Calif Prop 63: No ammo without a permit and a background check

[Pumpkin Row]

If a gun owner is too dumb to get a permit that's their fault .

Tell me, Timmy, do you support voter ID laws?

Not these laws that require a specific IDS. There are lots of ways to ID. It's worked for years .

So, you're saying it's okay to require a permit, but not a free ID? Is that what you're saying?

 

[Timmy]

And in Mass you need a gun license to buy ammo .

and they can cross the border to NH and buy all the ammo they want, cash on the barrelhead.

Good example on how sensible gun control is sabotaged by gun nut states . Then they say "gun laws don't work!"

How is 3-6 months of waiting and a $1000 in fees for a revolver permit sensible?

What state are you taking about ?

I suppose guns should be available out of vending machines .

 

[Fenton Lum]

This is getting ludicrous.

Having failed (so far) to take away people's guns, the liberals are now trying to pretend bullets aren't part of "arms" and so they can restrict them, and stop any sales of ammo they didn't give a permit for.

Sort of like saying you can buy a car, but can't buy any gasoline (or charge the batteries if it's electric) for it. But that's not restricting the car, oh no, not at all.

For this proposition, you have to have a background check each and every time you buy even one bullet. That's in addition to the permit the liberals required you to get from them.

Boy, that's going to stop the muggers, murderers, and terrorists who have plenty of black-market sources.

In fact, of course, the only people it will stop from firing their guns, are the people who obey laws, even silly laws like this one. And that group of people is diminishing daily as more and more such silly laws get passed. If they pass.

Criminals will be unaffected.

It seems like every law the liberals try to pass, has that result: It only restricts and punishes the law-abiding.

State's right bub, move and vote there.

My rights override state's rights.

Guess you can take your gun out there and make it happen pard.

 

[Timmy]

If a gun owner is too dumb to get a permit that's their fault .

Tell me, Timmy, do you support voter ID laws?

Not these laws that require a specific IDS. There are lots of ways to ID. It's worked for years .

So, you're saying it's okay to require a permit, but not a free ID? Is that what you're saying?

Yeah . Because you don't want crazy criminals getting guns .

The result is a bunch of dead people !

 

[Fenton Lum]

And in Mass you need a gun license to buy ammo .

and they can cross the border to NH and buy all the ammo they want, cash on the barrelhead.

Good example on how sensible gun control is sabotaged by gun nut states . Then they say "gun laws don't work!"

How is 3-6 months of waiting and a $1000 in fees for a revolver permit sensible?

What state are you taking about ?

I suppose guns should be available out of vending machines .

And 3D printers at home.

 

[martybegan]

And in Mass you need a gun license to buy ammo .

and they can cross the border to NH and buy all the ammo they want, cash on the barrelhead.

Good example on how sensible gun control is sabotaged by gun nut states . Then they say "gun laws don't work!"

How is 3-6 months of waiting and a $1000 in fees for a revolver permit sensible?

What state are you taking about ?

I suppose guns should be available out of vending machines .

That is NYC gun law. and your attempt at argumentum ad absurdum is noted.

Answer the question. is a 3-6 month wait and $1000 in fees for a revolver home permit infringement?

 

[martybegan]

This is getting ludicrous.

Having failed (so far) to take away people's guns, the liberals are now trying to pretend bullets aren't part of "arms" and so they can restrict them, and stop any sales of ammo they didn't give a permit for.

Sort of like saying you can buy a car, but can't buy any gasoline (or charge the batteries if it's electric) for it. But that's not restricting the car, oh no, not at all.

For this proposition, you have to have a background check each and every time you buy even one bullet. That's in addition to the permit the liberals required you to get from them.

Boy, that's going to stop the muggers, murderers, and terrorists who have plenty of black-market sources.

In fact, of course, the only people it will stop from firing their guns, are the people who obey laws, even silly laws like this one. And that group of people is diminishing daily as more and more such silly laws get passed. If they pass.

Criminals will be unaffected.

It seems like every law the liberals try to pass, has that result: It only restricts and punishes the law-abiding.

State's right bub, move and vote there.

My rights override state's rights.

Guess you can take your gun out there and make it happen pard.

Nice dodge, dickless.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

If a gun owner is too dumb to get a permit that's their fault .

Tell me, Timmy, do you support voter ID laws?

Not these laws that require a specific IDS. There are lots of ways to ID. It's worked for years .

So, you're saying it's okay to require a permit, but not a free ID? Is that what you're saying?

Yeah . Because you don't want crazy criminals getting guns .

The result is a bunch of dead people !

Would they be criminals in the first place if laws prevented them from conducting criminal activity?

 

[Auld Phart]

And in Mass you need a gun license to buy ammo .

and they can cross the border to NH and buy all the ammo they want, cash on the barrelhead.

Good example on how sensible gun control is sabotaged by gun nut states . Then they say "gun laws don't work!"

sensible?

Only in your pipe dreams

 

[Auld Phart]

If a gun owner is too dumb to get a permit that's their fault .

Tell me, Timmy, do you support voter ID laws?

Not these laws that require a specific IDS. There are lots of ways to ID. It's worked for years .

You'd be willing to allow someone buy a firearm using their library card?

No?

the why allow them to vote using it for ID?

 

[Timmy]

And in Mass you need a gun license to buy ammo .

and they can cross the border to NH and buy all the ammo they want, cash on the barrelhead.

Good example on how sensible gun control is sabotaged by gun nut states . Then they say "gun laws don't work!"

