Callous Conservatives, Time to wake up!

[Dad2three]

If the 1%'ers get 80% of the nations income they should pay 80% of the taxes.

Each income level should pay the same percentage in taxes( as a group ... not individuals ) that they get of the nations income.

If a group gets 80% of the income they pay 80% of the taxes it takes to run the country.
If a group gets 10% of the income they pay 10% of the taxes it takes to run the country.
The wealthy receive far more FROM society therefore they owe more TO society.
What could be more fair than that?

What you describe is a flat tax, viewed as unfair to the bottom 49% which currently pays nothing. In 2015 the top 1% will earn 17% of all income and pay roughly 50% (up from 40% in 2012) of all federal income tax.

Somebody has to carry the load for the bottom 49%.

They need what our gov't provides just as much as the top 1%.

Top 1% pay nearly half of federal income taxes

"The top-earning 1 percent of Americans will pay nearly half of the federal income taxes for 2014, the largest share in at least three years, according to a study.

According to a projection from the non-partisan Tax Policy Center, the top 1 percent of Americans will pay 45.7 percent of the individual income taxes in 2014—up from 43 percent in 2013 and 40 percent in 2012 (the oldest period available).

The bottom 80 percent of Americans are expected to pay 15 percent of all federal income taxes in 2014, according to the study. The bottom 60 percent are expected to pay less than 2 percent of federal income taxes.

While the top 1 percent pay a larger share of taxes, they also earn an outsized share of income. According to the Tax Policy Center, they earned 17 percent of expanded cash income in 2014."

Yes INCOME taxes, 46% of federal tax revenues, near record lows as share of fed revenues

 

[Dad2three]

If the 1%'ers get 80% of the nations income they should pay 80% of the taxes.

Each income level should pay the same percentage in taxes( as a group ... not individuals ) that they get of the nations income.

If a group gets 80% of the income they pay 80% of the taxes it takes to run the country.
If a group gets 10% of the income they pay 10% of the taxes it takes to run the country.
The wealthy receive far more FROM society therefore they owe more TO society.
What could be more fair than that?

What you describe is a flat tax, viewed as unfair to the bottom 49% which currently pays nothing. In 2015 the top 1% will earn 17% of all income and pay roughly 50% (up from 40% in 2012) of all federal income tax.

Somebody has to carry the load for the bottom 49%.

They need what our gov't provides just as much as the top 1%.

Top 1% pay nearly half of federal income taxes

"The top-earning 1 percent of Americans will pay nearly half of the federal income taxes for 2014, the largest share in at least three years, according to a study.

According to a projection from the non-partisan Tax Policy Center, the top 1 percent of Americans will pay 45.7 percent of the individual income taxes in 2014—up from 43 percent in 2013 and 40 percent in 2012 (the oldest period available).

The bottom 80 percent of Americans are expected to pay 15 percent of all federal income taxes in 2014, according to the study. The bottom 60 percent are expected to pay less than 2 percent of federal income taxes.

While the top 1 percent pay a larger share of taxes, they also earn an outsized share of income. According to the Tax Policy Center, they earned 17 percent of expanded cash income in 2014."

Top 1% pay nearly half of federal income taxes

"There are liars, damn liars and statistics"

Q. Would you pay half of $1,000,000,000 in taxes (50% tax rate, and keep $500.000.000).
or,

Q. Would you choose to pay no taxes and keep all of $100,000

A.

Did you misunderstand the conversation or were you just looking to express your disdain for successful Americans?
Willie said each percentile of American earners should pay income tax equal to the income they earn. 1%ers, according to that CNBC study, earn 17% while paying 50% of the taxes (while the bottom 49% pay NOTHNG). I'm not arguing that the bottom should pay more, just that gov't spending must be reduced so those who do carry the load are not required to pay more.
Comprende?

NO LIAR, Willie DIDN'T mention income taxes

 

[kaz]

If the 1%'ers get 80% of the nations income they should pay 80% of the taxes.

Each income level should pay the same percentage in taxes( as a group ... not individuals ) that they get of th


Oh right that PART of the pie which is 46% of ALL US revenues, income taxes? How about EVERYTHING else? nations income.

If a group gets 80% of the income they pay 80% of the taxes it takes to run the country.
If a group gets 10% of the income they pay 10% of the taxes it takes to run the country

Wow, a leftists who wants to cut the rich's tax in half. That's amazing.

The top 1% now earn 20% of the income and pay 40% of the taxes

Is your standard going to change now that you have the actual IRS numbers?

