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Let me start by saying that this is not intended to bash Catholics or religious freedom. It is a much needed look at what happens when the concept of religious freedom is taken too far.
My feeling that if people believe that their religion prevents them from providing certain kinds of care, they simply should not be medical professionals and that goes for any religion, not just Catholics. This is what is hap
Selected excerpts
The Trump administration is poised to hand religious conservatives another victory: a slew of new federal rules that would give religious health care providers wide latitude to refuse to treat patients or perform procedures if doing so would violate their religious beliefs.
Some of the most powerful hospital networks in the country have lobbied for these “conscience” rules, claiming they shouldn’t fear a legal risk for practicing medicine according to their religious beliefs. But those same hospital networks are already using religious justifications to place women in life-threatening situations with impunity, documents obtained by HuffPost show.
Here are some examples of the insanity that is taking place
At a hospital owned by Ascension, the largest Catholic hospital network in the country and a staunch proponent of a rule that would give nearly any health care worker the right to refuse care, doctors refused to intervene as a woman was undergoing a life-threatening miscarriage because they believed that doing so would be the same as performing an abortion, the documents show. Instead, they carted her out to the hospital parking lot so a relative could drive her to a different emergency room, where she underwent a massive blood transfusion and emergency surgery.
Ascension, which operates more than 150 hospitals according to these same religious principles, also runs a hospital where doctors refused to perform a tubal ligation, even though the patient was at risk of dying if she ever became pregnant again. And at hospitals controlled by Trinity Health, a network that manages nearly 100 care centers around the Midwest, multiple women have accused doctors of withholding emergency medicine because it violated their prohibitions on certain kinds of reproductive health care.
Another example
..............on Oct. 25, 2012, when a woman arrived at St. John Hospital and Medical Center of Detroit in an ambulance. The woman was between 17 and 23 weeks pregnant — a point where an infant would not survive outside the womb — and in the midst of a miscarriage. Her condition was life-threatening and indicated that she needed an emergency termination to prevent the risk of bleeding to death, according to a complaint later filed by a medical staffer at another hospital.
The quotes are all based only on the complaint documents in the lawsuits, not on anything that has been substantiated yet.
Martybegan makes an excellent point. Catholic policy is, and always has been, to protect both lives, if possible. The mother's life takes priority in that she is given life-saving treatment even should the baby be miscarried due to the treatment. Some of these stories simply do not add up. Something is being withheld by the complainants . I.
Let us know when you find out what is being withheld . t does not sound like they are that interested in the life of the women
That must be it. It is the only possible answer. "They" don't care about the lives of women.
Let me start by saying that this is not intended to bash Catholics or religious freedom. It is a much needed look at what happens when the concept of religious freedom is taken too far.
My feeling that if people believe that their religion prevents them from providing certain kinds of care, they simply should not be medical professionals and that goes for any religion, not just Catholics. This is what is happening and, not surprisingly, the Trump Administration is working to make the problem worse
Here's What Happens When A Catholic Hospital Won't Try To Save You | HuffPost
Selected excerpts
The Trump administration is poised to hand religious conservatives another victory: a slew of new federal rules that would give religious health care providers wide latitude to refuse to treat patients or perform procedures if doing so would violate their religious beliefs.
Some of the most powerful hospital networks in the country have lobbied for these “conscience” rules, claiming they shouldn’t fear a legal risk for practicing medicine according to their religious beliefs. But those same hospital networks are already using religious justifications to place women in life-threatening situations with impunity, documents obtained by HuffPost show.
Here are some examples of the insanity that is taking place
At a hospital owned by Ascension, the largest Catholic hospital network in the country and a staunch proponent of a rule that would give nearly any health care worker the right to refuse care, doctors refused to intervene as a woman was undergoing a life-threatening miscarriage because they believed that doing so would be the same as performing an abortion, the documents show. Instead, they carted her out to the hospital parking lot so a relative could drive her to a different emergency room, where she underwent a massive blood transfusion and emergency surgery.
Ascension, which operates more than 150 hospitals according to these same religious principles, also runs a hospital where doctors refused to perform a tubal ligation, even though the patient was at risk of dying if she ever became pregnant again. And at hospitals controlled by Trinity Health, a network that manages nearly 100 care centers around the Midwest, multiple women have accused doctors of withholding emergency medicine because it violated their prohibitions on certain kinds of reproductive health care.
Another example
..............on Oct. 25, 2012, when a woman arrived at St. John Hospital and Medical Center of Detroit in an ambulance. The woman was between 17 and 23 weeks pregnant — a point where an infant would not survive outside the womb — and in the midst of a miscarriage. Her condition was life-threatening and indicated that she needed an emergency termination to prevent the risk of bleeding to death, according to a complaint later filed by a medical staffer at another hospital.
