Boycott Israel

[RoccoR]

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You watched your little video and still get it wrong.

I see this as an intentional injection of confusion between "colonization" and the meaning of "colonialism."

Both Britain and the Zionists called their project colonialism all through the Mandate peroiod.

So why should this issue not be studied?

(COMMENT)

• Colonization is a process by which a central system of power dominates the surrounding land and its components. The term is derived from the Latin word colere, which means "to inhabit". Also, colonization refers strictly to migration, for example, to settler colonies in America or Australia, trading posts, and plantations, while colonialism to the existing indigenous peoples of styled "new territories".

• Colonialism is the policy of a foreign policy seeking to extend or retain its authority over other people or territories, generally with the aim of developing or exploiting them to the benefit of the colonizing country and of helping the colonies modernize in terms defined by the colonizers, especially in economics, religion, and health.​

The purpose of Allied Powers in establishing a Jewish National Home is NOT colonialism. The purpose did NOT include the extension of expanding the British Empire or economic exploitation.

Most Respectfully,
R

Only Media

(COMMENT)

The Jewish immigration was not a matter of a foreign power with its own sovereignty. It was the case of preserving an endangered culture.

The attempt to use "colonialism" by the self-righteous Arab Palestinians is strictly a political propaganda measure. If YOU were actually to look-up the list of the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24), the application of A/RES/15/1514 Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples 14 December 1960, and the List of Non-Self-Governing Territories (NSGTs - the 2018 Colonial Countries and People list by C-24), the three basic source references for colonialism today, you would note that there is not now, nor has there been (since 1960) any NSGT - Colonial activity anywhere n the Middle East (let alone relative to the Arab-Israeli Conflict and the Arab Palestinians).

Your failure to grasp and apply your Junior High School cartoon on the subject says much about the understanding. Today, there are only four (4) Colonial Powers n the world; The United States, The United Kingdom, France and New Zealand.

Mst Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You watched your little video and still get it wrong.

I see this as an intentional injection of confusion between "colonization" and the meaning of "colonialism."

Both Britain and the Zionists called their project colonialism all through the Mandate peroiod.

So why should this issue not be studied?

(COMMENT)

• Colonization is a process by which a central system of power dominates the surrounding land and its components. The term is derived from the Latin word colere, which means "to inhabit". Also, colonization refers strictly to migration, for example, to settler colonies in America or Australia, trading posts, and plantations, while colonialism to the existing indigenous peoples of styled "new territories".

• Colonialism is the policy of a foreign policy seeking to extend or retain its authority over other people or territories, generally with the aim of developing or exploiting them to the benefit of the colonizing country and of helping the colonies modernize in terms defined by the colonizers, especially in economics, religion, and health.​

The purpose of Allied Powers in establishing a Jewish National Home is NOT colonialism. The purpose did NOT include the extension of expanding the British Empire or economic exploitation.

Most Respectfully,
R

Only Media

(COMMENT)

The Jewish immigration was not a matter of a foreign power with its own sovereignty. It was the case of preserving an endangered culture.

The attempt to use "colonialism" by the self-righteous Arab Palestinians is strictly a political propaganda measure. If YOU were actually to look-up the list of the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24), the application of A/RES/15/1514 Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples 14 December 1960, and the List of Non-Self-Governing Territories (NSGTs - the 2018 Colonial Countries and People list by C-24), the three basic source references for colonialism today, you would note that there is not now, nor has there been (since 1960) any NSGT - Colonial activity anywhere n the Middle East (let alone relative to the Arab-Israeli Conflict and the Arab Palestinians).

Your failure to grasp and apply your Junior High School cartoon on the subject says much about the understanding. Today, there are only four (4) Colonial Powers n the world; The United States, The United Kingdom, France and New Zealand.

Mst Respectfully,
R

When Britain passed the torch to the UNPC, it called Palestine a non self governing territory. The UN has subsequently said that Palestine is under colonial and alien domination.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

OH, quit!

You watched your little video and still get it wrong.

I see this as an intentional injection of confusion between "colonization" and the meaning of "colonialism."

