Bigger Failure, Bush or Trump

[rightwinger]

GWB, one of the worst presidents in US history. Bush inherited a balanced budget with a projected stimulus and left with a total financial meltdown and a massive gov deficit shortfall. Add in 2 failed wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the failed Katrina respionse and you have a typical GOP presidency... total failure.


Trump, one of the most insane presidents in US history. The Trump Covid "plan"/response will go down as the biggest blunder in the entire history of America... What a feat. On top of that Trump has bankrupted the US government leaving us with crippling deficits and an economy reliant on multi-trillion dollar aid packages.

Which president is the bigger failure, it is a very hard question to answer. I am leaning Bush, but they are both so bad...

Trump’s Failed Coronavirus Response Part 2

In February he knew COVID-19 was dangerous, but he intentionally downplayed it. In March he didn’t want to be held responsible for it. He told governors they were responsible for getting ventilators...

robertreich.org

Although neither of these men were good presidents there is major difference between them.
GWB had a strong sense of morality and empathy but lacked the management and diplomatic skills needed so he trusted others who simple provided bad advice which he followed. Trump on the other hand, is totally lacking in empathy or morality and unlike GWB, trusted no one. He ran his administration exactly the way he ran the the Trump Organization making decisions that he believed served his own interests, not that of the nation. In short, he's sociopath and conman.

I wonder how different the Bush administration would have been w/out Cheney.

Just as bad...the Bushes are elitists who don't give a shit about anybody but themselves.

Trump isn't an elitist? What rock you living under?

Just because he was the first person in the US since prior to Reagan to put his ass on the line for US citizens as opposed to India and China?
Stick your Liberal crap where it belongs.

He failed miserably. His tariffs hurt our manufacturing, and we still buy a whole lot from China.

His tariffs hurt our manufacturing
We hardly had any manufacturing thanks to GW.
GW sent it away and Obama ignored the issue.

The Capitalists who we bent over backwards to slash their taxes sent the jobs overseas.
They ain’t coming back

That was GW who you now love.

What we needed to do was invest in alternative energy, modern infrastructure, advanced communications

Republicans wanted to invest in coal and oil

 

[Indeependent]

Bush was a conservative ? Which you didn't like. Can you please tell me how a conservative (a true conservative) takes a near zero deficit and explodes it into a massive deficit

Ron Reagan is a Conservative icon.
He tripled the deficit.

Point is.....Conservatives only care about deficits when Democrats are running them

Republicans do 3 things. Cut taxes mostly for the rich, increase military spending, and drastically increase debt. Reagan did it, Bush did it, Trump did it....

1. Please don't make the mistake of conflating conservatives with republicans.
2. You are correct about deficits. Obama also did it. Clinton didn't do it. He had a very strong conservative congress working with him.
3. It seems that these days, you can only cut taxes on the rich because it is meaningless to cut taxes for the lower half of the country. Which isn't to say that I agree with cutting taxes at all. American needs to decide how it want's to pay it's debt. The longer we wait, the more it will hurt.
4. Increasing military spending is bad ? I honestly don't know the context of all this as I don't follow it much.

Who is a conservative? We have democrats and trumpers. I don't think we have conservatives.
Obama was handed a mess from Bush. After the mess was fixed deficits generally decreased. Trump received a country in good order and deficits increased every year.
We shouldn't be cutting taxes when we are deeply in debt. Cutting taxes for the wealthy never delivers the promised gains. Last year GDP growth decreased.
When you are trillions in debt and spend more than the next 10 countries combined military spending is bad.

trumpers
What's a Trumper?
Any meat behind the word?

Trumpers are those who support his failed policy like you.

What failed policy?
Be specific.

I have answered this for you many times. Like tariffs that hurt our manufacturing. Like tax cuts that promised 4-6% gdp growth and delivered less than 3% with a big decrease last year. This also led to a trillion dollar deficit last year. Failed pandemic policy which lead to us having the most deaths in the world. Failure to pass healthcare.... The failures are many.

It's cool that you keep blaming GW's policies on Trump.
How stupid are you?
Trump's tax cut for small and Mid-Sized business caused massive employment.

 

[Indeependent]

GWB, one of the worst presidents in US history. Bush inherited a balanced budget with a projected stimulus and left with a total financial meltdown and a massive gov deficit shortfall. Add in 2 failed wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the failed Katrina respionse and you have a typical GOP presidency... total failure.


