California's Brown Signs Bill Permitting Non-Physician Abortions

[koshergrl]

You have something more current? No? Then shut your stupid lips.

From Guttmacher..this is Planned Parenthood's PR team:

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Facts on Induced Abortion in the United States

July 2013
INCIDENCE OF ABORTION

 

[JoeB131]

women have aborted since they figured out how to do it...

And that's the point they ignore.

If they were serious about reducing the number of abortions, they would want to do what France does. France has paid family leave, strong worker protections (unlike two co-workers of mine who were fired when they got pregnant) and universal health care. As a result, they have half the abortions we have.

But being bible thumping morons, they want to do what the Philippines do. Abortion is illegal, but they have 500,000 to 800,000 abortions a year. Aborted fetuses are left on the steps of churches, either to get their souls into heaven or to show contempt for the Church at its policies.

 

[koshergrl]

I'm going to puke now.

You guys have at. You deserve each other.

 

[TemplarKormac]

data from 2008?

Comes from a report by the Guttmacher Institute dated July 2013

 

[JoeB131]

You have something more current? No? Then shut your stupid lips.

From Guttmacher..this is Planned Parenthood's PR team:

"
Facts on Induced Abortion in the United States

July 2013
INCIDENCE OF ABORTION

No link that goes anywhere... typical.

 

[koshergrl]

It's the same link, you moron:

Facts on Induced Abortion in the United States

Facts on Induced Abortion in the United States

July 2013
INCIDENCE OF ABORTION

 

[koshergrl]

I can do this for days.

You see, you can't win with thinking people when all you do is lie. The only way you can win with lies is to target the vulnerable, dependent, and frightened. You know, children and such. But it won't work with me, or any other adult with half a mind and a whole soul.

 

[strollingbones]

the report is from 2013...but the data she sited is from 2008

 

[strollingbones]

I can do this for days.

You see, you can't win with thinking people when all you do is lie. The only way you can win with lies is to target the vulnerable, dependent, and frightened. You know, children and such. But it won't work with me, or any other adult with half a mind and a whole soul.

and yet a few posts ago, you had this busy full rich real life? and yet you will give days to this thread? which is it?

 

[JoeB131]

I can do this for days.

You see, you can't win with thinking people when all you do is lie. The only way you can win with lies is to target the vulnerable, dependent, and frightened. You know, children and such. But it won't work with me, or any other adult with half a mind and a whole soul.

I don't think you have half a mind.

I think you are just angry that people don't agree with your position on the subject.

Abortion is going to happen, and the only reason why the GOP is still talking about it is because they can get STUPID people like you to vote against working people's interests to make the wealthy richer.

Abortion is just as legal now as it was in 1974. The Christian Right's 40 year temper tantrum has gotten it nowhere.

There are ways to reduce abortions, but it would actually involve liberal policies, and you guys have proven you don't give a fuck about poor children when they aren't in fetal form.

 

[koshergrl]

No shit. Because that's the most current information anyone has, you idiot. Though of course ALL the numbers are meaningless....most states don't require the clinics to cough up any information at all. We've been through this all before. Quit lying and go lay down.

 

[JoeB131]

No shit. Because that's the most current information anyone has, you idiot. Though of course ALL the numbers are meaningless....most states don't require the clinics to cough up any information at all. We've been through this all before. Quit lying and go lay down.

Translation- I'm going to use statistics to boolster my point, unless they don't, in which case I'm going to claim that there's a vast conspiracy to hide the "real" numbers that show how EEEEEEEEvil abortion is. Even though most women just don't care and will keep having them anyway.

BUt it's all Mr. Man's Fault. And the Porn Industry!

Ever picture KG as Piper Laurie in "Carrie"? I have.

 

[Stephanie]

well, this is showing how much the commies in their government really CARE about the people in it California.

man oh man, and people are cheering this

now you are free to go to someone and if they use a coat hanger, as long as it's a WOMAN CHOICE I guess

damn this getting sad, anyway to kill off the offspring of people

Brown is one of those commies who see this as a good thing for his views on "population CONTROL"

 

[koshergrl]

yup yup.

 

[Spoonman]

i wonder if this is an attempt to make the abortion numbers look lower. how many might not be reported now?

 

[Plasmaball]

I can do this for days.

You see, you can't win with thinking people when all you do is lie. The only way you can win with lies is to target the vulnerable, dependent, and frightened. You know, children and such. But it won't work with me, or any other adult with half a mind and a whole soul.

and yet a few posts ago, you had this busy full rich real life? and yet you will give days to this thread? which is it?

well this is allie, who never uses real facts and lies basically in all her posts.

 

[koshergrl]

i wonder if this is an attempt to make the abortion numbers look lower. how many might not be reported now?

They aren't reported now. California has no reporting requirement. As a *courtesy* they provide some numbers, but it's an open joke...nobody has to abide by any rules whatever. The only information they have are guesses. And their guesses are outright lies meant to hide the truths of the industry...gosnell is not a rarity.

 

[kaz]

Who needs a doctor when youi're killing babies?..Women's rights?

Just so you know, women are not prevented from seeing a doctor...

The idea that government has the right to tell anyone ever who they are allowed to get medical care from is an abomination of liberty.

 

[Spoonman]

i wonder if this is an attempt to make the abortion numbers look lower. how many might not be reported now?

They aren't reported now. California has no reporting requirement. As a *courtesy* they provide some numbers, but it's an open joke...nobody has to abide by any rules whatever. The only information they have are guesses. And their guesses are outright lies meant to hide the truths of the industry...gosnell is not a rarity.

i want the ability to take that approach with my income

 

[mamooth]

As we see far too often, the real world data shows exactly the opposite of what Koshrgrl claims.

Yes Virginia, a study has been done on the safety of early abortions, comparing doctors vs. NP's. They should have assumed that was the case, being how the reality-based community can always back up claims with hard data. Alas, their crazy cult told them to babble nonsense, hence they went off with their usual wild conspiracy theories, and now look very silly.

Oh, the study.

Safety of Aspiration Abortion Performed by Nurse Practitioners, Certified Nurse Midwives, and Physician Assistants Under a California Legal Waiver

Summary:
No difference in the rate of serious complications. (6 out of 11,487)
A minor difference in the rate of minor complications. (but still far safer than being forced to wait for a later term abortion.)

So, this bill prevents Gosnells by increasing access to early legal abortion, with no sacrifice in safety. Since the pro-life goal is to create as many Gosnells as possible by restricting access to early abortion, pro-lifers will oppose the bill, no matter what the facts show. Their fear is that it will be a big success and spread to more states, undermining their national "make every abortionist a Gosnell" strategy.