Both Britain and the Zionists called their project colonialism all through the Mandate peroiod.

So why should this issue not be studied?

(COMMENT)

• Colonization is a process by which a central system of power dominates the surrounding land and its components. The term is derived from the Latin word colere, which means "to inhabit". Also, colonization refers strictly to migration, for example, to settler colonies in America or Australia, trading posts, and plantations, while colonialism to the existing indigenous peoples of styled "new territories".

• Colonialism is the policy of a foreign policy seeking to extend or retain its authority over other people or territories, generally with the aim of developing or exploiting them to the benefit of the colonizing country and of helping the colonies modernize in terms defined by the colonizers, especially in economics, religion, and health.​

The purpose of Allied Powers in establishing a Jewish National Home is NOT colonialism. The purpose did NOT include the extension of expanding the British Empire or economic exploitation.

Most Respectfully,
R

Only Media

(COMMENT)

The Jewish immigration was not a matter of a foreign power with its own sovereignty. It was the case of preserving an endangered culture.

The attempt to use "colonialism" by the self-righteous Arab Palestinians is strictly a political propaganda measure. If YOU were actually to look-up the list of the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24), the application of A/RES/15/1514 Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples 14 December 1960, and the List of Non-Self-Governing Territories (NSGTs - the 2018 Colonial Countries and People list by C-24), the three basic source references for colonialism today, you would note that there is not now, nor has there been (since 1960) any NSGT - Colonial activity anywhere n the Middle East (let alone relative to the Arab-Israeli Conflict and the Arab Palestinians).

Your failure to grasp and apply your Junior High School cartoon on the subject says much about the understanding. Today, there are only four (4) Colonial Powers n the world; The United States, The United Kingdom, France and New Zealand.

Mst Respectfully,
R

When Britain passed the torch to the UNPC, it called Palestine a non self governing territory. The UN has subsequently said that Palestine is under colonial and alien domination.

(COMMENT)

There is more than one kind of Non-Self-Governing Territories (NSGTs). All Class "A" Mandates, by definition, are a form of what was defined in 1960 as an NSGT; pending the "development of self-governing institution."

• The Mandates System: LoN/1945.VI.A.1 30 April 1945 •
"Accordingly, under the terms of the Mandate, the Mandatory is to be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion."
​

The Arab Palestinians rejected inclusion in the self-governing programs and institutions on several occasions --- to include the "Steps Preparatory to Independence." The Arab Palestinians cannot claim any form of domination if they emphatically rejected the establishment of self-governing institutions on their behalf.

When did Committee 24 declare that "the UN has subsequently said that Palestine is under colonial and alien domination?" (Rhetorical) Often the Hostile Arab Palestinians have improperly implied that A/RES/36/9 had some special meaning beyond the normal anti-Israeli propaganda typically produced by the Anti-Jewish Lobby within the UN. However, in the more than three decades since the Propaganda Claim by Resolution, the General Assembly has not once challenged the findings and interpretation of C-24.

One Last Point: The Israeli Settlements within the West Bank are subject to the definition of Area "C" authority; having been agreed to by the Arab Palestinians and NOT challenged even once by the Arab Paestinians using one of the several dispute resolution process options (either under Article XV of Oslo I - or - Declaration of Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

OH, quit!

You watched your little video and still get it wrong.

I see this as an intentional injection of confusion between "colonization" and the meaning of "colonialism."

Both Britain and the Zionists called their project colonialism all through the Mandate peroiod.

So why should this issue not be studied?

(COMMENT)

• Colonization is a process by which a central system of power dominates the surrounding land and its components. The term is derived from the Latin word colere, which means "to inhabit". Also, colonization refers strictly to migration, for example, to settler colonies in America or Australia, trading posts, and plantations, while colonialism to the existing indigenous peoples of styled "new territories".

• Colonialism is the policy of a foreign policy seeking to extend or retain its authority over other people or territories, generally with the aim of developing or exploiting them to the benefit of the colonizing country and of helping the colonies modernize in terms defined by the colonizers, especially in economics, religion, and health.​

The purpose of Allied Powers in establishing a Jewish National Home is NOT colonialism. The purpose did NOT include the extension of expanding the British Empire or economic exploitation.