There is much more but you get the idea. Religious hypocrisy concerning the sanctity of life, Medical professionals violating their vow to do no harm, and the Trump Administration enabling them for evangelical vote.
Let me start by saying that this is not intended to bash Catholics or religious freedom. It is a much needed look at what happens when the concept of religious freedom is taken too far.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
There is no "too far".
Are you fucking kidding me! The Administration is doing exactly that, making rules that favor a religious practice. And since when is letting people die an expression of religious freedom? The government should just stay out of it and let the hospitals face the legal consequences of turning people away and forfeit federal funds. THAT would be in keeping with the first amendment
I went to a Muslim owned restaurant and they wouldn't serve me a BLT...WTF is that?
That's called bigoted racism you white devil infidel.
Let me start by saying that this is not intended to bash Catholics or religious freedom. It is a much needed look at what happens when the concept of religious freedom is taken too far.
My feeling that if people believe that their religion prevents them from providing certain kinds of care, they simply should not be medical professionals and that goes for any religion, not just Catholics. This is what is happening and, not surprisingly, the Trump Administration is working to make the problem worse
Here's What Happens When A Catholic Hospital Won't Try To Save You | HuffPost
Selected excerpts
The Trump administration is poised to hand religious conservatives another victory: a slew of new federal rules that would give religious health care providers wide latitude to refuse to treat patients or perform procedures if doing so would violate their religious beliefs.
Some of the most powerful hospital networks in the country have lobbied for these “conscience” rules, claiming they shouldn’t fear a legal risk for practicing medicine according to their religious beliefs. But those same hospital networks are already using religious justifications to place women in life-threatening situations with impunity, documents obtained by HuffPost show.
Here are some examples of the insanity that is taking place
At a hospital owned by Ascension, the largest Catholic hospital network in the country and a staunch proponent of a rule that would give nearly any health care worker the right to refuse care, doctors refused to intervene as a woman was undergoing a life-threatening miscarriage because they believed that doing so would be the same as performing an abortion, the documents show. Instead, they carted her out to the hospital parking lot so a relative could drive her to a different emergency room, where she underwent a massive blood transfusion and emergency surgery.
Ascension, which operates more than 150 hospitals according to these same religious principles, also runs a hospital where doctors refused to perform a tubal ligation, even though the patient was at risk of dying if she ever became pregnant again. And at hospitals controlled by Trinity Health, a network that manages nearly 100 care centers around the Midwest, multiple women have accused doctors of withholding emergency medicine because it violated their prohibitions on certain kinds of reproductive health care.
Another example
..............on Oct. 25, 2012, when a woman arrived at St. John Hospital and Medical Center of Detroit in an ambulance. The woman was between 17 and 23 weeks pregnant — a point where an infant would not survive outside the womb — and in the midst of a miscarriage. Her condition was life-threatening and indicated that she needed an emergency termination to prevent the risk of bleeding to death, according to a complaint later filed by a medical staffer at another hospital.
There is much more but you get the idea. Religious hypocrisy concerning the sanctity of life, Medical professionals violating their vow to do no harm, and the Trump Administration enabling them for evangelical vote.
Would you prefer they not treat anyone?
There was a missionary that went to Jordan. They operated a low cost clinic that treated absolutely anyone. It was way out in the desert. The only thing you had to do, was at the start of every day, they opened with a prayer, and said they were helping people in the name of Jesus.
The authorities said they were not allowed to do that. So they packed up and left.
Who was harmed? The Christians? No. They simply went somewhere else and helped people.
Who was harmed? The people who no longer got treatment.
This is the same left-wing stupidity, that says tax and regulate the rich, until they leave the country. Tax and regulate Amazon until they leave Seattle.
They'll leave. So will the Christians. And you won't have jobs or health care.
Here in Ohio, we have 3 major hospital chains. Riverside Methodist, Doctor's Hospital, and OSU.
OSU is absolute garbage. Doctor's hospital, is not good, but better than OSU.
Riverside Methodist hospitals, are the best. You want good care, you go there.
Of course only Methodist, is a religiously backed hospital chain. You run them out, because they are Christian, and you are just going to be stuck with crappy care elsewhere.
You harm, yourself.
Let me start by saying that this is not intended to bash Catholics or religious freedom. It is a much needed look at what happens when the concept of religious freedom is taken too far.
