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Do you really think that anyone can support 8 kids on 45K a year? Or find a decent place to live for 9 people on $500 a month?
Now, yeah, I think it is pretty awful that we have whole generations of people who don't understand what a paycheck is.
But the GOP riding in on a $70,000 Dressage Horse and telling us that the rest of us are too lazy is just the wrong messenger.
BIG difference right there, the owner of that horse could afford to have that horse. The fucking whore who drops one kid after another, without regard to her ability to support them should be forcibly sterilized and her spawn removed from her custody. If I have to support 'em, I will definitely want to have some say in how they are raised. Obviously, the fuck-factory that pushes out children irresponsibly is absolutely incapable of raising them to human status.
He can "afford" that horse because we live in a society that has an unequal distribution of wealth that is obscene. Not because he actually did the physical labor to earn $70,000 to buy a fucking dancing horsie.
I'd have no problem with "Workfare" and a more diligent child welfare system that took kids out of bad households.
But that's going to mean Mr. Dressage Pony actually paying his fair share in taxes.
What I want to kmow is how this uneducated woman was able to dupe the Federal and State government into giving her all this money. How did she convince the state legislature and Congress to award her and her familiy all this money? How did she make the laws that would allow this to occur?
How did she do that?
Perhaps she heard about from someone else who was doing it, who had heard from someone else who was doing it, who had heard from someone else who was doing it.
That's how cultural decay works.
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I understand how the recipient heard about this. But who put the system in place?
You and I both know it was not a welfare recipient that constructed the welfare system.
So why is the recipient more at fault than the designers of the welfare programs?
This 1 trillion dollar welfare umbrella, about what we spend on entertainment each year comes from federal, state, and local spending which totals 6.628 trillion dollars which means we are spending 15.08% of all government spending on the welfare umbrella.If this is true, it is obviously bad.
But if you imagine that WELFARE is the problem effecting this nation's economy, you are simply NOT very well informed.
We spend over $1 trillion per year on the welfare "umbrella". If you don't think it's crippling this nations economy, you are simply NOT very well informed. At all...
What a bunch of bullshit. Class envy bullshit.[
So, you answer is to ---- what, instruct Americans that since you can live as nicely as the working middle class while not working.... GO FOR IT!!! Because when you run out of other peoples money to spend IT WON'T BE YOUR FAULT!!!
---you see, this is why the argument from the left always falls totally apart. You are all wrried about placing the blame and not fixing the problems. You can't just take money from the rich --- there isn't enough money in the hands of the rich to fix the problems. If you took 100% of the riches income --- It wouldn't fix ANYTHING!!! Why? Because it still wouldn;t pay for the liberal social transformation that is taking over this country from the BOTTOM, UP!!!!
Guy, the fact is, if we had fair wealth distribution, we wouldn't have the problems we have.
Only America still thinks that people earning 8 figure salaries for ruining their companies is a real plan.
Let's be honest about what welfare is, it's "Please don't have riots and kill us" money. It's an opiate. Becuase as long as they have the widescreen you whine about incessantly, they aren't out there demanding stuff in riots like they were in the 1960's.
OK, after factcheck G-ma; with 8 babies really only makes $45,000.00 per year, plus O-phone, food stamps, section 8 housing at $500-$1000 per month (I looked that up as section 8 rentals in Ill.).
Do you really think that anyone can support 8 kids on 45K a year? Or find a decent place to live for 9 people on $500 a month?
Now, yeah, I think it is pretty awful that we have whole generations of people who don't understand what a paycheck is.
But the GOP riding in on a $70,000 Dressage Horse and telling us that the rest of us are too lazy is just the wrong messenger.
