BREAKING: Mass school shooting multiple victims

[2aguy]

Yes...the school was a gun free zone.....

That's incorrect.

UPDATE OCT 1, 2015 8:09 PM

The conservative site Breitbart and others assert that guns were banned at UCC. This is not true. The student code of conduct bans guns "without written authorization." Under Oregon law, the university could not ban people with a valid concealed carry license from bringing their weapons on campus. (They could ban gun from various buildings and facilities.) Conservative writer Dana Loesch, who initially claimed the campus was a "gun free zone," updated her article to clarify that individuals with concealed carry permits were allowed to bring guns on campus.

There was, in fact, someone on campus with a concealed carry weapon at the time of the massacre. A local reporter explained to CNN that it was legal for him to have such a weapon on campus.


UCC Was Not A ‘Gun Free Zone’ Because Public Colleges In Oregon Can’t Ban Guns

Moron….it was a 2 year school….not included in that law……they posted the rules…….and the guy with the concealed carry gun was breaking the rules and too far away…...

 

[2aguy]

And yet more people die in accidental shootings.

Just like car owners are more likely to get in an auto accident. Time to turn in the keys to your Prius.

sad when the gun savior shoots and kills himself more than he kills criminals.

I don't even know what you're talking about.

Way more people are killed in accidental shootings than criminals are killed in defense.

And 320 million guns in private hands….and only 505 accidental gun deaths……more peole are not hurt by their own gun than are…moron. Having a gun and a car in the same home…get rid of the car…it is more dangerous.

 

[Brain357]

And yet more people die in accidental shootings.

Just like car owners are more likely to get in an auto accident. Time to turn in the keys to your Prius.

sad when the gun savior shoots and kills himself more than he kills criminals.

I don't even know what you're talking about.

Way more people are killed in accidental shootings than criminals are killed in defense.

And 320 million guns in private hands….and only 505 accidental gun deaths……more peole are not hurt by their own gun than are…moron. Having a gun and a car in the same home…get rid of the car…it is more dangerous.

Why do you lie? Only like 230 criminals shot and killed each year. That is a number smaller than 505.

 

[Sallow]

Yes...the school was a gun free zone.....

That's incorrect.

UPDATE OCT 1, 2015 8:09 PM

The conservative site Breitbart and others assert that guns were banned at UCC. This is not true. The student code of conduct bans guns "without written authorization." Under Oregon law, the university could not ban people with a valid concealed carry license from bringing their weapons on campus. (They could ban gun from various buildings and facilities.) Conservative writer Dana Loesch, who initially claimed the campus was a "gun free zone," updated her article to clarify that individuals with concealed carry permits were allowed to bring guns on campus.

There was, in fact, someone on campus with a concealed carry weapon at the time of the massacre. A local reporter explained to CNN that it was legal for him to have such a weapon on campus.


UCC Was Not A ‘Gun Free Zone’ Because Public Colleges In Oregon Can’t Ban Guns

Moron….it was a 2 year school….not included in that law……they posted the rules…….and the guy with the concealed carry gun was breaking the rules and too far away…...

State law, as the article correctly points out, circumvents any "rules".

And there was a Concealed weapon carrier on the campus.

He chose not to intervene.

 

[2aguy]

Yes...the school was a gun free zone.....

That's incorrect.

UPDATE OCT 1, 2015 8:09 PM

The conservative site Breitbart and others assert that guns were banned at UCC. This is not true. The student code of conduct bans guns "without written authorization." Under Oregon law, the university could not ban people with a valid concealed carry license from bringing their weapons on campus. (They could ban gun from various buildings and facilities.) Conservative writer Dana Loesch, who initially claimed the campus was a "gun free zone," updated her article to clarify that individuals with concealed carry permits were allowed to bring guns on campus.

There was, in fact, someone on campus with a concealed carry weapon at the time of the massacre. A local reporter explained to CNN that it was legal for him to have such a weapon on campus.


UCC Was Not A ‘Gun Free Zone’ Because Public Colleges In Oregon Can’t Ban Guns

Moron….it was a 2 year school….not included in that law……they posted the rules…….and the guy with the concealed carry gun was breaking the rules and too far away…...

State law, as the article correctly points out, circumvents any "rules".

