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How can it be finalized?However, I would like to bring to your attention that the International Borders on the map are between members nations of the Arab League (going clockwise from True North, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt) and either the Jewish State or the Arab State (the names having not been finalized when the Partition Plan was adopted).
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All of the international borders mentioned in the Armistice Agreements were between Palestine and the neighboring states. No borders for an Israel were mentioned.
Is playing the terrorist card all you got?BDS and Terrorism are One Hate Network
NETWORK
New reports reveal the connections between BDS and Islamic terrorists.
July 4, 2018
We support the BDS movement.”
Those were the words of Ismail Haniyeh, a former Hamas prime minister and the head of its Politburo. And they revealed that Hamas considers BDS to be a component of its strategy for destroying Israel.
Even as Hamas continues the violence against Israel, it has gone on cheering BDS.
In a statement last month, Hamas welcomed BDS support for its cause even as it vowed victory. Last year, it tweeted, "We salute and support the influential BDS Movement."
Hamas officials have praised BDS as a means of destroying Israel and urged greater BDS coordination against Israel. But Hamas support for BDS is a lot more than just words. And the support isn’t one-sided.
The US Campaign for Palestinian Rights (USCPR), the umbrella group for BDS in this country, whose work guides Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP), has been funneling money to the Palestinian BDS National Committee (BNC) which operates in the terrorist occupied territories of Israel. BNC includes an umbrella group which numbers Hamas, the PFLP and Islamic Jihad, among other terrorist groups, as its members.
Is playing the terrorist card all you got?BDS and Terrorism are One Hate Network
NETWORK
New reports reveal the connections between BDS and Islamic terrorists.
July 4, 2018
We support the BDS movement.”
Those were the words of Ismail Haniyeh, a former Hamas prime minister and the head of its Politburo. And they revealed that Hamas considers BDS to be a component of its strategy for destroying Israel.
Even as Hamas continues the violence against Israel, it has gone on cheering BDS.
In a statement last month, Hamas welcomed BDS support for its cause even as it vowed victory. Last year, it tweeted, "We salute and support the influential BDS Movement."
Hamas officials have praised BDS as a means of destroying Israel and urged greater BDS coordination against Israel. But Hamas support for BDS is a lot more than just words. And the support isn’t one-sided.
The US Campaign for Palestinian Rights (USCPR), the umbrella group for BDS in this country, whose work guides Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP), has been funneling money to the Palestinian BDS National Committee (BNC) which operates in the terrorist occupied territories of Israel. BNC includes an umbrella group which numbers Hamas, the PFLP and Islamic Jihad, among other terrorist groups, as its members.
Sad.
Ramona Wadi, a Palestinian who does not know International Law, but does try to do a great BDS jobBDS and Workers’ Unity are Crucial in Maintaining International Solidarity for Palestine
“In recent years, more and more labor unions and individual AFL-CIO chapters are explicitly supporting Palestinian rights while criticizing continued apartheid Israeli human-rights abuses.”
PEORIA, ILLINOIS —
The corporate website proudly informs its readers:
At Caterpillar, we are committed to respecting internationally recognized human rights throughout our global operations. While this policy is uniquely our own, we considered principles described in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and the International Labor Organization’s (ILO) Declaration on Fundamental Principles and Rights at Work in its development.”
Palestinians would beg to differ. And so too should U.S. citizens, says Lawrence Maushard, a journalist and activist from the Boycott, Divestments and Sanctions Movement (BDS), who organizes protests just outside Caterpillar Inc.’s (CAT) traditional headquarters, now its main management structure, in Peoria, Illinois. As Maushard notes:
CAT has knowingly sold its bulldozers and other heavy equipment to the apartheid Israeli military and its front agents for decades. Bulldozers typically get weaponized and are used to destroy Palestinian homes, businesses, farms, property and lives against all international laws governing an occupying power.”
All of the international borders mentioned in the Armistice Agreements were between Palestine and the neighboring states. No borders for an Israel were mentioned.
BDS and Workers’ Unity are Crucial in Maintaining International Solidarity for Palestine
“In recent years, more and more labor unions and individual AFL-CIO chapters are explicitly supporting Palestinian rights while criticizing continued apartheid Israeli human-rights abuses.”
PEORIA, ILLINOIS —
The corporate website proudly informs its readers:
At Caterpillar, we are committed to respecting internationally recognized human rights throughout our global operations. While this policy is uniquely our own, we considered principles described in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and the International Labor Organization’s (ILO) Declaration on Fundamental Principles and Rights at Work in its development.”
