Breaking: 9th Circuit Issues Ruling Not To Protect America's Sovereignty

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

There were several grounds for the Court to dismiss the stay, most glaringly that nowhere in the opinion does this Court deal with the statute that gives the president the authority to issue this ban, but this is the most liberal Court in the US, read most anti Trump, and both the Seattle Court and the Appellate Court made rulings based on politics rather than standing law.

Look like the evidence you claim is missing. I suggest you do some research, start here:

U.S. Visa Law, Regulation, and Policy Basics

Terrorism-Related Inadmissibility Grounds (TRIG)

Read carefully, and consider how the trump nominees can and likely will act politically, and not in the best interest of our nation or those non citizens in harms way.

You know how to post a link but apparently you don't understand the articles you are posting. Here is the law the Seattle judge and the Appellate Court chose to ignore.

"(f)Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President


Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate."

8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens

Clearly, these are judges who have decided to abandon their legal responsibilities and tried to legislate from the bench.

On what basis has the President made such a determination? You're not on a war footing with any of these nations. You haven't been attacked by anyone from these countries. Does the President even know what he's doing with this ban. The courts are correct in asking all of these questions, in light of the President's oft-stated preference for halting Muslim immigration.

Under the law, the courts have no jurisdiction to question the President on this issue.

(f)Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President


Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens

Clearly, these are rogue judges who have chosen to ignore the law for political reasons.

God JESUS we've dumbed ourselves down. LOL

Since Syria was listed among those nations in the ban, yet the left and these judicial judges don't see a threat that supports a need for a [pause] and increased vetting, then why are we going through so much trouble to bring Syrian refugees into this country? Apparently, according to the left, there is no threat that exists to bring any sense of urgency to their situation. Let these refugees simply stay where they are, as there is no apparent crisis nor threat due to this recent "clarification" from the left. Why bother?

Do we yet see how liberals can't have it both ways, when it comes to this need for an immigrant / refugee resettlement surge into this country?

 

[GaryDog]

Look like the evidence you claim is missing. I suggest you do some research, start here:

U.S. Visa Law, Regulation, and Policy Basics

Terrorism-Related Inadmissibility Grounds (TRIG)

Read carefully, and consider how the trump nominees can and likely will act politically, and not in the best interest of our nation or those non citizens in harms way.

You know how to post a link but apparently you don't understand the articles you are posting. Here is the law the Seattle judge and the Appellate Court chose to ignore.

"(f)Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President


Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate."

8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens

Clearly, these are judges who have decided to abandon their legal responsibilities and tried to legislate from the bench.

On what basis has the President made such a determination? You're not on a war footing with any of these nations. You haven't been attacked by anyone from these countries. Does the President even know what he's doing with this ban. The courts are correct in asking all of these questions, in light of the President's oft-stated preference for halting Muslim immigration.

Under the law, the courts have no jurisdiction to question the President on this issue.

(f)Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President


Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens

Clearly, these are rogue judges who have chosen to ignore the law for political reasons.

So you're for suspending judicial review whenever the prez feels like it?

LMAO, move to North Korea, asshole.

. Nothing wrong with judicial review as long as it is the right judicial review.. Hell Trump may have faired better with North Korean judges, because what we have on the 9th are worse than the North Korean judges are while in their activist roles. Does anyone recognize their country anymore ?





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You can't single out one religion for denial of previously valid visas and green cards.

Sorry. This is a country of laws. Your racism and bigotry doesn't rule the land.

 

[GaryDog]

U.S. appeals court upholds suspension of Trump travel ban



SCOTUS is the likely final word, and I can't imagine they'll get the 5-3 margin they need to overturn the 9th circuit.

9th Circus Court is overturned 80% of the time by SCOTUS; Trump will likely go for it.

This is such a clear case of the President doing what the Constitution and the legal code give him express authority to do, and the judiciary system has ZERO jurisdiction of foreign affairs by the constitution.

