But, we only want gay marriage....once we get that, then we will come after your churches....

[beagle9]

Did the war do something to you? DO you have PTSD? Did you bump your head? What?

Are you OBLIGATED To be an a$$hole all the time to everyone? Or what?

Naw, I'm the nicest guy in the world...

Now, funny thing, people who've read my writing before they came across me in person often say my writing is bombastic and harsh, which it is.. it is my writing style, after all.... but in person, I come off as the nicest person they've met.

I don't judge anyone by their writing..

Plenty of people smiling in people's faces while maybe stabbing them in the back. Not what you do is it Joe ? The world is full of those kind these days.

 

[beagle9]

Is single payer the same as socialism or would it be in the form of socialist healthcare ? Otherwise so here I am wanting a customized plan that suits my needs, and one that is set up in the way that I want it set up, but I can't get that in a government run system correct ?

Why do you think you could get that in a employer-provided system? Here's what you get in a private system... whatever saves your boss money, and if they can save money by cutting you off if you get too sick, so be it.

So what next, socialized medicine begins to appear as if it works, but only for the lazy and those leeching off of others, and so the worker's get screwed over like it is in other things that are screwing them over right now ?? Yeah that's the ticket right Joe, just disinsentivize the system so we all take our place in line just like good little communist Chinese, Russian's and any other communist do ???? Don't think so Joe.

Ah, the massive fear of the Wingnut... that some darkie might be getting the same thing I get...

If anything we need to just bring back the systems that worked in the past, and are those that rewarded people instead of punishes people. Of course with all the dependency the demoncrats created in the past, I can see why you think in the ways that you do, but what amount of numbers are representing your positions today ? If there are huge numbers, then it's just more evidence of the failed Democrat party. You should be furious with them, and if not then you helped in creating their bad policies and bad habit's by blindly supporting them.

This is where you are deluded about "the past". For most of our history, the rich did very well and the working class got worked pretty much to death from childhood to early death. Then we developed unions that made sure working folks got a fair share, had the greatest prosperity in the world (for white people, anyway), and the rich just hated that and have spent the last 50 years or so getting dumb people like you to give it all away.

The reality- the biggest welfare programs are White People Welfare of Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment insurance... big old white folk entitlements even Republicans won't openly try to dismantle. They'll just try to quietly try to do it and point to them "Welfare folks" you think are getting over on you for not having the initiative to be born white and male in this society. Lazy bastards.

MEANWHILE, White folks in Europe have single payer.

They spend less per capita, live longer, have a lower infant mortality rate than we do. Bunch of fucking socialists making us look bad!

You are so brainwashed from your liberalism and life's experiences that it's pathetic. Project much Joe ? I tire at responding to your bullcrap, so I'll just let others deal with your radical partisan brainwashed leftist jealous of the world mind. Oh and quit trying to drag everyone into your hellish pit with you. Socialism doesn't work, and you and your communist types need to go live where such systems already exist, and leave America alone.

 

[JoeB131]

Plenty of people smiling in people's faces while maybe stabbing them in the back. Not what you do is it Joe ? The world is full of those kind these days.

Naw, I don't stab anyone in the back.

If you are on my bad side... you know it..

Usually a pretty good idea NOT to get on my bad side.

 

[j-mac]

What an arrogant, mean spirited response....Others are not here for "your use" in case you didn't know...

If people find solace in their religious experiences, then that is a positive thing as far as I am concerned....

What exactly is your problem with people that believe in God?

What's my problem with people who support superstition?

Um.
Crusades
Inquisitions
Witch-burnings
Suppression of Science
Covering up for Child Molesting Priests
Suppression of women
Support for slavery

Oh Brother! Look, if you don't want to believe in religion, or God, that is just fine, you don't have to, and NO ONE is forcing you to...

Why don't liberals learn to let people live their own lives and believe what they want?

Remember Jefferson's quote on the matter:

"But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

 

[JoeB131]

Oh Brother! Look, if you don't want to believe in religion, or God, that is just fine, you don't have to, and NO ONE is forcing you to...

Why don't liberals learn to let people live their own lives and believe what they want?

