Boy........Did we ever get Schlonged

[Correll]

Coal's biggest problem is being beat out by natural gas.

Either Correll knows this already and thats why he keeps changing the subject or he doesnt know and believes its the fault of regulations and Hillary. How? He cant explain that part tho

YOur inability to understand that multiple factors effect something is fairly shocking.

Here we go...The usual demeaning bullshit citing some lack of intelligence that cant be described....boring

Sure, competition from dropping Gas Prices is a problem for coal production and coal producing regions.

That's factor is a good thing for the nation over all, and is not something we want to change for the benefit of West Virginia.

So after saying I dont understand you agree with what I've said this whole time. Who is the one that doesnt understand again?

ON the other hand, government policy and hostility is an artificial factor that hurts coal employment and thus West Virginia, that we can easily fix to the benefit of American citizens in West Virginia.


I'm not sure how this is beyond you. Or are you just playing dumb?

There you go again, citing feelings like "hostility" or just saying vague things like "government policy". I've said this whole time coal jobs arent coming back. You keep saying I'm wrong then in the same post 2 sentences down you admit I'm right.

You're boring

There are TWO factors in discussion.

Oh boy...here you go again. Trying to get me to switch to the topic you want me too again. You've tried this already.

1. Competition from Gas. I have readily agreed that that is a part of the issue. I never said or implied otherwise.

This is the reason I said coal jobs will not be coming back. And after calling me stupid you agreed with me and then called names again.

2. Government policy. Which is easily changed.

Another vague point. Just yelling Government policy isnt addressing anything specific. Its easy like a comedian saying "how do you feel tonight?"

This is not "admitting that the jobs are not coming back".

You've already agreed with me. The same person you call stupid only to agree with then end it by calling someone stupid again.

Your fault not mine

As competition with Gas is only PART of the issue, NOT THE WHOLE of the issue, admitting it exists is not the same as stating that the jobs won't be coming back.


That you fail to grasp this simple distinction calls your intelligence into question.


YOur pretense that agreeing with you that competition with Gas exists means that I agree that the jobs won't be coming back is you being a dishonest prick.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Either Correll knows this already and thats why he keeps changing the subject or he doesnt know and believes its the fault of regulations and Hillary. How? He cant explain that part tho

YOur inability to understand that multiple factors effect something is fairly shocking.

Here we go...The usual demeaning bullshit citing some lack of intelligence that cant be described....boring

Sure, competition from dropping Gas Prices is a problem for coal production and coal producing regions.

That's factor is a good thing for the nation over all, and is not something we want to change for the benefit of West Virginia.

So after saying I dont understand you agree with what I've said this whole time. Who is the one that doesnt understand again?

ON the other hand, government policy and hostility is an artificial factor that hurts coal employment and thus West Virginia, that we can easily fix to the benefit of American citizens in West Virginia.


I'm not sure how this is beyond you. Or are you just playing dumb?

There you go again, citing feelings like "hostility" or just saying vague things like "government policy". I've said this whole time coal jobs arent coming back. You keep saying I'm wrong then in the same post 2 sentences down you admit I'm right.

You're boring

There are TWO factors in discussion.

Oh boy...here you go again. Trying to get me to switch to the topic you want me too again. You've tried this already.

1. Competition from Gas. I have readily agreed that that is a part of the issue. I never said or implied otherwise.

This is the reason I said coal jobs will not be coming back. And after calling me stupid you agreed with me and then called names again.

2. Government policy. Which is easily changed.

Another vague point. Just yelling Government policy isnt addressing anything specific. Its easy like a comedian saying "how do you feel tonight?"

This is not "admitting that the jobs are not coming back".

You've already agreed with me. The same person you call stupid only to agree with then end it by calling someone stupid again.

Your fault not mine

As competition with Gas is only PART of the issue, NOT THE WHOLE of the issue, admitting it exists is not the same as stating that the jobs won't be coming back.


That you fail to grasp this simple distinction calls your intelligence into question.

There you go again, talking about shit no one has brought up. I said jobs WONT come back. So far you've only managed to change the subject to vague undefined govt policies and what you are NOT saying.

You're NOT saying a lot of things. For example: That I'm wrong. You just change the subject and claim I dont know about the new subject you just threw in.

YOur pretense that agreeing with you that competition with Gas exists means that I agree that the jobs won't be coming back is you being a dishonest prick.

