Bread Winner Making Babies!!! Welfare Queens!!!

[JoeB131]

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1) on 45K --- no but once you add the food stamps and consider (look it up yourself) section 8 housing 3 BR apt for $700.00 --- it sure can be done. Not a great living - but in researching this little project I found an individual who works for section 8 housing who claims Big Screen TVs and video gam systems as the norm in these homes. My wife works directly with low income homes and says that the TVs, video games, and autos are in the same ball-park as our own. No proof for evidence in that I'll admit, but I am a pretty honest person.

I think it's kind of silly to measure someone's standard of living by their TV and Video Game system. Even assuming they weren't being money smart, the fact is, those things are one-time expenses.

3) Don't bring the GOP and their message into this, please, this thread can remain objective if we refrain from getting too much into ideology, and focus on the legitimate issue.


We all can see this is an issue. The question is (from this "righty") what can we do to keep this from going another 3 generations? Exponential growth would then put that one family into the TENS of THOUSANDS of people who work the system and will only vote for more free stuff....

How about the right regaining respect for those who ARE working for a living? I don't like paying the tax rate I pay on my decidedly middle class income, which have gone up 4% between Fat Quinn raising the income tax and the SSI tax break vanishing. But I also don't like my employer who has used the recession as an excuse to give me minimal raises over that same period.

Here's the problem. In my father's generation, people had good paying jobs, even if they didn't go to college, because they had a union that secured a good wage and we had a government that protected our industries from unfair foreign competition. And the guy on the Dressage Pony decided that was wrong, he wasn't getting enough of the money. And guys like me got knocked down to "Struggling to get by" while yeah, you had people who figured out how to game the system.

Again- if you take someone's ability to earn for himself away, he's not going to obediently starve on principle. He's going to do whatever he has to in order to get help. And then he's going to totally vote for more of that.

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There is a tipping point and I can assure you that there are MANY more than one family who are using this technique and it's not just in Illinios either...

We need to solve this issue in a bi-partisan method --- and fixing it will cost the dems votes. Gonna be hard to get the democrats to solve a problem that increases their constituancy ---- keeping in mind there IS a tipping point (the cart gets too big to pull).

But again, whose fault is that? Frankly, the thing is, even with the "generous" welfare payments, the vast majority of wealth since 1980 has shifted to the top, not the bottom.

 

[Obamanation]

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1) on 45K --- no but once you add the food stamps and consider (look it up yourself) section 8 housing 3 BR apt for $700.00 --- it sure can be done. Not a great living - but in researching this little project I found an individual who works for section 8 housing who claims Big Screen TVs and video gam systems as the norm in these homes. My wife works directly with low income homes and says that the TVs, video games, and autos are in the same ball-park as our own. No proof for evidence in that I'll admit, but I am a pretty honest person.

I think it's kind of silly to measure someone's standard of living by their TV and Video Game system. Even assuming they weren't being money smart, the fact is, those things are one-time expenses.

3) Don't bring the GOP and their message into this, please, this thread can remain objective if we refrain from getting too much into ideology, and focus on the legitimate issue.


We all can see this is an issue. The question is (from this "righty") what can we do to keep this from going another 3 generations? Exponential growth would then put that one family into the TENS of THOUSANDS of people who work the system and will only vote for more free stuff....

How about the right regaining respect for those who ARE working for a living? I don't like paying the tax rate I pay on my decidedly middle class income, which have gone up 4% between Fat Quinn raising the income tax and the SSI tax break vanishing. But I also don't like my employer who has used the recession as an excuse to give me minimal raises over that same period.

Here's the problem. In my father's generation, people had good paying jobs, even if they didn't go to college, because they had a union that secured a good wage and we had a government that protected our industries from unfair foreign competition. And the guy on the Dressage Pony decided that was wrong, he wasn't getting enough of the money. And guys like me got knocked down to "Struggling to get by" while yeah, you had people who figured out how to game the system.

Again- if you take someone's ability to earn for himself away, he's not going to obediently starve on principle. He's going to do whatever he has to in order to get help. And then he's going to totally vote for more of that.

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There is a tipping point and I can assure you that there are MANY more than one family who are using this technique and it's not just in Illinios either...

We need to solve this issue in a bi-partisan method --- and fixing it will cost the dems votes. Gonna be hard to get the democrats to solve a problem that increases their constituancy ---- keeping in mind there IS a tipping point (the cart gets too big to pull).

But again, whose fault is that? Frankly, the thing is, even with the "generous" welfare payments, the vast majority of wealth since 1980 has shifted to the top, not the bottom.