The 9th Circus Court needs to be broken up and plowed under and salt sewn across the rubble.

You would think the Supreme Court would get tired of seeing yet another case come down from this court. When you see three judges who, in their 21 page document decision, can't even site a single piece of legislation to back their interpretation of the case ... it speaks volumes to their judicial integrity and ability. Who could take their judicial role seriously with that kind of record?

Uh, the Supreme Court is almost GUARANTEED to affirm the 9th circuit. Blame the shitty executive order by your incompetent president.

. I don't know, they might just throw the ruling up on the trash pile with the other 86% of cases in which the court had been turned around on in it's idiocy.

You're right, you don't know. But that won't stop your ignorant ass from opining, will it?

 

[beagle9]

That would imply that Trump fucked up and we all know that's just not impossible. What he should do is make the EO apply only to new visas. It would eliminate most of the problems.

It's not about visas. Congress can pass a law regarding visas if they like. This is about a travel restriction of people who may already have visas. That's why the visa laws don't apply.

There was confusion in the roll-out. I will give you that. They should have waited until Sessions was in place and had his SG in place before issuing this EO. I personally think this was some of Bannon's doings. A lot of these people don't know what the hell they're doing but the EO was constitutionally sound, other presidents have used the exact same statute to do the exact same thing, there's never been a problem with it before.

The court did not agree with you. Trump's order violates due process rights established under the Fifth Amendment. The administration has said foreigners have few rights to force their way into the country, however, Due Process is one of them. Legal residents of the United States who were being blocked by the order have a right to due process. Had the EO, given notice of the ban and established a process for US visa holder abroad to request a hearing, the due process requirement would have been satisfied.

The smart thing for Trump to do is to tear up this EO, get some real legal help, and issue one that does not violate constitutional rights, that applies only to new Visas being issued.

However, Trump has decide to fight it out in court. Apparently he's blind to the political and PR backlash that will result from US residents being stranded overseas, people with jobs that can't return, parents separated from their children, college students unable to complete their education, etc... There would certainly be retaliation, possibly the terrorist attacks Trump fears and retaliation by other countries.

. Is it Trump's EO that is the problem or is it the left who are still in many positions of government implementing the order incorrectly, and interpreting the order incorrectly ?? Just because Trump became president doesn't mean that the left has lost all government power right ? So is this all a case of the left undermining Trump again or is the EO just badly done ??

 

[jc456]

That would imply that Trump fucked up and we all know that's just not impossible. What he should do is make the EO apply only to new visas. It would eliminate most of the problems.

It's not about visas. Congress can pass a law regarding visas if they like. This is about a travel restriction of people who may already have visas. That's why the visa laws don't apply.

There was confusion in the roll-out. I will give you that. They should have waited until Sessions was in place and had his SG in place before issuing this EO. I personally think this was some of Bannon's doings. A lot of these people don't know what the hell they're doing but the EO was constitutionally sound, other presidents have used the exact same statute to do the exact same thing, there's never been a problem with it before.

The court did not agree with you. Trump's order violates due process rights established under the Fifth Amendment. The administration has said foreigners have few rights to force their way into the country, however, Due Process is one of them. Legal residents of the United States who were being blocked by the order have a right to due process. Had the EO, given notice of the ban and established a process for US visa holder abroad to request a hearing, the due process requirement would have been satisfied.

The smart thing for Trump to do is to tear up this EO, get some real legal help, and issue one that does not violate constitutional rights, that applies only to new Visas being issued.

However, Trump has decide to fight it out in court. Apparently he's blind to the political and PR backlash that will result from US residents being stranded overseas, people with jobs that can't return, parents separated from their children, college students unable to complete their education, etc... There would certainly be retaliation, possibly the terrorist attacks Trump fears and retaliation by other countries.

no ..... no it did not bubba. otherwise bombing a foreign country would mean they could sue us for the bombing. is that what you'd like?

