CA Governor Brown pushes for 5 million zero-emission cars

[DrLove]

Yes, Kitzhaber let his little head overrule his big head. Thus far, Brown is doing well.

From what I've seen of her - I LIKE! The move to automate voter registration was brilliant and cost-saving.

Think she's presidential material?

 

[DrLove]

No, it does not. ONE prototype exists. The range is unknown, the performance is unknown. The Tesla semi is vaporware.

You're just being silly now. UPS doesn't invest in vaporware.

UPS orders 125 Tesla big-rig trucks that look as if they were designed for Batman

 

[Old Rocks]

there is a chemical reaction in the batteries that emits gases...that breaks the zero emission idea..

Okay fair enuf - however not much of a comparison

Gasoline vs Electric—Who Wins on Lifetime Global Warming Emissions? We Found Out

I don’t give a shit keep that shit to yourselves, good ol’ American horse power works just fine for me.

You mean those slow ass antique ICE's? Tesla P100D 2.28 seconds 0 to 60.

2017 Tesla Model S P100D First Test: A New Record - 0-60 MPH in 2.28 Seconds! - Motor Trend

The only cars that can match it start out at about 1 million dollars. Porche, MaClaren, and Ferrari. And then there is the Roadster coming out in 2020. 1.9 seconds 0 to 60. And none of those can match that yet. But they will, Ferrari has already said that they will build a car that can beat that. Probably for about a million dollars versus the built in American Roadster that will have a base model that sells for 1/4 that. No specs on the performance of the upscale model. Oh yeah, 620 miles range.

Yeah...when you rig the test, it looks GREAT! Car & Driver ran their Tesla at the 2016 Lightning Lap at VIR...it didn't fare very well.

On a roadcourse, the Tesla gets its ass kicked by a "mighty" Hyundai Genesis and a Chevy Cobalt SS. (It did match a 5600lb Jeep Grand Cherokee, though.) It cannot make ONE lap without going into reduced-power mode! (In fact, it barely makes a quarter of a lap.)

The Tesla also has the distinction of being one of exactly two cars to have the brakes go completely to the floor...fortunately, unlike the other car it happened to, they didn't crash the Tesla.

The Tesla is not a race car. This is;

 

[Old Rocks]

Yes, Kitzhaber let his little head overrule his big head. Thus far, Brown is doing well.

From what I've seen of her - I LIKE! The move to automate voter registration was brilliant and cost-saving.

Think she's presidential material?

Could be, don't know if she is interested.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Personally I'd take great joy in passing them at the gas station at the end of the day and laughing my ass off.

More likely, them passing me by where I'd be stopped by the roadside, with drained batteries; waiting for a tow truck to tow me to the nearest charge station, and then to the nearest place where I can rent another car to get me the rest of the way home, then back the next day to where my car was left charging overnight.

Except that I'm not dumb enough that if I had that kind of money, I'd spend it on a smaller electric car that was inadequate for my needs, when, for the same money, I could get a bigger, more durable vehicle, with more range, and more room for me and my tools.

 

[Old Rocks]

Except when you are traveling, why would this be an issue? You charge it up at night when you are doing other things. As far as that goes, bet this won't be an issue in five years.

Let renewables mature into a viable energy source, there is no hurry.

Already a very viable energy source, and getting bigger every year.

The future of renewable energy is in Texas

Renewable energy isn't at a crossroads in the U.S. so much as on a two-lane highway: While the federal government hits the gas on fossil fuels, states are speeding ahead to develop renewable energy -- and reaching new milestones.

For example, enough solar energy is being collected every year to power all the single-family homes in Florida. Three states generate more than one-third of their energy from wind and solar. Some 160,000 electric cars were sold last year -- enough to supply the entire population of Fort Lauderdale, Florida. And earlier this year, wind and solar produced one-tenth of the nation's energy for an entire month.

A recent report highlights the states that are most quickly embracing renewable energy. And the leaders are not what many people might expect. Yes, California has some of the most pro-environment laws on the books. But the state that produces the most renewable energy in terms of sheer quantity? It's Texas. The states that generate the largest portion of their power from renewables: Iowa, Oklahoma, Kansas and the Dakotas.

