Callous Conservatives, Time to wake up!

[Arizona Willie]

Prove me wrong. Snark does not count as proof of anything but your inability to prove me wrong.

You really should spend a lot less time in that Arizona sun ... it's melting your brain cells.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Wrong again, bucky.

If the government didn't ALLOW you to take the deduction you would have to pay more. Presuming you even bother to pay taxes at all, many of you government haters don't.

When the government makes an exception for you that lets you pay less that is just the same as giving you a check.

Deny it all you want but rational people won't.

But then who ever accused you of being rational?
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"Don't forget --- every tax deduction you have taken is government assistance."

No, every tax deduction I have taken has been the allowed opportunity to get back some of MY money for which I worked hard, money that will be used for the welfare and success of my family rather than spent of incredibly wasteful and fiscally criminal buying of favors, votes, and elections to ensure some elitist @rse who does not listen to or represent me but instead imposes HIS will on me stays in office, wealth, and power.

Your comment reeks of the liberal philosophy that all money belongs to government first, and what they allow you to keep is their blessing. Therefore, if government allows you to keep more of your property, it's a gift from government to you.

How pathetic.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Why don't you tell the people in the Scandinavian countries how bad their government is?

Funny thing, bucky, EVERY world survey reports some Socialist countries WAY ahead of America in personal happiness, health care, and education, and standard of living.

But when shown those surveys, you righties just wipe your ass with them because they don't fit your ideology, instead of opening your mind and maybe --- just maybe --- THINKING a bit and wondering how they do it and if we < might > learn something from them.

And you also ignore the socialist base in this country.

America always was and always will be socialistic.

You love private enterprise don't you?

I bet you love the insurance companies because they make such great profits and are such a good example of capitalism.

Guess what, bunky, they are SOCIALISTIC through and through.

They take in money from many people and pay out to those who need it under the terms of the policies.

THAT IS THE VERY ESSENCE OF SOCIALISM.

Risk is spread out === socialized.

Of course the insurance companies get a profit for the service of aggragating the funds and keeping the records and disbursing the payments.

But one of America's biggest businesses INSURANCE is SOCIALISM at it's finest.

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In actuality, it is the modern American "liberals" (actually, a bunch of slovenly thinking socialists) who are the callous ones, because they are absolutely indifferent to the misery their desired policies inflict on everyone.

In their zeal to create random utopias, they ignore human nature, economic realities and almost all consequences of their perverse policies.

LIEablity always chooses the low road, attacking the intelligence of millions of American citizens as if he has some metric to prove the ideology of neglect benefits the aged, the sick and those suffering. There is nothing benign about callous conservatives, or perverse oin those who offer the needy a helping hand.

It's odd that Conservatives preach the bible and attack the Pope and American citizens, liberals, progressives and RINO's, who see problems and hope to fix them.

Poor little Fly Catcher. It gets all insulted when anybody to the right of his mindless political ideology dares to suggest that HIS thinking is shallow, or stupid or whatever. But he yuks it up whenever some libturd asswipe (like him) takes the "low road" and mindlessly attacks those on the right.

The bottom line remains, despite Shit's fake complaints. It IS the modern American liberal and his socialist ideology that leads to the most misery. It denies us freedom and kowtows to the power and authority of the damn State as though the State has the first damn clue on how to run a society.

Hey Fly Catcher, you gutless pussy, instead of pissing, moaning, and whining that I insult the intelligence of you turd liberals, why not defend the record of the Socialism you adore? Show me where conservatives are the callous ones instead of socialists and demonstrate that socialism doesn't achieve more hideous results causing more misery thus making you liberals the callous ones.

Good luck you whining bitch.

No, because a socialist society is one that you have no choice but to participate in. Insurance on the other hand is optional......... well it was until Commie Care came along.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What YOU fail to understand is that SOCIETY decided it was NOT a " good thing " to have beggars in the streets and old people dying in doorways as happened in many parts of the world.

So our government provides enough to keep people from dying.
That's about all they get from government assistance.
Just enough to stay alive.

But you probably think it would be just dandy to have your mother out on the streets when a stockbroker churns her accounts and leaves her penniless. After all ... she should have known better.

Right?

Rugged individualism.

I bet it would be interesting to be able to review your life and see how much YOU have received from the government ( at different levels ) during your lifetime.