Most Respectfully,
R

Only Media

(COMMENT)

The Jewish immigration was not a matter of a foreign power with its own sovereignty. It was the case of preserving an endangered culture.

The attempt to use "colonialism" by the self-righteous Arab Palestinians is strictly a political propaganda measure. If YOU were actually to look-up the list of the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24), the application of A/RES/15/1514 Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples 14 December 1960, and the List of Non-Self-Governing Territories (NSGTs - the 2018 Colonial Countries and People list by C-24), the three basic source references for colonialism today, you would note that there is not now, nor has there been (since 1960) any NSGT - Colonial activity anywhere n the Middle East (let alone relative to the Arab-Israeli Conflict and the Arab Palestinians).

Your failure to grasp and apply your Junior High School cartoon on the subject says much about the understanding. Today, there are only four (4) Colonial Powers n the world; The United States, The United Kingdom, France and New Zealand.

Mst Respectfully,
R

When Britain passed the torch to the UNPC, it called Palestine a non self governing territory. The UN has subsequently said that Palestine is under colonial and alien domination.

(COMMENT)

There is more than one kind of Non-Self-Governing Territories (NSGTs). All Class "A" Mandates, by definition, are a form of what was defined in 1960 as an NSGT; pending the "development of self-governing institution."

• The Mandates System: LoN/1945.VI.A.1 30 April 1945 •
"Accordingly, under the terms of the Mandate, the Mandatory is to be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion."
​

The Arab Palestinians rejected inclusion in the self-governing programs and institutions on several occasions --- to include the "Steps Preparatory to Independence." The Arab Palestinians cannot claim any form of domination if they emphatically rejected the establishment of self-governing institutions on their behalf.

When did Committee 24 declare that "the UN has subsequently said that Palestine is under colonial and alien domination?" (Rhetorical) Often the Hostile Arab Palestinians have improperly implied that A/RES/36/9 had some special meaning beyond the normal anti-Israeli propaganda typically produced by the Anti-Jewish Lobby within the UN. However, in the more than three decades since the Propaganda Claim by Resolution, the General Assembly has not once challenged the findings and interpretation of C-24.

One Last Point: The Israeli Settlements within the West Bank are subject to the definition of Area "C" authority; having been agreed to by the Arab Palestinians and NOT challenged even once by the Arab Paestinians using one of the several dispute resolution process options (either under Article XV of Oslo I - or - Declaration of Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States).

Most Respectfully,
R

You are grasping at straws.

There is more than one kind of Non-Self-Governing Territories (NSGTs). All Class "A" Mandates, by definition, are a form of what was defined in 1960 as an NSGT; pending the "development of self-governing institution."

Palestine was born under foreign occupation (NSGT) and has remained so to this day. It has always been a NSGT under foreign domination.

The only offer of "self governance" offered during the Mandate was a subordinate roll in a Jewish homeland where it would have civil and religious rights but no national or political rights.

Of course the answer was no thanks.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

OH, quit!

You watched your little video and still get it wrong.

I see this as an intentional injection of confusion between "colonization" and the meaning of "colonialism."

(COMMENT)

• Colonization is a process by which a central system of power dominates the surrounding land and its components. The term is derived from the Latin word colere, which means "to inhabit". Also, colonization refers strictly to migration, for example, to settler colonies in America or Australia, trading posts, and plantations, while colonialism to the existing indigenous peoples of styled "new territories".

• Colonialism is the policy of a foreign policy seeking to extend or retain its authority over other people or territories, generally with the aim of developing or exploiting them to the benefit of the colonizing country and of helping the colonies modernize in terms defined by the colonizers, especially in economics, religion, and health.​

The purpose of Allied Powers in establishing a Jewish National Home is NOT colonialism. The purpose did NOT include the extension of expanding the British Empire or economic exploitation.

Most Respectfully,
R

Only Media

(COMMENT)

The Jewish immigration was not a matter of a foreign power with its own sovereignty. It was the case of preserving an endangered culture.

