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Simple question...
Had you been in the Navy Yard that day, would you have preferred to be helpless or armed?
I think most people would prefer the shooter wasn't armed.
But he was.
So again, had you been in the Navy Yard that day, would you have preferred to be helpless or armed?
Just think, if he didn't have access to a gun, the swat team wouldn't have even needed to be there.
The failure of the GOP to act after Newtown keeps adding to the carnage this country is suffering.
I think most people would prefer the shooter wasn't armed.
But he was.
So again, had you been in the Navy Yard that day, would you have preferred to be helpless or armed?
Are you suggesting you'd be more safe? Somebody might mistake you for the bad guy:
Christopher Geraghty, Retired Lieutenant Who Accidentally Killed ATF Agent John Capano, Is 'Devastated': Lawyer
But he was.
So again, had you been in the Navy Yard that day, would you have preferred to be helpless or armed?
Are you suggesting you'd be more safe? Somebody might mistake you for the bad guy:
Christopher Geraghty, Retired Lieutenant Who Accidentally Killed ATF Agent John Capano, Is 'Devastated': Lawyer
I am suggesting that you are unwilling to answer a simple question.
If you had been in the Navy Yard that day, would you want to be armed and at least have a chance of defending yourself, or would you prefer to be helplessly waiting for someone else who is armed, hoping they get there in time?
Hupp and her parents were having lunch at the Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen in 1991 when the Luby's massacre commenced. The gunman shot 50 people and killed 23, including both of Hupp's parents. Hupp later expressed regret about deciding to remove her gun from her purse and lock it in her car lest she risk possibly running afoul of the state's concealed weapons laws; during the shootings, she reached for her weapon but then remembered that it was "a hundred feet away in my car."[4] Her father, Al Gratia, tried to rush the gunman and was shot in the chest. Hupp escaped through a broken window and believed that her mother, Ursula Gratia, was behind her. Actually however, her mother went to her mortally-wounded husband's aid and was then shot in the head.
But he was.
So again, had you been in the Navy Yard that day, would you have preferred to be helpless or armed?
Are you suggesting you'd be more safe? Somebody might mistake you for the bad guy:
Christopher Geraghty, Retired Lieutenant Who Accidentally Killed ATF Agent John Capano, Is 'Devastated': Lawyer
I am suggesting that you are unwilling to answer a simple question.
If you had been in the Navy Yard that day, would you want to be armed and at least have a chance of defending yourself, or would you prefer to be helplessly waiting for someone else who is armed, hoping they get there in time?
Hupp and her parents were having lunch at the Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen in 1991 when the Luby's massacre commenced. The gunman shot 50 people and killed 23, including both of Hupp's parents. Hupp later expressed regret about deciding to remove her gun from her purse and lock it in her car lest she risk possibly running afoul of the state's concealed weapons laws; during the shootings, she reached for her weapon but then remembered that it was "a hundred feet away in my car."[4] Her father, Al Gratia, tried to rush the gunman and was shot in the chest. Hupp escaped through a broken window and believed that her mother, Ursula Gratia, was behind her. Actually however, her mother went to her mortally-wounded husband's aid and was then shot in the head.
Are you suggesting you'd be more safe? Somebody might mistake you for the bad guy:
Christopher Geraghty, Retired Lieutenant Who Accidentally Killed ATF Agent John Capano, Is 'Devastated': Lawyer
I am suggesting that you are unwilling to answer a simple question.
If you had been in the Navy Yard that day, would you want to be armed and at least have a chance of defending yourself, or would you prefer to be helplessly waiting for someone else who is armed, hoping they get there in time?
Hupp and her parents were having lunch at the Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen in 1991 when the Luby's massacre commenced. The gunman shot 50 people and killed 23, including both of Hupp's parents. Hupp later expressed regret about deciding to remove her gun from her purse and lock it in her car lest she risk possibly running afoul of the state's concealed weapons laws; during the shootings, she reached for her weapon but then remembered that it was "a hundred feet away in my car."[4] Her father, Al Gratia, tried to rush the gunman and was shot in the chest. Hupp escaped through a broken window and believed that her mother, Ursula Gratia, was behind her. Actually however, her mother went to her mortally-wounded husband's aid and was then shot in the head.
