Boy........Did we ever get Schlonged

[ding]

It can't

You mean you have no military personal? Those B2's just fly themselves do they? The federal national parks? Those rangers don't exist??

Government jobs really are not real jobs at all, obviously military, police and fire and the like are absolutely necessary. But all federal government jobs are a liability because the taxpayer has to fit the bill. So you cannot call it creating jobs... fact

IRS is not a job?

Any civilian government job really isn't a real job, it's a liability people with real jobs have to pay taxes to pay for that so called job.
Anyway, the IRS unconstitutional... And should be abolished

So a job is not a job if the wrong people p[at for it?
When the Federal Government hires a contractor to build a building, these aren't jobs? You keep blabbing this crap & it is ridiculous.

No, it's a job, but it does not create value. Unless you want communism, the government does not create value.

 

[RealDave]

Everyone has to die. What's the big deal? Should alcoholics be forced to quit drinking? They can die from that too, right? Same goes for heroin addicts, right? Are you going to force people to do what YOU believe they should do? Where exactly do you draw the line? If people don't want to buy insurance, what's it to you?

Conservative healthcare for the masses

Should alcoholics be forced to quit drinking? They can die from that too, right? Same goes for heroin addicts, right? Are you going to force people to do what YOU believe they should do? Where exactly do you draw the line? If people don't want to buy insurance, what's it to you?

What it is to me is they show up at Emergency rooms demanding care. We pay

I don't care if they buy it or the taxpayer provides it for all...People need healthcare

Oh... so you don't care about them, you only care about you having to pay. I don't think you have to worry too much about that. Just look at what you pay in taxes and then realize how little that would actually go.

Like I said before, insurance is not healthcare. The insurance industry is like a parasite. It doesn't add any value. A much better way is co-ops. Not to mention the whole insurance scam is intentionally designed to drive up prices to create an illusion that we need insurance companies. Please tell me that you are not such a dupe as to not realize the game that is being played.

I agree

Insurance is nothing but a well paid middleman
Your employer should not be making insurance choices for you

Government is the only realistic option....most modern countries have already figured that out

When you have health insurance. Unless you get more in benefits than you receive, you are already paying for other people's healthcare.

 

[ding]

Everyone has to die. What's the big deal? Should alcoholics be forced to quit drinking? They can die from that too, right? Same goes for heroin addicts, right? Are you going to force people to do what YOU believe they should do? Where exactly do you draw the line? If people don't want to buy insurance, what's it to you?

Conservative healthcare for the masses

Should alcoholics be forced to quit drinking? They can die from that too, right? Same goes for heroin addicts, right? Are you going to force people to do what YOU believe they should do? Where exactly do you draw the line? If people don't want to buy insurance, what's it to you?

What it is to me is they show up at Emergency rooms demanding care. We pay

I don't care if they buy it or the taxpayer provides it for all...People need healthcare

They'll get Health Care when jobs come back; I already pay enough in taxes.

Bsack from what?

One of the reasons the Democrats lost across the board is because the American people would not overlook their own economic reality. You can try to make the argument that people's lives are materially better today, but the people won't overlook their own hardships. In fact, even your Party campaigned that not everyone has enjoyed the "recovery." They campaigned on reversing the growing so-called income gap. So rather than try to convince others that they are not enduring hardship, a better tack might be to acknowledge their economic hardship.

 

[RealDave]

You mean you have no military personal? Those B2's just fly themselves do they? The federal national parks? Those rangers don't exist??

Government jobs really are not real jobs at all, obviously military, police and fire and the like are absolutely necessary. But all federal government jobs are a liability because the taxpayer has to fit the bill. So you cannot call it creating jobs... fact

IRS is not a job?

Any civilian government job really isn't a real job, it's a liability people with real jobs have to pay taxes to pay for that so called job.
Anyway, the IRS unconstitutional... And should be abolished

So a job is not a job if the wrong people p[at for it?
When the Federal Government hires a contractor to build a building, these aren't jobs? You keep blabbing this crap & it is ridiculous.