Looks to me as if renewables are coming on like gangbusters.

Like I said I have no problem with renewables, They just are not mature enough to be a viable energy source yet. When their time is here great there’s no hurry.
Up here in the northern plains they are not A viable energy source whatsoever.

Liar. 5,000 to 7,999 MW in North Dakata, 2,000 to 4,999 MW in South Dakota and Nebraska. Much more to come when we get a forward looking admin that will find a way to put a grid to where the wind is.

Renewables don’t work worth a shit up here, there is far too much distance between population centers. Plus they’re constantly tearing down turbinesThey put up just a few years ago because the bearings wear out killing the efficiency.
Solar is a bit better and farther along but still there is not enough real estate to supply the energy needs

DICKINSON -- While the oil boom in North Dakota may be over, the recent wind boom could be here to stay.

In the past decade, there have been more than 400 wind turbines placed on the western side of the state with an additional 550 proposed to be constructed by 2018.

The North Dakota Public Service Commission has approved every wind farm in the state and Commissioner Brian Kalk said there will only be more wind farm developments in the future.


“North Dakota’s wind capacity is the best in the country,” Kalk said.

Kalk said other states are relying on North Dakota to reach renewable energy portfolio standards in the future. Thirty states have adopted RPS, which requires a specific percentage or amount of renewable energy sources such as wind, solar, biomass and geothermal be produced within a certain amount of time.

Western North Dakota in the midst of a wind boom

Funny, the people in North Dakota say different.

 

[Old Rocks]

Except when you are traveling, why would this be an issue? You charge it up at night when you are doing other things. As far as that goes, bet this won't be an issue in five years.

Let renewables mature into a viable energy source, there is no hurry.

Already a very viable energy source, and getting bigger every year.

The future of renewable energy is in Texas

Renewable energy isn't at a crossroads in the U.S. so much as on a two-lane highway: While the federal government hits the gas on fossil fuels, states are speeding ahead to develop renewable energy -- and reaching new milestones.

For example, enough solar energy is being collected every year to power all the single-family homes in Florida. Three states generate more than one-third of their energy from wind and solar. Some 160,000 electric cars were sold last year -- enough to supply the entire population of Fort Lauderdale, Florida. And earlier this year, wind and solar produced one-tenth of the nation's energy for an entire month.

A recent report highlights the states that are most quickly embracing renewable energy. And the leaders are not what many people might expect. Yes, California has some of the most pro-environment laws on the books. But the state that produces the most renewable energy in terms of sheer quantity? It's Texas. The states that generate the largest portion of their power from renewables: Iowa, Oklahoma, Kansas and the Dakotas.

Looks to me as if renewables are coming on like gangbusters.

Like I said I have no problem with renewables, They just are not mature enough to be a viable energy source yet. When their time is here great there’s no hurry.
Up here in the northern plains they are not A viable energy source whatsoever.

Liar. 5,000 to 7,999 MW in North Dakata, 2,000 to 4,999 MW in South Dakota and Nebraska. Much more to come when we get a forward looking admin that will find a way to put a grid to where the wind is.

Renewables don’t work worth a shit up here, there is far too much distance between population centers. Plus they’re constantly tearing down turbinesThey put up just a few years ago because the bearings wear out killing the efficiency.
Solar is a bit better and farther along but still there is not enough real estate to supply the energy needs

Looks like people in South Dakota like wind power, also;

South Dakota Wind Energy Projects

 

[Old Rocks]

Unable to make a serious comment, so you post a stupid cartoon? The Tesla 3 will run off and hide from anything that you own. And do it on a quarter of the cost of your gasoline.

Yep, unless our furry friend owns a Lamborghini or some such

Tesla Model 3 accelerates from 0-60 mph in 4.6 secs – faster than Tesla advertises

Children and fanboys talk about 0-60. What is the 1/4 mile time and trap speed?

Tesla Model 3 hits 60 MPH in 4.66 seconds, passes quarter mile in 13.3

Tesla Model 3 hits 60 MPH in 4.66 seconds, passes quarter mile in 13.3

Respectable.

 

[Wyatt earp]

No, it does not. ONE prototype exists. The range is unknown, the performance is unknown. The Tesla semi is vaporware.