My feeling that if people believe that their religion prevents them from providing certain kinds of care, they simply should not be medical professionals and that goes for any religion, not just Catholics. This is what is happening and, not surprisingly, the Trump Administration is working to make the problem worse
Here's What Happens When A Catholic Hospital Won't Try To Save You | HuffPost
Selected excerpts
The Trump administration is poised to hand religious conservatives another victory: a slew of new federal rules that would give religious health care providers wide latitude to refuse to treat patients or perform procedures if doing so would violate their religious beliefs.
Some of the most powerful hospital networks in the country have lobbied for these “conscience” rules, claiming they shouldn’t fear a legal risk for practicing medicine according to their religious beliefs. But those same hospital networks are already using religious justifications to place women in life-threatening situations with impunity, documents obtained by HuffPost show.
Here are some examples of the insanity that is taking place
At a hospital owned by Ascension, the largest Catholic hospital network in the country and a staunch proponent of a rule that would give nearly any health care worker the right to refuse care, doctors refused to intervene as a woman was undergoing a life-threatening miscarriage because they believed that doing so would be the same as performing an abortion, the documents show. Instead, they carted her out to the hospital parking lot so a relative could drive her to a different emergency room, where she underwent a massive blood transfusion and emergency surgery.
Ascension, which operates more than 150 hospitals according to these same religious principles, also runs a hospital where doctors refused to perform a tubal ligation, even though the patient was at risk of dying if she ever became pregnant again. And at hospitals controlled by Trinity Health, a network that manages nearly 100 care centers around the Midwest, multiple women have accused doctors of withholding emergency medicine because it violated their prohibitions on certain kinds of reproductive health care.
Another example
..............on Oct. 25, 2012, when a woman arrived at St. John Hospital and Medical Center of Detroit in an ambulance. The woman was between 17 and 23 weeks pregnant — a point where an infant would not survive outside the womb — and in the midst of a miscarriage. Her condition was life-threatening and indicated that she needed an emergency termination to prevent the risk of bleeding to death, according to a complaint later filed by a medical staffer at another hospital.
There is much more but you get the idea. Religious hypocrisy concerning the sanctity of life, Medical professionals violating their vow to do no harm, and the Trump Administration enabling them for evangelical vote.
Would you prefer they not treat anyone?
There was a missionary that went to Jordan. They operated a low cost clinic that treated absolutely anyone. It was way out in the desert. The only thing you had to do, was at the start of every day, they opened with a prayer, and said they were helping people in the name of Jesus.
The authorities said they were not allowed to do that. So they packed up and left.
Who was harmed? The Christians? No. They simply went somewhere else and helped people.
Who was harmed? The people who no longer got treatment.
This is the same left-wing stupidity, that says tax and regulate the rich, until they leave the country. Tax and regulate Amazon until they leave Seattle.
They'll leave. So will the Christians. And you won't have jobs or health care.
Here in Ohio, we have 3 major hospital chains. Riverside Methodist, Doctor's Hospital, and OSU.
OSU is absolute garbage. Doctor's hospital, is not good, but better than OSU.
Riverside Methodist hospitals, are the best. You want good care, you go there.
Of course only Methodist, is a religiously backed hospital chain. You run them out, because they are Christian, and you are just going to be stuck with crappy care elsewhere.
You harm, yourself.
You have brought up the problem. There are many differences among the Christian groups. If I had a problem with being pregnant, I would trust a Methodist. I would trust an Episcopalian. I would trust a Quaker. And I would entrust my very life to a Jew. However, there are the Catholics and the Southern Baptists, who I would never, ever entrust with my body and my well-being.
They aren't letting women die, they are refusing to perform what they consider to be an abortion.Letting people die when you have the means to save them is not religious freedom or expression!What EXACTLY doesn't fly?Nice twist, but it doesn't fly.
"The Administration is doing exactly that, making rules that favor a religious practice."
The law providing for free expression already exists, same as the individual right to firearms. Nothing is being "extra-favored". It is simply being re-asserted for the dummies and fools who can't read simple English.
Let me start by saying that this is not intended to bash Catholics or religious freedom. It is a much needed look at what happens when the concept of religious freedom is taken too far.
My feeling that if people believe that their religion prevents them from providing certain kinds of care, they simply should not be medical professionals and that goes for any religion, not just Catholics. This is what is happening and, not surprisingly, the Trump Administration is working to make the problem worse
Here's What Happens When A Catholic Hospital Won't Try To Save You | HuffPost
Selected excerpts
The Trump administration is poised to hand religious conservatives another victory: a slew of new federal rules that would give religious health care providers wide latitude to refuse to treat patients or perform procedures if doing so would violate their religious beliefs.
