Calling someone stand-up a "Liberal" has become an insult...Have you noticed?

[BULLDOG]

Again, Please provide proof that Bill Clinton didn't win the popular vote. He did have less than 50% of the vote, but that is not the same thing. Who do you claim won the popular vote against him in either of his presidential elections?

Just like his wife!

You dummy. Less than 50% doesn't mean he lost the popular vote. Get a junior high kid to explain it to you.

I never said it did, kid, but thanks for the insult. It's typical of far LWers like yourself.

Since 10:00 AM today, you have been trying to prove that Bill Clinton didn't win the popular vote. Are you finally ready to admit you didn't know what you were trying to talk about?

 

[Divine Wind]

Again, Please provide proof that Bill Clinton didn't win the popular vote. He did have less than 50% of the vote, but that is not the same thing. Who do you claim won the popular vote against him in either of his presidential elections?

Just like his wife!

You dummy. Less than 50% doesn't mean he lost the popular vote. Get a junior high kid to explain it to you.

I never said it did, kid, but thanks for the insult. It's typical of far LWers like yourself.

So what justification do you have to say Bill Clinton didn't win the popular vote? Who got more votes?

You're partisanship is blinding you, son. I never said he did. Scroll up. If you are a man, you'd not just offer a lame apology, but take back every high school insult you've ever thrown at me.

I never said it did, kid, but thanks for the insult. It's typical of far LWers like yourself.

Since 10:00 AM today, you have been trying to prove that Bill Clinton didn't win the popular vote. Are you finally ready to admit you didn't know what you were trying to talk about?

Wrong again. You're obviously confused, son.....again. The discussion you jumped in on about 10AM was about how just because something is popular doesn't mean it's correct. Just like the amusing aphorism "Eat shit. How could a thousand flies be wrong?"

 

[BlindBoo]

Cato explains it in their mission statement.

Today, those who subscribe to the principles of the American Revolution — individual liberty, limited government, the free market, and the rule of law — call themselves by a variety of terms, including conservative, libertarian, classical liberal, and liberal. We see problems with all of those terms. "Conservative" smacks of an unwillingness to change, of a desire to preserve the status quo. Only in America do people seem to refer to free-market capitalism — the most progressive, dynamic, and ever-changing system the world has ever known — as conservative. Additionally, many contemporary American conservatives favor state intervention in some areas, most notably in trade and into our private lives.

"Classical liberal" is a bit closer to the mark, but the word "classical" fails to capture the contemporary vibrancy of the ideas of freedom.

"Liberal" may well be the perfect word in most of the world — the liberals in societies from China to Iran to South Africa to Argentina tend to be supporters of human rights and free markets — but its meaning has clearly been altered in the contemporary United States.

The Jeffersonian philosophy that animates Cato's work has increasingly come to be called "libertarianism" or "market liberalism." It combines an appreciation for entrepreneurship, the market process, and lower taxes with strict respect for civil liberties and skepticism about the benefits of both the welfare state and foreign military adventurism.

This vision brings the wisdom of the American Founders to bear on the problems of today. As did the Founders, it looks to the future with optimism and excitement, eager to discover what great things women and men will do in the coming century. Market liberals appreciate the complexity of a great society, recognizing that socialism and government planning are just too clumsy for the modern world. It is — or used to be — the conventional wisdom that a more complex society needs more government, but the truth is just the opposite. The simpler the society, the less damage government planning does. Planning is cumbersome in an agricultural society, costly in an industrial economy, and impossible in the information age. Today collectivism and planning are outmoded and backward, a drag on social progress.

Libertarians have a cosmopolitan, inclusive vision for society. We applaud the progressive extension of the promises of the Declaration of Independence to more people, especially to women, African-Americans, religious minorities, and gay and lesbian people. Our greatest challenge today is to continue to extend the promise of political freedom and economic opportunity to those who are still denied it, in our own country and around the world.

Cato's Mission

 

[PoliticalChic]

No. It's the opposite.

Progress, moving forward, everything that personifies America.

Republicans are the party of big business, taking from the poor to give to the rich. Regressive, moving backward.


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1. "Progress, moving forward, everything that personifies America."

A wise wonk posted this some time ago, and it is still the truth:
1) Conservatives believe that custom and tradition result in individuals living in peace. Law is custom and precedent. Liberals are destroyers of custom and convention. To a conservative, change should be gradual, as the new society is often inferior to the old. We build on the ideas and experience of our ancestors. The species is wiser than the individual (Burke).


2) Liberals are impulsive, and imprudent. They believe in quick changes, and risk new abuses worse than the ‘evils’ that they would sweep away, since remedies are usually not simple. Plato said that prudence is the mark of the statesman. There should be a balance between permanence and change, while liberals see ‘progress’ as some mythical direction for society.



2."....everything that personifies America."
Using terms you don't understand reveals you to be a fool. You should look up 'personify.'

Now....what America was founded on, and stood for would boil down to this:
Individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

None of these stand for the above:
Liberalism, socialism, Nazism, Progressivism, Fascism, nor Communism.