So, you answer is to ---- what, instruct Americans that since you can live as nicely as the working middle class while not working.... GO FOR IT!!! Because when you run out of other peoples money to spend IT WON'T BE YOUR FAULT!!!

---you see, this is why the argument from the left always falls totally apart. You are all wrried about placing the blame and not fixing the problems. You can't just take money from the rich --- there isn't enough money in the hands of the rich to fix the problems. If you took 100% of the riches income --- It wouldn't fix ANYTHING!!! Why? Because it still wouldn;t pay for the liberal social transformation that is taking over this country from the BOTTOM, UP!!!!

 

[JoeB131]

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So, you answer is to ---- what, instruct Americans that since you can live as nicely as the working middle class while not working.... GO FOR IT!!! Because when you run out of other peoples money to spend IT WON'T BE YOUR FAULT!!!

---you see, this is why the argument from the left always falls totally apart. You are all wrried about placing the blame and not fixing the problems. You can't just take money from the rich --- there isn't enough money in the hands of the rich to fix the problems. If you took 100% of the riches income --- It wouldn't fix ANYTHING!!! Why? Because it still wouldn;t pay for the liberal social transformation that is taking over this country from the BOTTOM, UP!!!!

Guy, the fact is, if we had fair wealth distribution, we wouldn't have the problems we have.

Only America still thinks that people earning 8 figure salaries for ruining their companies is a real plan.

Let's be honest about what welfare is, it's "Please don't have riots and kill us" money. It's an opiate. Becuase as long as they have the widescreen you whine about incessantly, they aren't out there demanding stuff in riots like they were in the 1960's.

 

[RoadVirus]

Do you really think that anyone can support 8 kids on 45K a year? Or find a decent place to live for 9 people on $500 a month?

Now, yeah, I think it is pretty awful that we have whole generations of people who don't understand what a paycheck is.

But the GOP riding in on a $70,000 Dressage Horse and telling us that the rest of us are too lazy is just the wrong messenger.

BIG difference right there, the owner of that horse could afford to have that horse. The fucking whore who drops one kid after another, without regard to her ability to support them should be forcibly sterilized and her spawn removed from her custody. If I have to support 'em, I will definitely want to have some say in how they are raised. Obviously, the fuck-factory that pushes out children irresponsibly is absolutely incapable of raising them to human status.

He can "afford" that horse because we live in a society that has an unequal distribution of wealth that is obscene. Not because he actually did the physical labor to earn $70,000 to buy a fucking dancing horsie.

"unequal distribution of wealth"

Here we go with the usual Libturd mantra.

 

[Flopper]

From the fact check: The typical monthly payment rates for licensed foster home care range from $384 to $471, depending on the age of the child. The monthly payment rates for unlicensed relative home care range from $286 to $310, depending on the county.

Provided the foster parent is licensed and all 8 kids are teenagers, it's $45,216/yr which of course is not the case. The more likely case would be a range of ages from 1 to 10 yrs old. In that case the payment would be $38,400/yr.

You would have to be nuts to devote 24 yours a day, 365 days a year to raising 8 kids plus enduring the pain and sacrifice of giving birth to those kids, all for $38,000/yr.

 

[Obamanation]

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So, you answer is to ---- what, instruct Americans that since you can live as nicely as the working middle class while not working.... GO FOR IT!!! Because when you run out of other peoples money to spend IT WON'T BE YOUR FAULT!!!

---you see, this is why the argument from the left always falls totally apart. You are all wrried about placing the blame and not fixing the problems. You can't just take money from the rich --- there isn't enough money in the hands of the rich to fix the problems. If you took 100% of the riches income --- It wouldn't fix ANYTHING!!! Why? Because it still wouldn;t pay for the liberal social transformation that is taking over this country from the BOTTOM, UP!!!!

Guy, the fact is, if we had fair wealth distribution, we wouldn't have the problems we have.

Only America still thinks that people earning 8 figure salaries for ruining their companies is a real plan.

Let's be honest about what welfare is, it's "Please don't have riots and kill us" money. It's an opiate. Becuase as long as they have the widescreen you whine about incessantly, they aren't out there demanding stuff in riots like they were in the 1960's.

Fair wealth distribution has never existed in ANY society, EVER!!!! It is an unrealistic pipe dream that leads to upheaval and the end of a society.

If you have a plan, start the thread. Be fair and honest in your assessments, and I will be more than happy to listen. However, be prepared --- socialism is not an acceptable solution because sooner, rather than later, you WILL run out of OPM (other peoples money) to drive the system.

...and I can't believe that the US left doesn't believe in their own ideology and that the only reason they do the things they do is fear of rioting...