Palestinians would beg to differ. And so too should U.S. citizens, says Lawrence Maushard, a journalist and activist from the Boycott, Divestments and Sanctions Movement (BDS), who organizes protests just outside Caterpillar Inc.’s (CAT) traditional headquarters, now its main management structure, in Peoria, Illinois. As Maushard notes:
CAT has knowingly sold its bulldozers and other heavy equipment to the apartheid Israeli military and its front agents for decades. Bulldozers typically get weaponized and are used to destroy Palestinian homes, businesses, farms, property and lives against all international laws governing an occupying power.”
RE: Boycott Israel
※→ Toddsterpatriot. P F Tinmore. et al,
Absolutely 100% wrong.
All of the international borders mentioned in the Armistice Agreements were between Palestine and the neighboring states. No borders for an Israel were mentioned.
All of the international borders mentioned in the Armistice Agreements were between Palestine and the neighboring states.
Exactly! And who were the signers for Palestine?
A bunch of Muslims, or a bunch of Jews?
Speak up, couldn't hear your answer.
(COMMENT)
There are some problems with your post. Israel's borders with Egypt and Jordan?As far as the issue of borders go, the two Pease Treaties set the example:
• Egyptian demarcation state:
Article II Untitled
The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel is the recognized international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine, as shown on the map at Annex II, without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip. The Parties recognize this boundary as inviolable. Each will respect the territorial integrity of the other, including their territorial waters and airspace.
• Jordanian demarcation states:
Article 3 - International Boundary
1. The international boundary between Jordan and Israel is delimited with reference to the boundary definition under the Mandate as is shown in Annex I (a), on the mapping materials attached thereto and coordinates specified therein.
2. The boundary, as set out in Annex I (a), is the permanent, secure and recognized international boundary between Jordan and Israel, without prejudice to the status of any territories that came under Israeli military government control in 1967.
3. The Parties recognize the international boundary, as well as each other's territory, territorial waters and airspace, as inviolable, and will respect and comply with them.
4. The demarcation of the boundary will take place as set forth in Appendix (I) to Annex I and will be concluded not later than 9 months after the signing of the Treaty.
5. It is agreed that where the boundary follows a river, in the event of natural changes in the course of the flow of the river as described in Annex I (a), the boundary shall follow the new course of the flow. In the event of any other changes the boundary shall not be affected unless otherwise agreed.
6. Immediately upon the exchange of the instruments of ratification of this Treaty, each Party will deploy on its side of the international boundary as defined in Annex I (a).
7. The parties shall, upon the signature of the Treaty, enter into negotiations to conclude, within 9 months, an agreement on the delimitation of their maritime boundary in the Gulf of Aqaba.
8. Taking into account the special circumstances of the Baqura/Naharayim area, which is under Jordanian sovereignty, with Israeli private ownership rights, the Parties agree to apply the provisions set out in Annex I (b).
9. With respect to the Al-Ghamr/Zofar area, the provisions set out in Annex I (c) will apply.
The first two Armistice Agreements (Egyptian-Israel and Jordan-Israel) are the Armistice Agreements are the applicable ones under our topic; as they pertain to the Gaza Strip and the West Bank (including Jerusalem).
• EGYPTIAN-ISRAELI GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
...Armistice Egyptian-Israeli S/1264/Corr.1 of 23 February 1949
• HASHEMITE JORDAN KINGDOM - ISRAEL: GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
...General Armistice Agreement between the Hashemite Jordan Kingdom and Israel S/1302/Rev.1 3 April 1949
In the case of Lebanon, the Letter dated 12 June 2000 from the Permanent Representative of Lebanon
to the United Nations addressed to the Secretary-General (Letter Signed by General Émile Lahoud
President of the President of the Republic) essentially superceeds the Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949, signed by: Lieutenant Colonel Toufic Salem (Government of Lebanon) and Lieutenant Colonel Mordechai Makleff (Government of Israel). (Signatures appear on S/1296/Add.1).
As for Syria, there was an instrument in '49, the two Parties are agreed that their forces shall not advance beyond the existing truce lines, as certified by the United Nations Truce Supervision Organization (Brigadier-General William E. Riley, USMC, Chief of Staff) Organization (See Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, signed by Sgan Aloof M. Makleff, Head of the Israeli delegation.) The agreement was recorded as ISRAELI-SYRIAN GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT S/1353/Add.2 27 July 1949 Executed by Colonel Fozi Selo, Head of the Syrian Delegation and Sgan Aloof M. Makleff, Head of the Israeli Delegation, on behalf and for their respective governments.
(EPILOG)
Both the Armistice Agreements with Jordan and Egypt dissolved (1994 and 1979 respectively) having been replaced by the Treaties of Peace. By agreement, the Armistice remain in force until a peaceful settlement between the Parties is achieved,
The Armistice with Lebanon was broken and later replaced by the 2000 Letter.