Oh right that PART of the pie which is 46% of ALL US revenues, income taxes? How about EVERYTHING else?

We pay most of those taxes too

 

[kaz]

And more jobs for the rest of us, yeah, gimme

Dubya proved that right? LOL

Yes, economies are determined by one factor. Gotcha. You really are a simpleton, dud. I see how Democrats control you so easily

Yep, according to the GOP, it's tax cuts, because they not ONLY magically create jobs but also bring in more revenues, lol

rim shot

YOUR dodge noted Bubs

Wow, you still drive a dodge? I didn't know they existed anymore

 

[Dad2three]

If the 1%'ers get 80% of the nations income they should pay 80% of the taxes.

Each income level should pay the same percentage in taxes( as a group ... not individuals ) that they get of th


Oh right that PART of the pie which is 46% of ALL US revenues, income taxes? How about EVERYTHING else? nations income.

If a group gets 80% of the income they pay 80% of the taxes it takes to run the country.
If a group gets 10% of the income they pay 10% of the taxes it takes to run the country

Wow, a leftists who wants to cut the rich's tax in half. That's amazing.

The top 1% now earn 20% of the income and pay 40% of the taxes

Is your standard going to change now that you have the actual IRS numbers?

Oh right that PART of the pie which is 46% of ALL US revenues, income taxes? How about EVERYTHING else?

We pay most of those taxes too

Source? Oops



It was 46% of ALL Fed revenues Bubs, FEDERAL income taxes are only 26% of ALL taxes in the US

 

[Wry Catcher]

I will vote to prevent you people from airing out the pockets of the creative and productive in order to purchase your voting bloc of those who produce nothing but urine, feces, crime and terrorism.

Billy wins.

On a radical rightwing, low-brow message board....imagine that.

Since PredFan and Billy (are adults called 'Billy'?) post nothing but bullshit, or echos of other bullshitters, and if and only if one presumes their perfidious bullshit is productive (of anything other than the efforts of a digestively challenged bull).

Translation: Wrycatcher doesn't understand what they post so he just labels it bull shit.

I don't understand why dummies defend billionaires, as a dummy maybe you can explain.

 

[Arizona Willie]

I know you won't be familiar with these since you are a right winger, but google " fairness " " equality " " and then get someone to read it to you.

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What principle of morality is that theory based on?

 

[Wry Catcher]

If the 1%'ers get 80% of the nations income they should pay 80% of the taxes.

Each income level should pay the same percentage in taxes( as a group ... not individuals ) that they get of the nations income.

If a group gets 80% of the income they pay 80% of the taxes it takes to run the country.
If a group gets 10% of the income they pay 10% of the taxes it takes to run the country.
The wealthy receive far more FROM society therefore they owe more TO society.
What could be more fair than that?

What you describe is a flat tax, viewed as unfair to the bottom 49% which currently pays nothing. In 2015 the top 1% will earn 17% of all income and pay roughly 50% (up from 40% in 2012) of all federal income tax.

Somebody has to carry the load for the bottom 49%.

They need what our gov't provides just as much as the top 1%.

Top 1% pay nearly half of federal income taxes

"The top-earning 1 percent of Americans will pay nearly half of the federal income taxes for 2014, the largest share in at least three years, according to a study.

According to a projection from the non-partisan Tax Policy Center, the top 1 percent of Americans will pay 45.7 percent of the individual income taxes in 2014—up from 43 percent in 2013 and 40 percent in 2012 (the oldest period available).

The bottom 80 percent of Americans are expected to pay 15 percent of all federal income taxes in 2014, according to the study. The bottom 60 percent are expected to pay less than 2 percent of federal income taxes.

While the top 1 percent pay a larger share of taxes, they also earn an outsized share of income. According to the Tax Policy Center, they earned 17 percent of expanded cash income in 2014."

Top 1% pay nearly half of federal income taxes

"There are liars, damn liars and statistics"

Q. Would you pay half of $1,000,000,000 in taxes (50% tax rate, and keep $500.000.000).
or,

Q. Would you choose to pay no taxes and keep all of $100,000

A.

Did you misunderstand the conversation or were you just looking to express your disdain for successful Americans?
Willie said each percentile of American earners should pay income tax equal to the income they earn. 1%ers, according to that CNBC study, earn 17% while paying 50% of the taxes (while the bottom 49% pay NOTHNG). I'm not arguing that the bottom should pay more, just that gov't spending must be reduced so those who do carry the load are not required to pay more.
Comprende?

