Bill Taylor's opening statement- quid pro quo

[Meister]

Fiction, fiction, fiction. You get over it.

LOL

There's nothing I need to get over. Trump's getting impeached. And even if the Senate doesn't vote him out -- he's gonna flame out.

Truth or lies doesn't make a difference with the TDS'ers when the goal is impeaching Trump. Got it

LOL

You have nothing to counter Trump asking a foreign national to help take down a political rival.

Trump's getting impeached and he deserves to for abusing his office.

Well, if the transcripts are ever released, we can get complete context....but it's better to make shit up, huh?

So you think Trump should release the full transcript of the call? Why do you think he did not?

I have no idea what your projections from my post is talking about. Want to make something up for us?

 

[beautress]

There's a difference which you well know, Mr. Faun. This fiction is not really all that original, but it's like the other 5 false narratives. It's fiction. All of it is fiction down to the final letter. And you're not owning the fiction, but even in spite of yourself it's--yep--fiction.

Your whining doesn't alter the fact that Republiscums can't call witnesses now because they made that rule in 2015.

Sucks for them. Get over it.

Fiction, fiction, fiction. You get over it.

LOL

There's nothing I need to get over. Trump's getting impeached. And even if the Senate doesn't vote him out -- he's gonna flame out.

Truth or lies doesn't make a difference with the TDS'ers when the goal is impeaching Trump. Got it

LOL

You have nothing to counter Trump asking a foreign national to help take down a political rival.

Trump's getting impeached and he deserves to for abusing his office.

You're out of your tree, Cheeta. President Trump is fulfilling his oath of office to the American people, and you can't stop him. He has an obligation as Commander in Chief to root out corruption where it presents itself, and he can call a foreign government and convince them it is in their better interests to cough up the truth about the person who committed a breach of federal policy NOT to accept personal/familial monetary benefits under the table from foreign governments no matter what the reason.

Biden did that, and a lot of other garbage the AG is looking into. They say the Biden rap sheet gets longer with each passing day, and not just in the Ukraine, either. Sorry you choose not to put your ear to the ground. You don't want to know. Trust me. You do not want to know.

 

[Seawytch]

Your whining doesn't alter the fact that Republiscums can't call witnesses now because they made that rule in 2015.

Sucks for them. Get over it.

Fiction, fiction, fiction. You get over it.

LOL

There's nothing I need to get over. Trump's getting impeached. And even if the Senate doesn't vote him out -- he's gonna flame out.

Truth or lies doesn't make a difference with the TDS'ers when the goal is impeaching Trump. Got it

LOL

You have nothing to counter Trump asking a foreign national to help take down a political rival.

Trump's getting impeached and he deserves to for abusing his office.

President Trump never did such a thing. It's too bad cannabis is now legal. I can understand where your toxic gas plume is coming from.

That is in the call memo Trump himself released. You should read it. Even at a 6th grade reading level, it shouldn't take too long.

Trump's Ukraine call transcript: Read the document

 

[Seawytch]

Your whining doesn't alter the fact that Republiscums can't call witnesses now because they made that rule in 2015.

Sucks for them. Get over it.

Fiction, fiction, fiction. You get over it.

LOL

There's nothing I need to get over. Trump's getting impeached. And even if the Senate doesn't vote him out -- he's gonna flame out.

Truth or lies doesn't make a difference with the TDS'ers when the goal is impeaching Trump. Got it

LOL

You have nothing to counter Trump asking a foreign national to help take down a political rival.

Trump's getting impeached and he deserves to for abusing his office.

You're out of your tree, Cheeta. President Trump is fulfilling his oath of office to the American people, and you can't stop him. He has an obligation as Commander in Chief to root out corruption where it presents itself, and he can call a foreign government and convince them it is in their better interests to cough up the truth about the person who committed a breach of federal policy NOT to accept personal/familial monetary benefits under the table from foreign governments no matter what the reason.

Biden did that, and a lot of other garbage the AG is looking into. They say the Biden rap sheet gets longer with each passing day, and not just in the Ukraine, either. Sorry you choose not to put your ear to the ground. You don't want to know. Trust me. You do not want to know.

So what other corrupt countries is he targeting in this fashion? Saudi Arabia? Russia? Turkey? What other countries are having foreign aid held up because of "corruption"? Why are two of the guys he sent to Ukraine to fight "corruption" now being charged with corruption ?

 

[Butch_Coolidge]

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Trump certainly is trying to smear the Bidens.

Imagine a President making a secret call to a foreign government asking publicly announce that they were investigating the President's political rival.

Syriusly sez: "Trump certainly is trying to smear the Bidens."
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Oh, doll, former VP Biden did that all by himself.

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All these stupid dims, are so stupid that they confess their crimes.


