Capitalism is NOT Democratic: Democracy is NOT Capitalist

[dblack]

If I've ever characterized a human right as a good or service others must provide, it was unintentional.

Do you claim health care as a right? Housing? Food? Education? Maybe I was wrong about you.

Apparently, you subscribe to the "survival of the fittest" approach to society while I believe in reasons and rights.

Nope. I don't believe in "survival of the fittest" and you don't believe in "reasons and rights". You don't even understand them.

I don't see how freedom of speech or education or medical care or assembly can be construed as a zero-sum transaction, do you?

I don't know what the euphemism "a zero-sum transaction" is, nor do I care. But if you're claiming medical care as a right - that's free shit! That's a service others must provide. Which you deny above. How can you contradict yourself in the same fucking post?'

 

[bripat9643]

Only in your polluted, indoctrinated, capitalist mind.

Universal Declaration of Human Rights - Wikipedia

That's a communist document. No legitimate right can involve forcing other people to supply it.

 

[bripat9643]

If I've ever characterized a human right as a good or service others must provide, it was unintentional.

You just did, turd. You claimed education is a right.

Apparently, you subscribe to the "survival of the fittest" approach to society while I believe in reasons and rights. I don't see how freedom of speech or education or medical care or assembly can be construed as a zero-sum transaction, do you?

What does that have to do with anything.

 

[bripat9643]

In #2513 you said: "In general when liberals or marxists use the term "human right", they mean "free shit". Human rights include assembly, movement, religion, speech, and thought. Do you expect people to pay for such "rights"? Do you imagine my right to free speech requires you to give up yours?

What is your poster supposed to mean? It's not an answer to his question.

 

[dblack]

What is your poster supposed to mean? It's not an answer to his question.

No, but it fills the quota.

 

[georgephillip]

We'll take that to mean "never."

I provided a credible source for the claim prior to WWI wartime allies had never required debt repayment among them., and the US reversed that policy. If you have a different view, post it.

 

[georgephillip]

Those aren't liberties. If your policies were ever implement, we would all be starving.

Free medical care and higher education lower the costs of living and doing business. If those two rights were ever implemented in this country (as they are in much of the rest of the world), there would be fewer US financial billionaires and millions of more middle-class jobs.

 

[bripat9643]

Free medical care and higher education lower the costs of living and doing business.

They obviously don't. There's nothing more expensive than free medical care. "Free education" is so expensive because the government provides it.

If those two rights were ever implemented in this country (as they are in much of the rest of the world), there would be fewer US financial billionaires and millions of more middle-class jobs.

Rights don't have to be implemented. They don't require the government to fund them. They just need to be recognized.

 

[bripat9643]

I provided a credible source for the claim prior to WWI wartime allies had never required debt repayment among them., and the US reversed that policy. If you have a different view, post it.

Your source is a communist. Therefore, not credible.

Prior to WW I countries hardly ever loaned other countries money to fight a war. Can you provide an example where one did?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I provided a credible source for the claim prior to WWI wartime allies had never required debt repayment among them., and the US reversed that policy. If you have a different view, post it.

Which wars? How much debt? Post that link.

 

[georgephillip]

A smart person feared FDR more than any "private power."

Which side of the Business Plot was the "smart" side?

Business Plot - Wikipedia

"The Business Plot (also called the Wall Street Putsch[1] and The White House Putsch) was a political conspiracy in 1933 in the United States to overthrow the government of President Franklin D. Roosevelt and install a dictator.[2]

"Retired Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler asserted that wealthy businessmen were plotting to create a fascist veterans' organization with Butler as its leader and use it in a coup d'état to overthrow Roosevelt."

 

[bripat9643]

Which side of the Business Plot was the "smart" side?

Business Plot - Wikipedia

"The Business Plot (also called the Wall Street Putsch[1] and The White House Putsch) was a political conspiracy in 1933 in the United States to overthrow the government of President Franklin D. Roosevelt and install a dictator.[2]

"Retired Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler asserted that wealthy businessmen were plotting to create a fascist veterans' organization with Butler as its leader and use it in a coup d'état to overthrow Roosevelt."