No, it's a job, but it does not create value. Unless you want communism, the government does not create value.

So why would building a new Trump Tower be different than creating a new FBI center? Do the workers get paid or not. Do the buildings not have value? You are quite naive & misinformed.

 

[ding]

Government jobs really are not real jobs at all, obviously military, police and fire and the like are absolutely necessary. But all federal government jobs are a liability because the taxpayer has to fit the bill. So you cannot call it creating jobs... fact

IRS is not a job?

Any civilian government job really isn't a real job, it's a liability people with real jobs have to pay taxes to pay for that so called job.
Anyway, the IRS unconstitutional... And should be abolished

So a job is not a job if the wrong people p[at for it?
When the Federal Government hires a contractor to build a building, these aren't jobs? You keep blabbing this crap & it is ridiculous.

No, it's a job, but it does not create value. Unless you want communism, the government does not create value.

So why would building a new Trump Tower be different than creating a new FBI center? Do the workers get paid or not. Do the buildings not have value? You are quite naive & misinformed.

Sure, they do get paid. But in the case of the federal government they are paying us from the money they got from us. As for the value, the government has never been known as efficient. The only thing we can count of with the government is that when they get involved in anything, costs will go up. In the business world we must get a return on our investment. That doesn't apply to the government. They don't have a balance sheet.

 

[RealDave]

Conservative healthcare for the masses

Should alcoholics be forced to quit drinking? They can die from that too, right? Same goes for heroin addicts, right? Are you going to force people to do what YOU believe they should do? Where exactly do you draw the line? If people don't want to buy insurance, what's it to you?

What it is to me is they show up at Emergency rooms demanding care. We pay

I don't care if they buy it or the taxpayer provides it for all...People need healthcare

They'll get Health Care when jobs come back; I already pay enough in taxes.

Bsack from what?

One of the reasons the Democrats lost across the board is because the American people would not overlook their own economic reality. You can try to make the argument that people's lives are materially better today, but the people won't overlook their own hardships. In fact, even your Party campaigned that not everyone has enjoyed the "recovery." They campaigned on reversing the growing so-called income gap. So rather than try to convince others that they are not enduring hardship, a better tack might be to acknowledge their economic hardship.

Bullshit. Clinton lost only because of the long efforts of Republicans in Congress, Wikileaks, NRA, and the RNC to discredit Hillary Clinton. You were duped by a loud mouthed bully who stood & screamed "I can fix it" "I know more about ISIS than the Generals" Why would people who suffered economically elect the party that nearly killed America under Bush.

So again, back from what?

 

[ding]

Should alcoholics be forced to quit drinking? They can die from that too, right? Same goes for heroin addicts, right? Are you going to force people to do what YOU believe they should do? Where exactly do you draw the line? If people don't want to buy insurance, what's it to you?

What it is to me is they show up at Emergency rooms demanding care. We pay

I don't care if they buy it or the taxpayer provides it for all...People need healthcare

They'll get Health Care when jobs come back; I already pay enough in taxes.

Bsack from what?

One of the reasons the Democrats lost across the board is because the American people would not overlook their own economic reality. You can try to make the argument that people's lives are materially better today, but the people won't overlook their own hardships. In fact, even your Party campaigned that not everyone has enjoyed the "recovery." They campaigned on reversing the growing so-called income gap. So rather than try to convince others that they are not enduring hardship, a better tack might be to acknowledge their economic hardship.

Bullshit. Clinton lost only because of the long efforts of Republicans in Congress, Wikileaks, NRA, and the RNC to discredit Hillary Clinton. You were duped by a loud mouthed bully who stood & screamed "I can fix it" "I know more about ISIS than the Generals" Why would people who suffered economically elect the party that nearly killed America under Bush.

So again, back from what?

So, then people in the Midwest were more sensitive to those things then people on the West or East Coasts?

 

[ding]

So again, back from what?