The attempt to use "colonialism" by the self-righteous Arab Palestinians is strictly a political propaganda measure. If YOU were actually to look-up the list of the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24), the application of A/RES/15/1514 Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples 14 December 1960, and the List of Non-Self-Governing Territories (NSGTs - the 2018 Colonial Countries and People list by C-24), the three basic source references for colonialism today, you would note that there is not now, nor has there been (since 1960) any NSGT - Colonial activity anywhere n the Middle East (let alone relative to the Arab-Israeli Conflict and the Arab Palestinians).

Your failure to grasp and apply your Junior High School cartoon on the subject says much about the understanding. Today, there are only four (4) Colonial Powers n the world; The United States, The United Kingdom, France and New Zealand.

Mst Respectfully,
R

When Britain passed the torch to the UNPC, it called Palestine a non self governing territory. The UN has subsequently said that Palestine is under colonial and alien domination.

(COMMENT)

There is more than one kind of Non-Self-Governing Territories (NSGTs). All Class "A" Mandates, by definition, are a form of what was defined in 1960 as an NSGT; pending the "development of self-governing institution."

• The Mandates System: LoN/1945.VI.A.1 30 April 1945 •
"Accordingly, under the terms of the Mandate, the Mandatory is to be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion."
​

The Arab Palestinians rejected inclusion in the self-governing programs and institutions on several occasions --- to include the "Steps Preparatory to Independence." The Arab Palestinians cannot claim any form of domination if they emphatically rejected the establishment of self-governing institutions on their behalf.

When did Committee 24 declare that "the UN has subsequently said that Palestine is under colonial and alien domination?" (Rhetorical) Often the Hostile Arab Palestinians have improperly implied that A/RES/36/9 had some special meaning beyond the normal anti-Israeli propaganda typically produced by the Anti-Jewish Lobby within the UN. However, in the more than three decades since the Propaganda Claim by Resolution, the General Assembly has not once challenged the findings and interpretation of C-24.

One Last Point: The Israeli Settlements within the West Bank are subject to the definition of Area "C" authority; having been agreed to by the Arab Palestinians and NOT challenged even once by the Arab Paestinians using one of the several dispute resolution process options (either under Article XV of Oslo I - or - Declaration of Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States).

Most Respectfully,
R

You are grasping at straws.

There is more than one kind of Non-Self-Governing Territories (NSGTs). All Class "A" Mandates, by definition, are a form of what was defined in 1960 as an NSGT; pending the "development of self-governing institution."

Palestine was born under foreign occupation (NSGT) and has remained so to this day. It has always been a NSGT under foreign domination.

The only offer of "self governance" offered during the Mandate was a subordinate roll in a Jewish homeland where it would have civil and religious rights but no national or political rights.

Of course the answer was no thanks.

The only offer of "self governance" offered during the Mandate was a subordinate roll in a Jewish homeland where it would have civil and religious rights but no national or political rights.

How'd all that "Palestinian" resistance work out for them?

 

[Shusha]

The only offer of "self governance" offered during the Mandate was a subordinate roll in a Jewish homeland where it would have civil and religious rights but no national or political rights.

Of course the answer was no thanks.

Even if that were true at the time, they have certainly been offered national and political rights since. Why won't they just take them?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The only offer of "self governance" offered during the Mandate was a subordinate roll in a Jewish homeland where it would have civil and religious rights but no national or political rights.

Of course the answer was no thanks.

Even if that were true at the time, they have certainly been offered national and political rights since. Why won't they just take them?

They have never been offered their full rights.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, NOT exactly correct.

When the Ottoman Empire surrendered in 1918 (Armistice of Mudros), the (British half of the) Enemy Occupied Territory Administration (EOTA) assumed Occupation Control of the Ottoman Vilayets of Syria and Beirut, plus the Independent Sanjak of Jerusalem. In April 1920 the Allied Powers settled on the plan to institute the Mandate System; one of which was designated the Mandate for Palestine. The EOTA over Palestine was scheduled to transfer into a Civil Administration effective in June, which it did. THUS ending the Occupation in favor of the Civil Administration. The Civil Administration assumed the role of the Mandatory for Palestine following the end of Occupation; and the implementation of the Order in Council and the Mandate.

