BREAKING! Robert Mueller Requests Postponement of Gen. Michael Flynn’s Sentencing

[Faun]

Why would a FISA warrant against the Russian ambassador be illegal?

Not talking about that one. I am talking about the one that was being used against trump. The unmasking that was going on by the obama admin tells me they had a tap going on trump tower. Good luck justifying that one.

"The unmasking that was going on by the Obama admin tells me they had a tap going on Trump tower"

That sentence doesn't make sense. It looks like a pile of buzzwords without substance.

How would the "unmasking" tell you that Trump tower was tapped?


As for the surveillance that trapped Flynn in his lie - he was on the phone with the Russian Ambassador. It's a pretty safe bet that the target of the surveillance was the Russian, and not Flynn.

Then you didn't read and understand what I said. While obama was still in office there was a flurry of unmasking going on. All of it designed to harm the trump campaign. How did the obama admin get the information that allowed them to do the unmasking? As far as flynns case go's. How do you know? None of that has been released. You and I simply have way of knowing how any of muellers case was built.

My speculation is based on several decades of work in the Court system. But that is all it is, speculation.

What do you mean when you say "unmasking"?

Perhaps we're using different definitions of the word.

The obama admin was releasing the names of Americans "caught" up in the various surveillance programs they had going. That is "unmasking".

Great, so how does that render a warrant, "illegal?"

If half of what has been reported is true, then the info they used against flynn was most likely obtained via the illegal FISA warrant. If that is indeed factual, flynn walks.

 

[Lewdog]

Why would a FISA warrant against the Russian ambassador be illegal?

Not talking about that one. I am talking about the one that was being used against trump. The unmasking that was going on by the obama admin tells me they had a tap going on trump tower. Good luck justifying that one.

"The unmasking that was going on by the Obama admin tells me they had a tap going on Trump tower"

That sentence doesn't make sense. It looks like a pile of buzzwords without substance.

How would the "unmasking" tell you that Trump tower was tapped?


As for the surveillance that trapped Flynn in his lie - he was on the phone with the Russian Ambassador. It's a pretty safe bet that the target of the surveillance was the Russian, and not Flynn.

Then you didn't read and understand what I said. While obama was still in office there was a flurry of unmasking going on. All of it designed to harm the trump campaign. How did the obama admin get the information that allowed them to do the unmasking? As far as flynns case go's. How do you know? None of that has been released. You and I simply have no way of knowing how any of muellers case was built.

My speculation is based on several decades of work in the Court system. But that is all it is, speculation.

You're backpedaling furiously now.... what about any claim of illegal unmasking, which has never been proven, causes a warrant to be illegally obtained (which is where you started).

Have you not been paying attention? The big question is, was the dossier used to get the FISA warrant? It’s looking like it was. It can be argued that the whole bases of any case brought against Trump that grew from the dossier should be tossed when the dossier is declared a fake. Get used to the resting bitch face you saw on the democrat party last night. That’s how they will look for quite awhile I bet as they will be hearin “NO” allot. And Trump will be saying it.

No... this has been reported on pretty clearly. Carter Page was caught up in the Russian spy case in New York...

And George Poppadopolous was busted bragging to an Australian official before the dossier was even given to the CIA.

 

[westwall]

Not talking about that one. I am talking about the one that was being used against trump. The unmasking that was going on by the obama admin tells me they had a tap going on trump tower. Good luck justifying that one.

"The unmasking that was going on by the Obama admin tells me they had a tap going on Trump tower"

That sentence doesn't make sense. It looks like a pile of buzzwords without substance.

How would the "unmasking" tell you that Trump tower was tapped?


As for the surveillance that trapped Flynn in his lie - he was on the phone with the Russian Ambassador. It's a pretty safe bet that the target of the surveillance was the Russian, and not Flynn.

Then you didn't read and understand what I said. While obama was still in office there was a flurry of unmasking going on. All of it designed to harm the trump campaign. How did the obama admin get the information that allowed them to do the unmasking? As far as flynns case go's. How do you know? None of that has been released. You and I simply have way of knowing how any of muellers case was built.

My speculation is based on several decades of work in the Court system. But that is all it is, speculation.

What do you mean when you say "unmasking"?

Perhaps we're using different definitions of the word.

The obama admin was releasing the names of Americans "caught" up in the various surveillance programs they had going. That is "unmasking".