Duh. Why would you feel the need to defend billionaires? They have Attorney's and Tax experts and shelters to pay as little as possible, and have all the toys they want. Do you really believe they create jobs out of the kindness of their heart? Chevron is still making billions per Qtr. and yet recently laid off staff.

Still more of your whiny sniveling loony left lament.

Chevron retains the workforce necessary to conduct its biz, not to satisfy your sense of fairness.

Everyone pays "as little as possible" and the top 1% are not all (or even mostly) billionaires.

What I defend is every American's right to seek (and enjoy) their fortune without you or our gov't playing the loser's game of "wealth redistribution."

Get out there and get yours or continue down your wabbit hole but please stop the incessant whining!

I have a hunch I'm far wealthier than you and what you want to label as whining is nothing more than my patriotic opinion offered to defend our tradition of democracy. A tradition which is under attack from those who disdain the poor, working poor and those who seek a level playing field for all of our citizens.

I don't want my kids and their kids to grow up in a plutocracy, where the elected representatives owe allegiance to those who gave them the money to win elections and keep their job.

What you defend is myopic at best; your use of the phrase "wealth redistribution" is the best evidence for your lack of sagacious thought. Romney's statement below is demonstrative of the callous conservatives lack of empathy and understanding for the plight of too many people.

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
Mitt Romney, 9/18/2012

 

[Arizona Willie]

You seem to fail to grasp the principal that each income group should pay it's share of the cost of running the country according to their share of the personal income of the country.

The bottom 40%, whom you hate so much, would pay perhaps 5% of the cost of running the nation AS A GROUP so individuals within that group would pay very little ---- almost nothing ---- as their share of the 5% their income group owes.

While the billionaire class would pay 80% of the cost of running the country because they receive 80% of the nations personal income. They receive more so they should pay more.

Let's use an illustration.

Say you and I go to the grocery store. You buy only one of those small handbaskets of stuff but I fill two grocery carts.

Who should pay more?

Same principle. The wealthy GET more from society. They live in gated mansions with security roving the grounds while the poor live in mobile homes. The wealthy take their family on around the world cruises while the poor are afraid to take a day off because they might get fired.

They GET MORE so they SHOULD PAY MORE.

Every tax cut we give the wealthy has to be made up by someone else === YOU.

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If the 1%'ers get 80% of the nations income they should pay 80% of the taxes.

Each income level should pay the same percentage in taxes( as a group ... not individuals ) that they get of the nations income.

If a group gets 80% of the income they pay 80% of the taxes it takes to run the country.
If a group gets 10% of the income they pay 10% of the taxes it takes to run the country.

The wealthy receive far more FROM society therefore they owe more TO society.

What could be more fair than that?

==========

So we can tax the individuals who actually contribute revenue more and more until we have no one else to tax...

So you are up to taxing the bottom 40% which pay no federal taxes at all ?

I'm up for that.

 

[easyt65]

Callous Conservatives, Time to wake up!
- I will vote to Stay the Course
- I will vote for Change

People bought that 'Change' B$ years ago, without bothering to ask WHAT KIND OF CHANGE 1st. It was the wrong kind. THEN we got the re-cycled 'HOPE and Change' BS...that turned out to be Anti-American, Racist-Dividing, Islamic Extremist-Sympathizing Socialist B$.

I am afraid it is past time to 'wake up'. Trump said we are teetering on the edge as a nation, and if we don't get this one right (the next election) it could spell our doom (collapse). I actually agree with that.

Electing an openly self-admitted Socialist like Bernie Sanders would be a complete and utter abandonment of our system of government and one of the world's greatest documents - the Constitution - created by our Founding Fathers and entrusted to us.

Electing either Jeb or Hillary would be voting for the same corrupt, non-representative form of status quo.

I am not advocating Trump or anyone else...but if people don't starting to vote for what is best for the nation instead of for the '1st woman', the '1st black', the '1st Latino', or for whatever PARTY they are loyal to this country is goin' down!

 

[Arizona Willie]

What YOU fail to understand is that SOCIETY decided it was NOT a " good thing " to have beggars in the streets and old people dying in doorways as happened in many parts of the world.

So our government provides enough to keep people from dying.
That's about all they get from government assistance.
Just enough to stay alive.

But you probably think it would be just dandy to have your mother out on the streets when a stockbroker churns her accounts and leaves her penniless. After all ... she should have known better.

Right?

Rugged individualism.

I bet it would be interesting to be able to review your life and see how much YOU have received from the government ( at different levels ) during your lifetime.