I said jobs wont be coming back. It sounds like you disagree. Feel free at anytime in the last 40 posts to explain why I am wrong. So far you havent because you cant.

Time for a new topic huh?

 

[Correll]

YOur inability to understand that multiple factors effect something is fairly shocking.

Here we go...The usual demeaning bullshit citing some lack of intelligence that cant be described....boring

Sure, competition from dropping Gas Prices is a problem for coal production and coal producing regions.

That's factor is a good thing for the nation over all, and is not something we want to change for the benefit of West Virginia.

So after saying I dont understand you agree with what I've said this whole time. Who is the one that doesnt understand again?

ON the other hand, government policy and hostility is an artificial factor that hurts coal employment and thus West Virginia, that we can easily fix to the benefit of American citizens in West Virginia.


I'm not sure how this is beyond you. Or are you just playing dumb?

There you go again, citing feelings like "hostility" or just saying vague things like "government policy". I've said this whole time coal jobs arent coming back. You keep saying I'm wrong then in the same post 2 sentences down you admit I'm right.

You're boring

There are TWO factors in discussion.

Oh boy...here you go again. Trying to get me to switch to the topic you want me too again. You've tried this already.

1. Competition from Gas. I have readily agreed that that is a part of the issue. I never said or implied otherwise.

This is the reason I said coal jobs will not be coming back. And after calling me stupid you agreed with me and then called names again.

2. Government policy. Which is easily changed.

Another vague point. Just yelling Government policy isnt addressing anything specific. Its easy like a comedian saying "how do you feel tonight?"

This is not "admitting that the jobs are not coming back".

You've already agreed with me. The same person you call stupid only to agree with then end it by calling someone stupid again.

Your fault not mine

As competition with Gas is only PART of the issue, NOT THE WHOLE of the issue, admitting it exists is not the same as stating that the jobs won't be coming back.


That you fail to grasp this simple distinction calls your intelligence into question.

There you go again, talking about shit no one has brought up. I said jobs WONT come back. So far you've only managed to change the subject to vague undefined govt policies and what you are NOT saying.

You're NOT saying a lot of things. For example: That I'm wrong. You just change the subject and claim I dont know about the new subject you just threw in.

YOur pretense that agreeing with you that competition with Gas exists means that I agree that the jobs won't be coming back is you being a dishonest prick.

I said jobs wont be coming back. It sounds like you disagree. Feel free at anytime in the last 40 posts to explain why I am wrong. So far you havent because you cant.

Time for a new topic huh?

I believe that jobs will come back because Coal is a huge part of our energy production and once an anti-coal administration is out, that usage will rise to more normal levels.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Here we go...The usual demeaning bullshit citing some lack of intelligence that cant be described....boring

So after saying I dont understand you agree with what I've said this whole time. Who is the one that doesnt understand again?


There you go again, citing feelings like "hostility" or just saying vague things like "government policy". I've said this whole time coal jobs arent coming back. You keep saying I'm wrong then in the same post 2 sentences down you admit I'm right.

You're boring

There are TWO factors in discussion.

Oh boy...here you go again. Trying to get me to switch to the topic you want me too again. You've tried this already.

1. Competition from Gas. I have readily agreed that that is a part of the issue. I never said or implied otherwise.

This is the reason I said coal jobs will not be coming back. And after calling me stupid you agreed with me and then called names again.

2. Government policy. Which is easily changed.

Another vague point. Just yelling Government policy isnt addressing anything specific. Its easy like a comedian saying "how do you feel tonight?"

This is not "admitting that the jobs are not coming back".

You've already agreed with me. The same person you call stupid only to agree with then end it by calling someone stupid again.

Your fault not mine

As competition with Gas is only PART of the issue, NOT THE WHOLE of the issue, admitting it exists is not the same as stating that the jobs won't be coming back.


That you fail to grasp this simple distinction calls your intelligence into question.

There you go again, talking about shit no one has brought up. I said jobs WONT come back. So far you've only managed to change the subject to vague undefined govt policies and what you are NOT saying.

You're NOT saying a lot of things. For example: That I'm wrong. You just change the subject and claim I dont know about the new subject you just threw in.

YOur pretense that agreeing with you that competition with Gas exists means that I agree that the jobs won't be coming back is you being a dishonest prick.