Oh I'm perfectly willing to answer your question. I have no concealed carry license even though I certainly could. And in this instance I would prefer to just be unarmed. There were a lot of people working in that building and it was like 4 stories. Most people got out without ever seeing the shooter. Unarmed you had one shooter to worry about and you would run or hide. Pull out your gun and you have to worry about the shooter and being mistaken for the shooter by the police. Throw in multiple others carrying and you have to worry about them also. The shooter would have the advantage if you ran into him in the hall. You might recognize him as a coworker and think he's ok. But no matter what you have to think before shooting and he doesn't. But I'll admit my answer might change depending on the shooting. At Newtown I wish I could have been armed and within helping distance.
Just think, if he didn't have access to a gun, the swat team wouldn't have even needed to be there.
The failure of the GOP to act after Newtown keeps adding to the carnage this country is suffering.
Just think, if he didn't have access to a gun, the swat team wouldn't have even needed to be there.
The failure of the GOP to act after Newtown keeps adding to the carnage this country is suffering.
He bought a shotgun and had no record to flag a background check, exactly how would any of the new laws have effected his killing spree, be specific.
Are you suggesting you'd be more safe? Somebody might mistake you for the bad guy:
Christopher Geraghty, Retired Lieutenant Who Accidentally Killed ATF Agent John Capano, Is 'Devastated': Lawyer
I am suggesting that you are unwilling to answer a simple question.
If you had been in the Navy Yard that day, would you want to be armed and at least have a chance of defending yourself, or would you prefer to be helplessly waiting for someone else who is armed, hoping they get there in time?
Hupp and her parents were having lunch at the Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen in 1991 when the Luby's massacre commenced. The gunman shot 50 people and killed 23, including both of Hupp's parents. Hupp later expressed regret about deciding to remove her gun from her purse and lock it in her car lest she risk possibly running afoul of the state's concealed weapons laws; during the shootings, she reached for her weapon but then remembered that it was "a hundred feet away in my car."[4] Her father, Al Gratia, tried to rush the gunman and was shot in the chest. Hupp escaped through a broken window and believed that her mother, Ursula Gratia, was behind her. Actually however, her mother went to her mortally-wounded husband's aid and was then shot in the head.
Oh I'm perfectly willing to answer your question. I have no concealed carry license even though I certainly could. And in this instance I would prefer to just be unarmed. There were a lot of people working in that building and it was like 4 stories. Most people got out without ever seeing the shooter. Unarmed you had one shooter to worry about and you would run or hide. Pull out your gun and you have to worry about the shooter and being mistaken for the shooter by the police. Throw in multiple others carrying and you have to worry about them also. The shooter would have the advantage if you ran into him in the hall. You might recognize him as a coworker and think he's ok. But no matter what you have to think before shooting and he doesn't. But I'll admit my answer might change depending on the shooting. At Newtown I wish I could have been armed and within helping distance.
just think, if he didn't have access to a gun, the swat team wouldn't have even needed to be there.
The failure of the gop to act after newtown keeps adding to the carnage this country is suffering.
what action could the democrats or the gop do to prevent the shipyard shooter?
I am suggesting that you are unwilling to answer a simple question.
If you had been in the Navy Yard that day, would you want to be armed and at least have a chance of defending yourself, or would you prefer to be helplessly waiting for someone else who is armed, hoping they get there in time?
Hupp and her parents were having lunch at the Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen in 1991 when the Luby's massacre commenced. The gunman shot 50 people and killed 23, including both of Hupp's parents. Hupp later expressed regret about deciding to remove her gun from her purse and lock it in her car lest she risk possibly running afoul of the state's concealed weapons laws; during the shootings, she reached for her weapon but then remembered that it was "a hundred feet away in my car."[4] Her father, Al Gratia, tried to rush the gunman and was shot in the chest. Hupp escaped through a broken window and believed that her mother, Ursula Gratia, was behind her. Actually however, her mother went to her mortally-wounded husband's aid and was then shot in the head.
