguy]

You people need to calm the fuck down.

Nobody wants your damn guns.

Then why do they carry signs saying so?

Confiscation is exactly what the Democrats/Liberals/Leftists are all about.


That's why they bring up Australia.
Australia uses a mandated confiscation.



"Recently, Australia managed to take away tens of thousands, millions of handguns. In one year, they were all gone. Can we do that? If we can't, why can't we?" a man asked [Hillary] Clinton.

"In the Australian example, as I recall, that was a buyback program," Clinton responded. "The Australian government, as part of trying to clamp down on the availability of automatic weapons, offered a good price for buying hundreds of thousands of guns. Then, they basically clamped down, going forward, in terms of having more of a background check approach, more of a permitting approach, but they believe, and I think the evidence supports them, that by offering to buyback those guns, they were able to curtail the supply and set a different standard for gun purchases in the future … So I think that's worth considering. I do not know enough detail to tell you how we would do it, or how would it work, but certainly your example is worth looking at."
https://www.usnews.com/news/the-rep...-clinton-and-democrats-want-to-take-your-guns




"Hillary: Australia-style gun control ‘worth looking at’"
Hillary: Australia-style gun control ‘worth looking at’



"But both she and Barack Obama, along with other prominent Democrats, have invoked England and Australia as models America should consider adopting."
Democrats' "Australian-Style" Solution

And now their gun crime rate is going up..... and they still have public shootings...even though they keep lying about it.

 

[2aguy]

What is your stance, and what would your stance accomplish?

I own guns and am supportive of law abiding citizens rights to own firearms. I’m fine with placing strong regulations on weapons or accessories that make guns more capable of mass casualties, like autos, bump stocks, and LCMs. I’m also fine with a registration, quick universal background check process, beefing up a restriction database and a waiting period to reduce impulse buys

None of the things you want will stop criminals or mass shooters.....

Do you understand that there is no research that supports anything you suggested? That what you want you simply want out of emotion, and not from any actual detterrent effect?

Yes, like the global warming scam, they do not want to listen to the actual facts. They cling to the lies and perpetuate the lies.

A perfect description of Liberalism.

Global warming denial - a perfect definition of the ignorant Trumpettes. You voted for Donald Fucking Trump. You can't get dumber than that.

Solar activity drives heating and cooling on the planet.....we are entering a Maunder Minimum....which means more cooling...

 

[2aguy]

You people need to calm the fuck down.

Nobody wants your damn guns.

Then why do they carry signs saying so?

A see people carry all kinds of signs at Trump rallies.

The Democrat party nor most of its members are not talking about taking away your precious guns.

Except for their leadership, their Presidential candidate and their democrat media and hollywood personalities...you mean except for all of those guys...right?

 

[2aguy]

Do not worry though folks. The liars that lie about everything claim they do not want to ban all guns.

Like I said, the liars who lie about everything and defend their lying socialist scum sucking pig democrats claim they do not want to repeal the 2nd amendment.

Uhh, sure some want to ban guns and some want to repeal the 2nd, also some want to keep the 2nd Amendment and institute smart regulations. Can you admit that those all exist on the Left?

What is your stance, and what would your stance accomplish?

I own guns and am supportive of law abiding citizens rights to own firearms. I’m fine with placing strong regulations on weapons or accessories that make guns more capable of mass casualties, like autos, bump stocks, and LCMs. I’m also fine with a registration, quick universal background check process, beefing up a restriction database and a waiting period to reduce impulse buys

None of the things you want will stop criminals or mass shooters.....

Do you understand that there is no research that supports anything you suggested? That what you want you simply want out of emotion, and not from any actual detterrent effect?

Well, well, well. Mr gun expert has juatstated that taking aAR-15 type rifle into a school does no more damage than a single shot 22.

And you wonder why you are laughed at.

Moron....in Britain, a land where there banned and confiscated guns....after the ban a guy in Cumbria killed 12 people with a .22 bolt action rifle.......

The issue is the democrat gun free zone where the killer can kill without being stopped...that is what you want...

The math is so simple even someone like you can understand it,


Parkland.... no one with a gun to stop shooter.... 17 dead... AR-15 rifle

Draw Mohammed cartoon festival, 2 attackers with AK-47... one guy with a pistol.... 0 dead

Maryland shooting, one armed guard.... 1 dead.

The most dangerous weapon is a rental van.....a rental van in Nice, France murdered 86 people....more than any killed in a mass shooting with an AR-15 rifle....

The waffle house shooting with an AR-15 rifle... 4 dead....4 injured.

Toronto van attack..... 10 dead, 15 injured...

New York van attack... 8 dead, 11 injured....

Cars and trucks are deadlier than AR-15 civilian rifles.....

 

[2aguy]

Do not worry though folks. The liars that lie about everything claim they do not want to ban all guns.

Like I said, the liars who lie about everything and defend their lying socialist scum sucking pig democrats claim they do not want to repeal the 2nd amendment.

Uhh, sure some want to ban guns and some want to repeal the 2nd, also some want to keep the 2nd Amendment and institute smart regulations. Can you admit that those all exist on the Left?

What is your stance, and what would your stance accomplish?

I own guns and am supportive of law abiding citizens rights to own firearms. I’m fine with placing strong regulations on weapons or accessories that make guns more capable of mass casualties, like autos, bump stocks, and LCMs. I’m also fine with a registration, quick universal background check process, beefing up a restriction database and a waiting period to reduce impulse buys

None of the things you want will stop criminals or mass shooters.....

Do you understand that there is no research that supports anything you suggested? That what you want you simply want out of emotion, and not from any actual detterrent effect?

Well, well, well. Mr gun expert has juatstated that taking aAR-15 type rifle into a school does no more damage than a single shot 22.

And you wonder why you are laughed at.

Parkland school shooting 17 dead because it was a democrat gun free zone...


Virginia Tech school shooting two hand guns 32 murdered...

 

[2aguy]

What is your stance, and what would your stance accomplish?

I own guns and am supportive of law abiding citizens rights to own firearms. I’m fine with placing strong regulations on weapons or accessories that make guns more capable of mass casualties, like autos, bump stocks, and LCMs. I’m also fine with a registration, quick universal background check process, beefing up a restriction database and a waiting period to reduce impulse buys

And this accomplished what?

And what accomplished what? You asked what I support, I just told you.

A bit of a typo. What would passing those accomplish?

Most are already in place, like the regulations on Autos and the fact you can’t just legally buy them on the street or at the local sporting goods store. I believe we are safer because of that. Same goes for the others. Regulations either make the weapons safer or less accessible to those who shouldn’t own them. It’s not a hard concept to understand. I believe we have had this discussion before

Apparently, it is a hard concept for you, since nothing you suggested actually works. Criminals who do the majority of the gun murders in 2016.... 11,004, are not stopped by anything you suggested....

Mass shooters, are not stopped by anything you suggested......

Nothing you want does anything.

We have the answers, but because they don't include banning and confiscating guns, you don't want the answers.

Lock up violent gun criminals for 30 years, as Japan does.

Put armed guards in schools or allow trained and armed staff in schools and get rid of democrat gun free school zones..

That is how you actually make a difference, not by taking guns away from law abiding people...

We have experience, we know how this works...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...



--------
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.