But, we only want gay marriage....once we get that, then we will come after your churches....

[Polishprince]

the guy who belongs to a cult started by a kiddy-diddling con-artist.

Harry Hays, the card carrying Commie NAMBLA supporter who started the 'Gay Rights' hoax? You love him, Joe; he's a' hero' to your ilk.

Anyone that would harm children should be executed within my opinion. Quite seriously, most gays don't do that sort of thing and it is an dead on falsehood to state that they do. It is disinformation.

It is also "bearing false witness" in the Christian faith, and probably in other faiths.

A lot of homosexuals try to recruit minors. Do "most"? I don't know, and neither do you.

But a lot do, and that's why experts highly recommend that "Boys Beware" (of homosexuality)

 

[SomeDudeUDunno]

Beto........he will go after the tax exempt status of any church that refuses to do gay weddings....

The democrats hate the Constitution and freedom...the 1st and 2nd Amendments will not exist if the democrat get total power....

Beto Vows to Strip Tax-Exempt Status From Churches That Oppose Gay Marriage

Barack Obama's IRS may have targeted conservative groups for extra scrutiny, but Obama never pledged to strip tax-exempt status from organizations that disagreed with his position on an issue.

Yet on Thursday, former Rep. Beto O'Rourke (D-Texas) said he would strip tax-exempt status from any religious organization that supports traditional marriage, defined as one man and one woman. In fact, his position essentially amounts to a government preference for pro-gay marriage religious bodies that likely violates the Establishment Clause.

CNN's Don Lemon quoted O'Rourke's policy on LGBT issues, which states: "Freedom of religion is a fundamental right but it should not be used to discriminate."

"Do you think religious institutions — like colleges, churches, charities — should they lose their tax-exempt status if they oppose same-sex marriage?" Lemon asked.

"Yes," O'Rourke replied — to loud applause from the audience.

Should have never let the faggots out of the closet. They're trash people, period.

 

[Rustic]

"Religious assholes"? What's the matter with you?

I have no use for people who want us all to live by Bronze Age Superstitions?

OH, no, wait. That's what's RIGHT with me?

Lol
And yet you live in your mothers basement

 

[Rustic]

Medicare for all is veterinary medicine for humans. The owner of a dog chooses whether to pay for a treatment or not. No one asks a cat if she wants to be put down. In medicare for all, the government is the owner.

I'm pretty sure no one is going to put you down without your permission.

A health care system run by the government doesn't care if you are happy or not. It's the government. You are out of options. If the government thinks some treatment is too expensive you will die.

How is that any different than what an insurance company does? Except an insurance company actually has a profit motive the government doesn't - to pay big dividends to shareholders and executives.

When employees are unhappy with the choice of health care plans the employer finds another insurance company. It's called competition and the government doesn't have it.

The keyword being the EMPLOYER would find another insurance company. You think your employer cares whether or not you live or die? THey just get another one.

What I remember about Employer-provided health care, other than my two-year fight to actually get them to pay for my surgeries, was every year the HR Cow would get us all in a meeting and let us know it was open enrollment time, and how this year, the insurance would cost a little more and cover a little less.

Lol
Do you want worst possible healthcare? Let the government be in control of it... fact

 

[SomeDudeUDunno]

the guy who belongs to a cult started by a kiddy-diddling con-artist.

Harry Hays, the card carrying Commie NAMBLA supporter who started the 'Gay Rights' hoax? You love him, Joe; he's a' hero' to your ilk.

Anyone that would harm children should be executed within my opinion. Quite seriously, most gays don't do that sort of thing and it is an dead on falsehood to state that they do. It is disinformation.

It is also "bearing false witness" in the Christian faith, and probably in other faiths.

A lot of homosexuals try to recruit minors. Do "most"? I don't know, and neither do you.

But a lot do, and that's why experts highly recommend that "Boys Beware" (of homosexuality)

Fags are trash. Never let anyone tell you otherwise.

 

[Rustic]

As there is no 'intrinsic' definition of marriage. Marriage has always been whatever we say it is.

And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.’

And another religious book defines marriage differently. The Muslims define marriage as between a man and up to 4 women. Polygamy was common in the old testament and among many different cultures. Marriage used to forbid interracial unions. Or between religions. Or include children as young as 9.

Marriage has been malleable, defined by the people that use it for their own institution and times.

That you disagree...is irrelevant. As you have nothing to do with anyone else's marriage.

As far as the federal government goes, it should be none of their business on how many and whatever anyone wants to marry, if they wanna marry a fence post they can....

 

[Rustic]

And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.’

And when was the last time we stoned a woman for not being a virgin on her wedding night, like the bible says we should?

Even on the note you list, if this is what Jesus said, and Jesus is always to be obeyed, why do 50% of marriages end in divorce?