Remember Jefferson's quote on the matter:

"But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

Here's the underlying problem.

You guys love your sky man, and you keep voting for guys like Trump who hate Gays and Mexicans, just like Jesus did.

They proceed to fuck up the country for the rest of us...

Now, if you kept your stupidity in your churches, like Jefferson intended, I probably wouldn't have much of a problem with you.

You don't.

 

[j-mac]

Oh Brother! Look, if you don't want to believe in religion, or God, that is just fine, you don't have to, and NO ONE is forcing you to...

Why don't liberals learn to let people live their own lives and believe what they want?

Remember Jefferson's quote on the matter:

"But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

Here's the underlying problem.

You guys love your sky man, and you keep voting for guys like Trump who hate Gays and Mexicans, just like Jesus did.

They proceed to fuck up the country for the rest of us...

Now, if you kept your stupidity in your churches, like Jefferson intended, I probably wouldn't have much of a problem with you.

You don't.

Me? Where did I say I was religious? See, that's the flaw in your arguments....You can't help but at some point making it personal, and attacking others...

As you say: ...."you keep voting for guys like Trump"....

THAT'S the real rub for liberals like you isn't it? YOU can't stand that others think differently than you do, and disagree with your world view, so, you think that rather than coming up with solid arguments, and better ideas, it is just easier to mock, smear, attack them personally, and generally use Alinsky tactics against them to silence their voices, when you would never stand for that being used against yourself....

You're a hypocrite, and not a very well educated one at that....There, like that?

 

[bodecea]

Beto........he will go after the tax exempt status of any church that refuses to do gay weddings....

The democrats hate the Constitution and freedom...the 1st and 2nd Amendments will not exist if the democrat get total power....

Beto Vows to Strip Tax-Exempt Status From Churches That Oppose Gay Marriage

Barack Obama's IRS may have targeted conservative groups for extra scrutiny, but Obama never pledged to strip tax-exempt status from organizations that disagreed with his position on an issue.

Yet on Thursday, former Rep. Beto O'Rourke (D-Texas) said he would strip tax-exempt status from any religious organization that supports traditional marriage, defined as one man and one woman. In fact, his position essentially amounts to a government preference for pro-gay marriage religious bodies that likely violates the Establishment Clause.

CNN's Don Lemon quoted O'Rourke's policy on LGBT issues, which states: "Freedom of religion is a fundamental right but it should not be used to discriminate."

"Do you think religious institutions — like colleges, churches, charities — should they lose their tax-exempt status if they oppose same-sex marriage?" Lemon asked.

"Yes," O'Rourke replied — to loud applause from the audience.

Has the Catholic Church lost its special privilege by refusing to marry previously divorced people?

 

[Papageorgio]

Beto........he will go after the tax exempt status of any church that refuses to do gay weddings....

The democrats hate the Constitution and freedom...the 1st and 2nd Amendments will not exist if the democrat get total power....

Beto Vows to Strip Tax-Exempt Status From Churches That Oppose Gay Marriage

Barack Obama's IRS may have targeted conservative groups for extra scrutiny, but Obama never pledged to strip tax-exempt status from organizations that disagreed with his position on an issue.

Yet on Thursday, former Rep. Beto O'Rourke (D-Texas) said he would strip tax-exempt status from any religious organization that supports traditional marriage, defined as one man and one woman. In fact, his position essentially amounts to a government preference for pro-gay marriage religious bodies that likely violates the Establishment Clause.

CNN's Don Lemon quoted O'Rourke's policy on LGBT issues, which states: "Freedom of religion is a fundamental right but it should not be used to discriminate."

"Do you think religious institutions — like colleges, churches, charities — should they lose their tax-exempt status if they oppose same-sex marriage?" Lemon asked.

"Yes," O'Rourke replied — to loud applause from the audience.

Churches lose their tax exempt status when they turn political.

Not performing a marriage is not political. It is a decision based on a belief system. It is the state interfering with religion.

You may see churches stop preforming weddings if they are pushed, which is also a solution.

 

[beagle9]

What an arrogant, mean spirited response....Others are not here for "your use" in case you didn't know...