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[Seawytch]

By August the Ukranians knew the aid was being withheld- and according to Taylor's statement, were told that unless they made a public announcement of an investigation into, among other things, the Bidens, that the aid would not be coming, that the Ukrainians wouldn't get the sought after meeting in the White House.

And give us that link about the 'ongoing investigation into Burisma since February- since in August Trump's operatives were still trying to pressure Ukraine into starting them.

Was that from 2nd, 3rd or 4th hand information? And I provided a link already, look it up.

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You do realize that the whistleblower's testimony was backed up when the call notes were released, right?

No it wasn't.

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What part of the whistleblower testimony has not been?

Key allegations from the Ukraine whistleblower are true, despite what Trump says

Whistleblower complaint:
“I have received information from multiple U.S. Government officials that the President of the United States is using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election. This interference includes, among other things, pressuring a foreign country to investigate one of the President’s main domestic political rivals.”

What we know:
This core claim has been confirmed. Based on Trump’s public comments and the White House transcript of his call with Zelensky, it’s now clear that Trump used his position to pressure Ukraine to investigate Biden. If Zelensky bowed to this pressure, Ukraine would have been interfering in the 2020 election to help Trump win.

Whistleblower complaint:
“The President’s personal lawyer, Mr. Rudolph Giuliani, is a central figure in this effort. Attorney General Barr appears to be involved as well.”

What we know:
The whistleblower was spot-on about Giuliani, who has been transparent about his role and maintains he hasn’t done anything wrong. The whistleblower was less sure about Barr. Trump mentioned Barr on the Zelensky call, but the Justice Department said Barr didn’t learn about it for “several weeks” and that he never discussed Ukraine with Giuliani

Whistleblower complaint:
“According to the White House officials who had direct knowledge of the call, the President pressured Mr. Zelenskyy to … initiate or continue an investigation into the activities of former Vice President Joseph Biden and his son, Hunter Biden.”

What we know:
The White House transcript of the call revealed that this is accurate. Trump told Zelensky: “There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution, and a lot of people want to find out about that, so whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great.” In addition, after the complaint was publicly released, Trump publicly asked Ukraine to investigate the Biden family

Whistleblower complaint:
“According to the White House officials who had direct knowledge of the call, the President pressured Mr. Zelenskyy to … assist in purportedly uncovering that allegations of Russian interference in the 2016 US presidential election originated in Ukraine, with a specific request that the Ukrainian leader locate and turn over servers used by the Democratic National Committee and examined by the US cybersecurity firm Crowdstrike.”

What we know:
The White House transcript of the call included Trump’s mention of CrowdStrike, which is at the center of a Trump-supported conspiracy theory about alleged Ukrainian meddling in 2016. Trump said: “I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say CrowdStrike … I guess you have one of your wealthy people … The server, they say Ukraine has it … I would like to have the attorney general call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it.”​

And that is just a small sample.

Now you...

Has the whistlblower been cross examined? hmmmm?

The trial is in the Senate. Depositions aren't "cross examined".

 

[Meister]

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So the whistlblower could be nothing more than a liar, a plant or, a paid stooge.
Maybe 2-3-4 layers from the actual fact.


Got it

 

[kwc57]

I recommend everyone read Bill Taylor's opening statement today.
Top US diplomat to Ukraine testifies there was a quid pro quo

I suggest reading the entire thing because there is great perspective in his statement.

While it confirms the quid pro quo that had been suspected- what is perhaps even more disturbing is his description of a shadow diplomacy being led by Rudy Giuliani- the President's private attorney- in leading America's diplomatic conversation with Ukraine.

I know that the Trump supporters will reflexively attack Bill Taylor.....but for anyone who thinks that they are objective- read his statement.

Read it.

Vox...….the infowars of the left.

Vox was a convenient medium to post Taylor's statement.

Feel free to comment about Taylor's actual statement.

Sure, when liberals quit dismissing media outlets they take exception to. What's good for the goose.....

 

[LaDairis]

o the whistlblower could be nothing more than a liar, a plant or, a paid stooge.

even a CIA 911 Traitor straight out of George Tenet's office ....

 

[Faun]

Who, Shokin?

That's what he says now. And of course, he was forced out because he was a corrupt prosecutor and now has an axe to grind against Biden, the guy who helped get him out.

Has he been charged with giving false testimony?

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Who could charge him?

He gave a sworn deposition in a British court, they would have jurisdiction. To my knowledge the only ones accusing him of lying are you commies.

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LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Dumbfuck.... did you even look at the affidavit??

It wasn't given in a British court. It was given last month in Kiev in front of a notary.

It's contradictory to what's been reported in the news.

It even states: Facts mentioned at this statement have not been verified by the notary.

Oh, and the best part ------- Shokin never signed it!

Shokin Statement

You are the dumbest fucking cuck on this forum for falling for that bullshit.