 

[beagle9]

You know how to post a link but apparently you don't understand the articles you are posting. Here is the law the Seattle judge and the Appellate Court chose to ignore.

"(f)Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President


Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate."

8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens

Clearly, these are judges who have decided to abandon their legal responsibilities and tried to legislate from the bench.

On what basis has the President made such a determination? You're not on a war footing with any of these nations. You haven't been attacked by anyone from these countries. Does the President even know what he's doing with this ban. The courts are correct in asking all of these questions, in light of the President's oft-stated preference for halting Muslim immigration.

Under the law, the courts have no jurisdiction to question the President on this issue.

(f)Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President


Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens

Clearly, these are rogue judges who have chosen to ignore the law for political reasons.

So you're for suspending judicial review whenever the prez feels like it?

LMAO, move to North Korea, asshole.

. Nothing wrong with judicial review as long as it is the right judicial review.. Hell Trump may have faired better with North Korean judges, because what we have on the 9th are worse than the North Korean judges are while in their activist roles. Does anyone recognize their country anymore ?





.

You can't single out one religion for denial of previously valid visas and green cards.

Sorry. This is a country of laws. Your racism and bigotry doesn't rule the land.

. Your race card/bigot card is outdated... Need to get it recertified by Nancy Pelosi and the crew.

 

[toomuchtime_]

You know how to post a link but apparently you don't understand the articles you are posting. Here is the law the Seattle judge and the Appellate Court chose to ignore.

"(f)Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President


Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate."

8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens

Clearly, these are judges who have decided to abandon their legal responsibilities and tried to legislate from the bench.

On what basis has the President made such a determination? You're not on a war footing with any of these nations. You haven't been attacked by anyone from these countries. Does the President even know what he's doing with this ban. The courts are correct in asking all of these questions, in light of the President's oft-stated preference for halting Muslim immigration.

Under the law, the courts have no jurisdiction to question the President on this issue.

(f)Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President


Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens

Clearly, these are rogue judges who have chosen to ignore the law for political reasons.

So you're for suspending judicial review whenever the prez feels like it?

LMAO, move to North Korea, asshole.

. Nothing wrong with judicial review as long as it is the right judicial review.. Hell Trump may have faired better with North Korean judges, because what we have on the 9th are worse than the North Korean judges are while in their activist roles. Does anyone recognize their country anymore ?





.

You can't single out one religion for denial of previously valid visas and green cards.

Sorry. This is a country of laws. Your racism and bigotry doesn't rule the land.

Of course that is a fraudulent claim. There are over forty Muslim majority countries that are no effected by the ban.

 

[jc456]

U.S. appeals court upholds suspension of Trump travel ban



SCOTUS is the likely final word, and I can't imagine they'll get the 5-3 margin they need to overturn the 9th circuit.

9th Circus Court is overturned 80% of the time by SCOTUS; Trump will likely go for it.

This is such a clear case of the President doing what the Constitution and the legal code give him express authority to do, and the judiciary system has ZERO jurisdiction of foreign affairs by the constitution.

The 9th Circus Court needs to be broken up and plowed under and salt sewn across the rubble.

You would think the Supreme Court would get tired of seeing yet another case come down from this court. When you see three judges who, in their 21 page document decision, can't even site a single piece of legislation to back their interpretation of the case ... it speaks volumes to their judicial integrity and ability. Who could take their judicial role seriously with that kind of record?

Uh, the Supreme Court is almost GUARANTEED to affirm the 9th circuit. Blame the shitty executive order by your incompetent president.

. I don't know, they might just throw the ruling up on the trash pile with the other 86% of cases in which the court had been turned around on in it's idiocy.

You're right, you don't know. But that won't stop your ignorant ass from opining, will it?

exactly, know why? come on now, you can say 1st amendment right?

 

[jillian]

Look like the evidence you claim is missing. I suggest you do some research, start here:

U.S. Visa Law, Regulation, and Policy Basics

Terrorism-Related Inadmissibility Grounds (TRIG)

Read carefully, and consider how the trump nominees can and likely will act politically, and not in the best interest of our nation or those non citizens in harms way.