Don't forget --- every tax deduction you have taken is government assistance. The government gave you a break and didn't make you pay as much as you would have had to otherwise, so that is just the same as if they gave you a check.

So you are up to taxing the bottom 40% which pay no federal taxes at all ?

I'm up for that.

What they fail to understand is they receive refund checks for taxes they never paid...

We have created a Welfare Society run buy politicians and bureaucrats (lawyers and accountants)...

 

[easyt65]

"Don't forget --- every tax deduction you have taken is government assistance."

No, every tax deduction I have taken has been the allowed opportunity to get back some of MY money for which I worked hard, money that will be used for the welfare and success of my family rather than spent of incredibly wasteful and fiscally criminal buying of favors, votes, and elections to ensure some elitist @rse who does not listen to or represent me but instead imposes HIS will on me stays in office, wealth, and power.

 

[Arizona Willie]

Why don't you tell the people in the Scandinavian countries how bad their government is?

Funny thing, bucky, EVERY world survey reports some Socialist countries WAY ahead of America in personal happiness, health care, and education, and standard of living.

But when shown those surveys, you righties just wipe your ass with them because they don't fit your ideology, instead of opening your mind and maybe --- just maybe --- THINKING a bit and wondering how they do it and if we < might > learn something from them.

And you also ignore the socialist base in this country.

America always was and always will be socialistic.

You love private enterprise don't you?

I bet you love the insurance companies because they make such great profits and are such a good example of capitalism.

Guess what, bunky, they are SOCIALISTIC through and through.

They take in money from many people and pay out to those who need it under the terms of the policies.

THAT IS THE VERY ESSENCE OF SOCIALISM.

Risk is spread out === socialized.

Of course the insurance companies get a profit for the service of aggragating the funds and keeping the records and disbursing the payments.

But one of America's biggest businesses INSURANCE is SOCIALISM at it's finest.

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In actuality, it is the modern American "liberals" (actually, a bunch of slovenly thinking socialists) who are the callous ones, because they are absolutely indifferent to the misery their desired policies inflict on everyone.

In their zeal to create random utopias, they ignore human nature, economic realities and almost all consequences of their perverse policies.

LIEablity always chooses the low road, attacking the intelligence of millions of American citizens as if he has some metric to prove the ideology of neglect benefits the aged, the sick and those suffering. There is nothing benign about callous conservatives, or perverse oin those who offer the needy a helping hand.

It's odd that Conservatives preach the bible and attack the Pope and American citizens, liberals, progressives and RINO's, who see problems and hope to fix them.

Poor little Fly Catcher. It gets all insulted when anybody to the right of his mindless political ideology dares to suggest that HIS thinking is shallow, or stupid or whatever. But he yuks it up whenever some libturd asswipe (like him) takes the "low road" and mindlessly attacks those on the right.

The bottom line remains, despite Shit's fake complaints. It IS the modern American liberal and his socialist ideology that leads to the most misery. It denies us freedom and kowtows to the power and authority of the damn State as though the State has the first damn clue on how to run a society.

Hey Fly Catcher, you gutless pussy, instead of pissing, moaning, and whining that I insult the intelligence of you turd liberals, why not defend the record of the Socialism you adore? Show me where conservatives are the callous ones instead of socialists and demonstrate that socialism doesn't achieve more hideous results causing more misery thus making you liberals the callous ones.

Good luck you whining bitch.

 

[Arizona Willie]

Wrong again, bucky.

If the government didn't ALLOW you to take the deduction you would have to pay more. Presuming you even bother to pay taxes at all, many of you government haters don't.

When the government makes an exception for you that lets you pay less that is just the same as giving you a check.

Deny it all you want but rational people won't.

But then who ever accused you of being rational?
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"Don't forget --- every tax deduction you have taken is government assistance."

No, every tax deduction I have taken has been the allowed opportunity to get back some of MY money for which I worked hard, money that will be used for the welfare and success of my family rather than spent of incredibly wasteful and fiscally criminal buying of favors, votes, and elections to ensure some elitist @rse who does not listen to or represent me but instead imposes HIS will on me stays in office, wealth, and power.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Callous Conservatives, Time to wake up!
- I will vote to Stay the Course
- I will vote for Change

People bought that 'Change' B$ years ago, without bothering to ask WHAT KIND OF CHANGE 1st. It was the wrong kind. THEN we got the re-cycled 'HOPE and Change' BS...that turned out to be Anti-American, Racist-Dividing, Islamic Extremist-Sympathizing Socialist B$.