Great, so how does that render a warrant, "illegal?"

If half of what has been reported is true, then the info they used against flynn was most likely obtained via the illegal FISA warrant. If that is indeed factual, flynn walks.

If the fbi materially misreported the evidence they used to obtain the warrant that is called PERJURY. If they perjured themselves to obtain the warrant they are fucked three ways from Sunday.

 

[del]

Maybe. We don't have a clue how they obtained the warrant. I am merely going on what has been reported. The fact that mueller has postponed sentencing tells me that the case is in trouble. There is no logical reason to ever postpone sentencing.

No warrant is needed to monitor foreign powers.

And I can think of many logical reasons for Mueller to postpone sentencing - for example, perhaps he's waiting to see how information given to him by Flynn plays out before he offers a sentence recommendation.

If there was a tap on trump tower there was a warrant. Period. How they obtained that warrant is probably what a good portion of that memo is all about.

No one other than Trump has claimed there was a tap on Trump Tower.

plenty of wingers believe it because the orange chimp said so.

And plenty of proggies believe whatever crap the nyt tells them as well. So far the nyt has a piss poor batting record but that hasn't swayed you all one bit.

you've got that whatabout shit down.

good trumpling

now a little hillary rant would be good about here

go for it- tell us more about what's in the memo you've never seen

does it have any new uranium one stuff?

how about *pizzagate*?

 

[Lewdog]

You're backpedaling furiously now.... what about any claim of illegal unmasking, which has never been proven, causes a warrant to be illegal? (which is where you started).

I haven't backpeddaled one iota. Try spreading your fake news bullpoo elsewhere.

Sure ya did. I think you don't understand what you say.

You started off by talking about an "illegal warrant" but morphed into evidence illegally obtained by illegally unmasking.

No, I think you don't understand the English Language. I have been very clear on what I am saying.

Yes, it is obvious what you are saying. You say you are a Liberal, but every thread you get a chance you defend Trump.

I defend those who are being illegally attacked by the Man. I don't care who you are, if I feel that those in power are abusing their power I will defend you.

You wouldn't defend me if Kim Jong Un was the judge.

I'm not sure at this point if you are fishing for reputation points, trying to troll, or really confused on what's going on.

 

[Lewdog]

No warrant is needed to monitor foreign powers.

And I can think of many logical reasons for Mueller to postpone sentencing - for example, perhaps he's waiting to see how information given to him by Flynn plays out before he offers a sentence recommendation.

If there was a tap on trump tower there was a warrant. Period. How they obtained that warrant is probably what a good portion of that memo is all about.

No one other than Trump has claimed there was a tap on Trump Tower.

plenty of wingers believe it because the orange chimp said so.

And plenty of proggies believe whatever crap the nyt tells them as well. So far the nyt has a piss poor batting record but that hasn't swayed you all one bit.

you've got that whatabout shit down.

good trumpling

now a little hillary rant would be good about here

go for it- tell us more about what's in the memo you've never seen

does it have any new uranium one stuff?

how about *pizzagate*?

You left out the birth certificate. What's wrong with you? Do you have a fever?

 

[Faun]

I think you're a little behind the times. Flynn is well past the "indictment" phase - he's already plead guilty.

That's why they're talking about sentencing.

Guilty pleas, obtained via illegally gotten evidence, are Vacated not infrequently.

What evidence involved in Flynn's lying to the FBI was obtained illegally?

If half of what has been reported is true, then the info they used against flynn was most likely obtained via the illegal FISA warrant. If that is indeed factual, flynn walks.

What FISA warrant that intercepted Flynn was illegally obtained??

Probably the one that memo that is about to be released is talking about, would be my guess.

Nunes' memo purportedly speaks of the warrant on Page. WTF does that have to do with Flynn's lying to federal investigators??

 

[del]

What evidence involved in Flynn's lying to the FBI was obtained illegally?

If half of what has been reported is true, then the info they used against flynn was most likely obtained via the illegal FISA warrant. If that is indeed factual, flynn walks.

this might enlighten you on how a FISA warrant is obtained, the protocol & the renewal process; including how flynn got busted along with carter page. it's lengthy, but worth the read.

FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor Trump adviser Carter Page
By Ellen Nakashima, Devlin Barrett and Adam Entous April 11, 2017

FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor Trump adviser Carter Page

I understand how they are supposed to be obtained. It appears the fbi broke all sorts of laws in getting the warrant they wanted. That makes EVERYTHING they got from that warrant inadmissible. It's a real simple concept that you people seem to be missing. Guilty people go free all of the time when the government fucks up and breaks the laws pertaining to gathering evidence.

so it appears to you, from a memo that you haven't seen, that the fbi broke all sorts of laws.

run with it, corky

Like I stated earlier, I am making my speculations based on what is being reported. Unlike all of you folks I ADMITTED that I am speculating. All of you are spewing shit as if it is the Gods honest truth! You and I have no idea what is in the memo, but based on a few decades of legal experience I am able to read between the lines pretty well. Over the next few weeks we will see if my speculations is accurate, or not. But at least I had the sense to proclaim it SPECULATION!

What's your excuse?

it's good that you can admit you have no idea what you're talking about.

carry on

 

[Lewdog]

"The unmasking that was going on by the Obama admin tells me they had a tap going on Trump tower"

That sentence doesn't make sense. It looks like a pile of buzzwords without substance.

How would the "unmasking" tell you that Trump tower was tapped?


As for the surveillance that trapped Flynn in his lie - he was on the phone with the Russian Ambassador. It's a pretty safe bet that the target of the surveillance was the Russian, and not Flynn.

Then you didn't read and understand what I said. While obama was still in office there was a flurry of unmasking going on. All of it designed to harm the trump campaign. How did the obama admin get the information that allowed them to do the unmasking? As far as flynns case go's. How do you know? None of that has been released. You and I simply have way of knowing how any of muellers case was built.

My speculation is based on several decades of work in the Court system. But that is all it is, speculation.

What do you mean when you say "unmasking"?

Perhaps we're using different definitions of the word.

The obama admin was releasing the names of Americans "caught" up in the various surveillance programs they had going. That is "unmasking".

Great, so how does that render a warrant, "illegal?"

If half of what has been reported is true, then the info they used against flynn was most likely obtained via the illegal FISA warrant. If that is indeed factual, flynn walks.

If the fbi materially misreported the evidence they used to obtain the warrant that is called PERJURY. If they perjured themselves to obtain the warrant they are fucked three ways from Sunday.

Yeah I'm not sure if you know this or not, but in the U.S., law enforcement can actually lie to someone in order to try and get them to confess to a crime.

 

[westwall]

I haven't backpeddaled one iota. Try spreading your fake news bullpoo elsewhere.

Sure ya did. I think you don't understand what you say.

You started off by talking about an "illegal warrant" but morphed into evidence illegally obtained by illegally unmasking.

No, I think you don't understand the English Language. I have been very clear on what I am saying.

Yes, it is obvious what you are saying. You say you are a Liberal, but every thread you get a chance you defend Trump.

I defend those who are being illegally attacked by the Man. I don't care who you are, if I feel that those in power are abusing their power I will defend you.

You wouldn't defend me if Kim Jong Un was the judge.

I'm not sure at this point if you are fishing for reputation points, trying to troll, or really confused on what's going on.

I would sneak a gun into the Court Room and blow that little shit away. But that is a fantasy. Like I said, I am opposed to officials abusing their power to harm people. That is what this country was founded to prevent.

 

[radical right]

An appeal can only rule based on the record from a lower court. So anything about FISA warrant would have no bearing on the case.

So what. None of that matters one iota.

The court to which Flynn could appeal, would find no grounds for appeal FISA warrants have nothing to do with Flynns guilty plea..

 

[westwall]

Then you didn't read and understand what I said. While obama was still in office there was a flurry of unmasking going on. All of it designed to harm the trump campaign. How did the obama admin get the information that allowed them to do the unmasking? As far as flynns case go's. How do you know? None of that has been released. You and I simply have way of knowing how any of muellers case was built.

My speculation is based on several decades of work in the Court system. But that is all it is, speculation.

What do you mean when you say "unmasking"?

Perhaps we're using different definitions of the word.

The obama admin was releasing the names of Americans "caught" up in the various surveillance programs they had going. That is "unmasking".

Great, so how does that render a warrant, "illegal?"

If half of what has been reported is true, then the info they used against flynn was most likely obtained via the illegal FISA warrant. If that is indeed factual, flynn walks.

