Best argument against gun control. Nothing else needs to be said.

[Theowl32]

What is your stance, and what would your stance accomplish?

I own guns and am supportive of law abiding citizens rights to own firearms. I’m fine with placing strong regulations on weapons or accessories that make guns more capable of mass casualties, like autos, bump stocks, and LCMs. I’m also fine with a registration, quick universal background check process, beefing up a restriction database and a waiting period to reduce impulse buys

And this accomplished what?

None of the thing slade wants does anything to stop criminals or mass shooters...not a single thing. What it does do is make it incrementally more difficult, and incrementally more legally perilous for law abiding people to own and carry guns, as not doing the things he wants will incur stiff penalties on the law abiding, while criminals do whatever they want.

And nothing he suggested will work, or is needed...we have all the laws we need right now, the problem is that the democrat party keeps letting violent gun criminals out of jail........fix that, and our already declining gun violence will go even lower...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...



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-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Do you believe that the regulations we have on automobiles have made the roads safer and decreased car deaths? Things like drivers licenses, airbags, seat belts and speed limits?

Using your logic, then not nearly enough car regulations are in place.

I pointed out earlier how your proposed solutions would save no lifes, or actually increase deaths. I also posted earlier that, if the goal is to eliminate as many deaths as possible, a "common sense car regulation" would be to simply eliminate any car capable of exceeding 45 mph.

My regulation still allows you to own and drive a car, just limit it's "potential" killing power.

Of course my "common sense car regulation" has proven data to back it up.

Don't worry though, no ones advocating taking your car.

Now ask if their goal was to bring down America, destroy its constitution, usher in the new world order, disarm Americans, what would be the best way to do that?

 

[2aguy]

Uhh, sure some want to ban guns and some want to repeal the 2nd, also some want to keep the 2nd Amendment and institute smart regulations. Can you admit that those all exist on the Left?

What is your stance, and what would your stance accomplish?

I own guns and am supportive of law abiding citizens rights to own firearms. I’m fine with placing strong regulations on weapons or accessories that make guns more capable of mass casualties, like autos, bump stocks, and LCMs. I’m also fine with a registration, quick universal background check process, beefing up a restriction database and a waiting period to reduce impulse buys

And this accomplished what?

None of the thing slade wants does anything to stop criminals or mass shooters...not a single thing. What it does do is make it incrementally more difficult, and incrementally more legally perilous for law abiding people to own and carry guns, as not doing the things he wants will incur stiff penalties on the law abiding, while criminals do whatever they want.

And nothing he suggested will work, or is needed...we have all the laws we need right now, the problem is that the democrat party keeps letting violent gun criminals out of jail........fix that, and our already declining gun violence will go even lower...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...



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-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Do you believe that the regulations we have on automobiles have made the roads safer and decreased car deaths? Things like drivers licenses, airbags, seat belts and speed limits?

For the user...yes. But we also have safety regulations on guns already. And since the 1990s accidental gun deaths have gone down, not up.

Driving a car is not the same as a criminal using a gun to commit a crime....you can't compare that action. The driver of crime in this country are people who already can't buy, own or carry a gun legally. We have those laws on the books, and we can arrest anyone breaking those laws.

What you really need to look at is what happens to a repeat gun criminal once they are arrested. They get out of jail in less than 3 years...and then go on to commit more gun crime with illegal guns.

You want to focus on law abiding gun owners...they are not causing gun crime. You need to focus on keeping violent gun criminals in jail....that is how Japan keeps their organized criminals from using guns....

You also need to end gun free school zones......

Do you understand that mass shooters state they choose their targets based on their gun free zone status? Do you understand that? They tell us this, they leave it in their notes...they are telling us how to stop them buy you guys aren't listening because you want to ban guns ....

 

[Contumacious]

Do not worry though folks. The liars that lie about everything claim they do not want to ban all guns.

Like I said, the liars who lie about everything and defend their lying socialist scum sucking pig democrats claim they do not want to repeal the 2nd amendment.

MR. CHIEF JUSTICE WAITE delivered the opinion of the court.


The right there specified is that of 'bearing arms for a lawful purpose.' This is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence.

United States Supreme Court
U S v. CRUIKSHANK, (1875)

So gun grabbers , our right to bear arms is a NATURAL RIGHT, UNALIENABLE, EXTRA CONSTITUTIONAL - does NOT depend on the US Constitution for its existence. Put that in your collective pipe and smoke it.



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[2aguy]

Do not worry though folks. The liars that lie about everything claim they do not want to ban all guns.