Do you really believe that Hillary and Obama sit around and say --- "well, FAIR is really making slothful Americans accountable for their own lives, as well as punishing the rich for their success, but if we ask the sloths to step up they are going to roit so we are only going to punish the rich!!"??????

 

[Obamanation]

From the fact check: The typical monthly payment rates for licensed foster home care range from $384 to $471, depending on the age of the child. The monthly payment rates for unlicensed relative home care range from $286 to $310, depending on the county.

Provided the foster parent is licensed and all 8 kids are teenagers, it's $45,216/yr which of course is not the case. The more likely case would be a range of ages from 1 to 10 yrs old. In that case the payment would be $38,400/yr.

You would have to be nuts to devote 24 yours a day, 365 days a year to raising 8 kids plus enduring the pain and sacrifice of giving birth to those kids, all for $38,000/yr.

Exactly, why do you think it's the Obama masses who behave that way???

Damn right!!!

 

[Againsheila]

Bread Winner… Making Babies!

I was speaking to an emergency room physician this morning. He told me that a woman in her 20s came to the ER with her 8th pregnancy. She stated, "my momma told me that I am the breadwinner for the family."

He asked her to explain. She said that she can make babies and babies get money for the family. The scam goes like this: The grandma calls the Department of Child and Family Services and states that the unemployed daughter is not capable of caring for these children. DCFS agrees and states that the child or children will need to go to foster care. The grandma then volunteers to be the foster parent, and thus receives a check for $1500 per child per month in Illinois. Total yearly income: $144,000 tax-free, not to mention free healthcare (Medicaid) plus a monthly card entitling her to free groceries, etc, and a voucher for 250 free cell phone minutes per month. This does not even include WIC and other welfare programs. Indeed, grandma was correct in that her fertile daughter is the "breadwinner" for the family.

This is how the ruling class spends our tax dollars.

Sebastian J. Ciancio, M.D. Urologist, Danville Polyclinic, LTD

And these will be eight more votes for a liberal government!


OK, after factcheck G-ma; with 8 babies really only makes $45,000.00 per year, plus O-phone, food stamps, section 8 housing at $500-$1000 per month (I looked that up as section 8 rentals in Ill.).

FactCheck.org : Fostering a Fortune?

...and how many children will those 8 children have that work the system the same way? These programs became big in the 1960's - a conservative estimate shows 3 full generations would now be about 250 girls playing that game --- and as many 500 new votes for the Dem party --- all from one family in the 60's --- hmmm

Talk about a stacked deck... how long til we reach the tipping point??

Meanwhile I have a severely autistic son that makes a little more than $600 a month and has been on the waiting list for section 8 housing for almost 2 years. Thank God he's in a non-profit organization that's providing him with housing etc. Plus, the state, which would not provide him with a behavioral therapist or psychiatrist, etc, while he was home does so now that he's in an apartment with another disabled young man and 24/7 care. My son is better off now and costing the state a lot more money. It would have been a lot cheaper for them to provide the 24/7 care in our home but that's against the state law.

 

[Obamanation]

Oh, and [MENTION=31057]JoeB131[/MENTION] --- You really think it's FAIR for the slothful Americans to have easy access to big flat-screen TVs and X-Boxes when there are HARD WORKING Americans who are forced to do without because they are still trying to be responsible and accountable citizens???

Yeah, you guys all want to talk about fair when you compare freeloaders to the RICH! Where is fair for the people who work their asses off only to give 25% of their income to making sure those lazy bastards get their fancy TVs and video games!!!

Hypocracy from the left is NEVERENDING!!!

 

[Obamanation]

Bread Winner… Making Babies!

I was speaking to an emergency room physician this morning. He told me that a woman in her 20s came to the ER with her 8th pregnancy. She stated, "my momma told me that I am the breadwinner for the family."

He asked her to explain. She said that she can make babies and babies get money for the family. The scam goes like this: The grandma calls the Department of Child and Family Services and states that the unemployed daughter is not capable of caring for these children. DCFS agrees and states that the child or children will need to go to foster care. The grandma then volunteers to be the foster parent, and thus receives a check for $1500 per child per month in Illinois. Total yearly income: $144,000 tax-free, not to mention free healthcare (Medicaid) plus a monthly card entitling her to free groceries, etc, and a voucher for 250 free cell phone minutes per month. This does not even include WIC and other welfare programs. Indeed, grandma was correct in that her fertile daughter is the "breadwinner" for the family.

This is how the ruling class spends our tax dollars.

Sebastian J. Ciancio, M.D. Urologist, Danville Polyclinic, LTD

And these will be eight more votes for a liberal government!