Don't forget --- every tax deduction you have taken is government assistance. The government gave you a break and didn't make you pay as much as you would have had to otherwise, so that is just the same as if they gave you a check.

So you are up to taxing the bottom 40% which pay no federal taxes at all ?

I'm up for that.

What they fail to understand is they receive refund checks for taxes they never paid...

We have created a Welfare Society run buy politicians and bureaucrats (lawyers and accountants)...

Most people on the dole live pretty good lives. In fact, some studies have shown that living off the government is more advantageous than working which would help explain why we have record amounts of Americans not working.

Think about how nice it is not to have the worries that working people have:

You have to worry about getting healthcare. Poor people don't.
You have to plan your family size to fit your budget. Poor people don't have to.
You have to reserve enough pay to feed you and your family. Poor people don't.
You have to pay taxes to support the schools your children attend. Poor people don't.
You have to control the temperature in your home to fit your budget. Poor people don't.
You have to worry about paying rent or a mortgage. Poor people don't.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You seem to fail to grasp the principal that each income group should pay it's share of the cost of running the country according to their share of the personal income of the country.

The bottom 40%, whom you hate so much, would pay perhaps 5% of the cost of running the nation AS A GROUP so individuals within that group would pay very little ---- almost nothing ---- as their share of the 5% their income group owes.

While the billionaire class would pay 80% of the cost of running the country because they receive 80% of the nations personal income. They receive more so they should pay more.

Let's use an illustration.

Say you and I go to the grocery store. You buy only one of those small handbaskets of stuff but I fill two grocery carts.

Who should pay more?

Same principle. The wealthy GET more from society. They live in gated mansions with security roving the grounds while the poor live in mobile homes. The wealthy take their family on around the world cruises while the poor are afraid to take a day off because they might get fired.

They GET MORE so they SHOULD PAY MORE.

Every tax cut we give the wealthy has to be made up by someone else === YOU.

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If the 1%'ers get 80% of the nations income they should pay 80% of the taxes.

Each income level should pay the same percentage in taxes( as a group ... not individuals ) that they get of the nations income.

If a group gets 80% of the income they pay 80% of the taxes it takes to run the country.
If a group gets 10% of the income they pay 10% of the taxes it takes to run the country.

The wealthy receive far more FROM society therefore they owe more TO society.

What could be more fair than that?

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So we can tax the individuals who actually contribute revenue more and more until we have no one else to tax...

So you are up to taxing the bottom 40% which pay no federal taxes at all ?

I'm up for that.

They didn't "get" more, they earned more. Big difference. And no, they didn't get it from society either. They got it from investments and selling products and services to customers.

 

[SAYIT]

Wow ... just WOW.
So according to you, America has always been socialist, life in Europe is just grand and any money that the gov't does not confiscate from me in taxes is the gov't giving me a break?
Just WOW.

You really should spend a lot less time in that Arizona sun ... it's melting your brain cells.

Prove me wrong. Snark does not count as proof of anything but your inability to prove me wrong.

Prove you wrong? You've yet to prove any of your grandiose "Worker's Paradise" silliness (like: the top 1% takes home 80% of America's income) to be right, Comrade. It is eminently clear you are just another whiny, sniveling loony leftist whose lack of earning skill is only exceeded by your envy of those who have them.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Wrong again, bucky.

If the government didn't ALLOW you to take the deduction you would have to pay more. Presuming you even bother to pay taxes at all, many of you government haters don't.

When the government makes an exception for you that lets you pay less that is just the same as giving you a check.

Deny it all you want but rational people won't.

But then who ever accused you of being rational?
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"Don't forget --- every tax deduction you have taken is government assistance."

No, every tax deduction I have taken has been the allowed opportunity to get back some of MY money for which I worked hard, money that will be used for the welfare and success of my family rather than spent of incredibly wasteful and fiscally criminal buying of favors, votes, and elections to ensure some elitist @rse who does not listen to or represent me but instead imposes HIS will on me stays in office, wealth, and power.

Your comment reeks of the liberal philosophy that all money belongs to government first, and what they allow you to keep is their blessing. Therefore, if government allows you to keep more of your property, it's a gift from government to you.

How pathetic.

I don't think that is a liberal philosophy...in general...

It is certainly more a philosophy of the left wing morons who seek to justify taking your money in the name of social justice.

Not to be confused with the right wing wackjobs who use government to prop up their businesses and thus get rich.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Liberals....Such adolescent, exaggerating, PUSSIES

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Wrong again, bucky.