You know how to post a link but apparently you don't understand the articles you are posting. Here is the law the Seattle judge and the Appellate Court chose to ignore.

"(f)Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President


Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate."

8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens

Clearly, these are judges who have decided to abandon their legal responsibilities and tried to legislate from the bench.

On what basis has the President made such a determination? You're not on a war footing with any of these nations. You haven't been attacked by anyone from these countries. Does the President even know what he's doing with this ban. The courts are correct in asking all of these questions, in light of the President's oft-stated preference for halting Muslim immigration.

Under the law, the courts have no jurisdiction to question the President on this issue.

(f)Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President


Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens

Clearly, these are rogue judges who have chosen to ignore the law for political reasons.

God JESUS we've dumbed ourselves down. LOL

Since Syria was listed among those nations in the ban, yet the left and these judicial judges don't see a threat that supports a need for a [pause] and increased vetting, then why are we going through so much trouble to bring Syrian refugees into this country? Apparently, according to the left, there is no threat that exists to bring any sense of urgency to their situation. Let these refugees simply stay where they are, as there is no apparent crisis nor threat due to this recent "clarification" from the left. Why bother?

Do we yet see how liberals can't have it both ways, when it comes to this need for an immigrant / refugee resettlement surge into this country?

what is a "judicial judge"?

it is a judge. idiota.

you miss the point.... you cannot ban a religion. you can pretend it's about location, but your orange sociopath repeatedly said he wanted a preference for christians.

oops.

 

[beagle9]

You know how to post a link but apparently you don't understand the articles you are posting. Here is the law the Seattle judge and the Appellate Court chose to ignore.

"(f)Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President


Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate."

8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens

Clearly, these are judges who have decided to abandon their legal responsibilities and tried to legislate from the bench.

On what basis has the President made such a determination? You're not on a war footing with any of these nations. You haven't been attacked by anyone from these countries. Does the President even know what he's doing with this ban. The courts are correct in asking all of these questions, in light of the President's oft-stated preference for halting Muslim immigration.

Under the law, the courts have no jurisdiction to question the President on this issue.

(f)Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President


Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens

Clearly, these are rogue judges who have chosen to ignore the law for political reasons.

God JESUS we've dumbed ourselves down. LOL

Since Syria was listed among those nations in the ban, yet the left and these judicial judges don't see a threat that supports a need for a [pause] and increased vetting, then why are we going through so much trouble to bring Syrian refugees into this country? Apparently, according to the left, there is no threat that exists to bring any sense of urgency to their situation. Let these refugees simply stay where they are, as there is no apparent crisis nor threat due to this recent "clarification" from the left. Why bother?

Do we yet see how liberals can't have it both ways, when it comes to this need for an immigrant / refugee resettlement surge into this country?

what is a "judicial judge"?

it is a judge. idiota.

you miss the point.... you cannot ban a religion. you can pretend it's about location, but your orange sociopath repeatedly said he wanted a preference for christians.

oops.

. You sure can ban a religion if the religion is incompatible with your country, it's ideology, values, standards etc. Otherwise if attacked by people, and those people claim they are doing so because their religion tells them to attack you, then you sure can ban the religion that motivates people to become terrorist, and then attack you, and then kill you.

 

[L.K.Eder]

i get that mcracist was first with his thread but i would still like to point out that the thread title is kind of, you know, not entirely accurate. not that anyone cares in trumpistan. just for the record. lol

 

[beagle9]

i get that mcracist was first with his thread but i would still like to point out that the thread title is kind of, you know, not entirely accurate. not that anyone cares in trumpistan. just for the record. lol

. Maybe he meant Security ?? The two are not really to different because both have to be protected in order to have a country.