OK, after factcheck G-ma; with 8 babies really only makes $45,000.00 per year, plus O-phone, food stamps, section 8 housing at $500-$1000 per month (I looked that up as section 8 rentals in Ill.).

FactCheck.org : Fostering a Fortune?

...and how many children will those 8 children have that work the system the same way? These programs became big in the 1960's - a conservative estimate shows 3 full generations would now be about 250 girls playing that game --- and as many 500 new votes for the Dem party --- all from one family in the 60's --- hmmm

Talk about a stacked deck... how long til we reach the tipping point??

Meanwhile I have a severely autistic son that makes a little more than $600 a month and has been on the waiting list for section 8 housing for almost 2 years. Thank God he's in a non-profit organization that's providing him with housing etc. Plus, the state, which would not provide him with a behavioral therapist or psychiatrist, etc, while he was home does so now that he's in an apartment with another disabled young man and 24/7 care. My son is better off now and costing the state a lot more money. It would have been a lot cheaper for them to provide the 24/7 care in our home but that's against the state law.

You are EXACTLY RIGHT!!! No reason AT ALL you should have to suffer. There are genuine needs like the one you are describing who have to stand in line because of all those worrthless people clogging up the system where people who really NEED and DESERVE help are forced to go without!

It's a terrible shame and Americans should be pissed as HELL about it!!

 

[Flopper]

It sounds like nobody has any idea of what it cost to raise kids today. The amount paid per child includes only lodging, food, and clothing and that's all most foster homes provide. There's no money for Christmas or birthday presents, toys, field trips, movies, allowances, school activities, tutoring, counseling, summer camps, and a thousand other things that are part of kids daily lives today.

The sad fact is there are many people who either don't give a shit about their kids or are incapable of supporting them. If you deny social services, they will dump the kids on neighbors, aging parents, or put them out on the streets. The welfare moms described in this thread are on welfare not because there're just lazy. They're addicted to drugs and alcohol, mental or physically impaired, constantly in trouble with law, illiterate, or lacking any job skills. These people will not find a job to support the kids regardless of whether they get welfare or not. You might think it's better for the kids and cheaper for the taxpayer to make them wards of the state but that's not so.

 

[yidnar]

If this is true, it is obviously bad.

But if you imagine that WELFARE is the problem effecting this nation's economy, you are simply NOT very well informed.

i hate to be the bearer of bad news ,but it's true !! i have met people that do this !!

 

[P@triot]

If this is true, it is obviously bad.

But if you imagine that WELFARE is the problem effecting this nation's economy, you are simply NOT very well informed.

We spend over $1 trillion per year on the welfare "umbrella". If you don't think it's crippling this nations economy, you are simply NOT very well informed. At all...

 

[Obamanation]

It sounds like nobody has any idea of what it cost to raise kids today. The amount paid per child includes only lodging, food, and clothing and that's all most foster homes provide. There's no money for Christmas or birthday presents, toys, field trips, movies, allowances, school activities, tutoring, counseling, summer camps, and a thousand other things that are part of kids daily lives today.

The sad fact is there are many people who either don't give a shit about their kids or are incapable of supporting them. If you deny social services, they will dump the kids on neighbors, aging parents, or put them out on the streets. The welfare moms described in this thread are on welfare not because there're just lazy. They're addicted to drugs and alcohol, mental or physically impaired, constantly in trouble with law, illiterate, or lacking any job skills. These people will not find a job to support the kids regardless of whether they get welfare or not. You might think it's better for the kids and cheaper for the taxpayer to make them wards of the state but that's not so.

You really should READ the thread before posting in it. These people get section 8 housing and food stamps PER CHILD.

Denying that the problem exists is why the problem exists...

Wake up or grow up.

 

[Dutch]

Yes, welfare queens are the problem. Only the welfare queens are in the military industrial complex.7 absurd ways the military wastes taxpayer dollars - Salon.com

According to*journalist Nick Turse, “The U.S. Army paid $71,614 [in 2004] to the Arizona Golf Resort — located in sunny Riyadh, Saudi Arabia,… The resort actually boasts an entire entertainment complex, complete with a water-slide-enhanced megapool, gym, bowling alley, horse stables, roller hockey rink, arcade, amphitheater, restaurant, and even a cappuccino bar — not to mention the golf course and a driving range.”

DoD’s Sungnam golf course in the Republic of Korea, meanwhile, is reportedly valued at $26 million.

For non-golfers, the military also maintains a*ski lodge and resort in the Bavarian Alps, which opened in 2004 and cost $80 million.