The Armistice with Syria was broken and the key terrain of the Golan Heights were annexed.
Most Respectfully,
R
RE: Boycott Israel
※→ Toddsterpatriot. P F Tinmore. et al,
Absolutely 100% wrong.
All of the international borders mentioned in the Armistice Agreements were between Palestine and the neighboring states. No borders for an Israel were mentioned.
All of the international borders mentioned in the Armistice Agreements were between Palestine and the neighboring states.
Exactly! And who were the signers for Palestine?
A bunch of Muslims, or a bunch of Jews?
Speak up, couldn't hear your answer.(COMMENT)There are some problems with your post. Israel's borders with Egypt and Jordan?As far as the issue of borders go, the two Pease Treaties set the example:
• Egyptian demarcation state:
Article II Untitled
The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel is the recognized international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine, as shown on the map at Annex II, without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip. The Parties recognize this boundary as inviolable. Each will respect the territorial integrity of the other, including their territorial waters and airspace.
• Jordanian demarcation states:
Article 3 - International Boundary
1. The international boundary between Jordan and Israel is delimited with reference to the boundary definition under the Mandate as is shown in Annex I (a), on the mapping materials attached thereto and coordinates specified therein.
2. The boundary, as set out in Annex I (a), is the permanent, secure and recognized international boundary between Jordan and Israel, without prejudice to the status of any territories that came under Israeli military government control in 1967.
3. The Parties recognize the international boundary, as well as each other's territory, territorial waters and airspace, as inviolable, and will respect and comply with them.
4. The demarcation of the boundary will take place as set forth in Appendix (I) to Annex I and will be concluded not later than 9 months after the signing of the Treaty.
5. It is agreed that where the boundary follows a river, in the event of natural changes in the course of the flow of the river as described in Annex I (a), the boundary shall follow the new course of the flow. In the event of any other changes the boundary shall not be affected unless otherwise agreed.
6. Immediately upon the exchange of the instruments of ratification of this Treaty, each Party will deploy on its side of the international boundary as defined in Annex I (a).
7. The parties shall, upon the signature of the Treaty, enter into negotiations to conclude, within 9 months, an agreement on the delimitation of their maritime boundary in the Gulf of Aqaba.
8. Taking into account the special circumstances of the Baqura/Naharayim area, which is under Jordanian sovereignty, with Israeli private ownership rights, the Parties agree to apply the provisions set out in Annex I (b).
9. With respect to the Al-Ghamr/Zofar area, the provisions set out in Annex I (c) will apply.
The first two Armistice Agreements (Egyptian-Israel and Jordan-Israel) are the Armistice Agreements are the applicable ones under our topic; as they pertain to the Gaza Strip and the West Bank (including Jerusalem).
• EGYPTIAN-ISRAELI GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
...Armistice Egyptian-Israeli S/1264/Corr.1 of 23 February 1949
• HASHEMITE JORDAN KINGDOM - ISRAEL: GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
...General Armistice Agreement between the Hashemite Jordan Kingdom and Israel S/1302/Rev.1 3 April 1949
In the case of Lebanon, the Letter dated 12 June 2000 from the Permanent Representative of Lebanon
to the United Nations addressed to the Secretary-General (Letter Signed by General Émile Lahoud
President of the President of the Republic) essentially superceeds the Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949, signed by: Lieutenant Colonel Toufic Salem (Government of Lebanon) and Lieutenant Colonel Mordechai Makleff (Government of Israel). (Signatures appear on S/1296/Add.1).
As for Syria, there was an instrument in '49, the two Parties are agreed that their forces shall not advance beyond the existing truce lines, as certified by the United Nations Truce Supervision Organization (Brigadier-General William E. Riley, USMC, Chief of Staff) Organization (See Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, signed by Sgan Aloof M. Makleff, Head of the Israeli delegation.) The agreement was recorded as ISRAELI-SYRIAN GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT S/1353/Add.2 27 July 1949 Executed by Colonel Fozi Selo, Head of the Syrian Delegation and Sgan Aloof M. Makleff, Head of the Israeli Delegation, on behalf and for their respective governments.
(EPILOG)
Both the Armistice Agreements with Jordan and Egypt dissolved (1994 and 1979 respectively) having been replaced by the Treaties of Peace. By agreement, the Armistice remain in force until a peaceful settlement between the Parties is achieved,
The Armistice with Lebanon was broken and later replaced by the 2000 Letter.
The Armistice with Syria was broken and the key terrain of the Golan Heights were annexed.
Most Respectfully,
R
4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.
The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949
(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions...
The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949
According to these two 1949 UN Armistice Agreements (that Israel signed) the Negev is Palestine. I have seen nothing that shows this to be false. This falls in line with all of the history I have read.