Oh I'm perfectly willing to answer your question. I have no concealed carry license even though I certainly could. And in this instance I would prefer to just be unarmed. There were a lot of people working in that building and it was like 4 stories. Most people got out without ever seeing the shooter. Unarmed you had one shooter to worry about and you would run or hide. Pull out your gun and you have to worry about the shooter and being mistaken for the shooter by the police. Throw in multiple others carrying and you have to worry about them also. The shooter would have the advantage if you ran into him in the hall. You might recognize him as a coworker and think he's ok. But no matter what you have to think before shooting and he doesn't. But I'll admit my answer might change depending on the shooting. At Newtown I wish I could have been armed and within helping distance.
I would rather be armed.
If I could save myself or someone else, it would be worth the risk.
How about Virginia Tech, where Cho chained the doors shut.
Yes, being armed has it's own drawbacks, but the deterrent value of multiple armed defenders has to be taken into account as well.
At least folks have a chance of barricading themselves in an office and holding off an armed attacker.
Oh I'm perfectly willing to answer your question. I have no concealed carry license even though I certainly could. And in this instance I would prefer to just be unarmed. There were a lot of people working in that building and it was like 4 stories. Most people got out without ever seeing the shooter. Unarmed you had one shooter to worry about and you would run or hide. Pull out your gun and you have to worry about the shooter and being mistaken for the shooter by the police. Throw in multiple others carrying and you have to worry about them also. The shooter would have the advantage if you ran into him in the hall. You might recognize him as a coworker and think he's ok. But no matter what you have to think before shooting and he doesn't. But I'll admit my answer might change depending on the shooting. At Newtown I wish I could have been armed and within helping distance.
I would rather be armed.
If I could save myself or someone else, it would be worth the risk.
How about Virginia Tech, where Cho chained the doors shut.
Yes, being armed has it's own drawbacks, but the deterrent value of multiple armed defenders has to be taken into account as well.
At least folks have a chance of barricading themselves in an office and holding off an armed attacker.
I don't disagree that sometimes I would want to be armed and sometimes not. Since I choose not to concealed carry obviously I've decided there are mores time I wouldn't than would. I couldn't live with myself if I shot and killed the wrong person. A lot of responsibility.
There was someone carrying at the Tucson shooting. If he was going to shoot someone it would have been the wrong person. Luckily he was responsible and shot no one. But that didn't help stop the shooter. The shooter was stopped when he tried to reload. Which as you know is why I think magazine size should be limited. If the concealed carry guy had picked the right person and shot I really think he'd have got him in 3 or less shots. And if it took more there would have been others accidently shot.
I would rather be armed.
If I could save myself or someone else, it would be worth the risk.
How about Virginia Tech, where Cho chained the doors shut.
Yes, being armed has it's own drawbacks, but the deterrent value of multiple armed defenders has to be taken into account as well.
At least folks have a chance of barricading themselves in an office and holding off an armed attacker.
I don't disagree that sometimes I would want to be armed and sometimes not. Since I choose not to concealed carry obviously I've decided there are mores time I wouldn't than would. I couldn't live with myself if I shot and killed the wrong person. A lot of responsibility.
There was someone carrying at the Tucson shooting. If he was going to shoot someone it would have been the wrong person. Luckily he was responsible and shot no one. But that didn't help stop the shooter. The shooter was stopped when he tried to reload. Which as you know is why I think magazine size should be limited. If the concealed carry guy had picked the right person and shot I really think he'd have got him in 3 or less shots. And if it took more there would have been others accidently shot.
I have serious doubts that you'd pass a background check for purchasing a gun, much less actually own any
I don't disagree that sometimes I would want to be armed and sometimes not. Since I choose not to concealed carry obviously I've decided there are mores time I wouldn't than would. I couldn't live with myself if I shot and killed the wrong person. A lot of responsibility.
There was someone carrying at the Tucson shooting. If he was going to shoot someone it would have been the wrong person. Luckily he was responsible and shot no one. But that didn't help stop the shooter. The shooter was stopped when he tried to reload. Which as you know is why I think magazine size should be limited. If the concealed carry guy had picked the right person and shot I really think he'd have got him in 3 or less shots. And if it took more there would have been others accidently shot.
I have serious doubts that you'd pass a background check for purchasing a gun, much less actually own any
Please explain. I'd love to hear your intelligent explanation.
I have serious doubts that you'd pass a background check for purchasing a gun, much less actually own any
Please explain. I'd love to hear your intelligent explanation.