You're just being silly now. UPS doesn't invest in vaporware.

UPS orders 125 Tesla big-rig trucks that look as if they were designed for Batman

From your link what's wrong with the propane electrics?


compressed natural gas alt-fuel vehicles that we’re already using the metro area."




.

 

[Old Rocks]

My 92 chevy dually has two tanks , from South Carolina to Las Vegas I would be there a day already before you check in driving a telsa clown.

Wanna put a few grand on that my furry friend?

Longest Range Electric Car = Tesla Model S 100D (335 Miles!) | CleanTechnica

Music to the ears, and the smell of roses... lol

Noisy stinky rigs undrivable on the street.

Watch a Tesla Model S P100D set a new world record for a quarter-mile run

Now for most car manufacturers, the Model S P100D would represent an incredible achievement not in need of improvement. But seeing as how Elon Musk is an absolute glutton for raw speed, Tesla over the past few months has made the P100D even more of a speed demon.

Thanks to a recent over the air software update, P100D owners can now take advantage of a new Ludicrous+ Mode that can take the car from 0-60 in just 2.4 seconds. All the more impressive is that Musk relayed via a tweet earlier this month that a 0-60 time of 2.34 seconds might even be possible.

As for the P100D’s quarter mile time, well, that’s been improved upon as well. In fact, DragTimes recently took a few P100D vehicles out for a spin this weekend where they pushed the cars to new heights. Taking to a track at the Palm Beach International Raceway in Florida, DragTimes manged to post an official 1/4 mile time of just 10.72 seconds.

The video below which chronicles the achievement pits a Model S P100D against a 2017 640HP Cadillac CTS-V. When the dust settled, the Model S “set a new world record for the quickest stock 4 door sedan.” As a point of interest, the previous world record stood at 10.76 seconds

And you can cruise the Tesla through the Safeway parking lot without any noise whatsoever and in the comfort of a high end luxury car.

No, that is horseshit. A Charger ran a 10.59 stock last year!

Try fully reading the article. It said that was a record for the Tesla, not for production sedans. Guess which car will make 100,000 miles and beyond? LOL

 

[Wyatt earp]

Unable to make a serious comment, so you post a stupid cartoon? The Tesla 3 will run off and hide from anything that you own. And do it on a quarter of the cost of your gasoline.

Yep, unless our furry friend owns a Lamborghini or some such

Tesla Model 3 accelerates from 0-60 mph in 4.6 secs – faster than Tesla advertises

Children and fanboys talk about 0-60. What is the 1/4 mile time and trap speed?

Tesla Model 3 hits 60 MPH in 4.66 seconds, passes quarter mile in 13.3

Tesla Model 3 hits 60 MPH in 4.66 seconds, passes quarter mile in 13.3

Respectable.

It's an electric motor, big fucking deal we knew about this for over 150 years...

You act like you were born yesterday .

 

[Old Rocks]

First of all Tesla’s look like shit, Second of all they sound like shit, third of all no one can afford them, Fourth they are not tested for longevity, Fifth they run off of extremely toxic batteries, six accompany a subsidized by the US government so it makes it extremely worthless.

You don't know what you're talking about. They're built like a brick shithouse and the new 3 starts at 36k (BEFORE incentives). Grab your favorite petrol guzzler and meet me at the track Rufus.

Sure...but let's do a nice 250-mile back road loop on the way there, first. Oh, wait...if you do that, you won't be able to run, because your batteries are drained! My old Grem runs 10-flat, my wife's GN runs 10.70s. My Caddy would run high 11's, but that got me kicked out.

And you'll get bounced from the track for the same reason I did: no rollbar.

Maybe, maybe not;

The Tesla Model S Is So Safe It Broke the Crash-Testing Gear

Most cars get five stars in the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s frontal crash protection test and four stars for side impact protection. But the Model S aced them all: front, side, pole, and rollover. And Tesla adds in its announcement that during a previous roof crush test used during validation, the machine failed while applying more than 4 G’s of pressure — the same as stacking four of the electric sedans on top of the car without the roof breaking.

When NHTSA added up all the scores, it totaled a combined five stars across the board — one of the highest ever recorded for a production vehicle.