If people find solace in their religious experiences, then that is a positive thing as far as I am concerned....

What exactly is your problem with people that believe in God?

What's my problem with people who support superstition?

Um.
Crusades
Inquisitions
Witch-burnings
Suppression of Science
Covering up for Child Molesting Priests
Suppression of women
Support for slavery

Oh Brother! Look, if you don't want to believe in religion, or God, that is just fine, you don't have to, and NO ONE is forcing you to...

Why don't liberals learn to let people live their own lives and believe what they want?

Remember Jefferson's quote on the matter:

"But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

Exactly, but we know how that's gone over the years. It's to the point that their desperation is either them breaking legs or them having legs broken or they are driving others (on either side) to break legs out of extreme frustration about what is going on (using leg breaking as a metaphor of course). Inject what ever metaphor needed to describe the situation's found in today's politics.

 

[whitehall]

Freedom of religion was so important to the Founding Fathers that it was first on the list in the Bill of Rights. The petty whining of homosexuals about baking a freaking wedding cake is laughable.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Catholics, Mormons and Lutherans will put Beto in his place.

The question that should be asked to Beto is if he will enforce this with every religion or just Christianity?

 

[Lysistrata]

The underlying problem is that this "fight" is asymetrical. On one side are some religious groups that opposes LGBTs and same-sex marriage.They get tax exemptions and other perks from the government. On the other side are people who are being targeted for the mere fact that they have a particular sexual orientation, and they do not get these same exemptions and perks. Donations to the Human Rights Campaign, for example, are not tax deductible, and donations to these religious groups are, yet both are political groups.

Nowadays, religious groups and political groups are indistinguishable.

Even it out, one way or the other.

 

[Yarddog]

Islam opposes gay marriage, you cretin. Would they be losing their tax exempt status too, or do you just have the white evangelicals?

Since White Evangelicals have all the political power, just them.

Joe the non-racist enjoys calling Asian-American women racist slurs when they disagree with him too.

Yes, because only Asian women are mail order brides... Oh, wait. They aren't.

Incidentally, I love Asian Chicks... They're hot.

Lying Joe is too much of a coward to admit it and instead likes to call me an "Islamophobe" for pointing it out.

Well, no, I call you an Islamophobe because you OUTRIGHT LIE about what they believe. Such as claiming a cultural practice like FGM is condoned by Islam when it is in fact a custom that predates Christianity and Islam, but it practiced by both.

I have no problem with LEGITIMATE criticism of Islam or any other religion. The problem is, as August points out, most of the things you can say bad about Fundamentalist Islam also applies to Fundamentalist Christianity.

I have rarely met a person of smaller character than you, either online or in person

Yawn, Sue, you are such an easy target...

Too stupid to realize that when the One Percenters get you all upset about the Mean Old Muslims, it's because they want to dupe you into happily sending poor working class kids off to wars the profit from.

Since White Evangelicals have all the political power, just them.

Your opinion. Your making what small churches all around the country may believe in or not, into something political. And anyway, white Evangelicals don't have any power over muslim congregations. That is utter bullshit.
Muslims police their own according to their customs and there is pressure within muslim communities to conform.
If your going to demand Christians everywhere to hold gay weddings then you also need to send your political activists into mosques as well demanding gay weddings. You cant choose one religion over another. That would be the government singling out one religion.

 

[Lysistrata]

Islam opposes gay marriage, you cretin. Would they be losing their tax exempt status too, or do you just have the white evangelicals?

Since White Evangelicals have all the political power, just them.

Joe the non-racist enjoys calling Asian-American women racist slurs when they disagree with him too.

Yes, because only Asian women are mail order brides... Oh, wait. They aren't.

Incidentally, I love Asian Chicks... They're hot.

Lying Joe is too much of a coward to admit it and instead likes to call me an "Islamophobe" for pointing it out.

Well, no, I call you an Islamophobe because you OUTRIGHT LIE about what they believe. Such as claiming a cultural practice like FGM is condoned by Islam when it is in fact a custom that predates Christianity and Islam, but it practiced by both.