Lol
Silly little fucker, Christ determines what a Christian is no one else… Human nature is a born fuck up

 

[Rustic]

I agree Joe, and somehow the citizens need protections from the cycle of bullcrap going on in the insurance industry. Regs are probably the only things that will work, but what form they will or should come in is the million dollar question. We don't need government take over of the private industry, but we do need protections from gouging and service over charges etc. When ever something doesn't work for the people, then a redress of grievance is and should always be available to solve the issues. There is so much corruption anymore that this country is almost gone. Sad situation. Can't believe that I'm even agreeing with you on anything, but sometimes you might hit the nail on the head.

Or we can just go to single payer like every other civilized country has.

The idea that you can regulate the greed of the insurance industry is just insane. This was the mistake of the ACA, that the insurance companies PROMISED they'd play nice, and they just went over the new law with a fine tooth comb to see if they could find new ways to cheat people.

Lol
So replace the insurance companies with the corruption of the federal government which is on a whole different level… Much more corrupt and larger.

 

[Rustic]

Freedom of Religion has always been big problem for the Democrat Bigots.
Most Liberals are not very bright or informed people.
They don't understand our constitution.

Where is tax exemptions for churches listed in the constitution?

Lol
Why give anything any tax exemption than? You fucking spineless hypocrite

 

[Rustic]

Why should they? They're non-profits, and re property taxes they're exempt via their protection from any laws re the establishment clause; taxes are assessed by governments and set by legislation. They do get taxed on properties they aren't using for church purposes, such as empty lots set aside for future use but currently not used, and pastors and any paid church employees have to pay income and payroll taxes on their earnings like anybody else. You're just ignorant of the facts, as usual.

Okay... I know you are a bit slow due to the learning disability... but this is what we are discussing here.

Are homophobic, hateful churches entitled to a tax exemption?

We've already established that RACIST churches aren't entitled to tax exemptions... neither should homophobic churches.

And you'd be amazed how fast God will suddenly change his mind on the gays when these corrupt assholes have to pay taxes.

Lol
Race is not an choice, LGBT shit is... 100%

 

[Rustic]

It's even better than that.

No, it's really not.. but that wasn't my point. My point is that your churches should be DEAD SET AGAINST DIVORCE, but they really aren't.

Article #213 in my "Why I utterly despise religion book".

2007 we buried my brother in law.
2008 we buried my creepy uncle.

Well, my brother in law, kind of did everything right, by the Church's thinking. He and my sister were married for 31 years, they had two kids, raised them in the church, he worked part time for a church as a handyman when he retired from his position in the laborer's union.

The priest at his wake just went through the motions. Insert name here... read the obligatory bible passage.

Of course, he wasn't having his funeral in the church and they cremated him instead of burying him. So the Church wasn't making any money on that deal.... so I guess we should have been happy he put in that much of an effort.

Meanwhile, my jackass uncle dumped his wife of 20 years for a younger trophy wife, but he gave a shitload of money to the church, and to hear the Priest tell it, he was such a great guy, and not the pompous ass we all remember. The Trophy Wife even got a shout out.

Seriously, this taxing the churches and auditing their books sounds better and better all the time.

Lol
The Catholic Church does not speak for Christianity

 

[Rustic]

Did the war do something to you? DO you have PTSD? Did you bump your head? What?

Are you OBLIGATED To be an a$$hole all the time to everyone? Or what?

Naw, I'm the nicest guy in the world...

Now, funny thing, people who've read my writing before they came across me in person often say my writing is bombastic and harsh, which it is.. it is my writing style, after all.... but in person, I come off as the nicest person they've met.

I don't judge anyone by their writing..

Lol
You’re a bitter little man living in his mother’s basement....

 

[Rustic]

You really are not a deep thinker joe.....

Duly noted you couldn't refute the point I made, but you never can, DickTiny.

Lol
There you go again with penis obsession, it seems your mother gave you a very, very bad upbringing.
You must sit in your mothers basement and watch gay porn or something with your penis obsession...

 

[Rustic]

Government isnt permitted to interfere in the affairs of the church. Controlling their words thru taxation is state control of religion.

You have drifted far off topic in your effort to demonize the church

Nobody is interferring with their dogma...

But Churches have to obey the same laws as the rest of us. It's why I can't start my own Church of Queztacoatl and start cutting the hearts out of my enemies... those pesky murder laws prohibit it, no matter what the first amendment says.

Where would you meet at your mothers basement?

 

[Rustic]

But you noticed that he will not go after those mosques that forces women to wear hijabs.

Who is being "forced" to wear a Hijab? Frankly, most of the Muslim women I know don't wear hijabs.

American Muslim women don't need you to save them from Islam. They need your respect.

Lol
Actually Muslims act too faced, when they control the country there is no tolerance of any other beliefs.
You should learn that before you speak on such things... You spineless coward.

 

[Rustic]

Is single payer the same as socialism or would it be in the form of socialist healthcare ? Otherwise so here I am wanting a customized plan that suits my needs, and one that is set up in the way that I want it set up, but I can't get that in a government run system correct ?

