But, But China...! Bah!!!

[Unkotare]

War is not "inevitable."

 

[Unkotare]

China props NK because NK provides a healthy portion of their resources - it's not about political ideology...

The top exports of North Korea are Coal Briquettes ($951M), Non-Knit Men's Coats ($169M), Non-Knit Men's Suits ($153M), Non-Knit Women's Coats ($131M) and Non-Knit Women's Suits ($97.1M)

The top export from NK is counterfeit US currency.

 

[Vastator]

China may not want a War with us but they would want a unified Korea and the loss of N. Korea which would be very possible should we go to War with them.

Whether we like it our not, China has long considered them allies even though they are getting fed up with the little Fat Man as well.

The best we can hope for is to get China to take him out and restore order there, secure the NUKES..............I simply don't see that unless we pressure them on the economic front to try and force this option.

Beyond that.............the little Fat Man cannot keep threatening everyone without a response, and given we really don't know if he is really a lunatic a response would have to be OVERWELMING on the Nuke sites from the onset..............Just 1 getting out would kill a lot of dang people.

Then the artillery barrage across the DMZ would kill a lot of people in Seoul............

It's a dang ugly situation that has been left alone for too long.................hopefully the Chinese can put his ass back on a leash. WIll they........doubtful

And what do you think the odds of us going to war with NK are? Don't you think we should try to avoid that if at all possible?

Of course we should try to avoid it.............But we can't avoid a confrontation if he keeps shooting missiles at everyone.

If the article I just posted is correct.............China is saying if we have a measured response should he fire at Guam........they will stay out of it............

If we GO TO WAR..........they will FIGHT US.

As I said earlier.............they will not allow a unified Korea without a fight.

Sure, if he shoots a missile AT us, then we have every right to retaliate, but I am still kind of wondering if China would really want to go through an all out war with us?

I believe they would move into N. Korea and try another round of we can only fight here like the last time BS........

They will not stand still should we try to unify Korea by force.

Do you think there could be unification? I wonder if the North Korean population is not completely brainwashed.

A full belly, and a pocket full of money has swayed many a man's political opinion.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I wonder how many enslaved Norks are waiting for the adults to come and slap down their fat little dictator?

 

[Vastator]

And what do you think the odds of us going to war with NK are? Don't you think we should try to avoid that if at all possible?

99 to 1. The only real question is "when?".

Really? Because I don't really see this as being much different than the usual blustering that little nincompoop does on a fairly regular basis. It's almost like he does this every 6 months or so for attention. Same as his father before him. They are like attention whores.

And each time he opens his mouth his nuclear capabilities have increased. And will continue to do so unabated. Perhaps we should offer him some of our top of the line nuclear technology?

Why not just send in some CIA assassins or something? Targeted bombing of nuclear facilities might be a good idea, but to go through yet ANOTHER war? I would think most people would want to avoid this.

I read where the S. Korean army has actually considered killing him as a last resort to War. That is on the table.

I believe if we hit his Nuclear sites.............and take them out.............he will unleash artillery on S. Korea forcing a major battle and War.

Seoul is going to get hit. That's a foregone conclusion. As such they've had decades to prepare for such an eventuality. Lets hope it wasn't time wasted.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I wonder if S Korea understands our Second Amendment?

 

[Unkotare]

I wonder if S Korea understands our Second Amendment?

???

 

[Unkotare]

99 to 1. The only real question is "when?".

Really? Because I don't really see this as being much different than the usual blustering that little nincompoop does on a fairly regular basis. It's almost like he does this every 6 months or so for attention. Same as his father before him. They are like attention whores.

And each time he opens his mouth his nuclear capabilities have increased. And will continue to do so unabated. Perhaps we should offer him some of our top of the line nuclear technology?

Why not just send in some CIA assassins or something? Targeted bombing of nuclear facilities might be a good idea, but to go through yet ANOTHER war? I would think most people would want to avoid this.

I read where the S. Korean army has actually considered killing him as a last resort to War. That is on the table.

I believe if we hit his Nuclear sites.............and take them out.............he will unleash artillery on S. Korea forcing a major battle and War.

