Black "pastor" arrested for crime of watering his neighbours garden

[Harpy Eagle]

Identifying one's self means showing a photo ID. How else is the cop supposed to know that person isn't lying?

I get what you are saying, but the law says what is says. That is all we can go by.

 

[tahuyaman]

WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!

they have no right to identify you unless youve been arrested for a crime,,,

That’s not true.

 

[progressive hunter]

That’s not true.

I corrected myself since alabama is one of the few stop and ID states,,


most states that are not stop and ID you dont have to id unless youve been lawfully arrested,,

 

[Ralph Norton]

I corrected myself since alabama is one of the few stop and ID states,,


most states that are not stop and ID you dont have to id unless youve been lawfully arrested,,

Here we go again.
This was wrong yesterday and is still wrong today:
You are required to give your ID if the officer has reasonable suspicion that you are committing a crime or have just committed a crime.
*Note that is NOT an arrest.

 

[progressive hunter]

Here we go again.
This was wrong yesterday and is still wrong today:
You are required to give your ID if the officer has reasonable suspicion that you are committing a crime or have just committed a crime.
*Note that is NOT an arrest.

you should try reading the laws before commenting on them,,,
I did,,

its called reasonable articulable suspicion,,

 

[rightwinger]

I'm old enough and experienced enough to know that when a cop requests identification, he wants to see a photo ID...lol

In this case, all he is entitled to is the guys name and that was given to him
He has no authority to demand ID

He freaked out when he didn’t get it

 

[Ralph Norton]

you should try reading the laws before commenting on them,,,
I did,,

its called reasonable articulable suspicion,,

Which is NOT what you said. You said a person must be "lawfully arrested" whatever that means and that is FALSE.

In Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, the Supreme Court upheld state laws requiring citizens to reveal their identity when officers have reasonable suspicion to believe criminal activity may be taking place.

 

[rightwinger]

thats not what the laws requires,,

Alabama is somewhat of a civilized state. If they want to require an ID when requested, they know how to say that.

All they require is that you give your name

 

[progressive hunter]

Which is NOT what you said. You said a person must be "lawfully arrested" whatever that means and that is FALSE.

In Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, the Supreme Court upheld state laws requiring citizens to reveal their identity when officers have reasonable suspicion to believe criminal activity may be taking place.

its the same thing,, if they articulate youve committed a crime thats the same as arrest,,

 

[Ralph Norton]

its the same thing,, if they articulate youve committed a crime thats the same as arrest,,

It's an investigative detention, NOT an arrest.

You should try reading the laws before commenting on them.

 

[progressive hunter]

It's an investigative detention, NOT an arrest.

You should try reading the laws before commenting on them.

an investigation doesnt require me to say anything,, in fact the 5th allows me to remain silent,,,

and you need to use something other than wiki for anything legal or political since its allowed to be edited by almost anyone,,

 

[Superbadbrutha]

For someone who claims to be black, you sure do lack street smarts...lol

I could say the thing about a racist, but once I thought about it you aren't smart. Street or otherwise.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

I could say the thing about a racist, but once I thought about it you aren't smart. Street or otherwise.

Obviously, I'm smarter than you...lol.

You can't even prove I'm a racist. You only make baseless accusations.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

In this case, all he is entitled to is the guys name and that was given to him
He has no authority to demand ID

He freaked out when he didn’t get it

Yeah, you're wrong, since Jennings wasn't on his own property.

The discrimination claim is stupid, since the cops were responding to a report. They weren't driving around and picked some random black dude to hassle.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

thats not what the laws requires,,

It's literally the only way a person can "identify themselves". It's WHY we have photo IDs...lol

 

[rightwinger]

Yeah, you're wrong, since Jennings wasn't on his own property.

The discrimination claim is stupid, since the cops were responding to a report. They weren't driving around and picked some random black dude to hassle.

Doesn’t matter
They can ask his name but not demand an ID

He provided his name as Pastor Jennings and pointed to his house.
All that is required

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

I get what you are saying, but the law says what is says. That is all we can go by.

Right and if a cop asks if you have a CCW permit, you can just say "yeah, I do" and that's the end of it.

I'm not sure it's intentional, or are you dudes really this naive...lol

 

[rightwinger]

Right and if a cop asks if you have a CCW permit, you can just say "yeah, I do" and that's the end of it.

I'm not sure it's intentional, or are you dudes really this naive...lol

Alabama law says provide your name
If they wanted ID, the law would specify that

Laws are like that

 

[progressive hunter]

It's literally the only way a person can "identify themselves". It's WHY we have photo IDs...lol

the law doesnt say to identify yourself it says to give name address and reason for your actions,,,

since there is no law that requires you have an ID they cant make a law saying you have to use one to ID yourself,,,

youre arguing something that doesnt exist,,

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Doesn’t matter
They can ask his name but not demand an ID

He provided his name as Pastor Jennings and pointed to his house.
All that is required

Without ID, he could say he's anybody. And the cops are just supposed to go along with it? That's just ignorant...lol