 

[L.K.Eder]

i get that mcracist was first with his thread but i would still like to point out that the thread title is kind of, you know, not entirely accurate. not that anyone cares in trumpistan. just for the record. lol

. Maybe he meant Security ?? The two are not really to different because both have to be protected in order to have a country.

yeah, maybe. who knows. it can't be a lie though, so we will find a way to trumpsplain it. no worries

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

U.S. appeals court upholds suspension of Trump travel ban



SCOTUS is the likely final word, and I can't imagine they'll get the 5-3 margin they need to overturn the 9th circuit.

9th Circus Court is overturned 80% of the time by SCOTUS; Trump will likely go for it.

This is such a clear case of the President doing what the Constitution and the legal code give him express authority to do, and the judiciary system has ZERO jurisdiction of foreign affairs by the constitution.

The 9th Circus Court needs to be broken up and plowed under and salt sewn across the rubble.

You would think the Supreme Court would get tired of seeing yet another case come down from this court. When you see three judges who, in their 21 page document decision, can't even site a single piece of legislation to back their interpretation of the case ... it speaks volumes to their judicial integrity and ability. Who could take their judicial role seriously with that kind of record?

Uh, the Supreme Court is almost GUARANTEED to affirm the 9th circuit. Blame the shitty executive order by your incompetent president.

Ummm ... based on what legal interpretation of the case? You see it's customary for justices to show in their decision brief their knowledge, understanding, and interpretive view of legal government documents and how these sections are being used (if properly) in implementing that particular executive order. These judges stayed clear of any such legal interpretation, as there was no Stare Decisis given in their 21 page decision presented on this case. I doubt many liberal judges touched on the term in law school, based on their formulated interpretive view on the duty of the court.

 

[GaryDog]

Look like the evidence you claim is missing. I suggest you do some research, start here:

U.S. Visa Law, Regulation, and Policy Basics

Terrorism-Related Inadmissibility Grounds (TRIG)

Read carefully, and consider how the trump nominees can and likely will act politically, and not in the best interest of our nation or those non citizens in harms way.

You know how to post a link but apparently you don't understand the articles you are posting. Here is the law the Seattle judge and the Appellate Court chose to ignore.

"(f)Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President


Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate."

8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens

Clearly, these are judges who have decided to abandon their legal responsibilities and tried to legislate from the bench.

On what basis has the President made such a determination? You're not on a war footing with any of these nations. You haven't been attacked by anyone from these countries. Does the President even know what he's doing with this ban. The courts are correct in asking all of these questions, in light of the President's oft-stated preference for halting Muslim immigration.

Under the law, the courts have no jurisdiction to question the President on this issue.

(f)Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President


Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens

Clearly, these are rogue judges who have chosen to ignore the law for political reasons.

God JESUS we've dumbed ourselves down. LOL

Since Syria was listed among those nations in the ban, yet the left and these judicial judges don't see a threat that supports a need for a [pause] and increased vetting, then why are we going through so much trouble to bring Syrian refugees into this country? Apparently, according to the left, there is no threat that exists to bring any sense of urgency to their situation. Let these refugees simply stay where they are, as there is no apparent crisis nor threat due to this recent "clarification" from the left. Why bother?

Do we yet see how liberals can't have it both ways, when it comes to this need for an immigrant / refugee resettlement surge into this country?

Refugees go through more thorough vetting than any immigration population. Denying entry to refugees is a violation of the geneva convention. You literally don't know what you're talking about.

That would imply that Trump fucked up and we all know that's just not impossible. What he should do is make the EO apply only to new visas. It would eliminate most of the problems.

It's not about visas. Congress can pass a law regarding visas if they like. This is about a travel restriction of people who may already have visas. That's why the visa laws don't apply.

There was confusion in the roll-out. I will give you that. They should have waited until Sessions was in place and had his SG in place before issuing this EO. I personally think this was some of Bannon's doings. A lot of these people don't know what the hell they're doing but the EO was constitutionally sound, other presidents have used the exact same statute to do the exact same thing, there's never been a problem with it before.