Some of the most powerful hospital networks in the country have lobbied for these “conscience” rules, claiming they shouldn’t fear a legal risk for practicing medicine according to their religious beliefs. But those same hospital networks are already using religious justifications to place women in life-threatening situations with impunity, documents obtained by HuffPost show.
Here are some examples of the insanity that is taking place
At a hospital owned by Ascension, the largest Catholic hospital network in the country and a staunch proponent of a rule that would give nearly any health care worker the right to refuse care, doctors refused to intervene as a woman was undergoing a life-threatening miscarriage because they believed that doing so would be the same as performing an abortion, the documents show. Instead, they carted her out to the hospital parking lot so a relative could drive her to a different emergency room, where she underwent a massive blood transfusion and emergency surgery.
Ascension, which operates more than 150 hospitals according to these same religious principles, also runs a hospital where doctors refused to perform a tubal ligation, even though the patient was at risk of dying if she ever became pregnant again. And at hospitals controlled by Trinity Health, a network that manages nearly 100 care centers around the Midwest, multiple women have accused doctors of withholding emergency medicine because it violated their prohibitions on certain kinds of reproductive health care.
Another example
..............on Oct. 25, 2012, when a woman arrived at St. John Hospital and Medical Center of Detroit in an ambulance. The woman was between 17 and 23 weeks pregnant — a point where an infant would not survive outside the womb — and in the midst of a miscarriage. Her condition was life-threatening and indicated that she needed an emergency termination to prevent the risk of bleeding to death, according to a complaint later filed by a medical staffer at another hospital.
There is much more but you get the idea. Religious hypocrisy concerning the sanctity of life, Medical professionals violating their vow to do no harm, and the Trump Administration enabling them for evangelical vote.
Would you prefer they not treat anyone?
There was a missionary that went to Jordan. They operated a low cost clinic that treated absolutely anyone. It was way out in the desert. The only thing you had to do, was at the start of every day, they opened with a prayer, and said they were helping people in the name of Jesus.
The authorities said they were not allowed to do that. So they packed up and left.
Who was harmed? The Christians? No. They simply went somewhere else and helped people.
Who was harmed? The people who no longer got treatment.
This is the same left-wing stupidity, that says tax and regulate the rich, until they leave the country. Tax and regulate Amazon until they leave Seattle.
They'll leave. So will the Christians. And you won't have jobs or health care.
Here in Ohio, we have 3 major hospital chains. Riverside Methodist, Doctor's Hospital, and OSU.
OSU is absolute garbage. Doctor's hospital, is not good, but better than OSU.
Riverside Methodist hospitals, are the best. You want good care, you go there.
Of course only Methodist, is a religiously backed hospital chain. You run them out, because they are Christian, and you are just going to be stuck with crappy care elsewhere.
You harm, yourself.
You have brought up the problem. There are many differences among the Christian groups. If I had a problem with being pregnant, I would trust a Methodist. I would trust an Episcopalian. I would trust a Quaker. And I would entrust my very life to a Jew. However, there are the Catholics and the Southern Baptists, who I would never, ever entrust with my body and my well-being.
I don't see any problem here.
The problem is when you have a government run health care system, and they choose which doctors you go to.
Perfect example is the VA. Notorious for having bad doctors.
USA TODAY Investigation: VA knowingly hires doctors with past malpractice claims, discipline for poor care
If you want better health care, reduce regulation, so there are more hospitals to choose from, instead of fewer.
Let me start by saying that this is not intended to bash Catholics or religious freedom. It is a much needed look at what happens when the concept of religious freedom is taken too far.
My feeling that if people believe that their religion prevents them from providing certain kinds of care, they simply should not be medical professionals and that goes for any religion, not just Catholics. This is what is happening and, not surprisingly, the Trump Administration is working to make the problem worse
Here's What Happens When A Catholic Hospital Won't Try To Save You | HuffPost
Selected excerpts
The Trump administration is poised to hand religious conservatives another victory: a slew of new federal rules that would give religious health care providers wide latitude to refuse to treat patients or perform procedures if doing so would violate their religious beliefs.
Some of the most powerful hospital networks in the country have lobbied for these “conscience” rules, claiming they shouldn’t fear a legal risk for practicing medicine according to their religious beliefs. But those same hospital networks are already using religious justifications to place women in life-threatening situations with impunity, documents obtained by HuffPost show.
Here are some examples of the insanity that is taking place
At a hospital owned by Ascension, the largest Catholic hospital network in the country and a staunch proponent of a rule that would give nearly any health care worker the right to refuse care, doctors refused to intervene as a woman was undergoing a life-threatening miscarriage because they believed that doing so would be the same as performing an abortion, the documents show. Instead, they carted her out to the hospital parking lot so a relative could drive her to a different emergency room, where she underwent a massive blood transfusion and emergency surgery.