Like I said, the liars who lie about everything and defend their lying socialist scum sucking pig democrats claim they do not want to repeal the 2nd amendment.

MR. CHIEF JUSTICE WAITE delivered the opinion of the court.


The right there specified is that of 'bearing arms for a lawful purpose.' This is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence.

United States Supreme Court
U S v. CRUIKSHANK, (1875)

So gun grabbers , our right to bear arms is a NATURAL RIGHT, UNALIENABLE, EXTRA CONSTITUTIONAL - does NOT depend on the US Constitution for its existence. Put that in your collective pipe and smoke it.



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And to pile on.....

D.C. v Heller

Caetano v Massachusetts

Miller v United States

the dissent in Friedman v Highland Park

McDonald v City of Chicago

You know, after a while, if the left doesn't get the message that our Right to own and carry a gun is inalienable.... you would have to think they are fucking morons.....

 

[Rustic]

Like I said, the liars who lie about everything and defend their lying socialist scum sucking pig democrats claim they do not want to repeal the 2nd amendment.

actually, the second should be repealed because it's lost any of it's original meaning. It's original meaning was about Militias, but today we don't have militias, we have a professional standing army and professional police forces.

It was never about 'gun ownership", which was plain old rare in colonial times.

The thing was, the whole concept of "I gets to own me a semi-automatic rifle because Second Amendment" would have been considered silly 50 years ago. this was back when the NRA and Republicans saw the need for common sense gun control.

Silly Darkies, Rights are for White People


Now a funny thing happened. Hunting went from being a mainstream sport to kind of the sport of inbred rednecks, and the gun manufacturers needed a way to increase revenues. So they started marketing guns to guys like the mutants who get on here every day and talk about that personal stockpile they have to fights the government.

Much like the alcohol industry markets to the drunk the gun industry markets to the gun fetishist... which would be harmless, if we didn't have gun fetishists shooting up schools, theaters, their workplace, etc.

Funny you should believe that, since you have no understanding of personal rights.
The Second Amendment is there to keep the federal government in check, and our military folk are on board. That is why they vote conservative consistently. So take your collective and shove it up your ass…

 

[Rustic]

No, just the opposite happens. A police state happens when the government disarms the law abiding populace. That's a police state! Police are government, and that is the only people they want armed. Oh, but the criminals will be armed also.

Um.. okay.

Most industrialized democracies either ban guns or limit who can own them, and they have less of a police presence than we do. They also have less crime and less violence, and lock up a small fraction of the number of people we do.

Irrelevant
Other countries have no Second Amendment, therefore have no right to firearms…

 

[Rustic]

Do not worry though folks. The liars that lie about everything claim they do not want to ban all guns.

Like I said, the liars who lie about everything and defend their lying socialist scum sucking pig democrats claim they do not want to repeal the 2nd amendment.

Wow, nothing like a Trumpette complaining about liars.

Ban the assault type rifles.

More requirements to conceal carry.

Now explain how that is banning all guns.

Because your argument is one sided, all you want is your ideas enforced...
Fuck that

 

[Rustic]

Wrong.....they all now have increasing violent crime including gun crime, their welfare states have destroyed their families and they are importing violent immigrants who now control the drug trade in those countries....

Yeah, guy... those countries have nowhere near the crime rates we have... i know i hate keep having to break that to you.

They can keep their socialism to themselves, we want no part of it over here…

 

[Rustic]

Uhh, sure some want to ban guns and some want to repeal the 2nd, also some want to keep the 2nd Amendment and institute smart regulations. Can you admit that those all exist on the Left?

What is your stance, and what would your stance accomplish?

I own guns and am supportive of law abiding citizens rights to own firearms. I’m fine with placing strong regulations on weapons or accessories that make guns more capable of mass casualties, like autos, bump stocks, and LCMs. I’m also fine with a registration, quick universal background check process, beefing up a restriction database and a waiting period to reduce impulse buys

None of the things you want will stop criminals or mass shooters.....

Do you understand that there is no research that supports anything you suggested? That what you want you simply want out of emotion, and not from any actual detterrent effect?

Yes, like the global warming scam, they do not want to listen to the actual facts. They cling to the lies and perpetuate the lies.

That explains your really stupid post.

You are a global warming denier & we all know those people are dumber than shit.

Lol
Isn’t Florida supposed to be underwater by now according to the Chief climate scientist… al gore

 

[Rustic]

The Australian model is forced confiscation, with a monetary compensation that THE GOVERNMENT DETERMINES. You don't have a choice in the matter if you want to remain legal. It isn't a "buy back" because the government didn't give them to you, nor sell them to you.