How is 3-6 months of waiting and a $1000 in fees for a revolver permit sensible?

What state are you taking about ?

I suppose guns should be available out of vending machines .

That is NYC gun law. and your attempt at argumentum ad absurdum is noted.

Answer the question. is a 3-6 month wait and $1000 in fees for a revolver home permit infringement?

I think that's an excessive amount .

 

[Fenton Lum]

This is getting ludicrous.

Having failed (so far) to take away people's guns, the liberals are now trying to pretend bullets aren't part of "arms" and so they can restrict them, and stop any sales of ammo they didn't give a permit for.

Sort of like saying you can buy a car, but can't buy any gasoline (or charge the batteries if it's electric) for it. But that's not restricting the car, oh no, not at all.

For this proposition, you have to have a background check each and every time you buy even one bullet. That's in addition to the permit the liberals required you to get from them.

Boy, that's going to stop the muggers, murderers, and terrorists who have plenty of black-market sources.

In fact, of course, the only people it will stop from firing their guns, are the people who obey laws, even silly laws like this one. And that group of people is diminishing daily as more and more such silly laws get passed. If they pass.

Criminals will be unaffected.

It seems like every law the liberals try to pass, has that result: It only restricts and punishes the law-abiding.

State's right bub, move and vote there.

My rights override state's rights.

Guess you can take your gun out there and make it happen pard.

Nice dodge, dickless.

Reckon you're just fucked then.

 

[Timmy]

If a gun owner is too dumb to get a permit that's their fault .

Tell me, Timmy, do you support voter ID laws?

Not these laws that require a specific IDS. There are lots of ways to ID. It's worked for years .

So, you're saying it's okay to require a permit, but not a free ID? Is that what you're saying?

Yeah . Because you don't want crazy criminals getting guns .

The result is a bunch of dead people !

Would they be criminals in the first place if laws prevented them from conducting criminal activity?

What's your point ? We should have no criminal laws ?

 

[Timmy]

If a gun owner is too dumb to get a permit that's their fault .

Tell me, Timmy, do you support voter ID laws?

Not these laws that require a specific IDS. There are lots of ways to ID. It's worked for years .

You'd be willing to allow someone buy a firearm using their library card?

No?

the why allow them to vote using it for ID?

Funny you should bring that up . Gun licenses are allowed for voter ID . How convenient for the GOP passing these laws !

 

[jon_berzerk]

And in Mass you need a gun license to buy ammo .

and they can cross the border to NH and buy all the ammo they want, cash on the barrelhead.

Good example on how sensible gun control is sabotaged by gun nut states . Then they say "gun laws don't work!"

How is 3-6 months of waiting and a $1000 in fees for a revolver permit sensible?

What state are you taking about ?

I suppose guns should be available out of vending machines .

And 3D printers at home.

already are

lots of home made guns out there

 

[Auld Phart]

Did I say gun licenses?

Is that another deflection?

 

[Fenton Lum]

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/permits/HandGunLicenseApplicationFormsComplete.pdf

And in Mass you need a gun license to buy ammo .

and they can cross the border to NH and buy all the ammo they want, cash on the barrelhead.

Good example on how sensible gun control is sabotaged by gun nut states . Then they say "gun laws don't work!"

How is 3-6 months of waiting and a $1000 in fees for a revolver permit sensible?

What state are you taking about ?

I suppose guns should be available out of vending machines .

That is NYC gun law. and your attempt at argumentum ad absurdum is noted.

Answer the question. is a 3-6 month wait and $1000 in fees for a revolver home permit infringement?

Hmmm ...

Fees. Two (2) separate fees are required. These are payable by certified check, bank check, money order or

credit card. All fees are non-refundable.
– $340.00 - Made payable to New York City Police Department
– $ 89.75 - Made payable to New York City Police Department

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/permits/HandGunLicenseApplicationFormsComplete.pdf

Are you sure you got all your restitution fees paid off first Marty?

 

[Fenton Lum]

and they can cross the border to NH and buy all the ammo they want, cash on the barrelhead.

Good example on how sensible gun control is sabotaged by gun nut states . Then they say "gun laws don't work!"

How is 3-6 months of waiting and a $1000 in fees for a revolver permit sensible?

What state are you taking about ?

I suppose guns should be available out of vending machines .

And 3D printers at home.

already are

lots of home made guns out there

Well if ya can get a zip gun in prison I reckon so.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Tell me, Timmy, do you support voter ID laws?

Not these laws that require a specific IDS. There are lots of ways to ID. It's worked for years .

So, you're saying it's okay to require a permit, but not a free ID? Is that what you're saying?

Yeah . Because you don't want crazy criminals getting guns .

The result is a bunch of dead people !

Would they be criminals in the first place if laws prevented them from conducting criminal activity?

What's your point ? We should have no criminal laws ?

Sounds like you don't understand plain English. My point is that restricting the ability of law-abiding citizens to protect themselves in order to accomplish... absolutely nothing, since it wouldn't actually stop criminals, and that's your excuse for agreeing with the law in the first place. The point of laws is to discourage people from committing crimes due to the consequences, the biggest difference here is that every other law doesn't stop hurt those that follow said law.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Good example on how sensible gun control is sabotaged by gun nut states . Then they say "gun laws don't work!"

How is 3-6 months of waiting and a $1000 in fees for a revolver permit sensible?

What state are you taking about ?

I suppose guns should be available out of vending machines .

And 3D printers at home.

already are

lots of home made guns out there

Well if ya can get a zip gun in prison I reckon so.

yup