And there was a Concealed weapon carrier on the campus.

He chose not to intervene.

Not close enough….and one guy in 3,000 is not what you need…...

 

[Brain357]

Yes...the school was a gun free zone.....

That's incorrect.

UPDATE OCT 1, 2015 8:09 PM

The conservative site Breitbart and others assert that guns were banned at UCC. This is not true. The student code of conduct bans guns "without written authorization." Under Oregon law, the university could not ban people with a valid concealed carry license from bringing their weapons on campus. (They could ban gun from various buildings and facilities.) Conservative writer Dana Loesch, who initially claimed the campus was a "gun free zone," updated her article to clarify that individuals with concealed carry permits were allowed to bring guns on campus.

There was, in fact, someone on campus with a concealed carry weapon at the time of the massacre. A local reporter explained to CNN that it was legal for him to have such a weapon on campus.


UCC Was Not A ‘Gun Free Zone’ Because Public Colleges In Oregon Can’t Ban Guns

Moron….it was a 2 year school….not included in that law……they posted the rules…….and the guy with the concealed carry gun was breaking the rules and too far away…...

State law, as the article correctly points out, circumvents any "rules".

And there was a Concealed weapon carrier on the campus.

He chose not to intervene.

As concealed carry increases, armed heroes do not.

 

[2aguy]

Just like car owners are more likely to get in an auto accident. Time to turn in the keys to your Prius.

sad when the gun savior shoots and kills himself more than he kills criminals.

I don't even know what you're talking about.

Way more people are killed in accidental shootings than criminals are killed in defense.

And 320 million guns in private hands….and only 505 accidental gun deaths……more peole are not hurt by their own gun than are…moron. Having a gun and a car in the same home…get rid of the car…it is more dangerous.

Why do you lie? Only like 230 criminals shot and killed each year. That is a number smaller than 505.

and 90 million homes have guns in them….that is more than 505 isn't it moron.

 

[2aguy]

Yes...the school was a gun free zone.....

That's incorrect.

UPDATE OCT 1, 2015 8:09 PM

The conservative site Breitbart and others assert that guns were banned at UCC. This is not true. The student code of conduct bans guns "without written authorization." Under Oregon law, the university could not ban people with a valid concealed carry license from bringing their weapons on campus. (They could ban gun from various buildings and facilities.) Conservative writer Dana Loesch, who initially claimed the campus was a "gun free zone," updated her article to clarify that individuals with concealed carry permits were allowed to bring guns on campus.

There was, in fact, someone on campus with a concealed carry weapon at the time of the massacre. A local reporter explained to CNN that it was legal for him to have such a weapon on campus.


UCC Was Not A ‘Gun Free Zone’ Because Public Colleges In Oregon Can’t Ban Guns

Moron….it was a 2 year school….not included in that law……they posted the rules…….and the guy with the concealed carry gun was breaking the rules and too far away…...

State law, as the article correctly points out, circumvents any "rules".

And there was a Concealed weapon carrier on the campus.

He chose not to intervene.

As cncealed carry increases, armed heros does not.

They aren't supposed to be heroes….they just have the chance to stop an attack that comes their way….and they have stopped these attacks in the past.

 

[Sallow]

And yet more people die in accidental shootings.

Just like car owners are more likely to get in an auto accident. Time to turn in the keys to your Prius.

sad when the gun savior shoots and kills himself more than he kills criminals.

I don't even know what you're talking about.

Way more people are killed in accidental shootings than criminals are killed in defense.

And 320 million guns in private hands….and only 505 accidental gun deaths……more peole are not hurt by their own gun than are…moron. Having a gun and a car in the same home…get rid of the car…it is more dangerous.

There's 320 million guns in the hands of 13 million people. That's about 25 guns per person.

That's nuts.

 

[Brain357]

sad when the gun savior shoots and kills himself more than he kills criminals.

I don't even know what you're talking about.

Way more people are killed in accidental shootings than criminals are killed in defense.

And 320 million guns in private hands….and only 505 accidental gun deaths……more peole are not hurt by their own gun than are…moron. Having a gun and a car in the same home…get rid of the car…it is more dangerous.

Why do you lie? Only like 230 criminals shot and killed each year. That is a number smaller than 505.

and 90 million homes have guns in them….that is more than 505 isn't it moron.