If the government didn't ALLOW you to take the deduction you would have to pay more. Presuming you even bother to pay taxes at all, many of you government haters don't.

When the government makes an exception for you that lets you pay less that is just the same as giving you a check.

Deny it all you want but rational people won't.

But then who ever accused you of being rational?
========

"Don't forget --- every tax deduction you have taken is government assistance."

No, every tax deduction I have taken has been the allowed opportunity to get back some of MY money for which I worked hard, money that will be used for the welfare and success of my family rather than spent of incredibly wasteful and fiscally criminal buying of favors, votes, and elections to ensure some elitist @rse who does not listen to or represent me but instead imposes HIS will on me stays in office, wealth, and power.

Your comment reeks of the liberal philosophy that all money belongs to government first, and what they allow you to keep is their blessing. Therefore, if government allows you to keep more of your property, it's a gift from government to you.

How pathetic.

I don't think that is a liberal philosophy...in general...

It is certainly more a philosophy of the left wing morons who seek to justify taking your money in the name of social justice.

Not to be confused with the right wing wackjobs who use government to prop up their businesses and thus get rich.

I didn't know all businesses were owned by right-wingers.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Wrong again, bucky.

If the government didn't ALLOW you to take the deduction you would have to pay more. Presuming you even bother to pay taxes at all, many of you government haters don't.

When the government makes an exception for you that lets you pay less that is just the same as giving you a check.

Deny it all you want but rational people won't.

But then who ever accused you of being rational?
========

"Don't forget --- every tax deduction you have taken is government assistance."

No, every tax deduction I have taken has been the allowed opportunity to get back some of MY money for which I worked hard, money that will be used for the welfare and success of my family rather than spent of incredibly wasteful and fiscally criminal buying of favors, votes, and elections to ensure some elitist @rse who does not listen to or represent me but instead imposes HIS will on me stays in office, wealth, and power.

Your comment reeks of the liberal philosophy that all money belongs to government first, and what they allow you to keep is their blessing. Therefore, if government allows you to keep more of your property, it's a gift from government to you.

How pathetic.

I don't think that is a liberal philosophy...in general...

It is certainly more a philosophy of the left wing morons who seek to justify taking your money in the name of social justice.

Not to be confused with the right wing wackjobs who use government to prop up their businesses and thus get rich.

I didn't know all businesses were owned by right-wingers.

Please don't read into my post what isn't there.

Right wingers (not be confused with bona fide conservatives) who are in business....use the government to their advantage.

Nowhere did I say anything about who owned what or how much.

 

[GWV5903]

You really should spend a lot less time in that Arizona sun ... it's melting your brain cells.

It's too late...

Willie's been pissing in the wind for years...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Wrong again, bucky.

If the government didn't ALLOW you to take the deduction you would have to pay more. Presuming you even bother to pay taxes at all, many of you government haters don't.

When the government makes an exception for you that lets you pay less that is just the same as giving you a check.

Deny it all you want but rational people won't.

But then who ever accused you of being rational?
========

"Don't forget --- every tax deduction you have taken is government assistance."

No, every tax deduction I have taken has been the allowed opportunity to get back some of MY money for which I worked hard, money that will be used for the welfare and success of my family rather than spent of incredibly wasteful and fiscally criminal buying of favors, votes, and elections to ensure some elitist @rse who does not listen to or represent me but instead imposes HIS will on me stays in office, wealth, and power.

Your comment reeks of the liberal philosophy that all money belongs to government first, and what they allow you to keep is their blessing. Therefore, if government allows you to keep more of your property, it's a gift from government to you.

How pathetic.

I don't think that is a liberal philosophy...in general...

It is certainly more a philosophy of the left wing morons who seek to justify taking your money in the name of social justice.

Not to be confused with the right wing wackjobs who use government to prop up their businesses and thus get rich.

I didn't know all businesses were owned by right-wingers.

Please don't read into my post what isn't there.

Right wingers (not be confused with bona fide conservatives) who are in business....use the government to their advantage.

Nowhere did I say anything about who owned what or how much.

OHHHH! I see what you are saying now: right-wingers use government to make their business successful, but left wingers like Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and Warren Buffet don't. Gotcha.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Wrong again, bucky.

If the government didn't ALLOW you to take the deduction you would have to pay more. Presuming you even bother to pay taxes at all, many of you government haters don't.