Why do you think you could get that in a employer-provided system? Here's what you get in a private system... whatever saves your boss money, and if they can save money by cutting you off if you get too sick, so be it.

So what next, socialized medicine begins to appear as if it works, but only for the lazy and those leeching off of others, and so the worker's get screwed over like it is in other things that are screwing them over right now ?? Yeah that's the ticket right Joe, just disinsentivize the system so we all take our place in line just like good little communist Chinese, Russian's and any other communist do ???? Don't think so Joe.

Ah, the massive fear of the Wingnut... that some darkie might be getting the same thing I get...

If anything we need to just bring back the systems that worked in the past, and are those that rewarded people instead of punishes people. Of course with all the dependency the demoncrats created in the past, I can see why you think in the ways that you do, but what amount of numbers are representing your positions today ? If there are huge numbers, then it's just more evidence of the failed Democrat party. You should be furious with them, and if not then you helped in creating their bad policies and bad habit's by blindly supporting them.

This is where you are deluded about "the past". For most of our history, the rich did very well and the working class got worked pretty much to death from childhood to early death. Then we developed unions that made sure working folks got a fair share, had the greatest prosperity in the world (for white people, anyway), and the rich just hated that and have spent the last 50 years or so getting dumb people like you to give it all away.

The reality- the biggest welfare programs are White People Welfare of Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment insurance... big old white folk entitlements even Republicans won't openly try to dismantle. They'll just try to quietly try to do it and point to them "Welfare folks" you think are getting over on you for not having the initiative to be born white and male in this society. Lazy bastards.

MEANWHILE, White folks in Europe have single payer.

They spend less per capita, live longer, have a lower infant mortality rate than we do. Bunch of fucking socialists making us look bad!

Lol
We don’t want the government to control us such things, because they fuck everything up they touch

 

[jillian]

Beto........he will go after the tax exempt status of any church that refuses to do gay weddings....

The democrats hate the Constitution and freedom...the 1st and 2nd Amendments will not exist if the democrat get total power....

Beto Vows to Strip Tax-Exempt Status From Churches That Oppose Gay Marriage

Barack Obama's IRS may have targeted conservative groups for extra scrutiny, but Obama never pledged to strip tax-exempt status from organizations that disagreed with his position on an issue.

Yet on Thursday, former Rep. Beto O'Rourke (D-Texas) said he would strip tax-exempt status from any religious organization that supports traditional marriage, defined as one man and one woman. In fact, his position essentially amounts to a government preference for pro-gay marriage religious bodies that likely violates the Establishment Clause.

CNN's Don Lemon quoted O'Rourke's policy on LGBT issues, which states: "Freedom of religion is a fundamental right but it should not be used to discriminate."

"Do you think religious institutions — like colleges, churches, charities — should they lose their tax-exempt status if they oppose same-sex marriage?" Lemon asked.

"Yes," O'Rourke replied — to loud applause from the audience.

What are you talking about psycho boy?

 

[Rustic]

What an arrogant, mean spirited response....Others are not here for "your use" in case you didn't know...

If people find solace in their religious experiences, then that is a positive thing as far as I am concerned....

What exactly is your problem with people that believe in God?

What's my problem with people who support superstition?

Um.
Crusades
Inquisitions
Witch-burnings
Suppression of Science
Covering up for Child Molesting Priests
Suppression of women
Support for slavery

Here is your superstition... The federal government will take care of you

 

[Flash]

It is quite appropriate that the Democrats are mostly the party of queers.

One of the Party's problems with relying on a core base of loons and mentally ill deviants and racist sociopaths is that latinos and blacks as demographics despise faggots and faggot 'marriage' laws. They were the major blocs that got Prop 8 passed in California, only to have it illegally struck down by a faggot Judge who had no business being on a Federal bench. The Party will never ever nominate a faggot like Buttplug for Prez, no matter how much the national leadership runs around proclaiming 'Diversity'.

And besides, politicizing a sexual fetish indicative of mental illness and deviancy is only something lunatics and psychopaths do; churches and pastors have just as much right to condemn those sickos as they do abortion and other forms of murder, stealing, drunkenness, etc. Only idiots buy the fiction that just because some tards managed to sell the stupidity as a 'civil rights issue' to stoners and other deviant scumbags doesn't obligate adults to go along and pretend it is. Faggots have all the legal protections anybody else does; they aren't denied a thing. It's made up rubbish that they are.

The filthy Democrat Party is a coalition of all the scum in America.

Blacks that vote their race and welfare checks, Environmental Wackos, Anti Gun Nuts, Illegals, greedy Union thugs, Feminazis, Queers, Welfare Queens, Communists and confused college kids and their batshit crazy Marxist professors.

 

[Rustic]

Plenty of people smiling in people's faces while maybe stabbing them in the back. Not what you do is it Joe ? The world is full of those kind these days.

Naw, I don't stab anyone in the back.

If you are on my bad side... you know it..

Usually a pretty good idea NOT to get on my bad side.

Lol
Internet tough guy