Most everything is contradictory to whats being reported in the news, that's why it's called fake news.

Like Reagan said, the only problem with commiecrats, is they know so much that isn't true.

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Dumbfucking cuck ... I can't believe you're stupid enough to follow up after than royal bitchslapping (actually, yes, I can believe it). The affidavit you threw on the table wasn't signed. It's worthless. It's not even worth the paper it's printed on. The guy is so corrupt, he knew better than to sign a sworn lie.

And even rightwing media is reporting there was no open investigation into Burisma when Shokin was sacked...

WSJ News Exclusive | Trump Repeatedly Pressed Ukraine President to Investigate Biden’s Son

Mr. Giuliani has suggested Mr. Biden’s motivation was to protect his son, a lawyer who has been involved in several investment and consulting firms, although Mr. Shokin had already completed his investigation of Burisma Group before he left office.​

 

[LaDairis]

Faun,

How many BOARD MEETINGS did Hunter Biden attend???

A: ZERO


How can one be on the BOARD if he never attends a MEETING?

A: he was a CONDUIT to a KICKBACK

 

[Faun]

Your whining doesn't alter the fact that Republiscums can't call witnesses now because they made that rule in 2015.

Sucks for them. Get over it.

Fiction, fiction, fiction. You get over it.

LOL

There's nothing I need to get over. Trump's getting impeached. And even if the Senate doesn't vote him out -- he's gonna flame out.

Truth or lies doesn't make a difference with the TDS'ers when the goal is impeaching Trump. Got it

LOL

You have nothing to counter Trump asking a foreign national to help take down a political rival.

Trump's getting impeached and he deserves to for abusing his office.

Well, if the transcripts are ever released, we can get complete context....but it's better to make shit up, huh?

Who needs to make shit up when we have the transcript to Trump's call -- and the confession from his own chief-of-staff that Trump held up the funds until Zelensky agreed to his favors?

 

[Faun]

Faun,

How many BOARD MEETINGS did Hunter Biden attend???

A: ZERO


How can one be on the BOARD if he never attends a MEETING?

A: he was a CONDUIT to a KICKBACK

Who cares? There's no law against over paying someone to do nothing simply because you want their name and associations on your board.

 

[Faun]

Your whining doesn't alter the fact that Republiscums can't call witnesses now because they made that rule in 2015.

Sucks for them. Get over it.

Fiction, fiction, fiction. You get over it.

LOL

There's nothing I need to get over. Trump's getting impeached. And even if the Senate doesn't vote him out -- he's gonna flame out.

Truth or lies doesn't make a difference with the TDS'ers when the goal is impeaching Trump. Got it

LOL

You have nothing to counter Trump asking a foreign national to help take down a political rival.

Trump's getting impeached and he deserves to for abusing his office.

President Trump never did such a thing. It's too bad cannabis is now legal. I can understand where your toxic gas plume is coming from.

LOLOL

You're truly fucking brain-dead.

"The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it..."​

 

[LaDairis]

Who cares?

It is OFFICIAL.

Hunter Biden never attended a single board meeting. NOT ONE.

What does a BOARD MEMBER DO?

He/she ATTENDS BOARD MEETINGS


Hunter Biden was a "GHOST Board Member" who was really a CONDUIT for a KICKBACK.... No wonder the Dems don't want this INVESTIGATED....

 

[beautress]

I recommend everyone read Bill Taylor's opening statement today.
Top US diplomat to Ukraine testifies there was a quid pro quo

I suggest reading the entire thing because there is great perspective in his statement.

While it confirms the quid pro quo that had been suspected- what is perhaps even more disturbing is his description of a shadow diplomacy being led by Rudy Giuliani- the President's private attorney- in leading America's diplomatic conversation with Ukraine.

I know that the Trump supporters will reflexively attack Bill Taylor.....but for anyone who thinks that they are objective- read his statement.

Read it.

I'm not a trump supporter, but I do lean to the right. I wont attack him, rather, I say, lets get this thing started. The dems.have the evidence, let's get the articles drawn up and sent to the house for a full vote so we can get this thing moving.

That's the last thing they want.

Maybe, maybe not, but in the words of mills lane (cdm version) "let's get it on!" [emoji16]

Man oh, man ThisisMe, you been had. The Democrats not only never had any evidence, they've been proven liars on 5 different expensive explorations into the possibilities they postulate.
This feely-good closed door crapshoot also has no evidence. At best, it's a wannabe quid pro quo that isn't and never was a quid pro quo, and it never will be. Bring it on again? Pass the melatonin, please.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but, it doesnt matter what is true or not, what matters is what dems can get the media to report. Part of what is going on is not just trump impeachment, its public opinion. The dems have done a good job at monopolizing all avenues of media. For the last 3 years, it's been trump, russia, ukraine, collusion, corruption.