Trump, one of the most insane presidents in US history. The Trump Covid "plan"/response will go down as the biggest blunder in the entire history of America... What a feat. On top of that Trump has bankrupted the US government leaving us with crippling deficits and an economy reliant on multi-trillion dollar aid packages.

Which president is the bigger failure, it is a very hard question to answer. I am leaning Bush, but they are both so bad...

Trump’s Failed Coronavirus Response Part 2

In February he knew COVID-19 was dangerous, but he intentionally downplayed it. In March he didn’t want to be held responsible for it. He told governors they were responsible for getting ventilators...

robertreich.org

Although neither of these men were good presidents there is major difference between them.
GWB had a strong sense of morality and empathy but lacked the management and diplomatic skills needed so he trusted others who simple provided bad advice which he followed. Trump on the other hand, is totally lacking in empathy or morality and unlike GWB, trusted no one. He ran his administration exactly the way he ran the the Trump Organization making decisions that he believed served his own interests, not that of the nation. In short, he's sociopath and conman.

I wonder how different the Bush administration would have been w/out Cheney.

Just as bad...the Bushes are elitists who don't give a shit about anybody but themselves.

Trump isn't an elitist? What rock you living under?

Just because he was the first person in the US since prior to Reagan to put his ass on the line for US citizens as opposed to India and China?
Stick your Liberal crap where it belongs.

He failed miserably. His tariffs hurt our manufacturing, and we still buy a whole lot from China.

His tariffs hurt our manufacturing
We hardly had any manufacturing thanks to GW.
GW sent it away and Obama ignored the issue.

The Capitalists who we bent over backwards to slash their taxes sent the jobs overseas.
They ain’t coming back

That was GW who you now love.

What we needed to do was invest in alternative energy, modern infrastructure, advanced communications

Republicans wanted to invest in coal and oil

China is currently investing in alternative energy...they went from coal to electricity and gas...like the US,
modern infrastructure Do yourself a favor and get the fuck out of your house once in a while.
advanced communications You must have recall problems because even 5 years ago we were nowhere near where we are today.

All of the above are being done due to the private market.

 

[miketx]

GWB, one of the worst presidents in US history. Bush inherited a balanced budget with a projected stimulus and left with a total financial meltdown and a massive gov deficit shortfall. Add in 2 failed wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the failed Katrina respionse and you have a typical GOP presidency... total failure.


Trump, one of the most insane presidents in US history. The Trump Covid "plan"/response will go down as the biggest blunder in the entire history of America... What a feat. On top of that Trump has bankrupted the US government leaving us with crippling deficits and an economy reliant on multi-trillion dollar aid packages.

Which president is the bigger failure, it is a very hard question to answer. I am leaning Bush, but they are both so bad...

Trump’s Failed Coronavirus Response Part 2

In February he knew COVID-19 was dangerous, but he intentionally downplayed it. In March he didn’t want to be held responsible for it. He told governors they were responsible for getting ventilators...

robertreich.org

Obama.

 

[Brain357]

Bush was a conservative ? Which you didn't like. Can you please tell me how a conservative (a true conservative) takes a near zero deficit and explodes it into a massive deficit

Ron Reagan is a Conservative icon.
He tripled the deficit.

Point is.....Conservatives only care about deficits when Democrats are running them

Republicans do 3 things. Cut taxes mostly for the rich, increase military spending, and drastically increase debt. Reagan did it, Bush did it, Trump did it....

1. Please don't make the mistake of conflating conservatives with republicans.
2. You are correct about deficits. Obama also did it. Clinton didn't do it. He had a very strong conservative congress working with him.
3. It seems that these days, you can only cut taxes on the rich because it is meaningless to cut taxes for the lower half of the country. Which isn't to say that I agree with cutting taxes at all. American needs to decide how it want's to pay it's debt. The longer we wait, the more it will hurt.
4. Increasing military spending is bad ? I honestly don't know the context of all this as I don't follow it much.

Who is a conservative? We have democrats and trumpers. I don't think we have conservatives.
Obama was handed a mess from Bush. After the mess was fixed deficits generally decreased. Trump received a country in good order and deficits increased every year.
We shouldn't be cutting taxes when we are deeply in debt. Cutting taxes for the wealthy never delivers the promised gains. Last year GDP growth decreased.
When you are trillions in debt and spend more than the next 10 countries combined military spending is bad.

trumpers
What's a Trumper?
Any meat behind the word?