The court did not agree with you. Trump's order violates due process rights established under the Fifth Amendment. The administration has said foreigners have few rights to force their way into the country, however, Due Process is one of them. Legal residents of the United States who were being blocked by the order have a right to due process. Had the EO, given notice of the ban and established a process for US visa holder abroad to request a hearing, the due process requirement would have been satisfied.

The smart thing for Trump to do is to tear up this EO, get some real legal help, and issue one that does not violate constitutional rights, that applies only to new Visas being issued.

However, Trump has decide to fight it out in court. Apparently he's blind to the political and PR backlash that will result from US residents being stranded overseas, people with jobs that can't return, parents separated from their children, college students unable to complete their education, etc... There would certainly be retaliation, possibly the terrorist attacks Trump fears and retaliation by other countries.

. Is it Trump's EO that is the problem or is it the left who are still in many positions of government implementing the order incorrectly, and interpreting the order incorrectly ?? Just because Trump became president doesn't mean that the left has lost all government power right ? So is this all a case of the left undermining Trump again or is the EO just badly done ??

His EO is the problem. Hence the latest news is that he's considering drafting a new one, because the first one was so utterly fucked.

"The left undermining"? Huh? Are you fucking retarded?

The vast majority of federal employees are non-partisan. We're AMERICANS, you anti-American piece of shit.

 

[L.K.Eder]

U.S. appeals court upholds suspension of Trump travel ban



SCOTUS is the likely final word, and I can't imagine they'll get the 5-3 margin they need to overturn the 9th circuit.

9th Circus Court is overturned 80% of the time by SCOTUS; Trump will likely go for it.

This is such a clear case of the President doing what the Constitution and the legal code give him express authority to do, and the judiciary system has ZERO jurisdiction of foreign affairs by the constitution.

The 9th Circus Court needs to be broken up and plowed under and salt sewn across the rubble.

You would think the Supreme Court would get tired of seeing yet another case come down from this court. When you see three judges who, in their 21 page document decision, can't even site a single piece of legislation to back their interpretation of the case ... it speaks volumes to their judicial integrity and ability. Who could take their judicial role seriously with that kind of record?

Uh, the Supreme Court is almost GUARANTEED to affirm the 9th circuit. Blame the shitty executive order by your incompetent president.

Ummm ... based on what legal interpretation of the case? You see it's customary for justices to show in their decision brief their knowledge, understanding, and interpretive view of legal government documents and how these sections are being used (if properly) in implementing that particular executive order. These judges stayed clear of any such legal interpretation, as there was no Stare Decisis in their 21 page decision presented on this case. I doubt many liberal judges touched on the term in law school, based on their formulated interpretive view on the duty of the court.

maybe you can take over. you are clearly qualified.

 

[GaryDog]

U.S. appeals court upholds suspension of Trump travel ban



SCOTUS is the likely final word, and I can't imagine they'll get the 5-3 margin they need to overturn the 9th circuit.

9th Circus Court is overturned 80% of the time by SCOTUS; Trump will likely go for it.

This is such a clear case of the President doing what the Constitution and the legal code give him express authority to do, and the judiciary system has ZERO jurisdiction of foreign affairs by the constitution.

The 9th Circus Court needs to be broken up and plowed under and salt sewn across the rubble.

You would think the Supreme Court would get tired of seeing yet another case come down from this court. When you see three judges who, in their 21 page document decision, can't even site a single piece of legislation to back their interpretation of the case ... it speaks volumes to their judicial integrity and ability. Who could take their judicial role seriously with that kind of record?

Uh, the Supreme Court is almost GUARANTEED to affirm the 9th circuit. Blame the shitty executive order by your incompetent president.

Ummm ... based on what legal interpretation of the case? You see it's customary for justices to show in their decision brief their knowledge, understanding, and interpretive view of legal government documents and how these sections are being used (if properly) in implementing that particular executive order. These judges stayed clear of any such legal interpretation, as there was no Stare Decisis in their 21 page decision presented on this case. I doubt many liberal judges touched on the term in law school, based on their formulated interpretive view on the duty of the court.