My stance, as of late, is, you cant convince anyone they are right or wrong, so why bother. That dent in the cement wall is deep enough, and eventually your head will hurt, so why keep banging.

The dems control the house, so, they basically control the narrative. Repubs can come out and show proof that they are right, and the dems can just leak another news story that will occupy the media cycle, and divert attention to what they want you to "know".

Maybe my stance will change once all this comes out in the open and we can start seeing information coming from the repubs, once they are allowed to start their defense and do some questioning of their own.

I'm just ready to get all this behind us. So my stance is, let's do it! If trump is guilty, then he needs to go, if hes innocent, then we can finally put all this to rest.

ThisisMe said, "If trump is guilty, then he needs to go, if hes innocent, then we can finally put all this to rest."
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You, I, and other U.S. taxpayers just shelled out $45 million dollars to get a Mueller Report. It cleared President Trump of the falsetto accusation that he colluded with Russia to get information on Clinton so he could use it to win the election. That never happened, but we found out he never, no not once, contacted the Russians or any other foreign government to get at the paranoid former First Lady of President Bill Clinton.

You may be influenced by people so punked out by Hillary's defeat they cried at her wannabe victory party, and heard their party leaders trying to fix the problem by promising they would "Get Trump" with impeachment the very next day. And they went about it full force for the duration of November, December, and days leading up to the inauguration of President Trump. Their orders to the Democrat operatives of the press have been daily, emailed, faxed, and hand-delivered to synchronize the specific words du jour being identical to all the other 200 news outlets who coordinate Democrat orders expediently.

So I'm not surprised people like you think who aren't tied down to either side, but favor certain elements in one side or the other.

Democrats are outdoing themselves to create an impression that President Trump has done something, It's fiction, every word of it. If you keep that in mind, their lies don't get under your toenails.

The Kavanaugh hoax came first, about the modus operandi under which the Democrats function. It was all a lie, all along, and leftist leadership made it happen. I am hoping you know the details but not wanting to offend you by regurgitating that which is provable and what part is fiction. The question is, why did the Democrats select rape as their cause celebre to erase Kavanaugh off the Supreme Court list forever? The answer is simple: they wanted women mad at President Trump, because he had a higher percentage of women voting for him than they anticipated. 90% of Americans will be madder than a hatter to think a public official has raped somebody else, particularly a single woman who is young and pretty and is vetted in persuasion to the nines.

If you need to know anything about the dirty tricks of the left, and you haven't noticed, stick around. America is in for the next phase about what America is going to do to prevent another Congressional majority from putting the swampy stuff on conceal. We cannot allow this to happen again in this nation. It is not only unconstitutional, it is anti-constitutional, in my humble opinion.

No more secret committee meetings excluding opponent party members of that committee, Democrats.

 

[Faun]

Your whining doesn't alter the fact that Republiscums can't call witnesses now because they made that rule in 2015.

Sucks for them. Get over it.

Fiction, fiction, fiction. You get over it.

LOL

There's nothing I need to get over. Trump's getting impeached. And even if the Senate doesn't vote him out -- he's gonna flame out.

Truth or lies doesn't make a difference with the TDS'ers when the goal is impeaching Trump. Got it

LOL

You have nothing to counter Trump asking a foreign national to help take down a political rival.

Trump's getting impeached and he deserves to for abusing his office.

You're out of your tree, Cheeta. President Trump is fulfilling his oath of office to the American people, and you can't stop him. He has an obligation as Commander in Chief to root out corruption where it presents itself, and he can call a foreign government and convince them it is in their better interests to cough up the truth about the person who committed a breach of federal policy NOT to accept personal/familial monetary benefits under the table from foreign governments no matter what the reason.

Biden did that, and a lot of other garbage the AG is looking into. They say the Biden rap sheet gets longer with each passing day, and not just in the Ukraine, either. Sorry you choose not to put your ear to the ground. You don't want to know. Trust me. You do not want to know.

Soliciting a foreign national to help with one's campaign is a crime. That's what Trump did and that's not fulfilling his oath of office. He violated the public's trust and he's getting impeached for it.

 

[LaDairis]

Soliciting a foreign national to help with one's campaign

Asking for an investigation into missing US taxpayer funds is not helping a campaign, it is helping the US figure out where YOUR PARTY wasted/stole our money....

 

[Faun]

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So the whistlblower could be nothing more than a liar, a plant or, a paid stooge.
Maybe 2-3-4 layers from the actual fact.


Got it

Someone who knew about Trump's phone call to ask Zelensky to investigate a political rival.

 

[LaDairis]

to investigate a political rival.

Investigate why $3 million of a $1 billion US foreign aid package was KICKED BACK to the SON of the VP.... now that we know Hunter was a GHOST BOARD MEMBER....