Trumpers are those who support his failed policy like you.

What failed policy?
Be specific.

I have answered this for you many times. Like tariffs that hurt our manufacturing. Like tax cuts that promised 4-6% gdp growth and delivered less than 3% with a big decrease last year. This also led to a trillion dollar deficit last year. Failed pandemic policy which lead to us having the most deaths in the world. Failure to pass healthcare.... The failures are many.

It's cool that you keep blaming GW's policies on Trump.
How stupid are you?
Trump's tax cut for small and Mid-Sized business caused massive employment.

That was all trump policy moron. And no he didn't cause massive employment. The unemployment rate was declining for 6 years before trump was president and continued that trend. We could have had smaller deficits and the same employment.

 

[Indeependent]

Bush was a conservative ? Which you didn't like. Can you please tell me how a conservative (a true conservative) takes a near zero deficit and explodes it into a massive deficit

Ron Reagan is a Conservative icon.
He tripled the deficit.

Point is.....Conservatives only care about deficits when Democrats are running them

Republicans do 3 things. Cut taxes mostly for the rich, increase military spending, and drastically increase debt. Reagan did it, Bush did it, Trump did it....

1. Please don't make the mistake of conflating conservatives with republicans.
2. You are correct about deficits. Obama also did it. Clinton didn't do it. He had a very strong conservative congress working with him.
3. It seems that these days, you can only cut taxes on the rich because it is meaningless to cut taxes for the lower half of the country. Which isn't to say that I agree with cutting taxes at all. American needs to decide how it want's to pay it's debt. The longer we wait, the more it will hurt.
4. Increasing military spending is bad ? I honestly don't know the context of all this as I don't follow it much.

Who is a conservative? We have democrats and trumpers. I don't think we have conservatives.
Obama was handed a mess from Bush. After the mess was fixed deficits generally decreased. Trump received a country in good order and deficits increased every year.
We shouldn't be cutting taxes when we are deeply in debt. Cutting taxes for the wealthy never delivers the promised gains. Last year GDP growth decreased.
When you are trillions in debt and spend more than the next 10 countries combined military spending is bad.

trumpers
What's a Trumper?
Any meat behind the word?

Trumpers are those who support his failed policy like you.

What failed policy?
Be specific.

I have answered this for you many times. Like tariffs that hurt our manufacturing. Like tax cuts that promised 4-6% gdp growth and delivered less than 3% with a big decrease last year. This also led to a trillion dollar deficit last year. Failed pandemic policy which lead to us having the most deaths in the world. Failure to pass healthcare.... The failures are many.

It's cool that you keep blaming GW's policies on Trump.
How stupid are you?
Trump's tax cut for small and Mid-Sized business caused massive employment.

That was all trump policy moron. And no he didn't cause massive employment. The unemployment rate was declining for 6 years before trump was president and continued that trend. We could have had smaller deficits and the same employment.

Do yourself a favor and meet real people.
You're so fucking stupid I can no longer read your bullshit.
I will not put you on Ignore but I will Ignore you until you see a psychiatrist,

 

[MadChemist]

I think we all know that there isn't a single substantive post on this entire thread.

I’ve read your posts
You bring nothing

At least the posters on this thread are addressing the topic.
You seem to be a legend in your own mind. Hardy worth responding to.

More projection on your part.

I get that you don't like being told you are contributing to mass stupidity.

And feel free to not respond. It's your right.

I like that you respond. It only further proves my point.

BTW: There is no topic. It is a manufactured fallacy.

Hey Lightweight....
When are you going to bring some of your profound insight?

Like I said.....You got nothin!

Keep posting RW.

It's only adding cement to my argument.

BTW: I am still awaiting the well reasoned post in this thread. The one I say does not exist...which truly seems to upset you.

Please make one and point to it.

If you can........

Until then....this thread is nothing.

 

[Brain357]

Bush was a conservative ? Which you didn't like. Can you please tell me how a conservative (a true conservative) takes a near zero deficit and explodes it into a massive deficit

Ron Reagan is a Conservative icon.
He tripled the deficit.