When the government makes an exception for you that lets you pay less that is just the same as giving you a check.

Deny it all you want but rational people won't.

But then who ever accused you of being rational?
========

Your comment reeks of the liberal philosophy that all money belongs to government first, and what they allow you to keep is their blessing. Therefore, if government allows you to keep more of your property, it's a gift from government to you.

How pathetic.

I don't think that is a liberal philosophy...in general...

It is certainly more a philosophy of the left wing morons who seek to justify taking your money in the name of social justice.

Not to be confused with the right wing wackjobs who use government to prop up their businesses and thus get rich.

I didn't know all businesses were owned by right-wingers.

Please don't read into my post what isn't there.

Right wingers (not be confused with bona fide conservatives) who are in business....use the government to their advantage.

Nowhere did I say anything about who owned what or how much.

OHHHH! I see what you are saying now: right-wingers use government to make their business successful, but left wingers like Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and Warren Buffet don't. Gotcha.

Did I say that left wingers don't ?

 

[SAYIT]

Your comment reeks of the liberal philosophy that all money belongs to government first, and what they allow you to keep is their blessing. Therefore, if government allows you to keep more of your property, it's a gift from government to you.

How pathetic.

I don't think that is a liberal philosophy...in general...

It is certainly more a philosophy of the left wing morons who seek to justify taking your money in the name of social justice.

Not to be confused with the right wing wackjobs who use government to prop up their businesses and thus get rich.

I didn't know all businesses were owned by right-wingers.

Please don't read into my post what isn't there.

Right wingers (not be confused with bona fide conservatives) who are in business....use the government to their advantage.

Nowhere did I say anything about who owned what or how much.

OHHHH! I see what you are saying now: right-wingers use government to make their business successful, but left wingers like Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and Warren Buffet don't. Gotcha.

Did I say that left wingers don't ?

You didn't mention lefties at all. You simply dumped on the righties (and only the righties). The fact is anyone who does not use all available advantages is a fool. God knows the gov't does.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

I don't think that is a liberal philosophy...in general...

It is certainly more a philosophy of the left wing morons who seek to justify taking your money in the name of social justice.

Not to be confused with the right wing wackjobs who use government to prop up their businesses and thus get rich.

I didn't know all businesses were owned by right-wingers.

Please don't read into my post what isn't there.

Right wingers (not be confused with bona fide conservatives) who are in business....use the government to their advantage.

Nowhere did I say anything about who owned what or how much.

OHHHH! I see what you are saying now: right-wingers use government to make their business successful, but left wingers like Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and Warren Buffet don't. Gotcha.

Did I say that left wingers don't ?

You didn't mention lefties at all. You simply dumped on the righties (and only the righties). The fact is anyone who does not use all available advantages is a fool. God knows the gov't does.

I understand your second statement.

But, in my world that is what differentiates rightwingers from conservatives.

I even understand that conservatives may have to use the government "helps" because their competition does.

But don't kid yourself. Rightwingers use government to keep themselves in business and others out of their business.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Your comment reeks of the liberal philosophy that all money belongs to government first, and what they allow you to keep is their blessing. Therefore, if government allows you to keep more of your property, it's a gift from government to you.

How pathetic.

I don't think that is a liberal philosophy...in general...

It is certainly more a philosophy of the left wing morons who seek to justify taking your money in the name of social justice.

Not to be confused with the right wing wackjobs who use government to prop up their businesses and thus get rich.

I didn't know all businesses were owned by right-wingers.

Please don't read into my post what isn't there.

Right wingers (not be confused with bona fide conservatives) who are in business....use the government to their advantage.

Nowhere did I say anything about who owned what or how much.

OHHHH! I see what you are saying now: right-wingers use government to make their business successful, but left wingers like Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and Warren Buffet don't. Gotcha.

Did I say that left wingers don't ?

Without a doubt, you certainly implied it. Why else would you highlight right-wingers if you meant all business?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

I don't think that is a liberal philosophy...in general...

It is certainly more a philosophy of the left wing morons who seek to justify taking your money in the name of social justice.

Not to be confused with the right wing wackjobs who use government to prop up their businesses and thus get rich.

I didn't know all businesses were owned by right-wingers.

Please don't read into my post what isn't there.

Right wingers (not be confused with bona fide conservatives) who are in business....use the government to their advantage.

Nowhere did I say anything about who owned what or how much.

