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I am not saying that Amazon is a government, as in Russia Yandex isn't a government. But from my point of view, Amazon is currently playing for one political party maybe it doesn't really matter, I think we'll see soon.You still don't understand.
Amazon isn't the government.
They aren't destroying or even limiting anyone's speech. They just aren't letting people use their platforms to spew hate, conspiracy theories, and insurgency.Complain as much as you want, it's still their front porch.
Okay. So Facebook can limit itself to grandchildren photo-posting, and Twitter to sports conversation.
Now: what about a site where people can actually say what they want to say? Are you up with the Big Three, Apple, Google, and Amazon, destroying Parler, and any other free speech site they can root out, like 4chan and reddit?
These folks are still welcome to vomit their hate from their own front porches.
What a coincidence after years online, that they found a violation within 24 hours of Trump being kicked off Twitter. Right on the same day. Amazeballs.They aren't destroying or even limiting anyone's speech. They just aren't letting people use their platforms to spew hate, conspiracy theories, and insurgency.Complain as much as you want, it's still their front porch.
Okay. So Facebook can limit itself to grandchildren photo-posting, and Twitter to sports conversation.
Now: what about a site where people can actually say what they want to say? Are you up with the Big Three, Apple, Google, and Amazon, destroying Parler, and any other free speech site they can root out, like 4chan and reddit?
These folks are still welcome to vomit their hate from their own front porches.
parler violated Amazon's Terms of Service.
parler agreed to follow those rules or be prevented from using the service.
parler violated the rules and their word to follow those rules so Amazon terminated the service. parler broke the contract they freely and legally signed.
So Amazon enforced their contract and terminated parler's accounts.
Amazon was completely within their rights and the law.
parler broke the contract and now is whining that they are suffering the consequences of breaking the contract.
No court of law in this nation will ever rule in favor of parler in this situation.
Which violation did they break.Show us the receipts.They aren't destroying or even limiting anyone's speech. They just aren't letting people use their platforms to spew hate, conspiracy theories, and insurgency.Complain as much as you want, it's still their front porch.
Okay. So Facebook can limit itself to grandchildren photo-posting, and Twitter to sports conversation.
Now: what about a site where people can actually say what they want to say? Are you up with the Big Three, Apple, Google, and Amazon, destroying Parler, and any other free speech site they can root out, like 4chan and reddit?
These folks are still welcome to vomit their hate from their own front porches.
parler violated Amazon's Terms of Service.
parler agreed to follow those rules or be prevented from using the service.
parler violated the rules and their word to follow those rules so Amazon terminated the service. parler broke the contract they freely and legally signed.
So Amazon enforced their contract and terminated parler's accounts.
Amazon was completely within their rights and the law.
parler broke the contract and now is whining that they are suffering the consequences of breaking the contract.
No court of law in this nation will ever rule in favor of parler in this situation.
Amazon doesn't have a monopoly on the internet.
Anyone can set up their own website and servers.
You seem to believe America is a communist nation.
We aren't.
I am not saying that Amazon is a government, as in Russia Yandex isn't a government. But from my point of view, Amazon is currently playing for one political party maybe it doesn't really matter, I think we'll see soon.You still don't understand.
Amazon isn't the government.
Ahem..if all that was true then explain why the President of Iran has a Facebook page, but the Walkaway movement is banned.I am not saying that Amazon is a government, as in Russia Yandex isn't a government. But from my point of view, Amazon is currently playing for one political party maybe it doesn't really matter, I think we'll see soon.You still don't understand.
Amazon isn't the government.
No, Amazon is playing to their own self interest.
Amazon can be held liable for allowing parler to stay on their platform while violating the TOS rules of the platform.
Amazon can be sued and stuck in court for years over it.
No jury in this nation would side with Amazon since Amazon didn't enforce their own rules.
So to keep from being sued big time, they started to enforce their own rules.
Amazon doesn't care who is our president beyond getting tax cuts and deregulation.
Inciting riots, posts of terrorism, war, violence aren't free speech and the government can prosecute people for inciting riots.
Just look up the Chicago 7 for some reference.
Not enforcing their own TOS rules can get Amazon in a lot of trouble for being an accessory or accomplice.
Amazon doesn't want to be involved in all of this and I don't blame them. They are in business to make money.
As I've been telling you, stop thinking America is the USSR or we are some communist/dictator state. We aren't.
Business doesn't have to put political interests above their own here in America. They are free to do as they wish within our laws.
Amazon just doesn't want a ton of lawsuits by ticked off survivors of the 5 people who died that day.
We Americans love to sue people and Amazon is just trying to protect the business from such legal problems.
Amazon doesn't have a monopoly on the internet.
Not Amazon, but together with Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, they are, if not a "monopoly of internet", but very close to them. And if they decide to ban someone together, it will be very difficult to get online for a wide audience.
Anyone can set up their own website and servers.
Yes, and as a software developer I see some possibilities that some "groups" are starting to move towards creating alternatives for twitter, facebook, reddit, etc.
You seem to believe America is a communist nation.
We aren't.
I don't understand how you came to this, of course the USA is not nearly a communist country.
Yep, the purge is real.