Ascension, which operates more than 150 hospitals according to these same religious principles, also runs a hospital where doctors refused to perform a tubal ligation, even though the patient was at risk of dying if she ever became pregnant again. And at hospitals controlled by Trinity Health, a network that manages nearly 100 care centers around the Midwest, multiple women have accused doctors of withholding emergency medicine because it violated their prohibitions on certain kinds of reproductive health care.
Another example
..............on Oct. 25, 2012, when a woman arrived at St. John Hospital and Medical Center of Detroit in an ambulance. The woman was between 17 and 23 weeks pregnant — a point where an infant would not survive outside the womb — and in the midst of a miscarriage. Her condition was life-threatening and indicated that she needed an emergency termination to prevent the risk of bleeding to death, according to a complaint later filed by a medical staffer at another hospital.
There is much more but you get the idea. Religious hypocrisy concerning the sanctity of life, Medical professionals violating their vow to do no harm, and the Trump Administration enabling them for evangelical vote.
Would you prefer they not treat anyone?
There was a missionary that went to Jordan. They operated a low cost clinic that treated absolutely anyone. It was way out in the desert. The only thing you had to do, was at the start of every day, they opened with a prayer, and said they were helping people in the name of Jesus.
The authorities said they were not allowed to do that. So they packed up and left.
Who was harmed? The Christians? No. They simply went somewhere else and helped people.
Who was harmed? The people who no longer got treatment.
This is the same left-wing stupidity, that says tax and regulate the rich, until they leave the country. Tax and regulate Amazon until they leave Seattle.
They'll leave. So will the Christians. And you won't have jobs or health care.
Here in Ohio, we have 3 major hospital chains. Riverside Methodist, Doctor's Hospital, and OSU.
OSU is absolute garbage. Doctor's hospital, is not good, but better than OSU.
Riverside Methodist hospitals, are the best. You want good care, you go there.
Of course only Methodist, is a religiously backed hospital chain. You run them out, because they are Christian, and you are just going to be stuck with crappy care elsewhere.
You harm, yourself.
You have brought up the problem. There are many differences among the Christian groups. If I had a problem with being pregnant, I would trust a Methodist. I would trust an Episcopalian. I would trust a Quaker. And I would entrust my very life to a Jew. However, there are the Catholics and the Southern Baptists, who I would never, ever entrust with my body and my well-being.
I don't see any problem here.
The problem is when you have a government run health care system, and they choose which doctors you go to.
Perfect example is the VA. Notorious for having bad doctors.
USA TODAY Investigation: VA knowingly hires doctors with past malpractice claims, discipline for poor care
If you want better health care, reduce regulation, so there are more hospitals to choose from, instead of fewer.
You don't see a problem? When a person has a pressing health problem, they go to doctors or are taken to doctors, who supposedly are duty-bound to do what is medically best for them. When you are bleeding out and in pain, you put your faith into caregivers to stop it all. You don't have a choice. You trust them. And then, as the article points out, some people find themselves among people who call themselves doctors who refuse to do what is necessary for their patients' well-being. Just get all of this out in the open! Women are not science projects.
It's shocking but true that women who might have reproductive issues must make out an advance directive as to where they should be taken in the event of an emergency in order to avoid this threat. For issues not involving female reproduction, most hospitals are okay. For issues involving the female reproductive system, steer clear of hospitals run by Catholics.
Sounds to me like you're trying to sell a narrative to yourself and the rest of us that you desperately want to believe , You might have missed the part about the lawsuit that was filed. There must be substance to the allegations....ya think?Let us know when you find out what is being withheld . t does not sound like they are that interested in the life of the women
The Catholic Church is a protector of life. Period. The moment you hear to the contrary should be the moment bells go of that something isn't being reported here. The mother's life is always protected, even if it means a spontaneous abortion is likely to occur. I'm guessing what happened is that the hospital said it could it was possible to save both, and the patient (or her family) was after forfeiting the life of the baby even though such a forfeiture wasn't necessary in order to save the mother. (Perhaps safer, but not absolutely necessary.)
Sounds to me like you're trying to sell a narrative to yourself and the rest of us that you desperately want to believe , You might have missed the part about the lawsuit that was filed. There must be substance to the allegations....ya think?Let us know when you find out what is being withheld . t does not sound like they are that interested in the life of the women
The Catholic Church is a protector of life. Period. The moment you hear to the contrary should be the moment bells go of that something isn't being reported here. The mother's life is always protected, even if it means a spontaneous abortion is likely to occur. I'm guessing what happened is that the hospital said it could it was possible to save both, and the patient (or her family) was after forfeiting the life of the baby even though such a forfeiture wasn't necessary in order to save the mother. (Perhaps safer, but not absolutely necessary.)