Point is.....Conservatives only care about deficits when Democrats are running them

Republicans do 3 things. Cut taxes mostly for the rich, increase military spending, and drastically increase debt. Reagan did it, Bush did it, Trump did it....

1. Please don't make the mistake of conflating conservatives with republicans.
2. You are correct about deficits. Obama also did it. Clinton didn't do it. He had a very strong conservative congress working with him.
3. It seems that these days, you can only cut taxes on the rich because it is meaningless to cut taxes for the lower half of the country. Which isn't to say that I agree with cutting taxes at all. American needs to decide how it want's to pay it's debt. The longer we wait, the more it will hurt.
4. Increasing military spending is bad ? I honestly don't know the context of all this as I don't follow it much.

Who is a conservative? We have democrats and trumpers. I don't think we have conservatives.
Obama was handed a mess from Bush. After the mess was fixed deficits generally decreased. Trump received a country in good order and deficits increased every year.
We shouldn't be cutting taxes when we are deeply in debt. Cutting taxes for the wealthy never delivers the promised gains. Last year GDP growth decreased.
When you are trillions in debt and spend more than the next 10 countries combined military spending is bad.

trumpers
What's a Trumper?
Any meat behind the word?

Trumpers are those who support his failed policy like you.

What failed policy?
Be specific.

I have answered this for you many times. Like tariffs that hurt our manufacturing. Like tax cuts that promised 4-6% gdp growth and delivered less than 3% with a big decrease last year. This also led to a trillion dollar deficit last year. Failed pandemic policy which lead to us having the most deaths in the world. Failure to pass healthcare.... The failures are many.

It's cool that you keep blaming GW's policies on Trump.
How stupid are you?
Trump's tax cut for small and Mid-Sized business caused massive employment.

That was all trump policy moron. And no he didn't cause massive employment. The unemployment rate was declining for 6 years before trump was president and continued that trend. We could have had smaller deficits and the same employment.

Do yourself a favor and meet real people.
You're so fucking stupid I can no longer read your bullshit.
I will not put you on Ignore but I will Ignore you until you see a psychiatrist,

Thanks. Owning you is getting old. Your a typical trumper living in fantasy land. His policies were a giant failure.

 

[Brain357]

I think we all know that there isn't a single substantive post on this entire thread.

I’ve read your posts
You bring nothing

At least the posters on this thread are addressing the topic.
You seem to be a legend in your own mind. Hardy worth responding to.

More projection on your part.

I get that you don't like being told you are contributing to mass stupidity.

And feel free to not respond. It's your right.

I like that you respond. It only further proves my point.

BTW: There is no topic. It is a manufactured fallacy.

Hey Lightweight....
When are you going to bring some of your profound insight?

Like I said.....You got nothin!

Keep posting RW.

It's only adding cement to my argument.

BTW: I am still awaiting the well reasoned post in this thread. The one I say does not exist...which truly seems to upset you.

Please make one and point to it.

If you can........

Until then....this thread is nothing.

Pretty clear to me trump is worse.

 

[bripat9643]

What negative lasting effect did Carter have? And he embraced monatarism before Reagan, began cutting taxes. He issued clemency to vietnam protestors in Canada. Carter was ineffectual more often than not

You got a point there. Obama totally fucked up 20% of our economy. Nothing Carter did was permanent, except creating the DOE. Oh, but he did create the entire Jihadi movement by allowing the kooks to depose the Shah of Iran.

 

[MadChemist]

Bush was a conservative ? Which you didn't like. Can you please tell me how a conservative (a true conservative) takes a near zero deficit and explodes it into a massive deficit

Ron Reagan is a Conservative icon.
He tripled the deficit.

Point is.....Conservatives only care about deficits when Democrats are running them

Republicans do 3 things. Cut taxes mostly for the rich, increase military spending, and drastically increase debt. Reagan did it, Bush did it, Trump did it....

1. Please don't make the mistake of conflating conservatives with republicans.
2. You are correct about deficits. Obama also did it. Clinton didn't do it. He had a very strong conservative congress working with him.
3. It seems that these days, you can only cut taxes on the rich because it is meaningless to cut taxes for the lower half of the country. Which isn't to say that I agree with cutting taxes at all. American needs to decide how it want's to pay it's debt. The longer we wait, the more it will hurt.
4. Increasing military spending is bad ? I honestly don't know the context of all this as I don't follow it much.