I said jobs wont be coming back. It sounds like you disagree. Feel free at anytime in the last 40 posts to explain why I am wrong. So far you havent because you cant.

Time for a new topic huh?

I believe that jobs will come back because Coal is a huge part of our energy production and once an anti-coal administration is out, that usage will rise to more normal levels.

See what happens when you stop name calling? We find out that you believe something opposite than what I believe is happening.

I'm looking at reality and you're hoping that reality will change with new attitudes. Thats the difference.

 

[Correll]

There are TWO factors in discussion.

Oh boy...here you go again. Trying to get me to switch to the topic you want me too again. You've tried this already.

1. Competition from Gas. I have readily agreed that that is a part of the issue. I never said or implied otherwise.

This is the reason I said coal jobs will not be coming back. And after calling me stupid you agreed with me and then called names again.

2. Government policy. Which is easily changed.

Another vague point. Just yelling Government policy isnt addressing anything specific. Its easy like a comedian saying "how do you feel tonight?"

This is not "admitting that the jobs are not coming back".

You've already agreed with me. The same person you call stupid only to agree with then end it by calling someone stupid again.

Your fault not mine

As competition with Gas is only PART of the issue, NOT THE WHOLE of the issue, admitting it exists is not the same as stating that the jobs won't be coming back.


That you fail to grasp this simple distinction calls your intelligence into question.

There you go again, talking about shit no one has brought up. I said jobs WONT come back. So far you've only managed to change the subject to vague undefined govt policies and what you are NOT saying.

You're NOT saying a lot of things. For example: That I'm wrong. You just change the subject and claim I dont know about the new subject you just threw in.

YOur pretense that agreeing with you that competition with Gas exists means that I agree that the jobs won't be coming back is you being a dishonest prick.

I said jobs wont be coming back. It sounds like you disagree. Feel free at anytime in the last 40 posts to explain why I am wrong. So far you havent because you cant.

Time for a new topic huh?

I believe that jobs will come back because Coal is a huge part of our energy production and once an anti-coal administration is out, that usage will rise to more normal levels.

See what happens when you stop name calling? We find out that you believe something opposite than what I believe is happening.

I'm looking at reality and you're hoping that reality will change with new attitudes. Thats the difference.

I hope reality will change with new policies.


And you libs are the ones that insult people reflexively and constantly. My goal is to always treat people with the same respect or lack there of they show me.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Oh boy...here you go again. Trying to get me to switch to the topic you want me too again. You've tried this already.


This is the reason I said coal jobs will not be coming back. And after calling me stupid you agreed with me and then called names again.

Another vague point. Just yelling Government policy isnt addressing anything specific. Its easy like a comedian saying "how do you feel tonight?"

You've already agreed with me. The same person you call stupid only to agree with then end it by calling someone stupid again.

Your fault not mine

As competition with Gas is only PART of the issue, NOT THE WHOLE of the issue, admitting it exists is not the same as stating that the jobs won't be coming back.


That you fail to grasp this simple distinction calls your intelligence into question.

There you go again, talking about shit no one has brought up. I said jobs WONT come back. So far you've only managed to change the subject to vague undefined govt policies and what you are NOT saying.

You're NOT saying a lot of things. For example: That I'm wrong. You just change the subject and claim I dont know about the new subject you just threw in.

YOur pretense that agreeing with you that competition with Gas exists means that I agree that the jobs won't be coming back is you being a dishonest prick.

I said jobs wont be coming back. It sounds like you disagree. Feel free at anytime in the last 40 posts to explain why I am wrong. So far you havent because you cant.

Time for a new topic huh?

I believe that jobs will come back because Coal is a huge part of our energy production and once an anti-coal administration is out, that usage will rise to more normal levels.

See what happens when you stop name calling? We find out that you believe something opposite than what I believe is happening.

I'm looking at reality and you're hoping that reality will change with new attitudes. Thats the difference.

I hope reality will change with new policies.


And you libs are the ones that insult people reflexively and constantly. My goal is to always treat people with the same respect or lack there of they show me.

Heres hoping for hope.

Edit: My fucking god...You sat here in 20 different posts and everyone was calling names and saying I dont understand shit. NOW you take the high road and claim it was all ME? You need help man

 

[Correll]

As competition with Gas is only PART of the issue, NOT THE WHOLE of the issue, admitting it exists is not the same as stating that the jobs won't be coming back.


That you fail to grasp this simple distinction calls your intelligence into question.