Seoul is going to get hit. That's a foregone conclusion. As such they've had decades to prepare for such an eventuality. Lets hope it wasn't time wasted.

Prepare how?

 

[Unkotare]

And what do you think the odds of us going to war with NK are? Don't you think we should try to avoid that if at all possible?

Of course we should try to avoid it.............But we can't avoid a confrontation if he keeps shooting missiles at everyone.

If the article I just posted is correct.............China is saying if we have a measured response should he fire at Guam........they will stay out of it............

If we GO TO WAR..........they will FIGHT US.

As I said earlier.............they will not allow a unified Korea without a fight.

Sure, if he shoots a missile AT us, then we have every right to retaliate, but I am still kind of wondering if China would really want to go through an all out war with us?

I believe they would move into N. Korea and try another round of we can only fight here like the last time BS........

They will not stand still should we try to unify Korea by force.

Do you think there could be unification? I wonder if the North Korean population is not completely brainwashed.

A full belly, and a pocket full of money has swayed many a man's political opinion.

Sounds like you're ready for a seat in the CCP. That's been their philosophy for the past 40 years.

 

[The Irish Ram]

This situation is eerily similar to the Kennedy vs Khrushchev Cuban missile crisis. Except Kennedy had the support of his patriotic country behind him. He won that standoff. If we went to war with NoKo now, half of this country would root for NoKo.
This world is choosing up sides for war. On Korea's team is Russia, China and Iran to name a few. We have no team. Our team used to be Europe. Europe is now the EU/UN. We can't rely on them. We can take out NoKo. Can we take out all the rest?
We are going to get hit. Where and by how many, we don't know.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I wonder if S Korea understands our Second Amendment?

???

Of course you don't understand

 

[frigidweirdo]

China has not only stated, but has no reason, to war with America. We make up a massive chunk of their economy. I do not think they will back NK against us even despite the fact that NK provides them with all the resources they need to build shit to sell to us; I suspect they'd rather buy AND sell to us than have neither - which would be the case if they went to war with us regardless. My 2 cents.

I've considered that as well. Even if we should attack first; NK will be gone. Then it's a matter of money. Who makes them more profit? NK, or the US? There is a fair chance China's bluffing. We want trade with China. China needs trade with the US. We are China's economy.

And a total lack of understanding of the whole affair on your part too.

North Korea wouldn't just be gone with one attack. And whatever happens will be more complex than you think.

Cool straw man. Build it yourself? No one said they'd be "gone in one attack", but you.

Think about what happens if North Korea isn't gone in one attack, it means they fight back. Think about the Powell Doctrine.

A fight, fought by us unencumbered by leftist pussy ideology; we'd win.

Well, hate to tell you this, but the left is a part of the world you live in. And winning is what? How many thousands of Americans need die just so Trump can feel good about himself? The US is still paying for the last wars, and another one, making the defense contractors rich again, so the politicians can take their slice and tell you that you want war.

Why do you want war? Simply because you're told you want war.

 

[frigidweirdo]

China has not only stated, but has no reason, to war with America. We make up a massive chunk of their economy. I do not think they will back NK against us even despite the fact that NK provides them with all the resources they need to build shit to sell to us; I suspect they'd rather buy AND sell to us than have neither - which would be the case if they went to war with us regardless. My 2 cents.

I've considered that as well. Even if we should attack first; NK will be gone. Then it's a matter of money. Who makes them more profit? NK, or the US? There is a fair chance China's bluffing. We want trade with China. China needs trade with the US. We are China's economy.

And a total lack of understanding of the whole affair on your part too.

North Korea wouldn't just be gone with one attack. And whatever happens will be more complex than you think.

Cool straw man. Build it yourself? No one said they'd be "gone in one attack", but you.

Think about what happens if North Korea isn't gone in one attack, it means they fight back. Think about the Powell Doctrine.

I say follow the Gadaffi Doctrine.

In my opinion, if war is unavoidable the first wave of attack in the dozens, hundreds if need be, would be the place where Little Kim sleeps at night. Take him out and the path to peace becomes much easier.