Who is a conservative? We have democrats and trumpers. I don't think we have conservatives.
Obama was handed a mess from Bush. After the mess was fixed deficits generally decreased. Trump received a country in good order and deficits increased every year.
We shouldn't be cutting taxes when we are deeply in debt. Cutting taxes for the wealthy never delivers the promised gains. Last year GDP growth decreased.
When you are trillions in debt and spend more than the next 10 countries combined military spending is bad.

Conservatives as people who truly care about things like deficits exist.

Unfortunately, they seem somewhat drowned out by the other voices in the arena.

I was addressing your facts and my agreement with them.

However, rather than continue down that road, I'd like to return to the OP which is a fallacy laden question by the person doing the posting.

First, it asks a question like it is accepted that they were failures. They are not.

From my perspective, you have to have some kind of agreed upon criteria to make that judgement. You also have to have some form of context.

None of which is supplied by either side.

We can evaluate your arguments in a thread that discusses something like cutting taxes.

But to remain true to moderators wishes, the OP is what should be addressed.

I simply chose to address it by saying it is a fallacy. Nobody has proved Bush was a failure. Nobody has proved Trump was a failure. BTST: Nobody has proved Obama was a failure either.

 

[rightwinger]

I think we all know that there isn't a single substantive post on this entire thread.

I’ve read your posts
You bring nothing

At least the posters on this thread are addressing the topic.
You seem to be a legend in your own mind. Hardy worth responding to.

More projection on your part.

I get that you don't like being told you are contributing to mass stupidity.

And feel free to not respond. It's your right.

I like that you respond. It only further proves my point.

BTW: There is no topic. It is a manufactured fallacy.

Hey Lightweight....
When are you going to bring some of your profound insight?

Like I said.....You got nothin!

Keep posting RW.

It's only adding cement to my argument.

BTW: I am still awaiting the well reasoned post in this thread. The one I say does not exist...which truly seems to upset you.

Please make one and point to it.

If you can........

Until then....this thread is nothing.

Ever the intellectual lightweight

 

[MadChemist]

I think we all know that there isn't a single substantive post on this entire thread.

I’ve read your posts
You bring nothing

At least the posters on this thread are addressing the topic.
You seem to be a legend in your own mind. Hardy worth responding to.

More projection on your part.

I get that you don't like being told you are contributing to mass stupidity.

And feel free to not respond. It's your right.

I like that you respond. It only further proves my point.

BTW: There is no topic. It is a manufactured fallacy.

Hey Lightweight....
When are you going to bring some of your profound insight?

Like I said.....You got nothin!

Keep posting RW.

It's only adding cement to my argument.

BTW: I am still awaiting the well reasoned post in this thread. The one I say does not exist...which truly seems to upset you.

Please make one and point to it.

If you can........

Until then....this thread is nothing.

Pretty clear to me trump is worse.

Worse is a relative term.

The team that comes in second place usually still have a winning record.

Can you understand that I am not arguing with your claim ? I am saying your claim can't really be measured because I have no idea of what you are talking about.

 

[MadChemist]

I think we all know that there isn't a single substantive post on this entire thread.

I’ve read your posts
You bring nothing

At least the posters on this thread are addressing the topic.
You seem to be a legend in your own mind. Hardy worth responding to.

More projection on your part.

I get that you don't like being told you are contributing to mass stupidity.

And feel free to not respond. It's your right.

I like that you respond. It only further proves my point.

BTW: There is no topic. It is a manufactured fallacy.

Hey Lightweight....
When are you going to bring some of your profound insight?

Like I said.....You got nothin!

Keep posting RW.

It's only adding cement to my argument.

BTW: I am still awaiting the well reasoned post in this thread. The one I say does not exist...which truly seems to upset you.

Please make one and point to it.

If you can........

Until then....this thread is nothing.

Ever the intellectual lightweight

Another example of why these threads are such a huge waste of time.

And spare me the predictable questions: I'll post anywhere I want when I want and I'll say whatever I want.

 

[bripat9643]

GWB, one of the worst presidents in US history. Bush inherited a balanced budget with a projected stimulus and left with a total financial meltdown and a massive gov deficit shortfall. Add in 2 failed wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the failed Katrina respionse and you have a typical GOP presidency... total failure.


