Calif Prop 63: No ammo without a permit and a background check

[Auld Phart]

So, you're saying it's okay to require a permit, but not a free ID? Is that what you're saying?

Yeah . Because you don't want crazy criminals getting guns .

The result is a bunch of dead people !

Would they be criminals in the first place if laws prevented them from conducting criminal activity?

What's your point ? We should have no criminal laws ?

Sounds like you don't understand plain English. My point is that restricting the ability of law-abiding citizens to protect themselves in order to accomplish... absolutely nothing, since it wouldn't actually stop criminals, and that's your excuse for agreeing with the law in the first place. The point of laws is to discourage people from committing crimes due to the consequences, the biggest difference here is that every other law doesn't stop hurt those that follow said law.

The law abiding can get their gun .

I live in mass . To get a gun you take a safety course . Then apply for your license wh your local PD. You get it, then you can buy a gun .

You need that license to buy ammo also .

Then apply for your license wh your local PD.

Do they require any ID to get that ID?

Like, library card, bus pass, etc?

 

[Timmy]

This is getting ludicrous.

Having failed (so far) to take away people's guns, the liberals are now trying to pretend bullets aren't part of "arms" and so they can restrict them, and stop any sales of ammo they didn't give a permit for.

Sort of like saying you can buy a car, but can't buy any gasoline (or charge the batteries if it's electric) for it. But that's not restricting the car, oh no, not at all.

For this proposition, you have to have a background check each and every time you buy even one bullet. That's in addition to the permit the liberals required you to get from them.

Boy, that's going to stop the muggers, murderers, and terrorists who have plenty of black-market sources.

In fact, of course, the only people it will stop from firing their guns, are the people who obey laws, even silly laws like this one. And that group of people is diminishing daily as more and more such silly laws get passed. If they pass.

Criminals will be unaffected.

It seems like every law the liberals try to pass, has that result: It only restricts and punishes the law-abiding.

progressives are not very bright

States wh tougher gun laws have better gun crime stats . Now if only gun nut states weren't polluting them wh imported illegal guns . They'd be even better .

 

[Timmy]

Yeah . Because you don't want crazy criminals getting guns .

The result is a bunch of dead people !

Would they be criminals in the first place if laws prevented them from conducting criminal activity?

What's your point ? We should have no criminal laws ?

Sounds like you don't understand plain English. My point is that restricting the ability of law-abiding citizens to protect themselves in order to accomplish... absolutely nothing, since it wouldn't actually stop criminals, and that's your excuse for agreeing with the law in the first place. The point of laws is to discourage people from committing crimes due to the consequences, the biggest difference here is that every other law doesn't stop hurt those that follow said law.

The law abiding can get their gun .

I live in mass . To get a gun you take a safety course . Then apply for your license wh your local PD. You get it, then you can buy a gun .

You need that license to buy ammo also .

Then apply for your license wh your local PD.

Do they require any ID to get that ID?

Like, library card, bus pass, etc?

I'm sure they have many ID options .

 

[Crixus]

This is getting ludicrous.

Having failed (so far) to take away people's guns, the liberals are now trying to pretend bullets aren't part of "arms" and so they can restrict them, and stop any sales of ammo they didn't give a permit for.

Sort of like saying you can buy a car, but can't buy any gasoline (or charge the batteries if it's electric) for it. But that's not restricting the car, oh no, not at all.

For this proposition, you have to have a background check each and every time you buy even one bullet. That's in addition to the permit the liberals required you to get from them.

Boy, that's going to stop the muggers, murderers, and terrorists who have plenty of black-market sources.

In fact, of course, the only people it will stop from firing their guns, are the people who obey laws, even silly laws like this one. And that group of people is diminishing daily as more and more such silly laws get passed. If they pass.

Criminals will be unaffected.

It seems like every law the liberals try to pass, has that result: It only restricts and punishes the law-abiding.

Also gives those filthy libs yet another way into a tax payers wallet.

 

[Auld Phart]

This is getting ludicrous.

Having failed (so far) to take away people's guns, the liberals are now trying to pretend bullets aren't part of "arms" and so they can restrict them, and stop any sales of ammo they didn't give a permit for.

Sort of like saying you can buy a car, but can't buy any gasoline (or charge the batteries if it's electric) for it. But that's not restricting the car, oh no, not at all.

For this proposition, you have to have a background check each and every time you buy even one bullet. That's in addition to the permit the liberals required you to get from them.

Boy, that's going to stop the muggers, murderers, and terrorists who have plenty of black-market sources.

In fact, of course, the only people it will stop from firing their guns, are the people who obey laws, even silly laws like this one. And that group of people is diminishing daily as more and more such silly laws get passed. If they pass.

Criminals will be unaffected.