I am afraid it is past time to 'wake up'. Trump said we are teetering on the edge as a nation, and if we don't get this one right (the next election) it could spell our doom (collapse). I actually agree with that.

Electing an openly self-admitted Socialist like Bernie Sanders would be a complete and utter abandonment of our system of government and one of the world's greatest documents - the Constitution - created by our Founding Fathers and entrusted to us.

Electing either Jeb or Hillary would be voting for the same corrupt, non-representative form of status quo.

I am not advocating Trump or anyone else...but if people don't starting to vote for what is best for the nation instead of for the '1st woman', the '1st black', the '1st Latino', or for whatever PARTY they are loyal to this country is goin' down!

If the choice is between a Plutocrat or a Western European form of Socialism the latter is what will be good for our country, IMO.

What do the Plutocrats want?
What do democratic socialists want"

Putting emotion aside, the answer is simple and delineated in the Preamble of our Constitution, as well as the first sentence of the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"

Taken as vision statements, the mission of the government is to pursue policies intended to promote these ideals. Watching their feet, and many times their lips, Plutocrats reject the ideals in both of the cherished documents.

 

[easyt65]

If the choice is between a Plutocrat or a Western European form of Socialism the latter is what will be good for our country, IMO.

So Socialism, which has resulted in the collapse of almost every single government / nation that has tried it, is your preference. Sounds great, until you ask someone who has actually lived through it and under it. Those people in Europe are wondering what in the HAIL we are doing and why we didn't learn anything from history / THEIR mistakes.

(And YES, I understand the difference between 'Socialism' and 'Progressivism', as slight as it may be:

Socialism is an economic system where the government runs and controls the production resources collectively owned by society to achieve its common good.

Progressivism ,on the other hand, is a political philosophy that seeks to raise the standard of living of the average member of society in order to achieve a positive social change.

While socialism and progressivism both seek the economic and political equality of all members of society, they differ in their views and approaches. (Yeah, the 'spread the wealth B$ the 'Progressives' push is different than the one 'Socialists' do because under Progressivism more money is equally distributed to everyone, our leaders aren't self/party-serving multi-millionaire pr!cks who impose their will on people like Socialists do.... wait a minute. That is EXACTLY what the 'Progressives are giving us right now!

Socialists want to abolish capitalism because they believe that it exploits the working class (when it is really THEY who exploit the working class to seize their money and pay for their Socialist Utopia). They want the working class to play an overpowering role in shifting society from capitalism to socialism (which is done through CONTROL and NOT by happy, willing workers) either through a popular vote or going on a general strike or even going to the extreme of uprising or revolution.

Progressives, on the other hand, believe that capitalism is the most expeditious way to grow the wealth of society (which usually requires a proper $crewing of the working class) under a (Socialist / GOVERNMENT) regulated business environment. They want to attain social change gradually. (Like the frog in the warm-to-boiling water scenario). In the end - SAME OUTCOME.)

 

[Arizona Willie]

Sorry, Fox News has been lying to you --- AGAIN.

Socialism hasn't caused the collapse of ANY governments. NONE.

Communism, on the other hand, is a different matter.

But those two are quite different and you knew that didn't you, bunky? Oh yeah, no you don't know the difference.

Let me let you in on a little secret that Fox Lies won't tell you.

You don't see hardly anyone trying to emigrate to America from Europe or the Scandinavian countries anymore.

Only people from 3rd world countries are trying to come here thinking their lives would be better, and some of them are thinking twice.

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If the choice is between a Plutocrat or a Western European form of Socialism the latter is what will be good for our country, IMO.

So Socialism, which has resulted in the collapse of almost every single government / nation that has tried it, is your preference. Sounds great, until you ask someone who has actually lived through it and under it. Those people in Europe are wondering what in the HAIL we are doing and why we didn't learn anything from history / THEIR mistakes.

 

[easyt65]

Socialism hasn't caused the collapse of ANY governments. NONE.

LOL! I will inform Greece / Eastern Europe that Socialism did NOT cause their collapse. They will be happy to know that.
Why Socialism Collapsed in Eastern Europe.