I remember before Desert Storm, "the Mother of all battles", remember that? It was supposed to be a multi-year campaign, the campaign was complete in the blink of an eye.

North Korea might have a strong army and air defense, but it's like any target. The nation doesn't move, it's a stationary piece of land. America and it's allies need to engage hard now and rile up the North Korean citizens with propaganda/facts, pamphlets dropped from the skies as were done in the past. Expose the lies of North Korea and how they are being isolated and used, sponsor some regime change internally with the promise of great economic benefits. Let the little sob who dares threaten you with a nuke attack that not only will there be war, but he will not be a ruler much longer.

I was fully supportive of a peaceful solution in the past, I still am, but the marker has moved significantly, this guy has nukes and has threatened America, it's territory and allies.. Hell, notice even Obama has been quiet of late, probably realising there are serious issues facing America and it's best he stay out of things and let those in power (let's face it, the generals in the case of war time) find the solution they see fit.

Just as I have always supported free trade, but won't simply drink from the kool-aid indefinitely when I see China stealing American wealth and expanding militarily, I cannot just say "hey, war is bad people will die" when the alternative is the death of millions of innocent citizens in the West.

Cannot and will not happen if any responsible government and WORLD leaders are concerned. This is a global problem.

How is war with a country on the other side of the war "unavoidable"?

Basically Trump wants to look like the strong man so he's pushing everything to make it "unavoidable".

Imagine if Andorra ended up at war with Swaziland because it was "unavoidable", ridiculous.

 

[Vastator]

I've considered that as well. Even if we should attack first; NK will be gone. Then it's a matter of money. Who makes them more profit? NK, or the US? There is a fair chance China's bluffing. We want trade with China. China needs trade with the US. We are China's economy.

And a total lack of understanding of the whole affair on your part too.

North Korea wouldn't just be gone with one attack. And whatever happens will be more complex than you think.

Cool straw man. Build it yourself? No one said they'd be "gone in one attack", but you.

Think about what happens if North Korea isn't gone in one attack, it means they fight back. Think about the Powell Doctrine.

A fight, fought by us unencumbered by leftist pussy ideology; we'd win.

Well, hate to tell you this, but the left is a part of the world you live in. And winning is what? How many thousands of Americans need die just so Trump can feel good about himself? The US is still paying for the last wars, and another one, making the defense contractors rich again, so the politicians can take their slice and tell you that you want war.

Why do you want war? Simply because you're told you want war.

Your myopic view, and single minded hatred of the election outcome will serve you no benefit, in defense of your country.

 

[frigidweirdo]

And a total lack of understanding of the whole affair on your part too.

North Korea wouldn't just be gone with one attack. And whatever happens will be more complex than you think.

Cool straw man. Build it yourself? No one said they'd be "gone in one attack", but you.

Think about what happens if North Korea isn't gone in one attack, it means they fight back. Think about the Powell Doctrine.

A fight, fought by us unencumbered by leftist pussy ideology; we'd win.

Well, hate to tell you this, but the left is a part of the world you live in. And winning is what? How many thousands of Americans need die just so Trump can feel good about himself? The US is still paying for the last wars, and another one, making the defense contractors rich again, so the politicians can take their slice and tell you that you want war.

Why do you want war? Simply because you're told you want war.

Your myopic view, and single minded hatred of the election outcome will serve you no benefit, in defense of your country.

You just keep telling me what I think then..... waste of time.

 

[rightwinger]

China may not want a War with us but they would want a unified Korea and the loss of N. Korea which would be very possible should we go to War with them.

Whether we like it our not, China has long considered them allies even though they are getting fed up with the little Fat Man as well.

The best we can hope for is to get China to take him out and restore order there, secure the NUKES..............I simply don't see that unless we pressure them on the economic front to try and force this option.

Beyond that.............the little Fat Man cannot keep threatening everyone without a response, and given we really don't know if he is really a lunatic a response would have to be OVERWELMING on the Nuke sites from the onset..............Just 1 getting out would kill a lot of dang people.

Then the artillery barrage across the DMZ would kill a lot of people in Seoul............