There you go again, talking about shit no one has brought up. I said jobs WONT come back. So far you've only managed to change the subject to vague undefined govt policies and what you are NOT saying.

You're NOT saying a lot of things. For example: That I'm wrong. You just change the subject and claim I dont know about the new subject you just threw in.

YOur pretense that agreeing with you that competition with Gas exists means that I agree that the jobs won't be coming back is you being a dishonest prick.

I said jobs wont be coming back. It sounds like you disagree. Feel free at anytime in the last 40 posts to explain why I am wrong. So far you havent because you cant.

Time for a new topic huh?

I believe that jobs will come back because Coal is a huge part of our energy production and once an anti-coal administration is out, that usage will rise to more normal levels.

See what happens when you stop name calling? We find out that you believe something opposite than what I believe is happening.

I'm looking at reality and you're hoping that reality will change with new attitudes. Thats the difference.

I hope reality will change with new policies.


And you libs are the ones that insult people reflexively and constantly. My goal is to always treat people with the same respect or lack there of they show me.

Heres hoping for hope.

Edit: My fucking god...You sat here in 20 different posts and everyone was calling names and saying I dont understand shit. NOW you take the high road and claim it was all ME? You need help man

YOu kept insisting that by agreeing that competition with gas was an issue, meant that I agreed that the jobs were not coming back.


THat was not true.

 

[ClosedCaption]

There you go again, talking about shit no one has brought up. I said jobs WONT come back. So far you've only managed to change the subject to vague undefined govt policies and what you are NOT saying.

You're NOT saying a lot of things. For example: That I'm wrong. You just change the subject and claim I dont know about the new subject you just threw in.


I said jobs wont be coming back. It sounds like you disagree. Feel free at anytime in the last 40 posts to explain why I am wrong. So far you havent because you cant.

Time for a new topic huh?

I believe that jobs will come back because Coal is a huge part of our energy production and once an anti-coal administration is out, that usage will rise to more normal levels.

See what happens when you stop name calling? We find out that you believe something opposite than what I believe is happening.

I'm looking at reality and you're hoping that reality will change with new attitudes. Thats the difference.

I hope reality will change with new policies.


And you libs are the ones that insult people reflexively and constantly. My goal is to always treat people with the same respect or lack there of they show me.

Heres hoping for hope.

Edit: My fucking god...You sat here in 20 different posts and everyone was calling names and saying I dont understand shit. NOW you take the high road and claim it was all ME? You need help man

YOu kept insisting that by agreeing that competition with gas was an issue, meant that I agreed that the jobs were not coming back.


THat was not true.

Its simple math. Natural Gas is cheaper than Coal. A cheaper alternative is not a job creator for the more expensive.

CAN jobs come back? Sure if we operate under the logic that anything is possible. Is it probable since a cheaper alternative exists? No.

Can you hope thats not true? Sure.

 

[Flopper]

Well, those are my experiences.

My wife and I take prescription drugs that cost $1700/mo or $900 with insurance purchased at Walgreens. We started purchasing these drugs through Canada last year at a cost $294/mo. These drugs are exactly the same medications. In fact they are manufactured in the same plants as the US equivalents.

Nexium, the popular acid reflux drug, an insurer in the United States pays, on average, $215 per customer. Yet the same prescription in the Netherlands costs about one-tenth less, just $23. According to the International Federation of Health Plans, Americans pay anywhere from two to six times more than the rest of the world for prescription drugs.

So why is there such a huge difference in what Americans pay for prescription drugs compared to the rest of world? Several reasons. First, there is no completion because the most popular drugs have 20 year patents that can often be extended. Secondly, most countries have very few organizations buying drugs which allows them to negotiate very low prices. In the US, there are several thousand organizations buying prescription drugs and the largest, Medicare is not allowed to negotiate prices which puts an upward price bias on every drug sold in the US.

While Obamacare has increased the number of people covered by insurance and has provided additional coverage, it has done nothing to lower the cost of healthcare.

I agree that's a real problem. When government colludes with big business, nasty things happen. Same goes for when government colludes with religion. I'm not a proponent of either. Drug companies have been raping us for years. We can't compete with their lobbyists. That's what happens when free market principles get overridden. If I were you, I'd by the Costco brand of pepcid.

Yes, Costco does have good prices on prescription drugs.