Palestine was born under foreign occupation (NSGT) and has remained so to this day. It has always been a NSGT under foreign domination.

(COMMENT)

The Occupation ended in June and the Mandate for Palestine began in August 1922. The Mandatory became the Government of Palestine. Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population could be brought into a cooperative effort to establish self-government in Palestine. The Arab Palestinians chose not to make the effort and opted to remain as a non-participating constituent in territorial governmental affairs.

The only offer of "self-governance" offered during the Mandate was a subordinate roll in a Jewish homeland where it would have civil and religious rights but no national or political rights.

Of course the answer was no thanks.

(COMMENT)

This is not true either. This was just a justification to support the lack of Arab Palestinian Cooperation and the ultimate loss of territorial advantage political leverage as seen today. The British Mandatory Power proposed the creation of an "Arab Agency" analogous to that accorded to the "Jewish Agency.” The proposed "Arab Agency" would hold the right to consulted on all matters relating to immigration, and become the principle vehicle by which “the alternative views and concerns of the Arab community" could be brought forward for consideration. The Arab Palestinians forfeited their voice.

Neither the Allied Powers or the Mandatory suggested the Arab Palestinians assume a subordinate role to the Jewish Agency.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, NOT exactly correct.

When the Ottoman Empire surrendered in 1918 (Armistice of Mudros), the (British half of the) Enemy Occupied Territory Administration (EOTA) assumed Occupation Control of the Ottoman Vilayets of Syria and Beirut, plus the Independent Sanjak of Jerusalem. In April 1920 the Allied Powers settled on the plan to institute the Mandate System; one of which was designated the Mandate for Palestine. The EOTA over Palestine was scheduled to transfer into a Civil Administration effective in June, which it did. THUS ending the Occupation in favor of the Civil Administration. The Civil Administration assumed the role of the Mandatory for Palestine following the end of Occupation; and the implementation of the Order in Council and the Mandate.

Palestine was born under foreign occupation (NSGT) and has remained so to this day. It has always been a NSGT under foreign domination.

(COMMENT)

The Occupation ended in June and the Mandate for Palestine began in August 1922. The Mandatory became the Government of Palestine. Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population could be brought into a cooperative effort to establish self-government in Palestine. The Arab Palestinians chose not to make the effort and opted to remain as a non-participating constituent in territorial governmental affairs.

The only offer of "self-governance" offered during the Mandate was a subordinate roll in a Jewish homeland where it would have civil and religious rights but no national or political rights.

Of course the answer was no thanks.

(COMMENT)

This is not true either. This was just a justification to support the lack of Arab Palestinian Cooperation and the ultimate loss of territorial advantage political leverage as seen today. The British Mandatory Power proposed the creation of an "Arab Agency" analogous to that accorded to the "Jewish Agency.” The proposed "Arab Agency" would hold the right to consulted on all matters relating to immigration, and become the principle vehicle by which “the alternative views and concerns of the Arab community" could be brought forward for consideration. The Arab Palestinians forfeited their voice.

Neither the Allied Powers or the Mandatory suggested the Arab Palestinians assume a subordinate role to the Jewish Agency.

Most Respectfully,
R

You don't read your own posts.

safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine,

Same thing in the Balfour declaration. Civil and religious rights only.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

This is difficult to address, given the absence of a time period.

They have never been offered their full rights.

(COMMENT)

In the post-WWI period, the Arab Palestinians were never denied their rights (civil or religous). Having said that, you cannot assign the civil, human, and relgious rights of the 21st Century to the post-WWI period.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I would be willing to bet that you cannot find a list of pre-1948 Civil and Religious Rights written into law..

safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine,

Same thing in the Balfour declaration. Civil and religious rights only.

(COMMENT)

Oh. I read it OK. But having said "civil and religious rights," I don't actually think you can find that in Customary or Humanitarian Law (IHL). Even the UDHR is not binding.