You have finally got something correct.Right, they just made all of this shit up. Huff Post= fake news
I'm not going to wade through all of that to try to figure out what you're trying to covey. Try explaining it and highlighting the salient points.Let us know when you find out what is being withheld . t does not sound like they are that interested in the life of the women
You may find this interesting as it explains Catholic policy on "Double Effect" when the procedure to save the mother will cause the death of the fetus... CHAPTER 51
The Concept of Double Effect.The Catholic Church and many other religions, both liberal and conservative, recognize the principle of the "double effect."
Simply stated, this means that any treatment administered to save a woman's life that also results in the death of a pre-born child is not a true abortion, since the primary purpose of the treatment was to save a life not take it. Even if the death of the baby is a foregone conclusion, such an action is not classifiable as an abortion.
Some of the treatments that may indirectly kill a pre-born child include certain cancer treatments; hysterectomy (removal) of a cancerous or severely traumatized uterus; and salpingectomy (the removal of a Fallopian tube).
Let me start by saying that this is not intended to bash Catholics or religious freedom. It is a much needed look at what happens when the concept of religious freedom is taken too far.
My feeling that if people believe that their religion prevents them from providing certain kinds of care, they simply should not be medical professionals and that goes for any religion, not just Catholics. This is what is happening and, not surprisingly, the Trump Administration is working to make the problem worse
Here's What Happens When A Catholic Hospital Won't Try To Save You | HuffPost
Selected excerpts
Here are some examples of the insanity that is taking place
Ascension, which operates more than 150 hospitals according to these same religious principles, also runs a hospital where doctors refused to perform a tubal ligation, even though the patient was at risk of dying if she ever became pregnant again. And at hospitals controlled by Trinity Health, a network that manages nearly 100 care centers around the Midwest, multiple women have accused doctors of withholding emergency medicine because it violated their prohibitions on certain kinds of reproductive health care.
Another example
There is much more but you get the idea. Religious hypocrisy concerning the sanctity of life, Medical professionals violating their vow to do no harm, and the Trump Administration enabling them for evangelical vote.
Would you prefer they not treat anyone?
There was a missionary that went to Jordan. They operated a low cost clinic that treated absolutely anyone. It was way out in the desert. The only thing you had to do, was at the start of every day, they opened with a prayer, and said they were helping people in the name of Jesus.
The authorities said they were not allowed to do that. So they packed up and left.
Who was harmed? The Christians? No. They simply went somewhere else and helped people.
Who was harmed? The people who no longer got treatment.
This is the same left-wing stupidity, that says tax and regulate the rich, until they leave the country. Tax and regulate Amazon until they leave Seattle.
They'll leave. So will the Christians. And you won't have jobs or health care.
Here in Ohio, we have 3 major hospital chains. Riverside Methodist, Doctor's Hospital, and OSU.
OSU is absolute garbage. Doctor's hospital, is not good, but better than OSU.
Riverside Methodist hospitals, are the best. You want good care, you go there.
Of course only Methodist, is a religiously backed hospital chain. You run them out, because they are Christian, and you are just going to be stuck with crappy care elsewhere.
You harm, yourself.
You have brought up the problem. There are many differences among the Christian groups. If I had a problem with being pregnant, I would trust a Methodist. I would trust an Episcopalian. I would trust a Quaker. And I would entrust my very life to a Jew. However, there are the Catholics and the Southern Baptists, who I would never, ever entrust with my body and my well-being.
I don't see any problem here.
The problem is when you have a government run health care system, and they choose which doctors you go to.
Perfect example is the VA. Notorious for having bad doctors.
USA TODAY Investigation: VA knowingly hires doctors with past malpractice claims, discipline for poor care
If you want better health care, reduce regulation, so there are more hospitals to choose from, instead of fewer.
You don't see a problem? When a person has a pressing health problem, they go to doctors or are taken to doctors, who supposedly are duty-bound to do what is medically best for them. When you are bleeding out and in pain, you put your faith into caregivers to stop it all. You don't have a choice. You trust them. And then, as the article points out, some people find themselves among people who call themselves doctors who refuse to do what is necessary for their patients' well-being. Just get all of this out in the open! Women are not science projects.