OHHHH! I see what you are saying now: right-wingers use government to make their business successful, but left wingers like Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and Warren Buffet don't. Gotcha.

Did I say that left wingers don't ?

Without a doubt, you certainly implied it. Why else would you highlight right-wingers if you meant all business?

I am not sure what you are after here.

By definition....left wingers love government.

I would expect them to have no issue with getting help from government in any way they can.

The hidden liars on the right scream about smaller government, but are more than willing to use government to make money.

Seems a bit hypocritical to me.

If you think I am not about blasting the left....you'd be wrong.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I didn't know all businesses were owned by right-wingers.

Please don't read into my post what isn't there.

Right wingers (not be confused with bona fide conservatives) who are in business....use the government to their advantage.

Nowhere did I say anything about who owned what or how much.

OHHHH! I see what you are saying now: right-wingers use government to make their business successful, but left wingers like Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and Warren Buffet don't. Gotcha.

Did I say that left wingers don't ?

Without a doubt, you certainly implied it. Why else would you highlight right-wingers if you meant all business?

I am not sure what you are after here.

By definition....left wingers love government.

I would expect them to have no issue with getting help from government in any way they can.

The hidden liars on the right scream about smaller government, but are more than willing to use government to make money.

Seems a bit hypocritical to me.

If you think I am not about blasting the left....you'd be wrong.

If you go through sites that have company campaign contributions and who they contributed to, you'd find that most companies give to both parties to cover all bases. True, many give to one more than the other, but everybody gets a cut of the pie.

If you have a very successful company and you just stay out of the game, you end up like Bill Gates during the Clinton years where he was fined a million dollars a day for a bogus monopoly charge. Now Gates is as generous with his money in politics as all the others.

 

[SAYIT]

I didn't know all businesses were owned by right-wingers.

Please don't read into my post what isn't there.

Right wingers (not be confused with bona fide conservatives) who are in business....use the government to their advantage.

Nowhere did I say anything about who owned what or how much.

OHHHH! I see what you are saying now: right-wingers use government to make their business successful, but left wingers like Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and Warren Buffet don't. Gotcha.

Did I say that left wingers don't ?

You didn't mention lefties at all. You simply dumped on the righties (and only the righties). The fact is anyone who does not use all available advantages is a fool. God knows the gov't does.

I understand your second statement.

But, in my world that is what differentiates rightwingers from conservatives.

I even understand that conservatives may have to use the government "helps" because their competition does.

But don't kid yourself. Rightwingers use government to keep themselves in business and others out of their business.

As much as you seem to want it to be, the use of all possible advantages is not a lib/con issue and doing so does not reflect badly on anyone. Business is about business and profitability regardless of the political leaning of ownership & management. The gov't determines the nature of their relationship with business, and smart businesses, in order to compete, use whatever is allowable by law.
Frankly, you seem to be a bit desperate to blame the right for a totally blameless dynamic.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Please don't read into my post what isn't there.

Right wingers (not be confused with bona fide conservatives) who are in business....use the government to their advantage.

Nowhere did I say anything about who owned what or how much.

OHHHH! I see what you are saying now: right-wingers use government to make their business successful, but left wingers like Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and Warren Buffet don't. Gotcha.

Did I say that left wingers don't ?

You didn't mention lefties at all. You simply dumped on the righties (and only the righties). The fact is anyone who does not use all available advantages is a fool. God knows the gov't does.

I understand your second statement.

But, in my world that is what differentiates rightwingers from conservatives.

I even understand that conservatives may have to use the government "helps" because their competition does.

But don't kid yourself. Rightwingers use government to keep themselves in business and others out of their business.

As much as you seem to want it to be, the use of all possible advantages is not a lib/con issue and doing so does not reflect badly on anyone. Business is about business and profitability regardless of the political leaning of ownership & management. The gov't determines the nature of their relationship with business, and smart businesses, in order to compete, use whatever is allowable by law.
Frankly, you seem to be a bit desperate to blame the right for a totally blameless dynamic.

You ought to spend a few more minutes on your analysis.

The government bailed out GM much to the dismay of myself and others. They did not let the natural selection process run it's course.

In the same way big business helps set the rules using government and takes hundreds of millions in "grants" that give them an unfair advantage.

That is wrong on my world.

The right does it as much as the left.

And BTW: It isn't lib/con....it's right/left....big difference.

The left has no problems with it.....

The right says they do....but then do it anyway.