Yes and 505 deaths is a lot. About 500 more accidental gun deaths than any country in Europe.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Yes...the school was a gun free zone.....

That's incorrect.

UPDATE OCT 1, 2015 8:09 PM

The conservative site Breitbart and others assert that guns were banned at UCC. This is not true. The student code of conduct bans guns "without written authorization." Under Oregon law, the university could not ban people with a valid concealed carry license from bringing their weapons on campus. (They could ban gun from various buildings and facilities.) Conservative writer Dana Loesch, who initially claimed the campus was a "gun free zone," updated her article to clarify that individuals with concealed carry permits were allowed to bring guns on campus.

There was, in fact, someone on campus with a concealed carry weapon at the time of the massacre. A local reporter explained to CNN that it was legal for him to have such a weapon on campus.


UCC Was Not A ‘Gun Free Zone’ Because Public Colleges In Oregon Can’t Ban Guns

Moron….it was a 2 year school….not included in that law……they posted the rules…….and the guy with the concealed carry gun was breaking the rules and too far away…...

State law, as the article correctly points out, circumvents any "rules".

And there was a Concealed weapon carrier on the campus.

He chose not to intervene.

As cncealed carry increases, armed heros does not.

Once more in english....

 

[Brain357]

Yes...the school was a gun free zone.....

That's incorrect.

UPDATE OCT 1, 2015 8:09 PM

The conservative site Breitbart and others assert that guns were banned at UCC. This is not true. The student code of conduct bans guns "without written authorization." Under Oregon law, the university could not ban people with a valid concealed carry license from bringing their weapons on campus. (They could ban gun from various buildings and facilities.) Conservative writer Dana Loesch, who initially claimed the campus was a "gun free zone," updated her article to clarify that individuals with concealed carry permits were allowed to bring guns on campus.

There was, in fact, someone on campus with a concealed carry weapon at the time of the massacre. A local reporter explained to CNN that it was legal for him to have such a weapon on campus.


UCC Was Not A ‘Gun Free Zone’ Because Public Colleges In Oregon Can’t Ban Guns

Moron….it was a 2 year school….not included in that law……they posted the rules…….and the guy with the concealed carry gun was breaking the rules and too far away…...

State law, as the article correctly points out, circumvents any "rules".

And there was a Concealed weapon carrier on the campus.

He chose not to intervene.

As cncealed carry increases, armed heros does not.

They aren't supposed to be heroes….they just have the chance to stop an attack that comes their way….and they have stopped these attacks in the past.

Yeah that is more rare than winning the lottery.

 

[Asclepias]

By that logic, laws against murder are pointless too. After all, people still commit murder, even though it's illegal.

It's not logic, it's a talking point only stupid people or liars echo. Laws do not stop crime, they punish those who commit crimes!

The opinion expressed by TK is too foolish to even offer a rebuttal. People obey the laws for two reasons:

• They believe it is the right thing to do
• They fear the punishment

I would say they dont fear the punishment in an amount equal to or more than the reward they feel they would receive by breaking the law.

I would add that they temporarily lose the ability to reason in some instances due to emotional trauma.

I'm not sure who you mean when you wrote "they don't fear the punishment...". Normal Americans, and people in general obey laws because it is the right thing to do. In mass murders, the killer is abnormal.

Others flout the law, usually when they feel they can get away with it or the subculture in which they reside is antisocial and crime is acceptable to their peers.

"They" being the criminals. Normal is subjective. You cant show me a normal person.

Hmmm, Normal people don't commit murder; normal people stop at red lights and normal people have some degree of empathy. Using the term normal is informal, but so is the use of the word criminal, i.e.,
someone who rolls through a stop sign or commits a petty theft vis a vis a person who commits a violent felony.

Normal people commit murder all the time. Again normal is subjective. Its based on a standard. I grew up in an area where people were killed a lot. It was normal to me. I think criminal is pretty cut and dried. Its someone that has committed a crime as defined by a law.

 

[Stephanie]

the only thing we need to ask ourselves and when deciding who to vote for. Is WHY IS mass shootings UP under this Obama/Democrat Regime?

I don't want to hear about anything else.