It's a dang ugly situation that has been left alone for too long.................hopefully the Chinese can put his ass back on a leash. WIll they........doubtful

And what do you think the odds of us going to war with NK are? Don't you think we should try to avoid that if at all possible?

Of course we should try to avoid it.............But we can't avoid a confrontation if he keeps shooting missiles at everyone.

If the article I just posted is correct.............China is saying if we have a measured response should he fire at Guam........they will stay out of it............

If we GO TO WAR..........they will FIGHT US.

As I said earlier.............they will not allow a unified Korea without a fight.

Sure, if he shoots a missile AT us, then we have every right to retaliate, but I am still kind of wondering if China would really want to go through an all out war with us?

I believe they would move into N. Korea and try another round of we can only fight here like the last time BS........

They will not stand still should we try to unify Korea by force.

Do you think there could be unification? I wonder if the North Korean population is not completely brainwashed.

I don't think China wants a unified Korea

 

[Unkotare]

I wonder if S Korea understands our Second Amendment?

???

Of course you don't understand

Try me

 

[Unkotare]

Cool straw man. Build it yourself? No one said they'd be "gone in one attack", but you.

Think about what happens if North Korea isn't gone in one attack, it means they fight back. Think about the Powell Doctrine.

A fight, fought by us unencumbered by leftist pussy ideology; we'd win.

Well, hate to tell you this, but the left is a part of the world you live in. And winning is what? How many thousands of Americans need die just so Trump can feel good about himself? The US is still paying for the last wars, and another one, making the defense contractors rich again, so the politicians can take their slice and tell you that you want war.

Why do you want war? Simply because you're told you want war.

Your myopic view, and single minded hatred of the election outcome will serve you no benefit, in defense of your country.

You just keep telling me what I think then..... waste of time.

But you telling him how he thinks is better?

 

[Vikrant]

The problem isn't China and it's military today, it is China and it's military tomorrow.

If the West just continues to prop up this back stabbing, dirty, expanding Communist state, you can be sure America and the West will be looking at a Chinese military which will be superior one day, it's inevitable. So why are some so eager to help out this Communist, anti-democratic, liberty oppressing powerhouse government in China?

If any of these businesses went there and spoke of human rights, freedom and virtue, they would be met with a boot in the behind or worse. Where is the support for the many millions in China who have the courage to stand up to their oppressive regime in the face of imminent death in many cases, while so many in the West in the comfort of our air conditioned homes (some in their mansions) are more than happy to appease and arm this government?

I say it's about time America plays hardball with China, really at what better time and what better administration will it occur? China has to stop North Korea and/or replace the government in N Korea. Hit China with sanctions, hit them hard, don't apologize for it to either to the Commies or Western businesses who can't see past their short term quarterly profits. This has now gone well beyond the unchallenged expansion in the South Southern Sea by China, which threatens many U.S allies, and is now at the point of all out nuclear war of the West. Play time is over, nice talk is over. Carry a big stick and swing it with gusto, it's the only language abusive, totalitarian governments understand.

God Bless America! Get 'er done Trump!

Even Hitler was not this greedy when it came to land grab. China has reached a new low in breaking international laws. As of today it has dispute with India, Bhutan, Vietnam, Japan, Taiwan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Philippines, S Korea and The United States of America. If Australia were not compromised, you would see Australia in that list as well. By the way your country, Canada is also heavily compromised by CPC (Communist Party of China). You guys need to do a better job of keeping a tab at CPC sympathizers in your country.

 

[Vastator]

This situation is eerily similar to the Kennedy vs Khrushchev Cuban missile crisis. Except Kennedy had the support of his patriotic country behind him. He won that standoff. If we went to war with NoKo now, half of this country would root for NoKo.
This world is choosing up sides for war. On Korea's team is Russia, China and Iran to name a few. We have no team. Our team used to be Europe. Europe is now the EU/UN. We can't rely on them. We can take out NoKo. Can we take out all the rest?
We are going to get hit. Where and by how many, we don't know.

Not only can we not depend on the loyalty of a large chunk of our own countrymen. Many of these same sycophants feel that the Americans who live in territories lives; aren't worth going to war over...