Boebert: "I'm tired of this separation of church and state junk".

[Harpy Eagle]

this is the lady that the dems went around claiming was an escort…

not that there is anything wrong with that

 

[struth]

not that there is anything wrong with that

it is when the person isn’t one and you are just knowingly and intentionally lying about the person

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

"I'm tired of this separation of church and state junk".​

Right.

We should amend the 1st Amendment to make Norse Paganism the national religion.

 

[AMart]

Give them credit: They're no longer even trying to hide it. And why should they? They know they have the Supreme Court in their pocket.

I'm not kidding when I say that the current incarnation of the Republican Party is pushing for an authoritarian Nationalist Theocracy.

"The Church is supposed to direct the government". Right, Republicans?

Need more of the video, but Religious orgs should most certainly petition and try to influence government policy and positions. They certainly have a right to. Regarding the founders yeah;

Religious Affiliation	# of signers	% of signers
Episcopalian/Anglican	32​	57.1%​
Congregationalist	13​	23.2%​
Presbyterian	12​	21.4%​
Quaker	2​	3.6%​
Unitarian or Universalist	2​	3.6%​
Catholic	1​	1.8%​
TOTAL	56​	100%​

Name of Signer	State	Religious Affiliation
Charles Carroll	Maryland	Catholic
Samuel Huntington	Connecticut	Congregationalist
Roger Sherman	Connecticut	Congregationalist
William Williams	Connecticut	Congregationalist
Oliver Wolcott	Connecticut	Congregationalist
Lyman Hall	Georgia	Congregationalist
Samuel Adams	Massachusetts	Congregationalist
John Hancock	Massachusetts	Congregationalist
Josiah Bartlett	New Hampshire	Congregationalist
William Whipple	New Hampshire	Congregationalist
William Ellery	Rhode Island	Congregationalist
John Adams	Massachusetts	Congregationalist; Unitarian
Robert Treat Paine	Massachusetts	Congregationalist; Unitarian
George Walton	Georgia	Episcopalian
John Penn	North Carolina	Episcopalian
George Ross	Pennsylvania	Episcopalian
Thomas Heyward Jr.	South Carolina	Episcopalian
Thomas Lynch Jr.	South Carolina	Episcopalian
Arthur Middleton	South Carolina	Episcopalian
Edward Rutledge	South Carolina	Episcopalian
Francis Lightfoot Lee	Virginia	Episcopalian
Richard Henry Lee	Virginia	Episcopalian
George Read	Delaware	Episcopalian
Caesar Rodney	Delaware	Episcopalian
Samuel Chase	Maryland	Episcopalian
William Paca	Maryland	Episcopalian
Thomas Stone	Maryland	Episcopalian
Elbridge Gerry	Massachusetts	Episcopalian
Francis Hopkinson	New Jersey	Episcopalian
Francis Lewis	New York	Episcopalian
Lewis Morris	New York	Episcopalian
William Hooper	North Carolina	Episcopalian
Robert Morris	Pennsylvania	Episcopalian
John Morton	Pennsylvania	Episcopalian
Stephen Hopkins	Rhode Island	Episcopalian
Carter Braxton	Virginia	Episcopalian
Benjamin Harrison	Virginia	Episcopalian
Thomas Nelson Jr.	Virginia	Episcopalian
George Wythe	Virginia	Episcopalian
Thomas Jefferson	Virginia	Episcopalian (Deist)
Benjamin Franklin	Pennsylvania	Episcopalian (Deist)
Button Gwinnett	Georgia	Episcopalian; Congregationalist
James Wilson	Pennsylvania	Episcopalian; Presbyterian
Joseph Hewes	North Carolina	Quaker, Episcopalian
George Clymer	Pennsylvania	Quaker, Episcopalian
Thomas McKean	Delaware	Presbyterian
Matthew Thornton	New Hampshire	Presbyterian
Abraham Clark	New Jersey	Presbyterian
John Hart	New Jersey	Presbyterian
Richard Stockton	New Jersey	Presbyterian
John Witherspoon	New Jersey	Presbyterian
William Floyd	New York	Presbyterian
Philip Livingston	New York	Presbyterian
James Smith	Pennsylvania	Presbyterian
George Taylor	Pennsylvania	Presbyterian
Benjamin Rush	Pennsylvania	Presbyterian

 

[struth]

Right.