I don't agree that leaving healthcare to the free market is a good idea. Now if we were talking about selling potatoes, I would agree.

If we left healthcare to the free market with no government intervention, healthcare would be provided just like any product in the free market. The best healthcare goes to wealthy. Those who can't afford good healthcare get bad or none. I don't think most people in our society would want to live like that.

Now argument can be made that getting government out of healthcare would bring down prices which is certainly true but even if it cut healthcare cost in half, it would be well above the means of most people. Of course people could turn to insurance. However since insurance would be deregulated it would be designed to maximize premiums and minimize payments which do to complexity of insurance and healthcare, it would make it a bad option for most people.

Lastly, free markets work well only when the customer is able evaluate the quality of the goods or services in relation to price. Due to complexity and the uncertainty of healthcare this would be impossible.

The patent protection is the antithesis of free market. If that were done away with, what would be your complaint then on prescription drugs?

Without patent protection, there would be no new drugs. What drug company is going to spend tens of millions of dollar developing a drug only to have it cloned the day it hits the market.

A new drug costs $500 million to a $billion dollars to bring to market.

Wow!
What is needed is for the rest of world to be paying a larger share of development cost of drugs. I think the method used to sell drugs in the US drives prices insanely high and thus provides the lion's share of the money needed for research and development.

 

[ding]

So you are no longer claiming jobs created when the government contracts for a new building are not jobs & the work has no value. You are progressing here.

I never said they weren't jobs that were created. I said that they were being paid with the money we gave them and that there was no value created by it because the government is inefficient in everything they do. When they get involved in anything, costs go up. They don't have a balance sheet they have to answer to. So if you really need to see this as some victory because your ego is fragile, go for it. That doesn't change what I wrote, or how rational individuals who are not overly emotional will evaluate this exchange.

You believe that corporations will do the right thing.

When did I say that? I said they are accountable to a balance sheet. They are accountable for profits and losses. They must be efficient with their capital. The government doesn't have to be. The federal government which you so dearly love and want to get bigger and bigger and take care of your every need is a lousy creator of value, such that they don't create value at all.

Most intelligent people know that Corporations need to be regulated.

I never said they didn't. The question is one of degree. You love government so much that you want them to control everything. You probably want them to regulate prices, wages and profits, don't you? That's communism.

And cut the right wing crap claiming it is about me waning free stuff. You are being the typical asshat. I have worked all my life & never took any government help along the way. We need a federal government to protect our country, steer it in the right direction by doing things like not polluting the crap out of it so some corporation can add billions to their bottom line. To set regulations to prevent corporations from nearly killing this country again. Corpoirations cry & you are sofa king duped, that you carry their banner. It is people like you who got us a shyster like Donald Trump.

You want the government to be your nanny. There isn't anything you don't want your government to not do.

The religion of socialism worships big government and social policy.

Fuck off. That's all I hear from dumbasses like you. I work for a living & take care of myself. All you people do is blame Government for your miserable little lives.

I think you have that backwards. I'm not the one who wants big government. Therefore, I have no needs that need to be filled. All of us work for a living and take care of ourselves. It's that some, like yourself, believe that more government is better. My life is good without government regulation. Would you like for government to regulate wages, prices and profits? Would you like for government to control all aspects of society?

You accused me of something. Man up & admit it. You want fewer regulations. Under your buddy Trump, you are likely to get just that. Dirtier air, dirtier water, more greenhouse gases emissions, the path to another near financial collapse.

Sure, I'll man up. You want the government to be your nanny. There isn't anything you don't want your government to not do. The religion of socialism worships big government and social policy. How's that?

 

[ding]

I agree that's a real problem. When government colludes with big business, nasty things happen. Same goes for when government colludes with religion. I'm not a proponent of either. Drug companies have been raping us for years. We can't compete with their lobbyists. That's what happens when free market principles get overridden. If I were you, I'd by the Costco brand of pepcid.

Yes, Costco does have good prices on prescription drugs.

I don't agree that leaving healthcare to the free market is a good idea. Now if we were talking about selling potatoes, I would agree.

If we left healthcare to the free market with no government intervention, healthcare would be provided just like any product in the free market. The best healthcare goes to wealthy. Those who can't afford good healthcare get bad or none. I don't think most people in our society would want to live like that.