He sounds almost as kooky as you.

 

[georgephillip]

He sounds almost as kooky as you.

Director of Public Safety for Philadelphia
Smedley Butler
Butler in uniform, c. 1929
Birth name	Smedley Darlington Butler
Nickname(s)	"Old Gimlet Eye" "The Fighting Quaker"
Born	July 30, 1881 West Chester, Pennsylvania, U.S.
Died	June 21, 1940 (aged 58) Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, U.S.
Buried	Oaklands Cemetery, West Goshen Township, Pennsylvania 39°58′46.4″N 75°37′17.7″W
Allegiance	United States of America
Service/branch	Marine Corps
Years of service	1898–1931
Rank	Major general
Commands held	3d Battalion, 1st Marines 13th Marines Marine Barracks, Quantico Marine Corps Base, San Diego 3d Marine Brigade Marine Barracks, Quantico
Battles/wars	Spanish–American War Philippine–American War Battle of Noveleta Boxer Rebellion Battle of Tientsin (WIA) Battle of San Tan Pating Banana Wars Battle of Masaya Siege of Granada, Nicaragua Battle of Coyotepe Hill Infiltration of Mexico City Battle of Fort Dipitie Battle of Fort Rivière Mexican Revolution Battle of Veracruz World War I Defensive Sector
Awards	Medal of Honor (2) Marine Corps Brevet Medal National Order of Honour and Merit, Grand Cross (Haiti) Military Medal (Haiti) Commander of the Order of the Black Star (France) See more
Relations	Smedley Darlington (grandfather) Thomas S. Butler (father)
Other work	Activist, official, lecturer, writer

"Major General Smedley Darlington Butler (July 30, 1881 – June 21, 1940), nicknamed 'Old Gimlet Eye',[1] was a senior United States Marine Corps officer who fought in the Philippine–American War, the Boxer Rebellion, the Mexican Revolution and World War I.

"During his 34-year career as a Marine, he participated in military actions in the Philippines, China, and Central America; the Caribbean during the Banana Wars; and France in World War I.

"Butler was, at the time of his death, the most decorated Marine in U.S. history"

Smedley Butler - Wikipedia

Which side of the Business Plot was kooky, Traitor?

 

[georgephillip]

Privatized? LOL!

Private banker, Turd.

"Private debt is created for different reasons than public debt.

"Public banks would not lend for corporate takeover loans.

"They would not lend to corporate raiders, or for stock buybacks.

"They would not create junk mortgages way beyond the ability of borrowers to pay. Government debt would be extended presumably for spending for the public purpose – to increase economic growth and increase prosperity.

"Private debt these days has become largely dysfunctional. Its effect has often been to shift prosperity from 90% of the population to the 10% of the population that controls the banks and the creditors.

"So private debt has become corrosive and parasitic, while public debt is supposed to be handled well – except to the extent that the oligarchy has taken over the government."

Debt and Power | Michael Hudson

 

[georgephillip]

If you don't have a useful, in demand product, you'll never have any sales.

"Britain’s top financial watchdog has said that Wall Street and other financial centers are mostly focused on 'socially useless activity.'

"This week, John Cassidy unpacks that statement in The New Yorker. 'Why on earth should finance be the biggest and most highly paid industry when it’s just a utility, like sewage or gas?' an economist asks Cassidy.

"While Wall Street often heralds itself as an engine of job creation, Cassidy says, Wall Street’s role in financing new businesses is a small portion of what it does.' Goldman Sachs, for example, raked in 63 percent of its revenue between July and September from trading."