Right, liberals know NOTHING of stare decisis. That's why Scalia ignored all prior 2nd amendment rulings in making up an imaginary "home defense" right in the 2nd Amendment?

The EO discriminated on the basis of religion, and invalidated green cards and visas on the basis of religion. That's an arbitrary denial of due process, and an arbitrary violation of equal protection.

I doubt most right-wing judges have heard of those terms.

 

[GaryDog]

i get that mcracist was first with his thread but i would still like to point out that the thread title is kind of, you know, not entirely accurate. not that anyone cares in trumpistan. just for the record. lol

. Maybe he meant Security ?? The two are not really to different because both have to be protected in order to have a country.

I'll give a shit what you say when you learn how to spell "too" correctly, you honky-tonk retard.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

You know how to post a link but apparently you don't understand the articles you are posting. Here is the law the Seattle judge and the Appellate Court chose to ignore.

"(f)Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President


Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate."

8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens

Clearly, these are judges who have decided to abandon their legal responsibilities and tried to legislate from the bench.

On what basis has the President made such a determination? You're not on a war footing with any of these nations. You haven't been attacked by anyone from these countries. Does the President even know what he's doing with this ban. The courts are correct in asking all of these questions, in light of the President's oft-stated preference for halting Muslim immigration.

Under the law, the courts have no jurisdiction to question the President on this issue.

(f)Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President


Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens

Clearly, these are rogue judges who have chosen to ignore the law for political reasons.

God JESUS we've dumbed ourselves down. LOL

Since Syria was listed among those nations in the ban, yet the left and these judicial judges don't see a threat that supports a need for a [pause] and increased vetting, then why are we going through so much trouble to bring Syrian refugees into this country? Apparently, according to the left, there is no threat that exists to bring any sense of urgency to their situation. Let these refugees simply stay where they are, as there is no apparent crisis nor threat due to this recent "clarification" from the left. Why bother?

Do we yet see how liberals can't have it both ways, when it comes to this need for an immigrant / refugee resettlement surge into this country?

Refugees go through more thorough vetting than any immigration population. Denying entry to refugees is a violation of the geneva convention. You literally don't know what you're talking about.

I'm sure you can site the specific worded Geneva code that forces a nation to accept displaced refugees in your response? I'm willing to bet you're talking out of your ass.

 

[Dim Bulb]

On what basis has the President made such a determination? You're not on a war footing with any of these nations. You haven't been attacked by anyone from these countries. Does the President even know what he's doing with this ban. The courts are correct in asking all of these questions, in light of the President's oft-stated preference for halting Muslim immigration.

Under the law, the courts have no jurisdiction to question the President on this issue.

(f)Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President


Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens

Clearly, these are rogue judges who have chosen to ignore the law for political reasons.

God JESUS we've dumbed ourselves down. LOL

Since Syria was listed among those nations in the ban, yet the left and these judicial judges don't see a threat that supports a need for a [pause] and increased vetting, then why are we going through so much trouble to bring Syrian refugees into this country? Apparently, according to the left, there is no threat that exists to bring any sense of urgency to their situation. Let these refugees simply stay where they are, as there is no apparent crisis nor threat due to this recent "clarification" from the left. Why bother?

Do we yet see how liberals can't have it both ways, when it comes to this need for an immigrant / refugee resettlement surge into this country?

what is a "judicial judge"?

it is a judge. idiota.

you miss the point.... you cannot ban a religion. you can pretend it's about location, but your orange sociopath repeatedly said he wanted a preference for christians.

oops.

. You sure can ban a religion if the religion is incompatible with your country, it's ideology, values, standards etc. Otherwise if attacked by people, and those people claim they are doing so because their religion tells them to attack you, then you sure can ban the religion that motivates people to become terrorist, and then attack you, and then kill you.

uh, what?