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No, he's saying percentages matter.so you are saying the ability of a law to work depends on the population?
And I'm sure you realize that NATIONAL and consistent gun control laws would change those statistics.
ok, but he is also admitting that laws don't reallly stop crimes. no matter how strick you make a law, it doesn't matter
No, he's saying percentages matter.How many people leave in each state?
so you are saying the ability of a law to work depends on the population?
And I'm sure you realize that NATIONAL and consistent gun control laws would change those statistics.
No, he's saying percentages matter.
And I'm sure you realize that NATIONAL and consistent gun control laws would change those statistics.
ok, but he is also admitting that laws don't reallly stop crimes. no matter how strick you make a law, it doesn't matter
They work in some places, not so much in others. Not having laws hasn't worked out too well for other places.
Chicago has had gun laws for many years. The number of murders there are half of what it was 20 years. Do you attribute that to Chicago's gun laws?
ok, but he is also admitting that laws don't reallly stop crimes. no matter how strick you make a law, it doesn't matter
They work in some places, not so much in others. Not having laws hasn't worked out too well for other places.
Chicago has had gun laws for many years. The number of murders there are half of what it was 20 years. Do you attribute that to Chicago's gun laws?
now you are comparing apples and oranges. chicago's murders by firearm are up. since the assualt weapons ban was removed in 2005 the number of guns owned by us citizens has doubled yet the gun homicide rate has dropped. how is that? the gun ban is lifted, guns double, yet total deaths goes down. interesting
When the media isn't just out and out lying blatantly, they are skewering the truth by omission.
Anyone see or hear any blazing headlines about this father? I bettcha didn't.I just found it.
YAY!
A third parent, however, disagreed, the Connecticut Mirror reports. "I believe in a few simple gun laws.
I think we have more than enough on the books," said Mark Mattioli, father of James, another 6-year-old victim.
"I don't care if you named it James' Law. I don't want it."
Newtown Dad 'Heckled' at Gun Hearing - Parents disagree over assault weapons ban
Why did you leave out the part where he said we need stricter enforcement of existing laws?
but wait, your argument has been on percentages and how important they are. why are you all of a sudden changing your tune? you have told me how important they are 3 times in this thread alone. ok, population is up. number of people who own guns is up. the total number of guns is up. the assualt weapons ban is lifted so the type of guns people are buying are these deadly so called assualt style weapons. yet homicides are down. so why do we need new tougher gun control laws? please expalin with out contradicting yourself this timeThey work in some places, not so much in others. Not having laws hasn't worked out too well for other places.
Chicago has had gun laws for many years. The number of murders there are half of what it was 20 years. Do you attribute that to Chicago's gun laws?
now you are comparing apples and oranges. chicago's murders by firearm are up. since the assualt weapons ban was removed in 2005 the number of guns owned by us citizens has doubled yet the gun homicide rate has dropped. how is that? the gun ban is lifted, guns double, yet total deaths goes down. interesting
How is it comparing apples to oranges? Chicago's murders are up year over year from 2011 to 2012 but down 50% over the last 20 years. Gun homicides have been on a decline in the US since the end of the crack epidemic in the early 1990's, that decrease has nothing to do with the assault weapons ban.
but wait, your argument has been on percentages and how important they are. why are you all of a sudden changing your tune? you have told me how important they are 3 times in this thread alone. ok, population is up. number of people who own guns is up. the total number of guns is up. the assualt weapons ban is lifted so the type of guns people are buying are these deadly so called assualt style weapons. yet homicides are down. so why do we need new tougher gun control laws? please expalin with out contradicting yourself this timenow you are comparing apples and oranges. chicago's murders by firearm are up. since the assualt weapons ban was removed in 2005 the number of guns owned by us citizens has doubled yet the gun homicide rate has dropped. how is that? the gun ban is lifted, guns double, yet total deaths goes down. interesting
How is it comparing apples to oranges? Chicago's murders are up year over year from 2011 to 2012 but down 50% over the last 20 years. Gun homicides have been on a decline in the US since the end of the crack epidemic in the early 1990's, that decrease has nothing to do with the assault weapons ban.
but wait, your argument has been on percentages and how important they are. why are you all of a sudden changing your tune? you have told me how important they are 3 times in this thread alone. ok, population is up. number of people who own guns is up. the total number of guns is up. the assualt weapons ban is lifted so the type of guns people are buying are these deadly so called assualt style weapons. yet homicides are down. so why do we need new tougher gun control laws? please expalin with out contradicting yourself this timeHow is it comparing apples to oranges? Chicago's murders are up year over year from 2011 to 2012 but down 50% over the last 20 years. Gun homicides have been on a decline in the US since the end of the crack epidemic in the early 1990's, that decrease has nothing to do with the assault weapons ban.
Because the decrease in gun homicides started well before the assault weapons ban expired.
but wait, your argument has been on percentages and how important they are. why are you all of a sudden changing your tune? you have told me how important they are 3 times in this thread alone. ok, population is up. number of people who own guns is up. the total number of guns is up. the assualt weapons ban is lifted so the type of guns people are buying are these deadly so called assualt style weapons. yet homicides are down. so why do we need new tougher gun control laws? please expalin with out contradicting yourself this time
Because the decrease in gun homicides started well before the assault weapons ban expired.
nice back pedal. but the number of guns has more than doubled. as has the number of people who have them. as have the type of weapons changed to these deadly assault style weapons. according to your logic the numder of deaths should have risen too. but its declined. again, please explain and please explain why these proposed gun laws will make a difference. now it seem like you are telling me we don't need them
Careful Spoonman, you have him cornered!
