Can we all agree that Germany no longer needs U.S. Occupation?

[KissMy]

Yep, Socialism has failed every time it has been tried long-term. It’s been a great incubator dictatorships. Fact

Repeating Lies does not = fact

 

[Two Thumbs]

I'm amazed at how many leftist defend socialism.

we went to war with socialist nations
we avoid it like the cancer it is


you'd think they would learn from the horrible examples from around the world.

 

[Rustic]

Yep, Socialism has failed every time it has been tried long-term. It’s been a great incubator dictatorships. Fact

Repeating Lies does not = fact

When has Socialism worked long term? It has been tried countless times and only resulted in the incubation of dictatorships.

 

[Rustic]

I'm amazed at how many leftist defend socialism.

we went to war with socialist nations
we avoid it like the cancer it is


you'd think they would learn from the horrible examples from around the world.

No doubt, Any form of government like socialism that has to be forced is no good in anyway. Socialism never has the best interest of the people in mind… Because there is not any sort of freedom and individuality in socialism. Fact

 

[Spare_change]

How many weeks would it take to move all of the Army's personnel and equipment by ship from the east coast and Gulf of Mexico all the way to Europe? That is also as

Why do we need to rush into war in fucking Europe to protect America?

You are full of military/industrial complex, world police BULLSHIT.

You play the same game the leftists do when the reasoning doesn't add up. You act like we don't understand some complex voodoo line of military or foreign policy crony logic. The reality is that we waste trillions running our big-ass military all over the fucking world for no other reason but to line the pockets of people like John McTumor.

It is complete bullshit and you know it.

Before I go to the effort ...

If I explain it to you, will you listen? Are you willing to change your mind?

If not, I'm not going to waste my time.

 

[Spare_change]

If the Germans want us there to "protect" them from Russia, Iran, etc. Then the Germans should pay 100% of the cost of maintaining our bases in their country. If we are to be the world's police force, then we should be paid for that service. If not, bring our people home.

That's not why we're there ... frankly, it has absolutely nothing to do with protecting Germany.

 

[Spare_change]

We should leave.

We never should have gone there in the first place.

Our Founders knew the Old world would be at war forever, and told us not to get involved, but the progs needed blood, now we are stuck.

or can we just pack the fuck up and leave?

do we have to have ports and bases around the world?
do we have to bleed our economy and sons and daughters for a world that won't make any attempt at actual peace?

Fuck the old world, let it die in it's ancient rivalries. Just sell them all the weapons and ammo they can carry.

should we also pull out of Japan and Korea and let the Chinese and the crazy NK dictator take those countries? This is not as easy as it seems on the surface.

As a matter of fact, Yes we should.
Just as you said for Germany, If Japan and Korea want our protection then they should pay for 100% of the costs. The US has been way to kind in providing free security for these countries, This is one of the reasons we have a massive deficit.

No!

You can't put a dollar value on human life or even the quality of life.

As a Navy Vet, I spent 2 years in isolated duty. Know what you get for being sent to an Isolated duty posting? More money, you having nothing to spend it on, since there's almost no where to go.

no

fuck the world.

Time we learned the lesson our founders taught us and leave it to rot.

I am amazed at the stupidity of your lack of global awareness --- not surprised, mind you ... just amazed.

 

[Redfish]

If the Germans want us there to "protect" them from Russia, Iran, etc. Then the Germans should pay 100% of the cost of maintaining our bases in their country. If we are to be the world's police force, then we should be paid for that service. If not, bring our people home.

That's not why we're there ... frankly, it has absolutely nothing to do with protecting Germany.

not the total reason, but certainly part of it, and you know it.

 

[Aldo Raine]

I try my best to avoid taking a stance until hearing the facts. Does Germany want us out? What military services do our German bases support? Does getting out also refer to the military hospital there and if so, how would that effect care of our injured?

Very good questions, I have heard nothing about us leaving Germany.

 

[Aldo Raine]

Seriously. WTF are we still doing in Germany?

For how many decades must Germany atone for the sins of prior generations before it is allowed complete autonomy?

Our military should GET THE FUCK OUT. (and save us a bunch of money in the process)




Free Germany NOW!!

Sing The Scorpions with me:

Take me to the magic of the moment
On a glory night
Where the children of tomorrow dream away (dream away)
In the wind of change

I agree 100%. Take them out, put them on the southern border. Two problems solved and lots of money saved.

I thought that would be against the law?

 

[eagle1462010]

While I agree that other countries in NATO need to step up and do their share, the U.S. bases in Germany are KEY STRATEGIC BASES for the United States..........

And that in a nut shell is in the best interest of the United States. Even at the cost of having to baby sit other Nations who fail to do their part in the defense of NATO.

If we weren't over there, we wouldn't need that base.

and really, you think they wouldn't make room for us if they needed us?

Isolationism policy doesn't work. Neither does endless wars in the sandy region of the world.

I would remind you that this is not the cold war era. With the weapons and capabilities of today's militaries there is no time like there was in WWII.

We can get hit quickly with air power almost anywhere in the world now. What you have there should the worst ever happen have to be there and ready up front.

 

[eagle1462010]

I try my best to avoid taking a stance until hearing the facts. Does Germany want us out? What military services do our German bases support? Does getting out also refer to the military hospital there and if so, how would that effect care of our injured?