Trump, one of the most insane presidents in US history. The Trump Covid "plan"/response will go down as the biggest blunder in the entire history of America... What a feat. On top of that Trump has bankrupted the US government leaving us with crippling deficits and an economy reliant on multi-trillion dollar aid packages.

Which president is the bigger failure, it is a very hard question to answer. I am leaning Bush, but they are both so bad...

Trump’s Failed Coronavirus Response Part 2

In February he knew COVID-19 was dangerous, but he intentionally downplayed it. In March he didn’t want to be held responsible for it. He told governors they were responsible for getting ventilators...

robertreich.org

Although neither of these men were good presidents there is major difference between them.
GWB had a strong sense of morality and empathy but lacked the management and diplomatic skills needed so he trusted others who simple provided bad advice which he followed. Trump on the other hand, is totally lacking in empathy or morality and unlike GWB, trusted no one. He ran his administration exactly the way he ran the the Trump Organization making decisions that he believed served his own interests, not that of the nation. In short, he's sociopath and conman.

Trump had every reason not to trust anyone. Members of his administration were constantly stabbing him in the back. Your claims about totally lacking in empathy or morality are total horseshit, of course. Your claim about him making decisions that he believed served his own interests, not that of the nation is also total horseshit. The Dims showed they were willing to fuck the entire country so they could gain power, and that's what they did. In short, all the leading Dims are sociopaths and con artists.

You fell for it.

 

[bripat9643]

I think we all know that there isn't a single substantive post on this entire thread.

I’ve read your posts
You bring nothing

At least the posters on this thread are addressing the topic.
You seem to be a legend in your own mind. Hardy worth responding to.

More projection on your part.

I get that you don't like being told you are contributing to mass stupidity.

And feel free to not respond. It's your right.

I like that you respond. It only further proves my point.

BTW: There is no topic. It is a manufactured fallacy.

Hey Lightweight....
When are you going to bring some of your profound insight?

Like I said.....You got nothin!

Keep posting RW.

It's only adding cement to my argument.

BTW: I am still awaiting the well reasoned post in this thread. The one I say does not exist...which truly seems to upset you.

Please make one and point to it.

If you can........

Until then....this thread is nothing.

Ever the intellectual lightweight

Another example of why these threads are such a huge waste of time.

And spare me the predictable questions: I'll post anywhere I want when I want and I'll say whatever I want.

Yeah, even reading the posts of Rightwinger are a total waste of time. I always feel dumber after having done so.

 

[Brain357]

Bush was a conservative ? Which you didn't like. Can you please tell me how a conservative (a true conservative) takes a near zero deficit and explodes it into a massive deficit

Ron Reagan is a Conservative icon.
He tripled the deficit.

Point is.....Conservatives only care about deficits when Democrats are running them

Republicans do 3 things. Cut taxes mostly for the rich, increase military spending, and drastically increase debt. Reagan did it, Bush did it, Trump did it....

1. Please don't make the mistake of conflating conservatives with republicans.
2. You are correct about deficits. Obama also did it. Clinton didn't do it. He had a very strong conservative congress working with him.
3. It seems that these days, you can only cut taxes on the rich because it is meaningless to cut taxes for the lower half of the country. Which isn't to say that I agree with cutting taxes at all. American needs to decide how it want's to pay it's debt. The longer we wait, the more it will hurt.
4. Increasing military spending is bad ? I honestly don't know the context of all this as I don't follow it much.

Who is a conservative? We have democrats and trumpers. I don't think we have conservatives.
Obama was handed a mess from Bush. After the mess was fixed deficits generally decreased. Trump received a country in good order and deficits increased every year.
We shouldn't be cutting taxes when we are deeply in debt. Cutting taxes for the wealthy never delivers the promised gains. Last year GDP growth decreased.
When you are trillions in debt and spend more than the next 10 countries combined military spending is bad.

Conservatives as people who truly care about things like deficits exist.

Unfortunately, they seem somewhat drowned out by the other voices in the arena.

I was addressing your facts and my agreement with them.

However, rather than continue down that road, I'd like to return to the OP which is a fallacy laden question by the person doing the posting.

First, it asks a question like it is accepted that they were failures. They are not.

From my perspective, you have to have some kind of agreed upon criteria to make that judgement. You also have to have some form of context.

None of which is supplied by either side.