We should amend the 1st Amendment to make Norse Paganism the national religion.

i do love me some Thor

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

not that there is anything wrong with that

 

[Dekster]

Give them credit: They're no longer even trying to hide it. And why should they? They know they have the Supreme Court in their pocket.

I'm not kidding when I say that the current incarnation of the Republican Party is pushing for an authoritarian Nationalist Theocracy.

"The Church is supposed to direct the government". Right, Republicans?

She is a troll. SCOTUS was right on the prayer case but extremists like her should be ignored.

 

[Devils_Advocate]

Dems and holy rollers.....It would be nice to be shed of both.....That way maybe common sense would prevail.

Blah, maybe just take the 50-50 chance and see what happens.

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Just a snap of the finger and poof the World could be made sane…

 

[jehanne1431]

I'm not kidding when I say that the current incarnation of the Republican Party is pushing for an authoritarian Nationalist Theocracy.

Platitudes and demagoguery, that is the specialty of a morally bankrupt LEFT.

You are talking insanity above. All many Christians are trying to do is fight the unconstitutional ruling of Roe v. Wade. Of course it does not bother you the least that there never was any legal argument for it. That is why the more honest players on the Supreme Court were compelled to rule properly. Christians wanted it worse than secular folks because we knew and we know it is the most vile and egregious sin against God, the creator of life. (Did I just lose you?)

And if Christianity wanted to be a nation of theocracy they could have done 100 years ago or 50 years ago. We don't want it. So quit lying.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Need more of the video, but Religious orgs should most certainly petition and try to influence government policy and positions. They certainly have a right to. Regarding the founders yeah;

Religious Affiliation	# of signers	% of signers
Episcopalian/Anglican	32​	57.1%​
Congregationalist	13​	23.2%​
Presbyterian	12​	21.4%​
Quaker	2​	3.6%​
Unitarian or Universalist	2​	3.6%​
Catholic	1​	1.8%​
TOTAL	56​	100%​

Name of Signer	State	Religious Affiliation
Charles Carroll	Maryland	Catholic
Samuel Huntington	Connecticut	Congregationalist
Roger Sherman	Connecticut	Congregationalist
William Williams	Connecticut	Congregationalist
Oliver Wolcott	Connecticut	Congregationalist
Lyman Hall	Georgia	Congregationalist
Samuel Adams	Massachusetts	Congregationalist
John Hancock	Massachusetts	Congregationalist
Josiah Bartlett	New Hampshire	Congregationalist
William Whipple	New Hampshire	Congregationalist
William Ellery	Rhode Island	Congregationalist
John Adams	Massachusetts	Congregationalist; Unitarian
Robert Treat Paine	Massachusetts	Congregationalist; Unitarian
George Walton	Georgia	Episcopalian
John Penn	North Carolina	Episcopalian
George Ross	Pennsylvania	Episcopalian
Thomas Heyward Jr.	South Carolina	Episcopalian
Thomas Lynch Jr.	South Carolina	Episcopalian
Arthur Middleton	South Carolina	Episcopalian
Edward Rutledge	South Carolina	Episcopalian
Francis Lightfoot Lee	Virginia	Episcopalian
Richard Henry Lee	Virginia	Episcopalian
George Read	Delaware	Episcopalian
Caesar Rodney	Delaware	Episcopalian
Samuel Chase	Maryland	Episcopalian
William Paca	Maryland	Episcopalian
Thomas Stone	Maryland	Episcopalian
Elbridge Gerry	Massachusetts	Episcopalian
Francis Hopkinson	New Jersey	Episcopalian
Francis Lewis	New York	Episcopalian
Lewis Morris	New York	Episcopalian
William Hooper	North Carolina	Episcopalian
Robert Morris	Pennsylvania	Episcopalian
John Morton	Pennsylvania	Episcopalian
Stephen Hopkins	Rhode Island	Episcopalian
Carter Braxton	Virginia	Episcopalian
Benjamin Harrison	Virginia	Episcopalian
Thomas Nelson Jr.	Virginia	Episcopalian
George Wythe	Virginia	Episcopalian
Thomas Jefferson	Virginia	Episcopalian (Deist)
Benjamin Franklin	Pennsylvania	Episcopalian (Deist)
Button Gwinnett	Georgia	Episcopalian; Congregationalist
James Wilson	Pennsylvania	Episcopalian; Presbyterian
Joseph Hewes	North Carolina	Quaker, Episcopalian
George Clymer	Pennsylvania	Quaker, Episcopalian
Thomas McKean	Delaware	Presbyterian
Matthew Thornton	New Hampshire	Presbyterian
Abraham Clark	New Jersey	Presbyterian
John Hart	New Jersey	Presbyterian
Richard Stockton	New Jersey	Presbyterian
John Witherspoon	New Jersey	Presbyterian
William Floyd	New York	Presbyterian
Philip Livingston	New York	Presbyterian
James Smith	Pennsylvania	Presbyterian
George Taylor	Pennsylvania	Presbyterian
Benjamin Rush	Pennsylvania	Presbyterian