Most Respectfuly,
R

 

[Shusha]

The only offer of "self governance" offered during the Mandate was a subordinate roll in a Jewish homeland where it would have civil and religious rights but no national or political rights.

Of course the answer was no thanks.

Even if that were true at the time, they have certainly been offered national and political rights since. Why won't they just take them?

They have never been offered their full rights.

And what, exactly, would those be?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I would be willing to bet that you cannot find a list of pre-1948 Civil and Religious Rights written into law..

safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine,

Same thing in the Balfour declaration. Civil and religious rights only.

(COMMENT)

Oh. I read it OK. But having said "civil and religious rights," I don't actually think you can find that in Customary or Humanitarian Law (IHL). Even the UDHR is not binding.

Most Respectfuly,
R

You are still grasping at straws trying to deny the Palestinian's rights. The Balfour Declaration mentioned civil, religious and political rights. Did they just pull those out of their ass?

BTW Britain has no authority to grant or deny rights.

 

[rylah]

Same thing in the Balfour declaration. Civil and religious rights only.

The Balfour Declaration also mentions national rights.
Arab national rights were given an exclusive status on most of Palestine territory, and the rest of the middle east.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Let's get it together.

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I would be willing to bet that you cannot find a list of pre-1948 Civil and Religious Rights written into law..

safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine,

Same thing in the Balfour declaration. Civil and religious rights only.

(COMMENT)

Oh. I read it OK. But having said "civil and religious rights," I don't actually think you can find that in Customary or Humanitarian Law (IHL). Even the UDHR is not binding.

Most Respectfuly,
R

You are still grasping at straws trying to deny the Palestinian's rights. The Balfour Declaration mentioned civil, religious and political rights. Did they just pull those out of their ass?

BTW Britain has no authority to grant or deny rights.

(COMMENT)

The quotation is: "nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious' rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine." There is no mention of political rights. And the "civil rights" are not truly defined.

No one said anything about whether Britan had the "authority to grant or deny rights." The Arab Palestinians had no greater rights and priveledges than the Jewish Immigrants. No one is trying to deny the Arab Palestinians their rights. But by the same token, the Arab Palestinians should NOT overexaggerate the rights they do have.

Any of the rights that the Arab Palestinians do have --- lay no obligation for the Jewish Immigrants or the British Administrators to abrogate the authority of Article 16 of the Treaty of Lausanne.

There is no grasping of straws.

Most Respectfuly,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Let's get it together.

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I would be willing to bet that you cannot find a list of pre-1948 Civil and Religious Rights written into law..

safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine,

Same thing in the Balfour declaration. Civil and religious rights only.

(COMMENT)

Oh. I read it OK. But having said "civil and religious rights," I don't actually think you can find that in Customary or Humanitarian Law (IHL). Even the UDHR is not binding.

Most Respectfuly,
R

You are still grasping at straws trying to deny the Palestinian's rights. The Balfour Declaration mentioned civil, religious and political rights. Did they just pull those out of their ass?

BTW Britain has no authority to grant or deny rights.

(COMMENT)

The quotation is: "nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious' rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine." There is no mention of political rights. And the "civil rights" are not truly defined.

No one said anything about whether Britan had the "authority to grant or deny rights." The Arab Palestinians had no greater rights and priveledges than the Jewish Immigrants. No one is trying to deny the Arab Palestinians their rights. But by the same token, the Arab Palestinians should NOT overexaggerate the rights they do have.

Any of the rights that the Arab Palestinians do have --- lay no obligation for the Jewish Immigrants or the British Administrators to abrogate the authority of Article 16 of the Treaty of Lausanne.

There is no grasping of straws.

Most Respectfuly,
R

The Arab Palestinians had no greater rights and priveledges than the Jewish Immigrants.

Interesting legal concept.

Define immigrant.

 

[MaryL]

Lets DO boycott Israel. OK, like what? Seriously? Stop buying kippers? OK...Where do we start?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

"Equality" is a bedrock concept.