 

[Obamanation]

Yes, welfare queens are the problem. Only the welfare queens are in the military industrial complex.7 absurd ways the military wastes taxpayer dollars - Salon.com

According to*journalist Nick Turse, “The U.S. Army paid $71,614 [in 2004] to the Arizona Golf Resort — located in sunny Riyadh, Saudi Arabia,… The resort actually boasts an entire entertainment complex, complete with a water-slide-enhanced megapool, gym, bowling alley, horse stables, roller hockey rink, arcade, amphitheater, restaurant, and even a cappuccino bar — not to mention the golf course and a driving range.”

DoD’s Sungnam golf course in the Republic of Korea, meanwhile, is reportedly valued at $26 million.

For non-golfers, the military also maintains a*ski lodge and resort in the Bavarian Alps, which opened in 2004 and cost $80 million.

Great... start a Thread!!! Don't hijack this one asshole...

WOW!! Lefties will try anything to deflect away from legitimate problems...

 

[Againsheila]

It sounds like nobody has any idea of what it cost to raise kids today. The amount paid per child includes only lodging, food, and clothing and that's all most foster homes provide. There's no money for Christmas or birthday presents, toys, field trips, movies, allowances, school activities, tutoring, counseling, summer camps, and a thousand other things that are part of kids daily lives today.

The sad fact is there are many people who either don't give a shit about their kids or are incapable of supporting them. If you deny social services, they will dump the kids on neighbors, aging parents, or put them out on the streets. The welfare moms described in this thread are on welfare not because there're just lazy. They're addicted to drugs and alcohol, mental or physically impaired, constantly in trouble with law, illiterate, or lacking any job skills. These people will not find a job to support the kids regardless of whether they get welfare or not. You might think it's better for the kids and cheaper for the taxpayer to make them wards of the state but that's not so.

I think that in some cases possibly many cases it is better to remove the parental rights and make them adoptable. I know a woman whose sister had 7 kids on welfare. She was a prostitute (the mother of the 7 kids, not the woman I knew). Anyway, this woman, my neighbor took baby number 7 in from birth. When she was two years old, having known only one mom and that home for all her life, a mutual neighbor found out the biological mom was still collecting welfare for that child. She reported it, even got me to witness it. I was sorry afterward. Social Services answer was to removed that child from the only home she'd ever known and give her back to a prostitute drug user with 6 other kids who never even bothered to visit the child once in her first 2 years of life.

IMO, the answer should have been to terminate the parent's rights and let the sister adopt the child she was raising as her own.

 

[thereisnospoon]

If this is true, it is obviously bad.

But if you imagine that WELFARE is the problem effecting this nation's economy, you are simply NOT very well informed.

Welfare in and of itself is not the problem, It is the lack of oversight and enforcement of fraud statutes that allow these baby making machines to game the system.
We're all supposed to feel sorry for them, shut up or be labeled a racist and keep paying.
BTW, that is not a family. It's a LITTER...

 

[Flopper]

If this is true, it is obviously bad.

But if you imagine that WELFARE is the problem effecting this nation's economy, you are simply NOT very well informed.

We spend over $1 trillion per year on the welfare "umbrella". If you don't think it's crippling this nations economy, you are simply NOT very well informed. At all...

This 1 trillion dollar welfare umbrella, about what we spend on entertainment each year comes from federal, state, and local spending which totals 6.628 trillion dollars which means we are spending 15.08% of all government spending on the welfare umbrella.

 

[thereisnospoon]

OK, after factcheck G-ma; with 8 babies really only makes $45,000.00 per year, plus O-phone, food stamps, section 8 housing at $500-$1000 per month (I looked that up as section 8 rentals in Ill.).

Do you really think that anyone can support 8 kids on 45K a year? Or find a decent place to live for 9 people on $500 a month?

Now, yeah, I think it is pretty awful that we have whole generations of people who don't understand what a paycheck is.

But the GOP riding in on a $70,000 Dressage Horse and telling us that the rest of us are too lazy is just the wrong messenger.

That is NOT the point you liberal partisan rock head. This little pants off at the drop of hat baby making slut and her 400lb grandma are gaming the system. They are CRIMINALS. They are committing FRAUD.

"But the GOP riding in on a $70,000 Dressage Horse and telling us that the rest of us are too lazy is just the wrong messenger".....Hey genius, big difference. The horse owner EARNED the money to pay for that animal. Oh, is it your contention there are no wealthy liberals ( Bill Gates, George Soros, Kennedys, Heinz-Kerry) OOPS..
Yiu are one ignorant fool. Now that you've successfully stomped on your own dick, SHUT THE FUCK UP.