Wall Street 'Socially Useless'

 

[bripat9643]

Smedley Butler
Director of Public Safety for Philadelphia
Butler in uniform, c. 1929
Birth name	Smedley Darlington Butler
Nickname(s)	"Old Gimlet Eye" "The Fighting Quaker"
Born	July 30, 1881 West Chester, Pennsylvania, U.S.
Died	June 21, 1940 (aged 58) Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, U.S.
Buried	Oaklands Cemetery, West Goshen Township, Pennsylvania 39°58′46.4″N 75°37′17.7″W
Allegiance	United States of America
Service/branch	Marine Corps
Years of service	1898–1931
Rank	Major general
Commands held	3d Battalion, 1st Marines 13th Marines Marine Barracks, Quantico Marine Corps Base, San Diego 3d Marine Brigade Marine Barracks, Quantico
Battles/wars	Spanish–American War Philippine–American War Battle of Noveleta Boxer Rebellion Battle of Tientsin (WIA) Battle of San Tan Pating Banana Wars Battle of Masaya Siege of Granada, Nicaragua Battle of Coyotepe Hill Infiltration of Mexico City Battle of Fort Dipitie Battle of Fort Rivière Mexican Revolution Battle of Veracruz World War I Defensive Sector
Awards	Medal of Honor (2) Marine Corps Brevet Medal National Order of Honour and Merit, Grand Cross (Haiti) Military Medal (Haiti) Commander of the Order of the Black Star (France) See more
Relations	Smedley Darlington (grandfather) Thomas S. Butler (father)
Other work	Activist, official, lecturer, writer

"Major General Smedley Darlington Butler (July 30, 1881 – June 21, 1940), nicknamed 'Old Gimlet Eye',[1] was a senior United States Marine Corps officer who fought in the Philippine–American War, the Boxer Rebellion, the Mexican Revolution and World War I.

"During his 34-year career as a Marine, he participated in military actions in the Philippines, China, and Central America; the Caribbean during the Banana Wars; and France in World War I.

"Butler was, at the time of his death, the most decorated Marine in U.S. history"

Smedley Butler - Wikipedia

Which side of the Business Plot was kooky, Traitor?

So?

 

[georgephillip]

ou have the chart for communism?
Probably 30 pages long, eh tovarisch?

 

[bripat9643]

"Britain’s top financial watchdog has said that Wall Street and other financial centers are mostly focused on 'socially useless activity.'

He's obviously incompetent because stocks perform a very necessary function in the economy. He must be a commie moron like you.

"This week, John Cassidy unpacks that statement in The New Yorker. 'Why on earth should finance be the biggest and most highly paid industry when it’s just a utility, like sewage or gas?' an economist asks Cassidy.

"While Wall Street often heralds itself as an engine of job creation, Cassidy says, Wall Street’s role in financing new businesses is a small portion of what it does.' Goldman Sachs, for example, raked in 63 percent of its revenue between July and September from trading."

Wall Street 'Socially Useless'

It's not the biggest or mostly highly paid industry. Apple is the biggest corporation in the world, not Goldman Sachs.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

"They would not create junk mortgages way beyond the ability of borrowers to pay.

Or make student loans way beyond the ability of borrowers to pay.....ummm.....errr.....never mind.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

"Britain’s top financial watchdog has said that Wall Street and other financial centers are mostly focused on 'socially useless activity.'

"This week, John Cassidy unpacks that statement in The New Yorker. 'Why on earth should finance be the biggest and most highly paid industry when it’s just a utility, like sewage or gas?' an economist asks Cassidy.

"While Wall Street often heralds itself as an engine of job creation, Cassidy says, Wall Street’s role in financing new businesses is a small portion of what it does.' Goldman Sachs, for example, raked in 63 percent of its revenue between July and September from trading."

Wall Street 'Socially Useless'

"Britain’s top financial watchdog has said that Wall Street and other financial centers are mostly focused on 'socially useless activity.'

And yet, in demand and useful.

"While Wall Street often heralds itself as an engine of job creation, Cassidy says, Wall Street’s role in financing new businesses is a small portion of what it does.'

New businesses aren't the only ones that need financing.

Goldman Sachs, for example, raked in 63 percent of its revenue between July and September from trading."

But they didn't make any of that from you, eh?
You taught them a lesson. Made it worth being poor and miserable.
Do you think they noticed your absence from the markets?