If the fbi materially misreported the evidence they used to obtain the warrant that is called PERJURY. If they perjured themselves to obtain the warrant they are fucked three ways from Sunday.

Yeah I'm not sure if you know this or not, but in the U.S., law enforcement can actually lie to someone in order to try and get them to confess to a crime.

Yeah, I know. But they can only lie to suspects, or witnesses. They can't lie to the Court. Duh....

 

[playtime]

I think you're a little behind the times. Flynn is well past the "indictment" phase - he's already plead guilty.

That's why they're talking about sentencing.

Guilty pleas, obtained via illegally gotten evidence, are Vacated not infrequently.

What evidence involved in Flynn's lying to the FBI was obtained illegally?

If half of what has been reported is true, then the info they used against flynn was most likely obtained via the illegal FISA warrant. If that is indeed factual, flynn walks.

this might enlighten you on how a FISA warrant is obtained, the protocol & the renewal process; including how flynn got busted along with carter page. it's lengthy, but worth the read.

FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor Trump adviser Carter Page
By Ellen Nakashima, Devlin Barrett and Adam Entous April 11, 2017

FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor Trump adviser Carter Page

I understand how they are supposed to be obtained. It appears the fbi broke all sorts of laws in getting the warrant they wanted. That makes EVERYTHING they got from that warrant inadmissible. It's a real simple concept that you people seem to be missing. Guilty people go free all of the time when the government fucks up and breaks the laws pertaining to gathering evidence.

what laws did the FBI break that you seem to be privvy to? you are hoping that is the case. they have to jump thru hoops to unmask an american. a judge has to sign off on it & it has to reviewed every 90 days.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Ah haaaa! What do we have here? I think reality has set in and Mueller is now realizing what a shit storm he's gotten himself into. Mark my words, Flynn is going to get his indictment tossed due to the corrupt FISA Warrant. Mueller realizes that now.


JUST IN=> Robert Mueller Requests Postponement of Gen. Michael Flynn's Sentencing

Let's see.

"Mr Flynn, you're going to prison unless you give us something on Trump."
"No, I won't give you anything on Trump, Trump will pardon me as soon as anything happens"
"Mr Flynn, we've got evidence that will mean Mr Trump will not be president by the time you're convicted"
"Fuck, what do you want to know"
"That's a good boy, I'll request a postponement of your sentence."

Not even Jake is that rabidly partisan.

Trump told Mueller, the memo proves you and your people are dirty. if you want to avoid the gallows, just drop the whole thing

 

[westwall]

An appeal can only rule based on the record from a lower court. So anything about FISA warrant would have no bearing on the case.

So what. None of that matters one iota.

The court to which Flynn could appeal, would find no grounds for appeal FISA warrants have nothing to do with Flynns guilty plea..

Dude, you don't know what the hell you are talking about. There would be no Appeal, if the fbi broke the law to obtain the evidence they used against flynn his attorney go's to the US Attorney, they have a confab, and the US Attorney go's to the presiding Judge with a request to VACATE the Conviction. It's as simple as that.

Don't try to argue with people who KNOW what the fuck they are talking about when you don't!

 

[westwall]

Guilty pleas, obtained via illegally gotten evidence, are Vacated not infrequently.

What evidence involved in Flynn's lying to the FBI was obtained illegally?

If half of what has been reported is true, then the info they used against flynn was most likely obtained via the illegal FISA warrant. If that is indeed factual, flynn walks.

this might enlighten you on how a FISA warrant is obtained, the protocol & the renewal process; including how flynn got busted along with carter page. it's lengthy, but worth the read.

FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor Trump adviser Carter Page
By Ellen Nakashima, Devlin Barrett and Adam Entous April 11, 2017

FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor Trump adviser Carter Page

I understand how they are supposed to be obtained. It appears the fbi broke all sorts of laws in getting the warrant they wanted. That makes EVERYTHING they got from that warrant inadmissible. It's a real simple concept that you people seem to be missing. Guilty people go free all of the time when the government fucks up and breaks the laws pertaining to gathering evidence.

what laws did the FBI break that you seem to be privvy to? you are hoping that is the case. they have to jump thru hoops to unmask an american. a judge has to sign off on it & it has to reviewed every 90 days.