We can evaluate your arguments in a thread that discusses something like cutting taxes.

But to remain true to moderators wishes, the OP is what should be addressed.

I simply chose to address it by saying it is a fallacy. Nobody has proved Bush was a failure. Nobody has proved Trump was a failure. BTST: Nobody has proved Obama was a failure either.

Ok well trump is worse for all the reasons I have given and more. He's been a disaster. Bush was a disaster, but it wasn't obvious till he was gone. Trump did more damage in 4 years than Bush did in 8.

 

[Brain357]

GWB, one of the worst presidents in US history. Bush inherited a balanced budget with a projected stimulus and left with a total financial meltdown and a massive gov deficit shortfall. Add in 2 failed wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the failed Katrina respionse and you have a typical GOP presidency... total failure.


Trump, one of the most insane presidents in US history. The Trump Covid "plan"/response will go down as the biggest blunder in the entire history of America... What a feat. On top of that Trump has bankrupted the US government leaving us with crippling deficits and an economy reliant on multi-trillion dollar aid packages.

Which president is the bigger failure, it is a very hard question to answer. I am leaning Bush, but they are both so bad...

Trump’s Failed Coronavirus Response Part 2

In February he knew COVID-19 was dangerous, but he intentionally downplayed it. In March he didn’t want to be held responsible for it. He told governors they were responsible for getting ventilators...

robertreich.org

Although neither of these men were good presidents there is major difference between them.
GWB had a strong sense of morality and empathy but lacked the management and diplomatic skills needed so he trusted others who simple provided bad advice which he followed. Trump on the other hand, is totally lacking in empathy or morality and unlike GWB, trusted no one. He ran his administration exactly the way he ran the the Trump Organization making decisions that he believed served his own interests, not that of the nation. In short, he's sociopath and conman.

Trump had every reason not to trust anyone. Members of his administration were constantly stabbing him in the back. Your claims about totally lacking in empathy or morality are total horseshit, of course. Your claim about him making decisions that he believed served his own interests, not that of the nation is also total horseshit. The Dims showed they were willing to fuck the entire country so they could gain power, and that's what they did. In short, all the leading Dims are sociopaths and con artists.

You fell for it.

He's only going to hire the best. You believe the stupidest shit.

 

[Brain357]

I think we all know that there isn't a single substantive post on this entire thread.

I’ve read your posts
You bring nothing

At least the posters on this thread are addressing the topic.
You seem to be a legend in your own mind. Hardy worth responding to.

More projection on your part.

I get that you don't like being told you are contributing to mass stupidity.

And feel free to not respond. It's your right.

I like that you respond. It only further proves my point.

BTW: There is no topic. It is a manufactured fallacy.

Hey Lightweight....
When are you going to bring some of your profound insight?

Like I said.....You got nothin!

Keep posting RW.

It's only adding cement to my argument.

BTW: I am still awaiting the well reasoned post in this thread. The one I say does not exist...which truly seems to upset you.

Please make one and point to it.

If you can........

Until then....this thread is nothing.

Pretty clear to me trump is worse.

Worse is a relative term.

The team that comes in second place usually still have a winning record.

Can you understand that I am not arguing with your claim ? I am saying your claim can't really be measured because I have no idea of what you are talking about.

Then move on to another thread. Trump is the worst president of my lifetime and Bush the second worse.

 

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History may eventually forgive George W Bush but will not be kind to Donald John Trump

He will go down in history as the man least suited emotionally, morally and intellectually to be President

W and O were much worse. They mass murdered far more people than dumb Don.

How do you know when Trump goes out of his way to hide the number of people he has killed with drone strikes?

Trump revokes Obama rule on reporting drone strike deaths

The US will not have to publish how many civilians are killed in drone strikes outside of war zones.

www.bbc.com

Obama implements a policy of publishing the number of people killed in drone strikes and then Trump rescinds it.

Have you heard about Trump committing any drone strikes? Under Obama, on the other hand, drone strikes were a daily occurrence.

Did President Obama Order More Than 500 Drone Strikes?​

The figures being shared are based on the reporting of political scientist Micah Zenko, who in 2017 reported for the non-profit research organization Council on Foreign Relations that “The 542 drone strikes that Obama authorized killed an estimated 3,797 people, including 324 civilians.” Zenko’s figures are based on U.S. military press releases and news reports. ​