Back from what Hillary and Bernie said was a problem.

 

[RealDave]

IRS is not a job?

Any civilian government job really isn't a real job, it's a liability people with real jobs have to pay taxes to pay for that so called job.
Anyway, the IRS unconstitutional... And should be abolished

So a job is not a job if the wrong people p[at for it?
When the Federal Government hires a contractor to build a building, these aren't jobs? You keep blabbing this crap & it is ridiculous.

No, it's a job, but it does not create value. Unless you want communism, the government does not create value.

So why would building a new Trump Tower be different than creating a new FBI center? Do the workers get paid or not. Do the buildings not have value? You are quite naive & misinformed.

Sure, they do get paid. But in the case of the federal government they are paying us from the money they got from us. As for the value, the government has never been known as efficient. The only thing we can count of with the government is that when they get involved in anything, costs will go up. In the business world we must get a return on our investment. That doesn't apply to the government. They don't have a balance sheet.

A job is a job. Period. To claim it isn't because the funding comes from government is just plain stupid. To claim there is no value is STUPID.

If you are a Walmart shopper & they build a new store, aren't their customers paying for it? Does that mean Walmart is not creating jobs by building that building?

I don't know where you whiners get these ideas but what ever it is, please shut iot off because it is making you really stupid.

 

[RealDave]

So again, back from what?

Back from what Hillary and Bernie said was a problem.

You can't even admit is was back from the Bush recession. I knew you were on of those people.

 

[ding]

So again, back from what?

Back from what Hillary and Bernie said was a problem.

You can't even admit is was back from the Bush recession. I knew you were on of those people.

I don't care where it was from. I am telling you why the midwest rejected Hillary. Maybe you should go to Wisconsin, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Michigan and explain to them why they shouldn't have voted for Trump.

 

[ding]

Any civilian government job really isn't a real job, it's a liability people with real jobs have to pay taxes to pay for that so called job.
Anyway, the IRS unconstitutional... And should be abolished

So a job is not a job if the wrong people p[at for it?
When the Federal Government hires a contractor to build a building, these aren't jobs? You keep blabbing this crap & it is ridiculous.

No, it's a job, but it does not create value. Unless you want communism, the government does not create value.

So why would building a new Trump Tower be different than creating a new FBI center? Do the workers get paid or not. Do the buildings not have value? You are quite naive & misinformed.

Sure, they do get paid. But in the case of the federal government they are paying us from the money they got from us. As for the value, the government has never been known as efficient. The only thing we can count of with the government is that when they get involved in anything, costs will go up. In the business world we must get a return on our investment. That doesn't apply to the government. They don't have a balance sheet.

A job is a job. Period. To claim it isn't because the funding comes from government is just plain stupid. To claim there is no value is STUPID.

If you are a Walmart shopper & they build a new store, aren't their customers paying for it? Does that mean Walmart is not creating jobs by building that building?

I don't know where you whiners get these ideas but what ever it is, please shut iot off because it is making you really stupid.

Sure, and value is value. The federal government which you so dearly love and want to get bigger and bigger and take care of your every need is a lousy creator of value, such that they don't create value at all.

 

[RealDave]

So again, back from what?

Back from what Hillary and Bernie said was a problem.

You can't even admit is was back from the Bush recession. I knew you were on of those people.

I don't care where it was from. I am telling you why the midwest rejected Hillary. Maybe you should go to Wisconsin, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Michigan and explain to them why they shouldn't have voted for Trump.

I live in a very Republican part of PA. They believed the anti-Clinton hype & Donald's bullshit.

 

[RealDave]

So a job is not a job if the wrong people p[at for it?
When the Federal Government hires a contractor to build a building, these aren't jobs? You keep blabbing this crap & it is ridiculous.

No, it's a job, but it does not create value. Unless you want communism, the government does not create value.

So why would building a new Trump Tower be different than creating a new FBI center? Do the workers get paid or not. Do the buildings not have value? You are quite naive & misinformed.