Often children trapped in foster care would be far better off if they remained with their own families even if they were dysfunctional, particularly older children. 60% of the kids that go into foster care are eventually returned to their parents. About 20% get adopted. It's a pretty said story for most of the remainder. More than 80 percent of foster care children have serious developmental, emotional or behavioral problems and make up the largest percent of the high school drop outs.It sounds like nobody has any idea of what it cost to raise kids today. The amount paid per child includes only lodging, food, and clothing and that's all most foster homes provide. There's no money for Christmas or birthday presents, toys, field trips, movies, allowances, school activities, tutoring, counseling, summer camps, and a thousand other things that are part of kids daily lives today.
The sad fact is there are many people who either don't give a shit about their kids or are incapable of supporting them. If you deny social services, they will dump the kids on neighbors, aging parents, or put them out on the streets. The welfare moms described in this thread are on welfare not because there're just lazy. They're addicted to drugs and alcohol, mental or physically impaired, constantly in trouble with law, illiterate, or lacking any job skills. These people will not find a job to support the kids regardless of whether they get welfare or not. You might think it's better for the kids and cheaper for the taxpayer to make them wards of the state but that's not so.
I think that in some cases possibly many cases it is better to remove the parental rights and make them adoptable. I know a woman whose sister had 7 kids on welfare. She was a prostitute (the mother of the 7 kids, not the woman I knew). Anyway, this woman, my neighbor took baby number 7 in from birth. When she was two years old, having known only one mom and that home for all her life, a mutual neighbor found out the biological mom was still collecting welfare for that child. She reported it, even got me to witness it. I was sorry afterward. Social Services answer was to removed that child from the only home she'd ever known and give her back to a prostitute drug user with 6 other kids who never even bothered to visit the child once in her first 2 years of life.
IMO, the answer should have been to terminate the parent's rights and let the sister adopt the child she was raising as her own.
Then start your own thread about it. I am sure no one will participate. Meanwhile you are put on notice you are not to attempt to hijack this thread again.Yes, welfare queens are the problem. Only the welfare queens are in the military industrial complex.7 absurd ways the military wastes taxpayer dollars - Salon.com
According to*journalist Nick Turse, The U.S. Army paid $71,614 [in 2004] to the Arizona Golf Resort located in sunny Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, The resort actually boasts an entire entertainment complex, complete with a water-slide-enhanced megapool, gym, bowling alley, horse stables, roller hockey rink, arcade, amphitheater, restaurant, and even a cappuccino bar not to mention the golf course and a driving range.
DoDs Sungnam golf course in the Republic of Korea, meanwhile, is reportedly valued at $26 million.
For non-golfers, the military also maintains a*ski lodge and resort in the Bavarian Alps, which opened in 2004 and cost $80 million.
I said the one trillion in welfare came out of 6.628 trillion dollars of government spending.This 1 trillion dollar welfare umbrella, about what we spend on entertainment each year comes from federal, state, and local spending which totals 6.628 trillion dollars which means we are spending 15.08% of all government spending on the welfare umbrella.We spend over $1 trillion per year on the welfare "umbrella". If you don't think it's crippling this nations economy, you are simply NOT very well informed. At all...
So you are suggesting the problem is 6 1/2 times worse than we thought... WOW!
Over $6,500,000,000,000.00 on welfare. The middle clas needs a BREAK!!! We can't keep carrying these people...
Often children trapped in foster care would be far better off if they remained with their own families even if they were dysfunctional, particularly older children. 60% of the kids that go into foster care are eventually returned to their parents. About 20% get adopted. It's a pretty said story for most of the remainder. More than 80 percent of foster care children have serious developmental, emotional or behavioral problems and make up the largest percent of the high school drop outs.It sounds like nobody has any idea of what it cost to raise kids today. The amount paid per child includes only lodging, food, and clothing and that's all most foster homes provide. There's no money for Christmas or birthday presents, toys, field trips, movies, allowances, school activities, tutoring, counseling, summer camps, and a thousand other things that are part of kids daily lives today.