It's shocking but true that women who might have reproductive issues must make out an advance directive as to where they should be taken in the event of an emergency in order to avoid this threat. For issues not involving female reproduction, most hospitals are okay. For issues involving the female reproductive system, steer clear of hospitals run by Catholics.
can you cite a case----in the past 25 years, of a woman DYING because while in a catholic hospital---the docs REFUSED care that would have caused
the death of the fetus? Did such a thing really HAPPEN?. As to refusing to do a tubal ligation----
a tubal ligation is NOT AN EMERGENCY----such a patient can go DOWN THE BLOCK
Let me know when it's thrown out as frivolousSounds to me like you're trying to sell a narrative to yourself and the rest of us that you desperately want to believe , You might have missed the part about the lawsuit that was filed. There must be substance to the allegations....ya think?Let us know when you find out what is being withheld . t does not sound like they are that interested in the life of the women
The Catholic Church is a protector of life. Period. The moment you hear to the contrary should be the moment bells go of that something isn't being reported here. The mother's life is always protected, even if it means a spontaneous abortion is likely to occur. I'm guessing what happened is that the hospital said it could it was possible to save both, and the patient (or her family) was after forfeiting the life of the baby even though such a forfeiture wasn't necessary in order to save the mother. (Perhaps safer, but not absolutely necessary.)
Anyone that would pretend that a lawsuit being filed is evidence of substance,
knows that their case is weak.
Would you prefer they not treat anyone?
There was a missionary that went to Jordan. They operated a low cost clinic that treated absolutely anyone. It was way out in the desert. The only thing you had to do, was at the start of every day, they opened with a prayer, and said they were helping people in the name of Jesus.
The authorities said they were not allowed to do that. So they packed up and left.
Who was harmed? The Christians? No. They simply went somewhere else and helped people.
Who was harmed? The people who no longer got treatment.
This is the same left-wing stupidity, that says tax and regulate the rich, until they leave the country. Tax and regulate Amazon until they leave Seattle.
They'll leave. So will the Christians. And you won't have jobs or health care.
Here in Ohio, we have 3 major hospital chains. Riverside Methodist, Doctor's Hospital, and OSU.
OSU is absolute garbage. Doctor's hospital, is not good, but better than OSU.
Riverside Methodist hospitals, are the best. You want good care, you go there.
Of course only Methodist, is a religiously backed hospital chain. You run them out, because they are Christian, and you are just going to be stuck with crappy care elsewhere.
You harm, yourself.
You have brought up the problem. There are many differences among the Christian groups. If I had a problem with being pregnant, I would trust a Methodist. I would trust an Episcopalian. I would trust a Quaker. And I would entrust my very life to a Jew. However, there are the Catholics and the Southern Baptists, who I would never, ever entrust with my body and my well-being.
I don't see any problem here.
The problem is when you have a government run health care system, and they choose which doctors you go to.
Perfect example is the VA. Notorious for having bad doctors.
USA TODAY Investigation: VA knowingly hires doctors with past malpractice claims, discipline for poor care
If you want better health care, reduce regulation, so there are more hospitals to choose from, instead of fewer.
You don't see a problem? When a person has a pressing health problem, they go to doctors or are taken to doctors, who supposedly are duty-bound to do what is medically best for them. When you are bleeding out and in pain, you put your faith into caregivers to stop it all. You don't have a choice. You trust them. And then, as the article points out, some people find themselves among people who call themselves doctors who refuse to do what is necessary for their patients' well-being. Just get all of this out in the open! Women are not science projects.
It's shocking but true that women who might have reproductive issues must make out an advance directive as to where they should be taken in the event of an emergency in order to avoid this threat. For issues not involving female reproduction, most hospitals are okay. For issues involving the female reproductive system, steer clear of hospitals run by Catholics.
can you cite a case----in the past 25 years, of a woman DYING because while in a catholic hospital---the docs REFUSED care that would have caused
the death of the fetus? Did such a thing really HAPPEN?. As to refusing to do a tubal ligation----
a tubal ligation is NOT AN EMERGENCY----such a patient can go DOWN THE BLOCK
You're in deep denial! It took me 10 sec. to find this and I'm sure that there are others
Why I Refuse to Be Taken to a Catholic Hospital—And Why Other Women Should Too - Rewire.News
Refusal to Perform Abortions Allows Women to Die
In October 2012, severe back pain brought Savita Halappanavar to a Catholic hospital in Galway, Ireland. When it was revealed that her 17-week pregnancy was unsustainable, doctors ignored her pleas and refused to perform a life-saving abortion, citing Catholic doctrine. Savita died. Her death has implications for all women, knowingly pregnant or not, who enter a Catholic hospital anywhere in the world.