I have no problem with LEGITIMATE criticism of Islam or any other religion. The problem is, as August points out, most of the things you can say bad about Fundamentalist Islam also applies to Fundamentalist Christianity.

I have rarely met a person of smaller character than you, either online or in person

Yawn, Sue, you are such an easy target...

Too stupid to realize that when the One Percenters get you all upset about the Mean Old Muslims, it's because they want to dupe you into happily sending poor working class kids off to wars the profit from.

Since White Evangelicals have all the political power, just them.

Your opinion. Your making what small churches all around the country may believe in or not, into something political. And anyway, white Evangelicals don't have any power over muslim congregations. That is utter bullshit.
Muslims police their own according to their customs and there is pressure within muslim communities to conform.
If your going to demand Christians everywhere to hold gay weddings then you also need to send your political activists into mosques as well demanding gay weddings. You cant choose one religion over another. That would be the government singling out one religion.

Who is demanding that any religious group hold a wedding ceremony? Last I heard, no one.

 

[Flash]

It is quite appropriate that the Democrats are mostly the party of queers.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

I don’t know if it’s even wise to respond to such illogic. But for the benefit of other readers, I will.
Skin color is not a behavior.

Sexual Orientation is not a behavior.

If you are under any such delusion it is, then when did you "Decide" to be "Straight"?

But Islam is anti SSM also chucklehead...the rest of your BS is meaningless...as usual

I suspect that the IRS will do what the IRS does... selectively enforce the law... So the Mosques will probably be left alone while the Flaming Idiots in the Fundy Churches will get the audits...

It is only a behavior as far as anyone else is concerned. An unnatural proclivity. Male homo sex is innately disgusting to most males. Same as booger-eating.

 

[JoeB131]

[

Me? Where did I say I was religious? See, that's the flaw in your arguments....You can't help but at some point making it personal, and attacking others...

As you say: ...."you keep voting for guys like Trump"....

THAT'S the real rub for liberals like you isn't it? YOU can't stand that others think differently than you do, and disagree with your world view, so, you think that rather than coming up with solid arguments, and better ideas, it is just easier to mock, smear, attack them personally, and generally use Alinsky tactics against them to silence their voices, when you would never stand for that being used against yourself....

You're a hypocrite, and not a very well educated one at that....There, like that?

Trump supporters don't think they "emote". Trump blames the fucking over you've taken from the One Percent on the Mexicans, and you are stupid enough to keep buying into it.

Nice whining about Alinsky.. Alinsky lives in your head.

 

[22lcidw]

The underlying problem is that this "fight" is asymetrical. On one side are some religious groups that opposes LGBTs and same-sex marriage.They get tax exemptions and other perks from the government. On the other side are people who are being targeted for the mere fact that they have a particular sexual orientation, and they do not get these same exemptions and perks. Donations to the Human Rights Campaign, for example, are not tax deductible, and donations to these religious groups are, yet both are political groups.

Nowadays, religious groups and political groups are indistinguishable.

Even it out, one way or the other.

Reality is that this may not end well. Two sides far apart. Someone is going to be hurt bad in this.

 

[j-mac]

[

Me? Where did I say I was religious? See, that's the flaw in your arguments....You can't help but at some point making it personal, and attacking others...

As you say: ...."you keep voting for guys like Trump"....

THAT'S the real rub for liberals like you isn't it? YOU can't stand that others think differently than you do, and disagree with your world view, so, you think that rather than coming up with solid arguments, and better ideas, it is just easier to mock, smear, attack them personally, and generally use Alinsky tactics against them to silence their voices, when you would never stand for that being used against yourself....

You're a hypocrite, and not a very well educated one at that....There, like that?

Trump supporters don't think they "emote". Trump blames the fucking over you've taken from the One Percent on the Mexicans, and you are stupid enough to keep buying into it.

Nice whining about Alinsky.. Alinsky lives in your head.

Man, you're losin' it....now you're going to devolve into tropes about the 1%....hahaha....I guess I won that one....loser.

 

[mdk]

I love that the faggot haters are still whining about faggots getting married. Some of ya’ll need to get a life and worry about your own households.