True, The government is never here to help, They are here to dominate and control…

 

[Rustic]

I own guns and am supportive of law abiding citizens rights to own firearms. I’m fine with placing strong regulations on weapons or accessories that make guns more capable of mass casualties, like autos, bump stocks, and LCMs. I’m also fine with a registration, quick universal background check process, beefing up a restriction database and a waiting period to reduce impulse buys

None of the things you want will stop criminals or mass shooters.....

Do you understand that there is no research that supports anything you suggested? That what you want you simply want out of emotion, and not from any actual detterrent effect?

Yes, like the global warming scam, they do not want to listen to the actual facts. They cling to the lies and perpetuate the lies.

That explains your really stupid post.

You are a global warming denier & we all know those people are dumber than shit.

So you know how the global climate works? Wow, you’re the only one. You should educate us

Educated an ignorant fool is difficult.

I believe the vast majority of climatologists.

We know this:

More CO2 in the atmosphere => higher greenhouse gas effects => warmer temperatures

Then how about you see when the hottest years have occurred since the 1880s.

What facts do you have?

 

[Rustic]

What is your stance, and what would your stance accomplish?

I own guns and am supportive of law abiding citizens rights to own firearms. I’m fine with placing strong regulations on weapons or accessories that make guns more capable of mass casualties, like autos, bump stocks, and LCMs. I’m also fine with a registration, quick universal background check process, beefing up a restriction database and a waiting period to reduce impulse buys

None of the things you want will stop criminals or mass shooters.....

Do you understand that there is no research that supports anything you suggested? That what you want you simply want out of emotion, and not from any actual detterrent effect?

Yes, like the global warming scam, they do not want to listen to the actual facts. They cling to the lies and perpetuate the lies.

A perfect description of Liberalism.

Global warming denial - a perfect definition of the ignorant Trumpettes. You voted for Donald Fucking Trump. You can't get dumber than that.

 

[2aguy]

No, just the opposite happens. A police state happens when the government disarms the law abiding populace. That's a police state! Police are government, and that is the only people they want armed. Oh, but the criminals will be armed also.

Um.. okay.

Most industrialized democracies either ban guns or limit who can own them, and they have less of a police presence than we do. They also have less crime and less violence, and lock up a small fraction of the number of people we do.

Irrelevant
Other countries have no Second Amendment, therefore have no right to firearms…

Actually, as human beings they have a Right to gun ownership.....their governments have taken that Right away from them.

 

[Rustic]

Then why do they now call it Climate Change instead of Warming?

Global Warming is a form of Climate Change.

And so is a fart in the breeze… Go sell crazy somewhere else

 

[Rustic]

Do not worry though folks. The liars that lie about everything claim they do not want to ban all guns.

Like I said, the liars who lie about everything and defend their lying socialist scum sucking pig democrats claim they do not want to repeal the 2nd amendment.

Uhh, sure some want to ban guns and some want to repeal the 2nd, also some want to keep the 2nd Amendment and institute smart regulations. Can you admit that those all exist on the Left?

What is your stance, and what would your stance accomplish?

I own guns and am supportive of law abiding citizens rights to own firearms. I’m fine with placing strong regulations on weapons or accessories that make guns more capable of mass casualties, like autos, bump stocks, and LCMs. I’m also fine with a registration, quick universal background check process, beefing up a restriction database and a waiting period to reduce impulse buys

None of the things you want will stop criminals or mass shooters.....

Do you understand that there is no research that supports anything you suggested? That what you want you simply want out of emotion, and not from any actual detterrent effect?

Well, well, well. Mr gun expert has juatstated that taking aAR-15 type rifle into a school does no more damage than a single shot 22.

And you wonder why you are laughed at.

Lol
A bomb would be much more effective, take away one thing something else will be used. Your appeasement nature makes you look like a pussy… Terrorists and crazy people can see that a mile away...

 

[Rustic]

Then why do they now call it Climate Change instead of Warming?

Global Warming is a form of Climate Change.

Now you're just being dishonest like most liberals. Then if it is really warming, why not just keep calling it warming? They now call it climate change because the evidence has been that it is cooling, not warming. So your HOAX has been outed as a HOAX.

When it was called Global Warming, your ilk has a fit every time is was cold outside. They thought that it would be OK because it would just be warmer out. Climate change tells you that it affects way more than temperature.

But hey, I see you are denier & hence dumber than shit.

When were the ten hottest years since 1880?