Sure, they do get paid. But in the case of the federal government they are paying us from the money they got from us. As for the value, the government has never been known as efficient. The only thing we can count of with the government is that when they get involved in anything, costs will go up. In the business world we must get a return on our investment. That doesn't apply to the government. They don't have a balance sheet.

A job is a job. Period. To claim it isn't because the funding comes from government is just plain stupid. To claim there is no value is STUPID.

If you are a Walmart shopper & they build a new store, aren't their customers paying for it? Does that mean Walmart is not creating jobs by building that building?

I don't know where you whiners get these ideas but what ever it is, please shut iot off because it is making you really stupid.

Sure, and value is value. The federal government which you so dearly love and want to get bigger and bigger and take care of your every need is a lousy creator of value, such that they don't create value at all.

So you are no longer claiming jobs created when the government contracts for a new building are not jobs & the work has no value. You are progressing here. You believe that corporations will do the right thing. Most intelligent people know that Corporations need to be regulated. And cut the right wing crap claiming it is about me waning free stuff. You are being the typical asshat. I have worked all my life & never took any government help along the way. We need a federal government to protect our country, steer it in the right direction by doing things like not polluting the crap out of it so some corporation can add billions to their bottom line. To set regulations to prevent corporations from nearly killing this country again. Corpoirations cry & you are sofa king duped, that you carry their banner. It is people like you who got us a shyster like Donald Trump.

 

[ding]

So again, back from what?

Back from what Hillary and Bernie said was a problem.

You can't even admit is was back from the Bush recession. I knew you were on of those people.

I don't care where it was from. I am telling you why the midwest rejected Hillary. Maybe you should go to Wisconsin, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Michigan and explain to them why they shouldn't have voted for Trump.

I live in a very Republican part of PA. They believed the anti-Clinton hype & Donald's bullshit.

Well, that must explain it all, lol. Tell you what, you believe that everyone who voted the way they did was either stupid or smart depending upon which way they voted, and I'll continue o believe that everyone had their own reasons for voting the way they did. How's that?

 

[The Rabbi]

Major butt kicking by Republicans as Trump wins probably the most impressive victory in history. Never thought he could take a majority of swing states let alone shatter the blue wall

The SENATE. Republicans had to defend 26 states and defended 24. Unbelievable ground game by Republicans and Trumps coat tails were longer than could be expected

So now the Supreme Court will go 5-4 conservative and probably 6-3

The American people have spoken and I wish President Elect Trump the best





.

Wait. Werent you the guy saying the next Republican president hasnt been born yet?
Democrats are a moribund party.

 

[ding]

So you are no longer claiming jobs created when the government contracts for a new building are not jobs & the work has no value. You are progressing here.

I never said they weren't jobs that were created. I said that they were being paid with the money we gave them and that there was no value created by it because the government is inefficient in everything they do. When they get involved in anything, costs go up. They don't have a balance sheet they have to answer to. So if you really need to see this as some victory because your ego is fragile, go for it. That doesn't change what I wrote, or how rational individuals who are not overly emotional will evaluate this exchange.

You believe that corporations will do the right thing.

When did I say that? I said they are accountable to a balance sheet. They are accountable for profits and losses. They must be efficient with their capital. The government doesn't have to be. The federal government which you so dearly love and want to get bigger and bigger and take care of your every need is a lousy creator of value, such that they don't create value at all.

Most intelligent people know that Corporations need to be regulated.

I never said they didn't. The question is one of degree. You love government so much that you want them to control everything. You probably want them to regulate prices, wages and profits, don't you? That's communism.

And cut the right wing crap claiming it is about me waning free stuff. You are being the typical asshat. I have worked all my life & never took any government help along the way. We need a federal government to protect our country, steer it in the right direction by doing things like not polluting the crap out of it so some corporation can add billions to their bottom line. To set regulations to prevent corporations from nearly killing this country again. Corpoirations cry & you are sofa king duped, that you carry their banner. It is people like you who got us a shyster like Donald Trump.