It seems like every law the liberals try to pass, has that result: It only restricts and punishes the law-abiding.

progressives are not very bright

States wh tougher gun laws have better gun crime stats . Now if only gun nut states weren't polluting them wh imported illegal guns . They'd be even better .

Right

Illinois is doing just great with all those strict gun laws in Chicago

 

[Auld Phart]

Would they be criminals in the first place if laws prevented them from conducting criminal activity?

What's your point ? We should have no criminal laws ?

Sounds like you don't understand plain English. My point is that restricting the ability of law-abiding citizens to protect themselves in order to accomplish... absolutely nothing, since it wouldn't actually stop criminals, and that's your excuse for agreeing with the law in the first place. The point of laws is to discourage people from committing crimes due to the consequences, the biggest difference here is that every other law doesn't stop hurt those that follow said law.

The law abiding can get their gun .

I live in mass . To get a gun you take a safety course . Then apply for your license wh your local PD. You get it, then you can buy a gun .

You need that license to buy ammo also .

Then apply for your license wh your local PD.

Do they require any ID to get that ID?

Like, library card, bus pass, etc?

I'm sure they have many ID options .

You live there, name some

 

[CrusaderFrank]

If Hillary wins, Mexico will conquer unarmed CA by February 2017

 

[Crixus]

The stupidity of such a law is that folks will just drive to bordering states and stock up just like they do when they want some hicap mags and guns without a stupid bullet button. just more proof that libs are against law enforcement .

 

[Crixus]

If Hillary wins, Mexico will conquer unarmed CA by February 2017

And if God loves us California will then fall into the ocean by April 2017.

 

[JBond]

And in Mass you need a gun license to buy ammo .

So all the criminals have a license? Odd.

 

[jc456]

This is getting ludicrous.

Having failed (so far) to take away people's guns, the liberals are now trying to pretend bullets aren't part of "arms" and so they can restrict them, and stop any sales of ammo they didn't give a permit for.

Sort of like saying you can buy a car, but can't buy any gasoline (or charge the batteries if it's electric) for it. But that's not restricting the car, oh no, not at all.

For this proposition, you have to have a background check each and every time you buy even one bullet. That's in addition to the permit the liberals required you to get from them.

Boy, that's going to stop the muggers, murderers, and terrorists who have plenty of black-market sources.

In fact, of course, the only people it will stop from firing their guns, are the people who obey laws, even silly laws like this one. And that group of people is diminishing daily as more and more such silly laws get passed. If they pass.

Criminals will be unaffected.

It seems like every law the liberals try to pass, has that result: It only restricts and punishes the law-abiding.

all one has to do is stare at Chicago, the toughest gun laws in the country and see the shame.

 

[Timmy]

This is getting ludicrous.

Having failed (so far) to take away people's guns, the liberals are now trying to pretend bullets aren't part of "arms" and so they can restrict them, and stop any sales of ammo they didn't give a permit for.

Sort of like saying you can buy a car, but can't buy any gasoline (or charge the batteries if it's electric) for it. But that's not restricting the car, oh no, not at all.

For this proposition, you have to have a background check each and every time you buy even one bullet. That's in addition to the permit the liberals required you to get from them.

Boy, that's going to stop the muggers, murderers, and terrorists who have plenty of black-market sources.

In fact, of course, the only people it will stop from firing their guns, are the people who obey laws, even silly laws like this one. And that group of people is diminishing daily as more and more such silly laws get passed. If they pass.

Criminals will be unaffected.

It seems like every law the liberals try to pass, has that result: It only restricts and punishes the law-abiding.

progressives are not very bright

States wh tougher gun laws have better gun crime stats . Now if only gun nut states weren't polluting them wh imported illegal guns . They'd be even better .

Right

Illinois is doing just great with all those strict gun laws in Chicago

Yes. All those guns come from outside Chicago .

 

[Timmy]

This is getting ludicrous.

Having failed (so far) to take away people's guns, the liberals are now trying to pretend bullets aren't part of "arms" and so they can restrict them, and stop any sales of ammo they didn't give a permit for.

Sort of like saying you can buy a car, but can't buy any gasoline (or charge the batteries if it's electric) for it. But that's not restricting the car, oh no, not at all.

For this proposition, you have to have a background check each and every time you buy even one bullet. That's in addition to the permit the liberals required you to get from them.

Boy, that's going to stop the muggers, murderers, and terrorists who have plenty of black-market sources.

In fact, of course, the only people it will stop from firing their guns, are the people who obey laws, even silly laws like this one. And that group of people is diminishing daily as more and more such silly laws get passed. If they pass.

Criminals will be unaffected.

It seems like every law the liberals try to pass, has that result: It only restricts and punishes the law-abiding.

all one has to do is stare at Chicago, the toughest gun laws in the country and see the shame.