The biggest indicator of temperature is the sun… Dumbass
I suppose you think corporations control that too… LOL

 

[Rustic]

No, just the opposite happens. A police state happens when the government disarms the law abiding populace. That's a police state! Police are government, and that is the only people they want armed. Oh, but the criminals will be armed also.

Um.. okay.

Most industrialized democracies either ban guns or limit who can own them, and they have less of a police presence than we do. They also have less crime and less violence, and lock up a small fraction of the number of people we do.

Irrelevant
Other countries have no Second Amendment, therefore have no right to firearms…

Actually, as human beings they have a Right to gun ownership.....their governments have taken that Right away from them.

True, There can be no sort of freedom in a socialist environment…

 

[Rustic]

What is your stance, and what would your stance accomplish?

I own guns and am supportive of law abiding citizens rights to own firearms. I’m fine with placing strong regulations on weapons or accessories that make guns more capable of mass casualties, like autos, bump stocks, and LCMs. I’m also fine with a registration, quick universal background check process, beefing up a restriction database and a waiting period to reduce impulse buys

And this accomplished what?

And what accomplished what? You asked what I support, I just told you.

A bit of a typo. What would passing those accomplish?

Most are already in place, like the regulations on Autos and the fact you can’t just legally buy them on the street or at the local sporting goods store. I believe we are safer because of that. Same goes for the others. Regulations either make the weapons safer or less accessible to those who shouldn’t own them. It’s not a hard concept to understand. I believe we have had this discussion before

Vehicle ownership is a privilege, not an right, firearm ownership is an absolute right till someone fucks it up for themselves…
You need to be better educated…

 

[Rustic]

Uhh, sure some want to ban guns and some want to repeal the 2nd, also some want to keep the 2nd Amendment and institute smart regulations. Can you admit that those all exist on the Left?

What is your stance, and what would your stance accomplish?

I own guns and am supportive of law abiding citizens rights to own firearms. I’m fine with placing strong regulations on weapons or accessories that make guns more capable of mass casualties, like autos, bump stocks, and LCMs. I’m also fine with a registration, quick universal background check process, beefing up a restriction database and a waiting period to reduce impulse buys

And this accomplished what?

None of the thing slade wants does anything to stop criminals or mass shooters...not a single thing. What it does do is make it incrementally more difficult, and incrementally more legally perilous for law abiding people to own and carry guns, as not doing the things he wants will incur stiff penalties on the law abiding, while criminals do whatever they want.

And nothing he suggested will work, or is needed...we have all the laws we need right now, the problem is that the democrat party keeps letting violent gun criminals out of jail........fix that, and our already declining gun violence will go even lower...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...



--------
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Do you believe that the regulations we have on automobiles have made the roads safer and decreased car deaths? Things like drivers licenses, airbags, seat belts and speed limits?

That is because vehicle ownership is a privilege not a right… Dumbass - Apples to oranges...

 

[Pop23]

I own guns and am supportive of law abiding citizens rights to own firearms. I’m fine with placing strong regulations on weapons or accessories that make guns more capable of mass casualties, like autos, bump stocks, and LCMs. I’m also fine with a registration, quick universal background check process, beefing up a restriction database and a waiting period to reduce impulse buys

And this accomplished what?

None of the thing slade wants does anything to stop criminals or mass shooters...not a single thing. What it does do is make it incrementally more difficult, and incrementally more legally perilous for law abiding people to own and carry guns, as not doing the things he wants will incur stiff penalties on the law abiding, while criminals do whatever they want.

And nothing he suggested will work, or is needed...we have all the laws we need right now, the problem is that the democrat party keeps letting violent gun criminals out of jail........fix that, and our already declining gun violence will go even lower...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...



--------
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Do you believe that the regulations we have on automobiles have made the roads safer and decreased car deaths? Things like drivers licenses, airbags, seat belts and speed limits?

Using your logic, then not nearly enough car regulations are in place.

I pointed out earlier how your proposed solutions would save no lifes, or actually increase deaths. I also posted earlier that, if the goal is to eliminate as many deaths as possible, a "common sense car regulation" would be to simply eliminate any car capable of exceeding 45 mph.

My regulation still allows you to own and drive a car, just limit it's "potential" killing power.

Of course my "common sense car regulation" has proven data to back it up.

Don't worry though, no ones advocating taking your car.

Now ask if their goal was to bring down America, destroy its constitution, usher in the new world order, disarm Americans, what would be the best way to do that?

For many that is the goal. Others are in it because they are sheep that think it makes them look cool.