You want the government to be your nanny. There isn't anything you don't want your government to not do.

The religion of socialism worships big government and social policy.

 

[Indeependent]

Everyone has to die. What's the big deal? Should alcoholics be forced to quit drinking? They can die from that too, right? Same goes for heroin addicts, right? Are you going to force people to do what YOU believe they should do? Where exactly do you draw the line? If people don't want to buy insurance, what's it to you?

Conservative healthcare for the masses

Should alcoholics be forced to quit drinking? They can die from that too, right? Same goes for heroin addicts, right? Are you going to force people to do what YOU believe they should do? Where exactly do you draw the line? If people don't want to buy insurance, what's it to you?

What it is to me is they show up at Emergency rooms demanding care. We pay

I don't care if they buy it or the taxpayer provides it for all...People need healthcare

They'll get Health Care when jobs come back; I already pay enough in taxes.

Bsack from what?

From Ireland, India, China, and any other Tax Haven that was used to avoid the "Trickle Down" effect of Supply Side Economics.

 

[Indeependent]

Should alcoholics be forced to quit drinking? They can die from that too, right? Same goes for heroin addicts, right? Are you going to force people to do what YOU believe they should do? Where exactly do you draw the line? If people don't want to buy insurance, what's it to you?

What it is to me is they show up at Emergency rooms demanding care. We pay

I don't care if they buy it or the taxpayer provides it for all...People need healthcare

They'll get Health Care when jobs come back; I already pay enough in taxes.

Bsack from what?

One of the reasons the Democrats lost across the board is because the American people would not overlook their own economic reality. You can try to make the argument that people's lives are materially better today, but the people won't overlook their own hardships. In fact, even your Party campaigned that not everyone has enjoyed the "recovery." They campaigned on reversing the growing so-called income gap. So rather than try to convince others that they are not enduring hardship, a better tack might be to acknowledge their economic hardship.

Bullshit. Clinton lost only because of the long efforts of Republicans in Congress, Wikileaks, NRA, and the RNC to discredit Hillary Clinton. You were duped by a loud mouthed bully who stood & screamed "I can fix it" "I know more about ISIS than the Generals" Why would people who suffered economically elect the party that nearly killed America under Bush.

So again, back from what?

99% of Americans knew who they were voting for in 2015.

 

[RealDave]

So you are no longer claiming jobs created when the government contracts for a new building are not jobs & the work has no value. You are progressing here.

I never said they weren't jobs that were created. I said that they were being paid with the money we gave them and that there was no value created by it because the government is inefficient in everything they do. When they get involved in anything, costs go up. They don't have a balance sheet they have to answer to. So if you really need to see this as some victory because your ego is fragile, go for it. That doesn't change what I wrote, or how rational individuals who are not overly emotional will evaluate this exchange.

You believe that corporations will do the right thing.

When did I say that? I said they are accountable to a balance sheet. They are accountable for profits and losses. They must be efficient with their capital. The government doesn't have to be. The federal government which you so dearly love and want to get bigger and bigger and take care of your every need is a lousy creator of value, such that they don't create value at all.

Most intelligent people know that Corporations need to be regulated.

I never said they didn't. The question is one of degree. You love government so much that you want them to control everything. You probably want them to regulate prices, wages and profits, don't you? That's communism.

And cut the right wing crap claiming it is about me waning free stuff. You are being the typical asshat. I have worked all my life & never took any government help along the way. We need a federal government to protect our country, steer it in the right direction by doing things like not polluting the crap out of it so some corporation can add billions to their bottom line. To set regulations to prevent corporations from nearly killing this country again. Corpoirations cry & you are sofa king duped, that you carry their banner. It is people like you who got us a shyster like Donald Trump.

You want the government to be your nanny. There isn't anything you don't want your government to not do.

The religion of socialism worships big government and social policy.

Fuck off. That's all I hear from dumbasses like you. I work for a living & take care of myself. All you people do is blame Government for your miserable little lives.