I am not going to get involved in anyone's medical problems. I am telling you what Catholic teaching is because what you have been presenting here is not Catholic teaching. Perhaps you have heard of those who try to set up and entrap the Church into being forced to perform abortions. They use the guidelines that were set up by pro-abortionists in the 1960s. "Start with 'Life of the Mother' and then expand." In fact, the medical field will tell you that it is rare for a woman to have a pregnancy that actually endangers her life. The ones that do, I have already covered (tubal litigation, cancer, etc.) If you read that article than you know the Church does not even consider these procedures to save the mother's life as abortion. Quite simple. If someone wants to end the life of an unborn child, do not expect the Church to help them do it.Sounds to me like you're trying to sell a narrative to yourself and the rest of us that you desperately want to believe , You might have missed the part about the lawsuit that was filed. There must be substance to the allegations....ya think?
I'm not going to wade through all of that to try to figure out what you're trying to covey. Try explaining it and highlighting the salient points.
You're just throwing a lot of dung at the wall to see what sticks. Still falling back on red herring and appeals to hypocrisy fallacies instead of deal with the issue. What the fuck does the VA and single payer insurance have to do with Catholic Hospitals. NOTHING.OK so...there appears to be some validity to it, and by the way CNN did report on problems at the VALet me start by saying that this is not intended to bash Catholics or religious freedom. It is a much needed look at what happens when the concept of religious freedom is taken too far.
My feeling that if people believe that their religion prevents them from providing certain kinds of care, they simply should not be medical professionals and that goes for any religion, not just Catholics. This is what is happening and, not surprisingly, the Trump Administration is working to make the problem worse
Here's What Happens When A Catholic Hospital Won't Try To Save You | HuffPost
Selected excerpts
Here are some examples of the insanity that is taking place
Ascension, which operates more than 150 hospitals according to these same religious principles, also runs a hospital where doctors refused to perform a tubal ligation, even though the patient was at risk of dying if she ever became pregnant again. And at hospitals controlled by Trinity Health, a network that manages nearly 100 care centers around the Midwest, multiple women have accused doctors of withholding emergency medicine because it violated their prohibitions on certain kinds of reproductive health care.
Another example
There is much more but you get the idea. Religious hypocrisy concerning the sanctity of life, Medical professionals violating their vow to do no harm, and the Trump Administration enabling them for evangelical vote.
Funny, you made no thread when the only single payer system in the US, which is for our Veterans, were putting people on secret death lists cuz they were too expensive to treat and did not have to care for them.
In fact, people like you champion such systems as what we need.
Very curious indeed.
I have no idea what the fuck your talking about but it sound like your watching to much Alex Jones
I forgot who I was talking to. I am talking to someone that only watches CNN and Trevor Noah.
Here ya go.
The doctor who launched the VA scandal
So as you see, the only single payer medical care is the VA system, and people like you want us to suffer like they are suffering.
A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list - CNN
The death lists that you refer to are in fact waiting lists and yes people died and I find that equally appalling, so if you think that you can make me out to be a hypocrite just because I didn't jump on it and post it, you are sadly mistaken.
This is just another example of you guys resorting to logical fallacies when you can't defend the indefensible.
1. It's a red herring intended to divert attention away from the actual issue
2. It is a tu quoque (To kwok we )(Latin for "you, too" or "you, also") or the appeal to hypocrisy, is a logical fallacy that attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with that position; it attempts to show that a criticism or objection applies equally to the person making it. This dismisses someone's point of view based on criticism of the person's inconsistency and not the position presented whereas a person's inconsistency should not discredit the position. Thus, it is a form of the ad hominem argument. To clarify, although the person being attacked might indeed be acting inconsistently or hypocritically, this does not invalidate their argument."
Now do you remember who you're talking to?
Ok, so you admit that I was right in that the only national single payer system that you want for us all had secret death lists on it.
It appears this is the first you have heard of this but you don't seem all that upset over it.
You do realize that if this is how the government treats our veterans, we don't stand a chance in hell.
But hey, it's all about agendas in the government taking over everything, which is what you are all about.
Now back to the thread bashing hospitals because they are religious in nature and don't agree with murdering the unborn.
Thank you for that well formulated and fully researched response to an important distinction. As always you strive to raise the level of intellectual discourse and show true compassion.Bullshit, referring elsewhere and refusing emergency services that they are medically capable of providing are two entirely different things. There is something seriously wrong with you if you cant see that. More likely you are full of shit and know it.It's not, and hospitals - religious or not - refer patients to other hospitals for specific services they are unable to provide as a matter of course, every day.
Once again you expose yourself as an asswipe leftwinger.
You know everything.
Go fuck yourself.