Now argument can be made that getting government out of healthcare would bring down prices which is certainly true but even if it cut healthcare cost in half, it would be well above the means of most people. Of course people could turn to insurance. However since insurance would be deregulated it would be designed to maximize premiums and minimize payments which do to complexity of insurance and healthcare, it would make it a bad option for most people.

Lastly, free markets work well only when the customer is able evaluate the quality of the goods or services in relation to price. Due to complexity and the uncertainty of healthcare this would be impossible.

The patent protection is the antithesis of free market. If that were done away with, what would be your complaint then on prescription drugs?

Without patent protection, there would be no new drugs. What drug company is going to spend tens of millions of dollar developing a drug only to have it cloned the day it hits the market.

Really? No new drugs? How certain or you of that? Given that they sell their exact same products at much lower prices in the rest of the world, I seriously doubt there would be no new products.

You mran the research funded by the big bad evil GOVERNMENT? OMG OMG OMG

Speak English, Pedro. Or maybe I couldn't understand you because you had the government teet in your mouth while you were talking.

 

[Dr Grump]

[
This is a country of over 300 million people. That won't work here. It will be a massive failure across the board.

Why not?

 

[ding]

[
This is a country of over 300 million people. That won't work here. It will be a massive failure across the board.

Why not?

We'll run out of other people's money.

 

[RealDave]

Yes, Costco does have good prices on prescription drugs.

I don't agree that leaving healthcare to the free market is a good idea. Now if we were talking about selling potatoes, I would agree.

If we left healthcare to the free market with no government intervention, healthcare would be provided just like any product in the free market. The best healthcare goes to wealthy. Those who can't afford good healthcare get bad or none. I don't think most people in our society would want to live like that.

Now argument can be made that getting government out of healthcare would bring down prices which is certainly true but even if it cut healthcare cost in half, it would be well above the means of most people. Of course people could turn to insurance. However since insurance would be deregulated it would be designed to maximize premiums and minimize payments which do to complexity of insurance and healthcare, it would make it a bad option for most people.

Lastly, free markets work well only when the customer is able evaluate the quality of the goods or services in relation to price. Due to complexity and the uncertainty of healthcare this would be impossible.

The patent protection is the antithesis of free market. If that were done away with, what would be your complaint then on prescription drugs?

Without patent protection, there would be no new drugs. What drug company is going to spend tens of millions of dollar developing a drug only to have it cloned the day it hits the market.

Really? No new drugs? How certain or you of that? Given that they sell their exact same products at much lower prices in the rest of the world, I seriously doubt there would be no new products.

You mran the research funded by the big bad evil GOVERNMENT? OMG OMG OMG

Speak English, Pedro. Or maybe I couldn't understand you because you had the government teet in your mouth while you were talking.

I speak English. You probably don't get it because I don't speak bigot.

 

[RealDave]

So you are no longer claiming jobs created when the government contracts for a new building are not jobs & the work has no value. You are progressing here.

I never said they weren't jobs that were created. I said that they were being paid with the money we gave them and that there was no value created by it because the government is inefficient in everything they do. When they get involved in anything, costs go up. They don't have a balance sheet they have to answer to. So if you really need to see this as some victory because your ego is fragile, go for it. That doesn't change what I wrote, or how rational individuals who are not overly emotional will evaluate this exchange.

You believe that corporations will do the right thing.

When did I say that? I said they are accountable to a balance sheet. They are accountable for profits and losses. They must be efficient with their capital. The government doesn't have to be. The federal government which you so dearly love and want to get bigger and bigger and take care of your every need is a lousy creator of value, such that they don't create value at all.

Most intelligent people know that Corporations need to be regulated.

I never said they didn't. The question is one of degree. You love government so much that you want them to control everything. You probably want them to regulate prices, wages and profits, don't you? That's communism.

And cut the right wing crap claiming it is about me waning free stuff. You are being the typical asshat. I have worked all my life & never took any government help along the way. We need a federal government to protect our country, steer it in the right direction by doing things like not polluting the crap out of it so some corporation can add billions to their bottom line. To set regulations to prevent corporations from nearly killing this country again. Corpoirations cry & you are sofa king duped, that you carry their banner. It is people like you who got us a shyster like Donald Trump.

You want the government to be your nanny. There isn't anything you don't want your government to not do.

The religion of socialism worships big government and social policy.

Fuck off. That's all I hear from dumbasses like you. I work for a living & take care of myself. All you people do is blame Government for your miserable little lives.