What good is an island in a sea of gun nut states ?

 

[Timmy]

And in Mass you need a gun license to buy ammo .

So all the criminals have a license? Odd.

No. but making it hard for them helps .

You want guns out of vending machines?

 

[jc456]

This is getting ludicrous.

Having failed (so far) to take away people's guns, the liberals are now trying to pretend bullets aren't part of "arms" and so they can restrict them, and stop any sales of ammo they didn't give a permit for.

Sort of like saying you can buy a car, but can't buy any gasoline (or charge the batteries if it's electric) for it. But that's not restricting the car, oh no, not at all.

For this proposition, you have to have a background check each and every time you buy even one bullet. That's in addition to the permit the liberals required you to get from them.

Boy, that's going to stop the muggers, murderers, and terrorists who have plenty of black-market sources.

In fact, of course, the only people it will stop from firing their guns, are the people who obey laws, even silly laws like this one. And that group of people is diminishing daily as more and more such silly laws get passed. If they pass.

Criminals will be unaffected.

It seems like every law the liberals try to pass, has that result: It only restricts and punishes the law-abiding.

all one has to do is stare at Chicago, the toughest gun laws in the country and see the shame.

What good is an island in a sea of gun nut states ?

yeah, that's it. When you have the balls to actually discuss the reason why gun laws will never work then talk at me.

 

[jc456]

And in Mass you need a gun license to buy ammo .

So all the criminals have a license? Odd.

No. but making it hard for them helps .

You want guns out of vending machines?

I swear, you have no fking clue do you.

 

[Auld Phart]

This is getting ludicrous.

Having failed (so far) to take away people's guns, the liberals are now trying to pretend bullets aren't part of "arms" and so they can restrict them, and stop any sales of ammo they didn't give a permit for.

Sort of like saying you can buy a car, but can't buy any gasoline (or charge the batteries if it's electric) for it. But that's not restricting the car, oh no, not at all.

For this proposition, you have to have a background check each and every time you buy even one bullet. That's in addition to the permit the liberals required you to get from them.

Boy, that's going to stop the muggers, murderers, and terrorists who have plenty of black-market sources.

In fact, of course, the only people it will stop from firing their guns, are the people who obey laws, even silly laws like this one. And that group of people is diminishing daily as more and more such silly laws get passed. If they pass.

Criminals will be unaffected.

It seems like every law the liberals try to pass, has that result: It only restricts and punishes the law-abiding.

progressives are not very bright

States wh tougher gun laws have better gun crime stats . Now if only gun nut states weren't polluting them wh imported illegal guns . They'd be even better .

Right

Illinois is doing just great with all those strict gun laws in Chicago

Yes. All those guns come from outside Chicago .

Purchased illegally, or stolen.

When are you going to learn?

 

[Fenton Lum]

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/permits/HandGunLicenseApplicationFormsComplete.pdfHmmm ...

Fees. Two (2) separate fees are required. These are payable by certified check, bank check, money order or

credit card. All fees are non-refundable.
– $340.00 - Made payable to New York City Police Department
– $ 89.75 - Made payable to New York City Police Department

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/permits/HandGunLicenseApplicationFormsComplete.pdf

Are you sure you got all your restitution fees paid off first Marty?

it doesn't count all the other paperwork you need to procure, the notary work, and the affadavits.

Look at this page for more details:

Getting A NYC Handgun Permit | New York City Guns

OK, can't open it from here, will later from elsewhere. Must be a lot of notorization. What'd you get yourself into?

I have no record whatsoever. Thats what anyone who wants to keep a handgun in their home in NYC has to go through.

Well I don't live there and wouldn't, you?

yes, I do live there. and why should location come into play with a right guaranteed to me by the Constitution?

I guess you'll have to take that up with the NY state and city authorities, I didn't make the call, I did make the call not to live there, so that's on the folks who do live there to change it.

 

[Fenton Lum]

And in Mass you need a gun license to buy ammo .

and they can cross the border to NH and buy all the ammo they want, cash on the barrelhead.

Good example on how sensible gun control is sabotaged by gun nut states . Then they say "gun laws don't work!"

How is 3-6 months of waiting and a $1000 in fees for a revolver permit sensible?

What state are you taking about ?

I suppose guns should be available out of vending machines .

People used to order them out of catalogs. So guns are much harder to get now. Which means, Timmy, that gun availability is not the problem, the deterioration of values is.

Values = guns.

 

[Fenton Lum]

State's right bub, move and vote there.

My rights override state's rights.

Guess you can take your gun out there and make it happen pard.

Nice dodge, dickless.

Reckon you're just fucked then.

Another useless comment from one of the more useless posters on this board. You are approaching JoeBlow levels of twattiness.

Speaking of twattiness, would you be less twatty with a gun?