 

[Wyatt earp]

My 92 chevy dually has two tanks , from South Carolina to Las Vegas I would be there a day already before you check in driving a telsa clown.

Wanna put a few grand on that my furry friend?

Longest Range Electric Car = Tesla Model S 100D (335 Miles!) | CleanTechnica

Music to the ears, and the smell of roses... lol

Noisy stinky rigs undrivable on the street.

Watch a Tesla Model S P100D set a new world record for a quarter-mile run

Now for most car manufacturers, the Model S P100D would represent an incredible achievement not in need of improvement. But seeing as how Elon Musk is an absolute glutton for raw speed, Tesla over the past few months has made the P100D even more of a speed demon.

Thanks to a recent over the air software update, P100D owners can now take advantage of a new Ludicrous+ Mode that can take the car from 0-60 in just 2.4 seconds. All the more impressive is that Musk relayed via a tweet earlier this month that a 0-60 time of 2.34 seconds might even be possible.

As for the P100D’s quarter mile time, well, that’s been improved upon as well. In fact, DragTimes recently took a few P100D vehicles out for a spin this weekend where they pushed the cars to new heights. Taking to a track at the Palm Beach International Raceway in Florida, DragTimes manged to post an official 1/4 mile time of just 10.72 seconds.

The video below which chronicles the achievement pits a Model S P100D against a 2017 640HP Cadillac CTS-V. When the dust settled, the Model S “set a new world record for the quickest stock 4 door sedan.” As a point of interest, the previous world record stood at 10.76 seconds

And you can cruise the Tesla through the Safeway parking lot without any noise whatsoever and in the comfort of a high end luxury car.

No, that is horseshit. A Charger ran a 10.59 stock last year!

Try fully reading the article. It said that was a record for the Tesla, not for production sedans. Guess which car will make 100,000 miles and beyond? LOL

Tell us when it makes it to 3 million miles ..also tell us when they will make an average cell phone battery that will last more then a day ...


Case in point is Irv Gordon of East Patchogue, New York, who holds the Guinness world record for racking up the highest mileage in the same vehicle. At last count he's clocked over 2,900,000 miles on the Volvo 1800 S coupe he purchased back in 1966 and is aiming for a cool three million.Dec 9, 2011
Cars That Can Run For Over 200,000 Miles - Forbes

 

[Old Rocks]

No, it does not. ONE prototype exists. The range is unknown, the performance is unknown. The Tesla semi is vaporware.

You're just being silly now. UPS doesn't invest in vaporware.

UPS orders 125 Tesla big-rig trucks that look as if they were designed for Batman

From your link what's wrong with the propane electrics?


compressed natural gas alt-fuel vehicles that we’re already using the metro area."




.

I would guess cost.

 

[Old Rocks]

Unable to make a serious comment, so you post a stupid cartoon? The Tesla 3 will run off and hide from anything that you own. And do it on a quarter of the cost of your gasoline.

Yep, unless our furry friend owns a Lamborghini or some such

Tesla Model 3 accelerates from 0-60 mph in 4.6 secs – faster than Tesla advertises

Children and fanboys talk about 0-60. What is the 1/4 mile time and trap speed?

Tesla Model 3 hits 60 MPH in 4.66 seconds, passes quarter mile in 13.3

Tesla Model 3 hits 60 MPH in 4.66 seconds, passes quarter mile in 13.3

Respectable.

It's an electric motor, big fucking deal we knew about this for over 150 years...

You act like you were born yesterday .

That is the way you post. Your problem.

 

[Old Rocks]

Wanna put a few grand on that my furry friend?

Longest Range Electric Car = Tesla Model S 100D (335 Miles!) | CleanTechnica

Music to the ears, and the smell of roses... lol

Noisy stinky rigs undrivable on the street.

Watch a Tesla Model S P100D set a new world record for a quarter-mile run

Now for most car manufacturers, the Model S P100D would represent an incredible achievement not in need of improvement. But seeing as how Elon Musk is an absolute glutton for raw speed, Tesla over the past few months has made the P100D even more of a speed demon.