The Deists rock.

 

[AMart]

The Deists rock.

Rebels!!!

 

[Leo123]

In America we have freedom OF religion not freedom FROM religion. IOW the government cannot dictate what religion people choose if any. Government has no say in religion. Boebert was basically saying that religion tells government to butt out. But then, the whole speech was not available either. IMO though, America was founded on Judeo Christian morals and values. The Founders used that as a basis for creating the Constitution but they did not specify a State religion.

 

[Missourian]

Deceptively edited...



Actual video quote at 3:30...




These leftist cannot be trusted.

They are liars.

Especially when it comes to strong conservative women.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

it is when the person isn’t one and you are just knowingly and intentionally lying about the person

can you prove she was not one?

 

[struth]

can you prove she was not one?

how about when you accuse someone of something…you prove it

 

[Natural Citizen]

Relevant snip from a great book on the topic of the traditional American philosophy of governance...


"....all men are created...endowed by their Creator..." (Declaration of Independence)


The Principle

1. The fundamental principle underlying the traditional American philosophy is that the Spiritual is supreme--that Man is of Divine origin and his spiritual, or religious, nature is of supreme value and importance compared with things material.


Religious Nature

2. This governmental philosophy is, therefore, essentially religious in nature. It is uniquely American; no other people in all history have ever made this principle the basis of their governmental philosophy. The spiritual brotherhood of men under the common fatherhood of God is a concept which is basic to this American philosophy. It expresses the spiritual relationship of God to Man and, in the light thereof, of Man to Man. To forget these truths is a most heinous offense against the spirit of traditional America because the greatest sin is the lost consciousness of sin.

The fundamentally religious basis of this philosophy is the foundation of its moral code, which contemplates The Individual's moral duty as being created by God's Law: the Natural Law. The Individual's duty requires obedience to this Higher Law; while knowledge of this duty comes from conscience, which the religious-minded and morally-aware Individual feels duty-bound to heed. This philosophy asserts that there are moral absolutes: truths, such as those mentioned above, which are binding upon all Individuals at all times under all circumstances. This indicates some of the spiritual and moral values which are inherent in its concept of Individual Liberty-Responsibility.


An Indivisible Whole

3. The American philosophy, based upon this principle, is an indivisible whole and must be accepted or rejected as such. It cannot be treated piece-meal. Its fundamentals and its implicit meanings and obligations must be accepted together with its benefits.


The Individual's Self-respect

4. The concept of Man's spiritual nature, and the resulting concept of the supreme dignity and value of each Individual, provide the fundamental basis for each Individual's self-respect and the consequent mutual respect among Individual's. This self-respect as well as this mutual respect are the outgrowth of, and evidenced by, The Individual's maintenance of his God-given, unalienable rights. They are maintained by requiring that government and other Individuals respect them, as well as by his dedication to his own unceasing growth toward realization of his highest potential-- spiritually, morally, intellectually, in every aspect of life. This is in order that he may merit maximum respect by self and by others.