Socialism usually doesn't last more than about 10 years...just ask:
People's Democratic Republic of Algeria (15 September 1963 - 1988)
Republic of Bolivia (26 September 1969 - 21 August 1971)
Burkina Faso (4 August 1984 - 15 October 1987)
Union of Burma (4 January 1948 - 2 March 1962)
Socialist Republic of the Union of Burma (2 March 1962 - 23 September 1988)
Republic of Cape Verde (8 July 1975 - 22 March 1991)
State of Comoros (3 August 1975 - 13 May 1978)
Republic of Egypt (23 July 1952 - 22 February 1958)
Republic of Ghana (6 March 1957 - 24 February 1966), (31 December 1981 - 7 January 2001)
People's Revolutionary Republic of Guinea (2 October 1958 – 3 April 1984)
Republic of Guinea-Bissau (24 September 1973 - 17 February 2000)
Republic of Indonesia (18 August 1945 - 12 March 1967)
Republic of Iraq (14 July 1958 - 8 February 1963)
Libyan Arab Republic (1 September 1969 - 2 March 1977)
Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya (2 March 1977 - 2011)
Democratic Republic of Madagascar (21 December 1975 - 19 August 1992)
Republic of Mali (20 July 1960 - 19 November 1968)
United Mexican States (5 February 1917 - 1 December 2000)
Republic of Nicaragua (18 July 1979 - 25 April 1990)
Republic of Panama (11 October 1968 - 31 July 1981)
Republic of Peru (3 October 1968 - 30 August 1975)
Democratic Republic of São Tomé and Príncipe (12 July 1975 - 3 April 1991)
Republic of Senegal (6 September 1960 - 1 April 2000)
Republic of Seychelles (5 June 1977 - 26 July 1992)
Spanish Republic (14 April 1931 - 15 July 1939)
Democratic Republic of Sudan (25 May 1969 – 10 October 1985)
Republic of Suriname (25 February 1980 - 25 January 1988)
Republic of Tanganyika (9 December 1962 - 26 April 1964)
Republic of Uganda (15 April 1966 - 25 January 1971)
Union of African States (23 November 1958 - 1962)
United Arab Republic (22 February 1958 – 28 September 1961)
Yemen Arab Republic (27 September 1962 - 22 May 1990)
Republic of Zambia (24 October 1964 - 2 November 1991)
People's Republic of Zanzibar and Pemba (12 January - 26 April 1964)

 

[Sun Devil 92]

You seem to fail to grasp the principal that each income group should pay it's share of the cost of running the country according to their share of the personal income of the country.

The bottom 40%, whom you hate so much, would pay perhaps 5% of the cost of running the nation AS A GROUP so individuals within that group would pay very little ---- almost nothing ---- as their share of the 5% their income group owes.

While the billionaire class would pay 80% of the cost of running the country because they receive 80% of the nations personal income. They receive more so they should pay more.

Let's use an illustration.

Say you and I go to the grocery store. You buy only one of those small handbaskets of stuff but I fill two grocery carts.

Who should pay more?

Same principle. The wealthy GET more from society. They live in gated mansions with security roving the grounds while the poor live in mobile homes. The wealthy take their family on around the world cruises while the poor are afraid to take a day off because they might get fired.

They GET MORE so they SHOULD PAY MORE.

Every tax cut we give the wealthy has to be made up by someone else === YOU.

========

If the 1%'ers get 80% of the nations income they should pay 80% of the taxes.

Each income level should pay the same percentage in taxes( as a group ... not individuals ) that they get of the nations income.

If a group gets 80% of the income they pay 80% of the taxes it takes to run the country.
If a group gets 10% of the income they pay 10% of the taxes it takes to run the country.

The wealthy receive far more FROM society therefore they owe more TO society.

What could be more fair than that?

==========

So we can tax the individuals who actually contribute revenue more and more until we have no one else to tax...

So you are up to taxing the bottom 40% which pay no federal taxes at all ?

I'm up for that.

Right now, they pay nothing as I understand it (federal).

So, I am O.K. with them paying a proportional percentage (something close to what you indicated).

I don't hate them.

I was just asking.

 

[SAYIT]

Don't forget --- every tax deduction you have taken is government assistance. The government gave you a break and didn't make you pay as much as you would have had to otherwise, so that is just the same as if they gave you a check.

Funny thing, bucky, EVERY world survey reports some Socialist countries WAY ahead of America in personal happiness, health care, and education, and standard of living.

America always was and always will be socialistic.

If the government didn't ALLOW you to take the deduction you would have to pay more. Presuming you even bother to pay taxes at all, many of you government haters don't.

When the government makes an exception for you that lets you pay less that is just the same as giving you a check.

Deny it all you want but rational people won't.

Wow ... just WOW.
So America has always been socialist, life in Europe is just grand and any money that the gov't does not confiscate from me in taxes is the gov't giving me a break?
Just WOW.

You really should spend a lot less time in that Arizona sun ... it's melting your brain cells.