You claim that you could obtain a CWP, if you wanted to.
That would imply that you have a weapon capable of concealment.
Why possess such a weapon but for personal protection?
Yet you state that you would not want to be armed in a violent situation.
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Oh I'm perfectly willing to answer your question. I have no concealed carry license even though I certainly could. And in this instance I would prefer to just be unarmed. There were a lot of people working in that building and it was like 4 stories. Most people got out without ever seeing the shooter. Unarmed you had one shooter to worry about and you would run or hide. Pull out your gun and you have to worry about the shooter and being mistaken for the shooter by the police. Throw in multiple others carrying and you have to worry about them also. The shooter would have the advantage if you ran into him in the hall. You might recognize him as a coworker and think he's ok. But no matter what you have to think before shooting and he doesn't. But I'll admit my answer might change depending on the shooting. At Newtown I wish I could have been armed and within helping distance.
I would rather be armed.
If I could save myself or someone else, it would be worth the risk.
How about Virginia Tech, where Cho chained the doors shut.
Yes, being armed has it's own drawbacks, but the deterrent value of multiple armed defenders has to be taken into account as well.
At least folks have a chance of barricading themselves in an office and holding off an armed attacker.
I don't disagree that sometimes I would want to be armed and sometimes not. Since I choose not to concealed carry obviously I've decided there are mores time I wouldn't than would. I couldn't live with myself if I shot and killed the wrong person. A lot of responsibility.
There was someone carrying at the Tucson shooting. If he was going to shoot someone it would have been the wrong person. Luckily he was responsible and shot no one. But that didn't help stop the shooter. The shooter was stopped when he tried to reload. Which as you know is why I think magazine size should be limited. If the concealed carry guy had picked the right person and shot I really think he'd have got him in 3 or less shots. And if it took more there would have been others accidently shot.
I would rather be armed.
If I could save myself or someone else, it would be worth the risk.
How about Virginia Tech, where Cho chained the doors shut.
Yes, being armed has it's own drawbacks, but the deterrent value of multiple armed defenders has to be taken into account as well.
At least folks have a chance of barricading themselves in an office and holding off an armed attacker.
I don't disagree that sometimes I would want to be armed and sometimes not. Since I choose not to concealed carry obviously I've decided there are mores time I wouldn't than would. I couldn't live with myself if I shot and killed the wrong person. A lot of responsibility.
There was someone carrying at the Tucson shooting. If he was going to shoot someone it would have been the wrong person. Luckily he was responsible and shot no one. But that didn't help stop the shooter. The shooter was stopped when he tried to reload. Which as you know is why I think magazine size should be limited. If the concealed carry guy had picked the right person and shot I really think he'd have got him in 3 or less shots. And if it took more there would have been others accidently shot.
I'll prelude this comment with this caveat...the chances are infinitesimal that either of us would ever need a gun to defend ourselves.
These mass shootings are big news, but the fact is, Homicide is down 49% since 1991, and I think there is little doubt that gun rights have expanded greatly in that time.
Conceal Carry was but a glimmer on the horizon in 1991 when homicides reached their peak.
And mass murder is an extremely small percentage of homicide.
10News - Mass, multiple murders rates constant despite overall decline in homicides12172012 - 10News.com - News
I reckon I would respond to your post thusly...
If I have a gun, I have the choice of using it, or not using it, dependent on the situation.
If I choose to carry no gun, all further choices evaporate.
I'd rather leave my options open than close them off and leave myself and others helpless if the situation unfolded in a way in which my firearm could save lives.
More succinctly, I rather have it and not need it, or have it and not use it than need it and not have it.
Navy Yard: Swat team 'stood down' at mass shooting scene
By Debbie Siegelbaum BBC News, Washington
One of the first teams of heavily armed police to respond to Monday's shooting in Washington DC was ordered to stand down by superiors, the BBC can reveal.
HUH?
WTF?
Can you say incompetence?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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Give Stephanie time, it just needs to hit one of her websites and we'll get the regurgitation passed along here as "news"I suppose the next step is to manufacture a yarn that Obama phoned in the stand down order. From the golf course. While watching the shooting through the eyes of a drone via a Blackberry app. For seven hours.