I never claimed I was privy to anything. Read the thread to see what I have written previously then, when you are up to speed you can ask an intelligent question.

 

[westwall]

No warrant is needed to monitor foreign powers.

And I can think of many logical reasons for Mueller to postpone sentencing - for example, perhaps he's waiting to see how information given to him by Flynn plays out before he offers a sentence recommendation.

If there was a tap on trump tower there was a warrant. Period. How they obtained that warrant is probably what a good portion of that memo is all about.

No one other than Trump has claimed there was a tap on Trump Tower.

plenty of wingers believe it because the orange chimp said so.

And plenty of proggies believe whatever crap the nyt tells them as well. So far the nyt has a piss poor batting record but that hasn't swayed you all one bit.

you've got that whatabout shit down.

good trumpling

now a little hillary rant would be good about here

go for it- tell us more about what's in the memo you've never seen

does it have any new uranium one stuff?

how about *pizzagate*?

Feel free to point to a single post I made about any of that conspiratorial crap del.

 

[playtime]

What evidence involved in Flynn's lying to the FBI was obtained illegally?

If half of what has been reported is true, then the info they used against flynn was most likely obtained via the illegal FISA warrant. If that is indeed factual, flynn walks.

this might enlighten you on how a FISA warrant is obtained, the protocol & the renewal process; including how flynn got busted along with carter page. it's lengthy, but worth the read.

FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor Trump adviser Carter Page
By Ellen Nakashima, Devlin Barrett and Adam Entous April 11, 2017

FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor Trump adviser Carter Page

I understand how they are supposed to be obtained. It appears the fbi broke all sorts of laws in getting the warrant they wanted. That makes EVERYTHING they got from that warrant inadmissible. It's a real simple concept that you people seem to be missing. Guilty people go free all of the time when the government fucks up and breaks the laws pertaining to gathering evidence.

what laws did the FBI break that you seem to be privvy to? you are hoping that is the case. they have to jump thru hoops to unmask an american. a judge has to sign off on it & it has to reviewed every 90 days.

I never claimed I was privy to anything. Read the thread to see what I have written previously then, when you are up to speed you can ask an intelligent question.

i read the thread & i know you said you are speculating. what you are doing is trying to cast doubt on our intel agencies just like a good trump mook does. maybe you should audition for fox news! man oh man you seem a little desperate.

 

[Lewdog]

Guilty pleas, obtained via illegally gotten evidence, are Vacated not infrequently.

What evidence involved in Flynn's lying to the FBI was obtained illegally?

If half of what has been reported is true, then the info they used against flynn was most likely obtained via the illegal FISA warrant. If that is indeed factual, flynn walks.

this might enlighten you on how a FISA warrant is obtained, the protocol & the renewal process; including how flynn got busted along with carter page. it's lengthy, but worth the read.

FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor Trump adviser Carter Page
By Ellen Nakashima, Devlin Barrett and Adam Entous April 11, 2017

FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor Trump adviser Carter Page

I understand how they are supposed to be obtained. It appears the fbi broke all sorts of laws in getting the warrant they wanted. That makes EVERYTHING they got from that warrant inadmissible. It's a real simple concept that you people seem to be missing. Guilty people go free all of the time when the government fucks up and breaks the laws pertaining to gathering evidence.

what laws did the FBI break that you seem to be privvy to? you are hoping that is the case. they have to jump thru hoops to unmask an american. a judge has to sign off on it & it has to reviewed every 90 days.

If you haven't noticed by now, Westwall is all about hedging his bet. He calls himself an Old School Liberal, but has ALWAYS defended Trump since day one. Trump is about as far from an Old School Liberal as you can get.

 

[Faun]

Not when Flynn and his lawyer signed off that they waived all appeal rights. .

Wrong. If it is found that the DOJ and the FBI broke the law then flynns guilty plea is considered to have been made UNDER DURESS. Look it up. And I suggest you not use wiki or Law and Order reruns for your legal education.

Maybe you don't understand. No matter what happens Flynns and Papadopoulos' guilty pleadings are now etched in stone. Both the accused and their lawyers signed under penalty of perjury, that they waived all appeal rights.

There isn't a court they can go to to change the conviction.

Well that's not true. If Flynn could find proof the evidence used against him was illegally obtained, he could have his plea vacated. Flynn's problem, is that there is apparently no such evidence.