I think you have that backwards. I'm not the one who wants big government. Therefore, I have no needs that need to be filled. All of us work for a living and take care of ourselves. It's that some, like yourself, believe that more government is better. My life is good without government regulation. Would you like for government to regulate wages, prices and profits? Would you like for government to control all aspects of society?

You accused me of something. Man up & admit it. You want fewer regulations. Under your buddy Trump, you are likely to get just that. Dirtier air, dirtier water, more greenhouse gases emissions, the path to another near financial collapse.

Sure, I'll man up. You want the government to be your nanny. There isn't anything you don't want your government to not do. The religion of socialism worships big government and social policy. How's that?

I have news, We tried that deregulation & corporations nearly killed America. How soon you whiners forget.

 

[RealDave]

There is a name for it when governments set prices, wages and profits. I wonder if anyone can tell me that name?

Right wing propaganda. Guess which party actually put into effect wage and price controls in the US. I'd bet you can't.

That wasn't it. Care to try again? What form of government, sets prices, wages and profits? Let me give you a hint... it has always been the form of government chosen by atheists.

Price controls have been established in this country by both parties. Quit being so naive.

Really? Are you using the exception to define the rule? Yes, you are. Price controls are not the rule. So stop making ridiculous fringe arguments where you try to define the rule by exception.

Who is trying to set wages & prices? Quit putting up ridiculous right wing fringe crap.

 

[RealDave]

Yes, there are always ways to get medical care even if you don't have insurance or money. However, it takes time and time is precious if you have an aggressive cancer. The one thing in life you never want to hear is, "If only you had got to us sooner...", particularly if it's your 6 year old daughter. Believe me, I know.

If you have an aggressive cancer, the deal is already sealed. But then again, if we socialize medicine there will be long wait times anyway. I have yet to see a government program that has worked as intended. We already have enough bad attitude medical professionals, we can hardly expect their attitudes to improve once they become government employees.

No, the deal is not sealed if you have an aggressive cancer. I can testify to that.

I lived in Europe for nearly a year used the French healthcare system which is government supported. I never had long wait for appointments, usually only a couple of days. In the US, I'm lucky if I can get an appointment in two weeks. Also in France you can go to a consulting pharmacy and get prescription drugs for common ailments without seeing a doctor. Not only is their healthcare system easily accessible but my cost were less than in the US even though I was not a resident of France. I got prescription drugs that cost over two hundred a month in the US for a fraction of the price.

I'm sure there are countries where there are long waits for certain medical services. However that is the case in US. I just made an appointment with a dermatologist for Jan 24th which was their first available appointment.

The US healthcare system is no better or worst than it was before Obamacare. It's just more expensive and more people have access to it. Until the day comes we have a single payer system, US healthcare is going to be more expensive and less effective.

Well, keep single payer to yourself, millions of Americans want nothing to do with the shit. Lol

So, you will opt not to accept Medicare.

Why should I do that? Am I not paying in to it? Just because I won't opt out of something I have already pre-paid for does not mean I have to agree to expand it. That is flawed logic.

Because it is a government run program. You hate the government. You just called the program "shit" So put your money where your mouth is.

 

[RealDave]

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This is a country of over 300 million people. That won't work here. It will be a massive failure across the board.

Why not?

We'll run out of other people's money.

More people means more people paying into it.

 

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The patent protection is the antithesis of free market. If that were done away with, what would be your complaint then on prescription drugs?

Without patent protection, there would be no new drugs. What drug company is going to spend tens of millions of dollar developing a drug only to have it cloned the day it hits the market.

Really? No new drugs? How certain or you of that? Given that they sell their exact same products at much lower prices in the rest of the world, I seriously doubt there would be no new products.

You mran the research funded by the big bad evil GOVERNMENT? OMG OMG OMG

Speak English, Pedro. Or maybe I couldn't understand you because you had the government teet in your mouth while you were talking.

I speak English. You probably don't get it because I don't speak bigot.

People who cry bigot are often time bigots. I didn't understand it because "mran" made no sense. Were you trying to spell, "moron?" There's no a in moron.

 

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This is a country of over 300 million people. That won't work here. It will be a massive failure across the board.

Why not?

We'll run out of other people's money.

More people means more people paying into it.

Obviously you are unaware of the economic situation in this country. The majority are living month to month. Don't hold your breath that they will be paying anything.