Where did Israel get the authority to claim borders on Palestine?
RE: Boycott Israel
※→ Toddsterpatriot. P F Tinmore. et al,
Absolutely 100% wrong.
All of the international borders mentioned in the Armistice Agreements were between Palestine and the neighboring states. No borders for an Israel were mentioned.
All of the international borders mentioned in the Armistice Agreements were between Palestine and the neighboring states.
Exactly! And who were the signers for Palestine?
A bunch of Muslims, or a bunch of Jews?
Speak up, couldn't hear your answer.(COMMENT)There are some problems with your post. Israel's borders with Egypt and Jordan?As far as the issue of borders go, the two Pease Treaties set the example:
• Egyptian demarcation state:
Article II Untitled
The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel is the recognized international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine, as shown on the map at Annex II, without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip. The Parties recognize this boundary as inviolable. Each will respect the territorial integrity of the other, including their territorial waters and airspace.
• Jordanian demarcation states:
Article 3 - International Boundary
1. The international boundary between Jordan and Israel is delimited with reference to the boundary definition under the Mandate as is shown in Annex I (a), on the mapping materials attached thereto and coordinates specified therein.
2. The boundary, as set out in Annex I (a), is the permanent, secure and recognized international boundary between Jordan and Israel, without prejudice to the status of any territories that came under Israeli military government control in 1967.
3. The Parties recognize the international boundary, as well as each other's territory, territorial waters and airspace, as inviolable, and will respect and comply with them.
4. The demarcation of the boundary will take place as set forth in Appendix (I) to Annex I and will be concluded not later than 9 months after the signing of the Treaty.
5. It is agreed that where the boundary follows a river, in the event of natural changes in the course of the flow of the river as described in Annex I (a), the boundary shall follow the new course of the flow. In the event of any other changes the boundary shall not be affected unless otherwise agreed.
6. Immediately upon the exchange of the instruments of ratification of this Treaty, each Party will deploy on its side of the international boundary as defined in Annex I (a).
7. The parties shall, upon the signature of the Treaty, enter into negotiations to conclude, within 9 months, an agreement on the delimitation of their maritime boundary in the Gulf of Aqaba.
8. Taking into account the special circumstances of the Baqura/Naharayim area, which is under Jordanian sovereignty, with Israeli private ownership rights, the Parties agree to apply the provisions set out in Annex I (b).
9. With respect to the Al-Ghamr/Zofar area, the provisions set out in Annex I (c) will apply.
The first two Armistice Agreements (Egyptian-Israel and Jordan-Israel) are the Armistice Agreements are the applicable ones under our topic; as they pertain to the Gaza Strip and the West Bank (including Jerusalem).
• EGYPTIAN-ISRAELI GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
...Armistice Egyptian-Israeli S/1264/Corr.1 of 23 February 1949
• HASHEMITE JORDAN KINGDOM - ISRAEL: GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
...General Armistice Agreement between the Hashemite Jordan Kingdom and Israel S/1302/Rev.1 3 April 1949
In the case of Lebanon, the Letter dated 12 June 2000 from the Permanent Representative of Lebanon
to the United Nations addressed to the Secretary-General (Letter Signed by General Émile Lahoud
President of the President of the Republic) essentially superceeds the Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949, signed by: Lieutenant Colonel Toufic Salem (Government of Lebanon) and Lieutenant Colonel Mordechai Makleff (Government of Israel). (Signatures appear on S/1296/Add.1).
As for Syria, there was an instrument in '49, the two Parties are agreed that their forces shall not advance beyond the existing truce lines, as certified by the United Nations Truce Supervision Organization (Brigadier-General William E. Riley, USMC, Chief of Staff) Organization (See Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, signed by Sgan Aloof M. Makleff, Head of the Israeli delegation.) The agreement was recorded as ISRAELI-SYRIAN GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT S/1353/Add.2 27 July 1949 Executed by Colonel Fozi Selo, Head of the Syrian Delegation and Sgan Aloof M. Makleff, Head of the Israeli Delegation, on behalf and for their respective governments.
(EPILOG)
Both the Armistice Agreements with Jordan and Egypt dissolved (1994 and 1979 respectively) having been replaced by the Treaties of Peace. By agreement, the Armistice remain in force until a peaceful settlement between the Parties is achieved,
The Armistice with Lebanon was broken and later replaced by the 2000 Letter.
The Armistice with Syria was broken and the key terrain of the Golan Heights were annexed.
Most Respectfully,
R
4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.
The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949
(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions...
The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949
According to these two 1949 UN Armistice Agreements (that Israel signed) the Negev is Palestine. I have seen nothing that shows this to be false. This falls in line with all of the history I have read.
Where did Israel get the authority to claim borders on Palestine?