The sad fact is there are many people who either don't give a shit about their kids or are incapable of supporting them. If you deny social services, they will dump the kids on neighbors, aging parents, or put them out on the streets. The welfare moms described in this thread are on welfare not because there're just lazy. They're addicted to drugs and alcohol, mental or physically impaired, constantly in trouble with law, illiterate, or lacking any job skills. These people will not find a job to support the kids regardless of whether they get welfare or not. You might think it's better for the kids and cheaper for the taxpayer to make them wards of the state but that's not so.
I think that in some cases possibly many cases it is better to remove the parental rights and make them adoptable. I know a woman whose sister had 7 kids on welfare. She was a prostitute (the mother of the 7 kids, not the woman I knew). Anyway, this woman, my neighbor took baby number 7 in from birth. When she was two years old, having known only one mom and that home for all her life, a mutual neighbor found out the biological mom was still collecting welfare for that child. She reported it, even got me to witness it. I was sorry afterward. Social Services answer was to removed that child from the only home she'd ever known and give her back to a prostitute drug user with 6 other kids who never even bothered to visit the child once in her first 2 years of life.
IMO, the answer should have been to terminate the parent's rights and let the sister adopt the child she was raising as her own.
I said the one trillion in welfare came out of 6.628 trillion dollars of government spending.This 1 trillion dollar welfare umbrella, about what we spend on entertainment each year comes from federal, state, and local spending which totals 6.628 trillion dollars which means we are spending 15.08% of all government spending on the welfare umbrella.
So you are suggesting the problem is 6 1/2 times worse than we thought... WOW!
Over $6,500,000,000,000.00 on welfare. The middle clas needs a BREAK!!! We can't keep carrying these people...
Often children trapped in foster care would be far better off if they remained with their own families even if they were dysfunctional, particularly older children. 60% of the kids that go into foster care are eventually returned to their parents. About 20% get adopted. It's a pretty said story for most of the remainder. More than 80 percent of foster care children have serious developmental, emotional or behavioral problems and make up the largest percent of the high school drop outs.It sounds like nobody has any idea of what it cost to raise kids today. The amount paid per child includes only lodging, food, and clothing and that's all most foster homes provide. There's no money for Christmas or birthday presents, toys, field trips, movies, allowances, school activities, tutoring, counseling, summer camps, and a thousand other things that are part of kids daily lives today.
The sad fact is there are many people who either don't give a shit about their kids or are incapable of supporting them. If you deny social services, they will dump the kids on neighbors, aging parents, or put them out on the streets. The welfare moms described in this thread are on welfare not because there're just lazy. They're addicted to drugs and alcohol, mental or physically impaired, constantly in trouble with law, illiterate, or lacking any job skills. These people will not find a job to support the kids regardless of whether they get welfare or not. You might think it's better for the kids and cheaper for the taxpayer to make them wards of the state but that's not so.
I think that in some cases possibly many cases it is better to remove the parental rights and make them adoptable. I know a woman whose sister had 7 kids on welfare. She was a prostitute (the mother of the 7 kids, not the woman I knew). Anyway, this woman, my neighbor took baby number 7 in from birth. When she was two years old, having known only one mom and that home for all her life, a mutual neighbor found out the biological mom was still collecting welfare for that child. She reported it, even got me to witness it. I was sorry afterward. Social Services answer was to removed that child from the only home she'd ever known and give her back to a prostitute drug user with 6 other kids who never even bothered to visit the child once in her first 2 years of life.
IMO, the answer should have been to terminate the parent's rights and let the sister adopt the child she was raising as her own.
From the fact check: The typical monthly payment rates for licensed foster home care range from $384 to $471, depending on the age of the child. The monthly payment rates for unlicensed relative home care range from $286 to $310, depending on the county.
Provided the foster parent is licensed and all 8 kids are teenagers, it's $45,216/yr which of course is not the case. The more likely case would be a range of ages from 1 to 10 yrs old. In that case the payment would be $38,400/yr.
You would have to be nuts to devote 24 yours a day, 365 days a year to raising 8 kids plus enduring the pain and sacrifice of giving birth to those kids, all for $38,000/yr.