They told us to "build our own facebook/twitter" if we didn't' like their rules. So we did, now they changed the goalposts and said "build your own everything."
Next they'll prevent us from using the fiber-optic cables.
Yes we are dealing here with capitalism, which the Republican Party has always defended tooth and nail against supposedly “communist” — now supposedly “fascist” — Democrats. The truth is these pro-Trump insurrectionists don’t really know what they are for, only what they are against — the Democratic Party.Fascism?! It’s capitalism smart guy. Amazon, FB and Twitter are private companies.Wow. This is heavy. This is fascism. Thanks libs.
Well said!!Yes we are dealing here with capitalism, which the Republican Party has always defended tooth and nail against supposedly “communist” — now supposedly “fascist” — Democrats. The truth is these pro-Trump insurrectionists don’t really know what they are for, only what they are against — the Democratic Party.Fascism?! It’s capitalism smart guy. Amazon, FB and Twitter are private companies.Wow. This is heavy. This is fascism. Thanks libs.
But while these big media companies are private companies under the law, they are also tremendously profitable U.S. public corporations. Republicans especially have consistently defended corporations’ political powers (Citizen’s United) and Trump has gone out of his way to deregulate them and give them tax cuts worth trillions. Trump could not buy the support of these media corporations however, which do not depend on his patronage. Like the Wall Street Journal, the Conservative voice of Wall Street capitalism which covered for Trump for three years, they finally awoke to the threat that the divisive demagogue and Trump ... finally brought to our Republic. Republican politicians who feared their base were the last to distance themselves from him. His madness is now obvious to all serious and responsible people.
But Trump is almost gone, and after the madness he generated passes, real anti-trust progressives, libertarians, social-democrats and Republicans too must try to hammer out changes and partial withdrawal of Section 230 protection for big social media corporations.
Free speech and a free society cannot be guaranteed if madness maintains its grip on a nation and large sections of it seek civil war and insurrection against democratic norms — no matter what laws are passed.
We as a society have proven unable as of yet to handle properly (with political responsibility) the new powers modern technology have given the common man. We dare not allow anyone or any party (including the “bipartisan corporate party”) to permanently limit or dominate freedom of speech in new media.
Amazon doesn't have a monopoly on the internet.
Not Amazon, but together with Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, they are, if not a "monopoly of internet", but very close to them. And if they decide to ban someone together, it will be very difficult to get online for a wide audience.
Anyone can set up their own website and servers.
Yes, and as a software developer I see some possibilities that some "groups" are starting to move towards creating alternatives for twitter, facebook, reddit, etc.
You seem to believe America is a communist nation.
We aren't.
I don't understand how you came to this, of course the USA is not nearly a communist country.
You believe Amazon doesn't have contact with government officials? Are you serious?Deepstate. Establishment. They aren't saying, "build your own everything"! They are saying, "you build it and we'll tear it right down!"Who's they?They told us to "build our own facebook/twitter" if we didn't' like their rules. So we did, now they changed the goalposts and said "build your own everything."
Prove a connection between AWS and any government official who conspired to shut down Parler.
Deep state.......my ass.
www.cnet.com
www.theatlantic.com
www.nextgov.com
Yep, the purge is real.
They told us to "build our own facebook/twitter" if we didn't' like their rules. So we did, now they changed the goalposts and said "build your own everything."
Next they'll prevent us from using the fiber-optic cables.
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No private company is obligated to carry the parler app.
Amazon is a private company. Ownership matters here in a capitalistic society.
If you don't like it, that's just too damn bad.
Amazon isn't going to keep helping traitors to our nation and I'm glad they kicked parler out.
Cry all you want. It won't make any difference. You people are a cancer on our nation and it's about time private business stops giving you people a platform to spread your hate and treason.
You made your beds. Now you are crying about having to lay in it
Get it through your thick heads, no private business has any obligation to do business with you.
You are losers, you always have been losers all your lives and you will die losers.
LOSER.
Every non-White terrorist group on earth is on Facebook and probably uses Amazon servers.You believe Amazon doesn't have contact with government officials? Are you serious?Deepstate. Establishment. They aren't saying, "build your own everything"! They are saying, "you build it and we'll tear it right down!"Who's they?They told us to "build our own facebook/twitter" if we didn't' like their rules. So we did, now they changed the goalposts and said "build your own everything."
Prove a connection between AWS and any government official who conspired to shut down Parler.
Deep state.......my ass.
That's not what is being alleged. Dumb shit.
If you and I have a phone conversation and you say I wish the mob overthrew the Capital, Verizon would not kick you out of its network. These sites claim to be like Verizon for regulatory purposes but they are nothing like Verizon. That’s my only issue here.I see several issues...
Amazon is a private company so it can do what it likes, for one.
Are they and these other tech giants preventing people from setting up new host sites? Everything is so intertwined these days.
Should anyone be forced to host entities calling for/promoting insurgency and political overthrow in the name of free speech? Parler, apparently removed Lin Wood's posts calling for Pence to be executed. Good? Bad? When stuff like that gains enough of a following to push people to act, like we saw this past week, and we have a President openly supporting it...what then?