The facts are not on your side moron. Apparently math is your enemy as well. Repeat after me, gun control doesn't work on criminals and puts law abiding citizens at risk.
Careful Spoonman, you have him cornered!
The facts are not on your side moron. Apparently math is your enemy as well. Repeat after me, gun control doesn't work on criminals and puts law abiding citizens at risk.
Who let this clown back into the thread?
Careful Spoonman, you have him cornered!
The facts are not on your side moron. Apparently math is your enemy as well. Repeat after me, gun control doesn't work on criminals and puts law abiding citizens at risk.
Who let this clown back into the thread?
You blinked, bad move. The data is right there. Huge city with strict gun control laws near the top of the gun murder heap. Admit the failure of gun control laws.
When the media isn't just out and out lying blatantly, they are skewering the truth by omission.
Anyone see or hear any blazing headlines about this father? I bettcha didn't.
YAY!
A third parent, however, disagreed, the Connecticut Mirror reports. "I believe in a few simple gun laws.
I think we have more than enough on the books," said Mark Mattioli, father of James, another 6-year-old victim.
"I don't care if you named it James' Law. I don't want it."
Newtown Dad 'Heckled' at Gun Hearing - Parents disagree over assault weapons ban
Who let this clown back into the thread?
You blinked, bad move. The data is right there. Huge city with strict gun control laws near the top of the gun murder heap. Admit the failure of gun control laws.
Please explain NYC and New Orleans to me then. Murders in NYC have been consistently decreasing over the last 20 years with tough gun laws. New Orleans consistently has the highest murder rate in the country with no gun laws.
You blinked, bad move. The data is right there. Huge city with strict gun control laws near the top of the gun murder heap. Admit the failure of gun control laws.
Please explain NYC and New Orleans to me then. Murders in NYC have been consistently decreasing over the last 20 years with tough gun laws. New Orleans consistently has the highest murder rate in the country with no gun laws.
Care to provide a link to your claim in bold moron?
When the media isn't just out and out lying blatantly, they are skewering the truth by omission.
Anyone see or hear any blazing headlines about this father? I bettcha didn't.
YAY!
A third parent, however, disagreed, the Connecticut Mirror reports. "I believe in a few simple gun laws.
I think we have more than enough on the books," said Mark Mattioli, father of James, another 6-year-old victim.
"I don't care if you named it James' Law. I don't want it."
Newtown Dad 'Heckled' at Gun Hearing - Parents disagree over assault weapons ban
So?
There shouldn't be a single person in this entire country whose opinion on gun control, one way or the other, means a damn. It's an issue, like so many issues, requiring the individual to make up their own mind. Why don't you cut those puppet strings and become an individual?
Careful Spoonman, you have him cornered!
The facts are not on your side moron. Apparently math is your enemy as well. Repeat after me, gun control doesn't work on criminals and puts law abiding citizens at risk.
Because the decrease in gun homicides started well before the assault weapons ban expired.
nice back pedal. but the number of guns has more than doubled. as has the number of people who have them. as have the type of weapons changed to these deadly assault style weapons. according to your logic the numder of deaths should have risen too. but its declined. again, please explain and please explain why these proposed gun laws will make a difference. now it seem like you are telling me we don't need them
How am I back pedaling? You are stating that the assault weapons ban expiring in 2005 is the reason for the decrease in gun related homicides that began in 1993. That makes no sense.
I never said a ban always leads to a decrease in gun deaths. You can take a look at my previous posts throughout this thread. I also maintain that not having any gun laws isn't going to lead to fewer gun deaths as well as Mississippi and Louisiana show us.
When the media isn't just out and out lying blatantly, they are skewering the truth by omission.
Anyone see or hear any blazing headlines about this father? I bettcha didn't.
YAY!
A third parent, however, disagreed, the Connecticut Mirror reports. "I believe in a few simple gun laws.
I think we have more than enough on the books," said Mark Mattioli, father of James, another 6-year-old victim.
"I don't care if you named it James' Law. I don't want it."
Newtown Dad 'Heckled' at Gun Hearing - Parents disagree over assault weapons ban
So?
There shouldn't be a single person in this entire country whose opinion on gun control, one way or the other, means a damn. It's an issue, like so many issues, requiring the individual to make up their own mind. Why don't you cut those puppet strings and become an individual?
What on earth does one person's opinion have to do with my OP?
I'm attacking the media for burying this part of the incident that happened at the meeting. My OP is strictly about how the media lies "by omission".
They don't give the whole story and instead of presenting the meeting as news, the media turned it into an "editorial".
And with a false narrative beginning with the editing of the first tape. Exactly like NBC did with Zimmerman.
My OP has nothing whatsoever to do with my opinion on gun control. My applause was designed for this gentleman having the balls to state this opinion in a room that leaned towards gun control. He had guts.
With all due respect, you really should go back and read my first post.