As I understand it, Germans want us out. I am sure arrangements can be made to have hospital support there.

filthy Germany should remain occupied for the rest of time, Russians should return and rebuild the wall, and both America AND Russia should work together to make sure that the filthy country of Germany drown in its own NAZI filth, the country then reorganized to encompass the vision of HELL.

germany rules the eu now

they won

Yep, Nazis/socialists are on the rise again...

instead of offering war they offered free shit.

Greece is little more than a slave state, with Spain and Italy right behind them.

Going to the EU was a major mistake of Europe. Countries sold their souls to the bankers and lost their national identity. They must go to the EU to get permission for many things that should be done from their own country. In that way they determine their own fate.........whether it be good or bad........and take no one else down with them should they financially fail as Greece did...................

They have made major mistakes there.......................and are now beholding to their money masters...........

 

[eagle1462010]

I try my best to avoid taking a stance until hearing the facts. Does Germany want us out? What military services do our German bases support? Does getting out also refer to the military hospital there and if so, how would that effect care of our injured?

Very good questions, I have heard nothing about us leaving Germany.

I haven't either........while some there may not want us there it is doubtful that the majority of them want us out. I'd have to see it proven for me to believe that.

Regardless..........Germany is a key strategic area for the United States in Europe.

 

[L.K.Eder]

Seriously. WTF are we still doing in Germany?

For how many decades must Germany atone for the sins of prior generations before it is allowed complete autonomy?

Our military should GET THE FUCK OUT. (and save us a bunch of money in the process)




Free Germany NOW!!

Sing The Scorpions with me:

Take me to the magic of the moment
On a glory night
Where the children of tomorrow dream away (dream away)
In the wind of change

yes. get the fuck out, Ami go home. Germany is used as staging ground and hospital, putting it in danger rather than defending it. move landstuhl and ramstein to hungary, nearly everyone will love it, esp. putin, lol.

 

[BulletProof]

It seems US troops are in most of the countries of the world. We need to get them out. We need to stop foreign aid. We need to stop giving welfare to immigrants. So many ways we should save money and otherwise stop hurting ourselves.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Seriously. WTF are we still doing in Germany?

For how many decades must Germany atone for the sins of prior generations before it is allowed complete autonomy?

Our military should GET THE FUCK OUT. (and save us a bunch of money in the process)




Free Germany NOW!!

Sing The Scorpions with me:

Take me to the magic of the moment
On a glory night
Where the children of tomorrow dream away (dream away)
In the wind of change

I agree 100%. Take them out, put them on the southern border. Two problems solved and lots of money saved.

I thought that would be against the law?

Many people have the same mistaken idea. It is the Posse Comitatus Act that confuses people. It basically states that the US military cannot engage in civilian law enforcement activities. It was never meant to include the border and should not do so as controlling one's borders is one of the most basic uses for a military.

Also, if we stop them from crossing the border then it would not be a LE function, but one of defense. You could allow the BP to deal with the few that get through.

 

[L.K.Eder]

Seriously. WTF are we still doing in Germany?

For how many decades must Germany atone for the sins of prior generations before it is allowed complete autonomy?

Our military should GET THE FUCK OUT. (and save us a bunch of money in the process)




Free Germany NOW!!

Sing The Scorpions with me:

Take me to the magic of the moment
On a glory night
Where the children of tomorrow dream away (dream away)
In the wind of change

As much as I disagree with the idea of overseas deployment of US troops, it warms my heart just a little to hear the Germans hate it.


A little humiliating debasement can only be good for the Germans.

lol, what a twerp. hey, you can stay, just like walmart. just don't pretend you are doing it to defend us.

 

[L.K.Eder]

I spent the summer of 1967 on the Fluda Gap. Two observations:

The Germans both hated us and loved us at the same time.

Most young German girls were short miniskirts and were cute as hell.

fulda gap, holy fuck.

 

[Spare_change]

If the Germans want us there to "protect" them from Russia, Iran, etc. Then the Germans should pay 100% of the cost of maintaining our bases in their country. If we are to be the world's police force, then we should be paid for that service. If not, bring our people home.

That's not why we're there ... frankly, it has absolutely nothing to do with protecting Germany.

not the total reason, but certainly part of it, and you know it.

Actually, it's not even a consideration ... and I DO know it. In fact, I can testify that the Pentagon has several scenarios in which they intentionally sacrifice Germany for a better tactical situation.

 

[Spare_change]

While I agree that other countries in NATO need to step up and do their share, the U.S. bases in Germany are KEY STRATEGIC BASES for the United States..........

And that in a nut shell is in the best interest of the United States. Even at the cost of having to baby sit other Nations who fail to do their part in the defense of NATO.

If we weren't over there, we wouldn't need that base.

and really, you think they wouldn't make room for us if they needed us?

Isolationism policy doesn't work. Neither does endless wars in the sandy region of the world.

I would remind you that this is not the cold war era. With the weapons and capabilities of today's militaries there is no time like there was in WWII.

We can get hit quickly with air power almost anywhere in the world now. What you have there should the worst ever happen have to be there and ready up front.

That is simply not true ... you've read too many Tom Clancy novels.