From the fact check: The typical monthly payment rates for licensed foster home care range from $384 to $471, depending on the age of the child. The monthly payment rates for unlicensed relative home care range from $286 to $310, depending on the county.
Provided the foster parent is licensed and all 8 kids are teenagers, it's $45,216/yr which of course is not the case. The more likely case would be a range of ages from 1 to 10 yrs old. In that case the payment would be $38,400/yr.
You would have to be nuts to devote 24 yours a day, 365 days a year to raising 8 kids plus enduring the pain and sacrifice of giving birth to those kids, all for $38,000/yr.
Apparently not for everyone, unless the payoff really is a lot more than your estimate.
Oh, and [MENTION=31057]JoeB131[/MENTION] --- You really think it's FAIR for the slothful Americans to have easy access to big flat-screen TVs and X-Boxes when there are HARD WORKING Americans who are forced to do without because they are still trying to be responsible and accountable citizens???
Yeah, you guys all want to talk about fair when you compare freeloaders to the RICH! Where is fair for the people who work their asses off only to give 25% of their income to making sure those lazy bastards get their fancy TVs and video games!!!
Hypocracy from the left is NEVERENDING!!!
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But the GOP riding in on a $70,000 Dressage Horse and telling us that the rest of us are too lazy is just the wrong messenger.
Mrs Romney bought the fucking horse with her money, not yours, Joe. I don't give a shit how much money you spent on your toys, as long as it didn't come out of MY pocket.
OK, after factcheck G-ma; with 8 babies really only makes $45,000.00 per year, plus O-phone, food stamps, section 8 housing at $500-$1000 per month (I looked that up as section 8 rentals in Ill.).
Do you really think that anyone can support 8 kids on 45K a year? Or find a decent place to live for 9 people on $500 a month?
Now, yeah, I think it is pretty awful that we have whole generations of people who don't understand what a paycheck is.
But the GOP riding in on a $70,000 Dressage Horse and telling us that the rest of us are too lazy is just the wrong messenger.
That is NOT the point you liberal partisan rock head. This little pants off at the drop of hat baby making slut and her 400lb grandma are gaming the system. They are CRIMINALS. They are committing FRAUD.
"But the GOP riding in on a $70,000 Dressage Horse and telling us that the rest of us are too lazy is just the wrong messenger".....Hey genius, big difference. The horse owner EARNED the money to pay for that animal. Oh, is it your contention there are no wealthy liberals ( Bill Gates, George Soros, Kennedys, Heinz-Kerry) OOPS..
Yiu are one ignorant fool. Now that you've successfully stomped on your own dick, SHUT THE FUCK UP.
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Fair wealth distribution has never existed in ANY society, EVER!!!! It is an unrealistic pipe dream that leads to upheaval and the end of a society.
If you have a plan, start the thread. Be fair and honest in your assessments, and I will be more than happy to listen. However, be prepared --- socialism is not an acceptable solution because sooner, rather than later, you WILL run out of OPM (other peoples money) to drive the system.
...and I can't believe that the US left doesn't believe in their own ideology and that the only reason they do the things they do is fear of rioting...
Do you really believe that Hillary and Obama sit around and say --- "well, FAIR is really making slothful Americans accountable for their own lives, as well as punishing the rich for their success, but if we ask the sloths to step up they are going to roit so we are only going to punish the rich!!"??????
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But the GOP riding in on a $70,000 Dressage Horse and telling us that the rest of us are too lazy is just the wrong messenger.
Mrs Romney bought the fucking horse with her money, not yours, Joe. I don't give a shit how much money you spent on your toys, as long as it didn't come out of MY pocket.
No, Mrs. Romney bought that money out of money that was stolen from the pensions and jobs of AmPad and GS Steel workers.
So Mrs. Romney got a dancing horsie to treat her MS, and Mrs. Soptic died of cancer because Mitt Cancelled her health insurance.