Thanks to a recent over the air software update, P100D owners can now take advantage of a new Ludicrous+ Mode that can take the car from 0-60 in just 2.4 seconds. All the more impressive is that Musk relayed via a tweet earlier this month that a 0-60 time of 2.34 seconds might even be possible.

As for the P100D’s quarter mile time, well, that’s been improved upon as well. In fact, DragTimes recently took a few P100D vehicles out for a spin this weekend where they pushed the cars to new heights. Taking to a track at the Palm Beach International Raceway in Florida, DragTimes manged to post an official 1/4 mile time of just 10.72 seconds.

The video below which chronicles the achievement pits a Model S P100D against a 2017 640HP Cadillac CTS-V. When the dust settled, the Model S “set a new world record for the quickest stock 4 door sedan.” As a point of interest, the previous world record stood at 10.76 seconds

And you can cruise the Tesla through the Safeway parking lot without any noise whatsoever and in the comfort of a high end luxury car.

No, that is horseshit. A Charger ran a 10.59 stock last year!

Try fully reading the article. It said that was a record for the Tesla, not for production sedans. Guess which car will make 100,000 miles and beyond? LOL

Tell us when it makes it to 3 million miles ..also tell us when they will make an average cell phone battery that will last more then a day ...


Case in point is Irv Gordon of East Patchogue, New York, who holds the Guinness world record for racking up the highest mileage in the same vehicle. At last count he's clocked over 2,900,000 miles on the Volvo 1800 S coupe he purchased back in 1966 and is aiming for a cool three million.Dec 9, 2011
Cars That Can Run For Over 200,000 Miles - Forbes

The Tesla Semi is guaranteed for 1 million miles. Most fleets only keep their diesels for 500,000 miles because of maintenance issues.

 

[DrLove]

More likely, them passing me by where I'd be stopped by the roadside, with drained batteries; waiting for a tow truck to tow me to the nearest charge station, and then to the nearest place where I can rent another car to get me the rest of the way home, then back the next day to where my car was left charging overnight.

Except that I'm not dumb enough that if I had that kind of money, I'd spend it on a smaller electric car that was inadequate for my needs, when, for the same money, I could get a bigger, more durable vehicle, with more range, and more room for me and my tools.

Lol Bob, assuming you don't arrive home too drunk to remember to plug it in, the 320 mile range is gonna get you through your 160 mile R/T commute just fine.

But guaranteed, one of your work buds will arrive on the job in one of these around 5 years from today and you'll go WHAAAAAA

An electric pickup truck will be Tesla's top priority after the Model Y

 

[Wyatt earp]

No, it does not. ONE prototype exists. The range is unknown, the performance is unknown. The Tesla semi is vaporware.

You're just being silly now. UPS doesn't invest in vaporware.

UPS orders 125 Tesla big-rig trucks that look as if they were designed for Batman

From your link what's wrong with the propane electrics?


compressed natural gas alt-fuel vehicles that we’re already using the metro area."




.

I would guess cost.

Not sure the only thing I can compare it too, is propane and electric fork lifts (because that's what I am so familiar with the past 30 years) but then again it's a different application, or electric golf carts compared to gas ATVs , but then again it's a different application..


Ok we could compare it to electric busses and diesel busses ...electric busses around here can only do short haul stuff the diesels do the continuous work to keep on schedule.

 

[Wyatt earp]

More likely, them passing me by where I'd be stopped by the roadside, with drained batteries; waiting for a tow truck to tow me to the nearest charge station, and then to the nearest place where I can rent another car to get me the rest of the way home, then back the next day to where my car was left charging overnight.

Except that I'm not dumb enough that if I had that kind of money, I'd spend it on a smaller electric car that was inadequate for my needs, when, for the same money, I could get a bigger, more durable vehicle, with more range, and more room for me and my tools.

Lol Bob, assuming you don't arrive home too drunk to remember to plug it in, the 320 mile range is gonna get you through your 160 mile R/T commute just fine.

But guaranteed, one of your work buds will arrive on the job in one of these around 5 years from today and you'll go WHAAAAAA

An electric pickup truck will be Tesla's top priority after the Model Y

Why no trailer hitch?

 

[Old Rocks]

Our latest buses here are diesel electric hybrids.