Immigration
The entrance into a country of foreigners for purposes of permanent residence. The correlative term emigration denotes the act of such persons in leaving their former country.​

The Arab Palestinians had no greater rights and priveledges than the Jewish Immigrants.

Interesting legal concept.
Define immigrant.

(COMMENT)

The question here is really about the: "faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small." • Preamble UN Charter •

CHAPTER I (1945)
PURPOSES AND PRINCIPLES
Article 1
✪ To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;

International Covenant on Civil and Political Right
General Assembly resolution 2200A (XXI) of 16 December 1966
Entry into Force 23 March 1976

Preamble
✪ Considering that, in accordance with the principles proclaimed in the Charter of the United Nations, recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world, ​

PART I
Article 1
1. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

2. All peoples may, for their own ends, freely dispose of their natural wealth and resources without prejudice to any obligations arising out of international economic co-operation, based upon the principle of mutual benefit, and international law. In no case may a people be deprived of its own means of subsistence.

3. The States Parties to the present Covenant, including those having responsibility for the administration of Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territories, shall promote the realization of the right of self-determination, and shall respect that right, in conformity with the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

"Equality" is a bedrock concept.

Immigration
The entrance into a country of foreigners for purposes of permanent residence. The correlative term emigration denotes the act of such persons in leaving their former country.​

The Arab Palestinians had no greater rights and priveledges than the Jewish Immigrants.

Interesting legal concept.
Define immigrant.

(COMMENT)

The question here is really about the: "faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small." • Preamble UN Charter •

CHAPTER I (1945)
PURPOSES AND PRINCIPLES
Article 1
✪ To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;

International Covenant on Civil and Political Right
General Assembly resolution 2200A (XXI) of 16 December 1966
Entry into Force 23 March 1976

Preamble
✪ Considering that, in accordance with the principles proclaimed in the Charter of the United Nations, recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world, ​

PART I
Article 1
1. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

2. All peoples may, for their own ends, freely dispose of their natural wealth and resources without prejudice to any obligations arising out of international economic co-operation, based upon the principle of mutual benefit, and international law. In no case may a people be deprived of its own means of subsistence.

3. The States Parties to the present Covenant, including those having responsibility for the administration of Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territories, shall promote the realization of the right of self-determination, and shall respect that right, in conformity with the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations.​

Most Respectfully,
R

Great post Rocco.

Your only problem is that you believe that somehow the Palestinians were exempt from those rights and they only apply to foreign colonial settlers.

 

[Hollie]

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

"Equality" is a bedrock concept.

Immigration
The entrance into a country of foreigners for purposes of permanent residence. The correlative term emigration denotes the act of such persons in leaving their former country.​

The Arab Palestinians had no greater rights and priveledges than the Jewish Immigrants.

Interesting legal concept.
Define immigrant.

(COMMENT)

The question here is really about the: "faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small." • Preamble UN Charter •

CHAPTER I (1945)
PURPOSES AND PRINCIPLES
Article 1
✪ To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;

International Covenant on Civil and Political Right
General Assembly resolution 2200A (XXI) of 16 December 1966
Entry into Force 23 March 1976

Preamble
✪ Considering that, in accordance with the principles proclaimed in the Charter of the United Nations, recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world, ​

PART I
Article 1
1. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

2. All peoples may, for their own ends, freely dispose of their natural wealth and resources without prejudice to any obligations arising out of international economic co-operation, based upon the principle of mutual benefit, and international law. In no case may a people be deprived of its own means of subsistence.

3. The States Parties to the present Covenant, including those having responsibility for the administration of Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territories, shall promote the realization of the right of self-determination, and shall respect that right, in conformity with the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations.​

Most Respectfully,
R

Great post Rocco.

Your only problem is that you believe that somehow the Palestinians were exempt from those rights and they only apply to foreign colonial settlers.

On the other hand, you insist that the Arab-Moslem colonial settlers are granted an entitlement to rights not available to others. That’s a common attribute of Moslems and is addressed in both the Hamas and PLO charters.