Some Things Excluded

5. This concept of Man's spiritual nature excludes any idea of intrusion by government into this Man-to-Man spiritual relationship. It excludes the anti-moral precept that the end justifies the means and the related idea that the means can be separated from the end when judging them morally. This concept therefore excludes necessarily any idea of attempting to do good by force--for instance, through coercion of Man by Government, whether or not claimed to be for his own good or for the so-called common good or general welfare.

It excludes disbelief in--even doubt as to the existence of--God as the Creator of Man: and therefore excludes all ideas, theories and schools of thought--however ethical and lofty in intentions--which reject affirmative and positive belief in God as Man's Creator.


The Truly American Concept

6. Only those ideas, programs and practices, regarding things governmental, which are consistent with the concept that "The Spiritual is supreme" can justly be claimed to be truly American traditionally. Anything and everything governmental, which is in conflict with this concept, is non-American--judged by traditional belief.

This applies particularly to that which is agnostic, or atheistic--neutral about, or hostile to, positive and affirmative belief in this concept based upon belief in God as Man's Creator. There is not room for doubt, much less disbelief, in this regard from the standpoint of the traditional American philosophy. Its indivisible nature makes this inescapably true. This pertains, of course, to the realm of ideas and not to any person; it is the conflicting idea which is classified as non-American, according to this philosophy.


America a Haven For All Religions

7. The traditional American philosophy teaches that belief in God is the fundamental link which unites the adherents of all religions in a spiritual brotherhood. This philosophy allows for no differentiation between them in this unifying conviction: ". . . all men are created . . . endowed by their Creator . . ." This philosophy is all inclusive as to believers in God. Although America was originally colonized predominantly by adherents of the Christian religion, and principally by Protestants, the Founding Fathers steadfastly conformed to this all-embracing character of the approach of the American philosophy to religion. This was expressly and affirmatively indicated in the proclamation of 1776 of the fundamental American philosophy, of its basic principles, in the Declaration of Independence. This was further indicated, negatively, in 1787-1788 by the Framers and Ratifiers of the Constitution...as a "blueprint" for the structure of the then proposed Federal government, with strictly limited powers--by not permitting it to possess any power with regard to religion.


This implied prohibition against the Federal government was reinforced by the addition of the First Amendment expressly prohibiting it, through the Congress, from making any law "respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ."--the words "an establishment of religion" being intended to mean, specifically and only, a church or religious organization which is established, supported and preferred by the government, like the Church of England establishments then existing in some of the States.


The Conclusion

8. Belief in Man's Divine origin is the foundation of the fundamental American principle which controls his relationship to government: that Man--The Individual--is of supreme dignity and value because of his spiritual nature.


The American ideal of 1776: The Twelve Basic American Principles by Hamilton Abert Long

 

[Harpy Eagle]

how about when you accuse someone of something…you prove it

I did not accuse anyone of anything.

But I am down with this, just be sure to remember this next time you talk about the election being stolen.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

I don't see what she said to be any big deal.

First off the actual words 'separation of church and state' are not in the Constitution. We all know what the intention was, it was so that the government did not establish or control a particular religion. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".

Second, I think what has got everyone in a twit about here is when she says: “The church is supposed to direct the government” per the founding fathers.

I think what she's likely getting at, is when she says "the church" she means the people of the church as private citizens, and NOT the church as an established religion.

 

[Natural Citizen]

One thing is absolutely certain to anyone capable of competent, mature, unbiased observation. The gradual and constant erosion of virtue in society is the most dangerous and silent threat to Individual liberty in America today.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I think what she's likely getting at, is when she says "the church" she means the people of the church as private citizens, and NOT the church as an established religion.

Yeah. Pretty much.

DC critters aren't very articulate, unfortunately.

Discussions/threads like these have a great deal of potential. They're necessary.

Unfortunately, the wrong people, most often those having the most corrupt and disingenuous of intent, notwithstanding their own lack of understanding and self-awareness, tend to initiate them and it's all downhill and straight into the gutter from there. It's a shame, really.