Hope and change was a LIE folks. vote them out of office come 2016

 

[Brain357]

the only thing we need to ask ourselves and when deciding who to vote for. Is WHY IS mass shootings UP under this Obama/Democrat Regime?

I don't want to hear about anything else.

Are they?

 

[Asclepias]

Yes...the school was a gun free zone.....

That's incorrect.

UPDATE OCT 1, 2015 8:09 PM

The conservative site Breitbart and others assert that guns were banned at UCC. This is not true. The student code of conduct bans guns "without written authorization." Under Oregon law, the university could not ban people with a valid concealed carry license from bringing their weapons on campus. (They could ban gun from various buildings and facilities.) Conservative writer Dana Loesch, who initially claimed the campus was a "gun free zone," updated her article to clarify that individuals with concealed carry permits were allowed to bring guns on campus.

There was, in fact, someone on campus with a concealed carry weapon at the time of the massacre. A local reporter explained to CNN that it was legal for him to have such a weapon on campus.


UCC Was Not A ‘Gun Free Zone’ Because Public Colleges In Oregon Can’t Ban Guns

Moron….it was a 2 year school….not included in that law……they posted the rules…….and the guy with the concealed carry gun was breaking the rules and too far away…...

State law, as the article correctly points out, circumvents any "rules".

And there was a Concealed weapon carrier on the campus.

He chose not to intervene.

As concealed carry increases, armed heroes do not.

Armed heroes. Doesnt the "armed" part negate the "hero" part? Its not too heroic or courageous if you have a weapon.

 

[dannyboys]

the only thing we need to ask ourselves and when deciding who to vote for. Is WHY IS mass shootings UP under this Obama/Democrat Regime?

I don't want to hear about anything else.

The answer is obvious. Under BOBO many cities and places where the pubic goes have been designated 'Gun Free Zones' by fucking LIBERALS! These are the places thugs and lunatics choose to commit mass murder.
People who are law abiding respect these 'Zones'. Only the thugs and crazies ignore these laws.

 

[Asclepias]

the only thing we need to ask ourselves and when deciding who to vote for. Is WHY IS mass shootings UP under this Obama/Democrat Regime?

I don't want to hear about anything else.

Hope and change was a LIE folks. vote them out of office come 2016

Did you mean "why are"? White males in fear of losing their privilege. The hope and change part was directed at people that have been traditionally trampled by white males.

 

[Asclepias]

the only thing we need to ask ourselves and when deciding who to vote for. Is WHY IS mass shootings UP under this Obama/Democrat Regime?

I don't want to hear about anything else.

The answer is obvious. Under BOBO many cities and places where the pubic goes have been designated 'Gun Free Zones' by fucking LIBERALS! These are the places thugs and lunatics choose to commit mass murder.
People who are law abiding respect these 'Zones'. Only the thugs and crazies ignore these laws.

Thats the first time I have seen you refer to whites as thugs. You do realize white boys commit these mass shooting more than anyone else right?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Australia had a mass shooting, got rid of the guns and hasn't had one since.

The bottom line is, here in America most of us are willing to put up with these occasional tragedies, but we're not willing to give up our 2nd Amendment rights.
There will be more and more laws and restrictions, but a roundup is off the table.

Glad you have made that decision for everyone. The dead have no constituency.

Said it once, said it a hundred times; what has to happen is that a powerful rightwing lawmaker, unfortunately, will have to lose a child in one of these senseless acts to awaken the rest of the nation to the needless slaughter.

And then what ? Again, you can have all the restrictions for new purchases you want, but that won't put a dent in the hundreds of millions of guns already out among the general population.

True but thoughtless.

Consider:

1. Put aside the Second Amendment for a moment.
2. License anyone who wants to own, possess or have in his or her custody and control a firearm.
3. Require everyone of those guns to be registered.
4. Allow those who choose not to apply for a license and own guns to surrender them to local LE.
5. Require gun safes and /or trigger locks on all guns in the home or business unless actually under the custody and control of a licensed person.

It can be done, but there is no will to do so. The NRA and many gun owners care only about their right not be infringed, and have a who cares attitude for those who lost their lives yesterday, and their family and friends.

I'd bet some of them would support 2 & 3 in a moment if it would save the life of one of their children; the rest probably wouldn't since it's all about them.